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	I've split it off again into ]. Even though it's a stub, it's confusing to have the language as a subsection of the script, especially as it's not the only language to use the script. The script exists outside of the language and the language outside of the script. Hopefully both articles will be expanded in future. —] 08:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)		I've split it off again into ]. Even though it's a stub, it's confusing to have the language as a subsection of the script, especially as it's not the only language to use the script. The script exists outside of the language and the language outside of the script. Hopefully both articles will be expanded in future. —] 08:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
			:I enhanced the page about the langauge a bit after reading a few relevant academic articles.
			:However, I've only done it since it already exists. I don't have a strong opinion on whether it should be a separate article or not. Perhaps it's better to merge them again because the script and the language are indeed related more strongly than it usually happens with other languages. Evertype knows far more about it than I do, and I trust his judgment. --] (]) 17:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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Split or merge

To Michael Everson aka Evertype

This isn't news to anyone. -- Evertype·✆ 17:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

If my mother would read the text, I guarantee it would be. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

WP has articles on languages and articles on writing systems. N'Ko alphabet is the article for the writing system. Writing systems and languages are distinct. Compare Latin and Latin alphabet. Stop merging and stop making wrong links in related WP articles. , Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr Conradi, I have asked you repeatedly not to vandalize the article. You split a short article into two articles without comment. I protested that this is the wrong thing to do for a short article like this. I protested on the Talk Page and requested that you obtain the consensus of other editors before making the split. You have repeatedly ignored this. I do not think you have any particular expertise in N'Ko. I do. Your analogy with Latin and Latin alphabet is false. Both of those articles are long and it would be confusing to users if they were merged. You tell me to stop merging but it is you who started this war, by your unwelcome and unnecessary splitting. -- Evertype·✆ 17:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not think you have any particular expertise in N'Ko. - which does not stop me from knowing that alphabets and languages are two things. And that in WP we have allways (?) articles for scripts and for a languages. But we tend not to have articles like you suggest N'Ko (script and language). I simply edited in that direction. That you perceive this as starting a war may be true, but has nothing to do with my edit intentions. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There are many short articles which deal with both language and script. There was no reason to split N'Ko into two articles. You did not ask anyone. When it was disputed (which it is), you simply charged ahead and started trying to show what a jerk I was for disagreeing with you. This is not pleasant. I have had no option but to put this up for AfD. I look forward to improving a single N'Ko article, and do not understand why you should find that objectionable. The split, however, makes it more difficult to deal with N'Ko in a reasonable manner. -- Evertype·✆ 18:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I look forward to see more language related stuff at all. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Evertype :)

I was looking for info on N'Ko and I was surprised to see that this is one article.

So I want to carefully revive the twelve-years old discussion about splitting. It kind of makes sense to me to have separate articles about the language and the script, but maybe I am missing something.

Other than the current article length, is there a reason to have both topics in one article here? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

The information on the N'Ko literary language would be a stub. I don't have the energy for this battle one way or another. In fact my participation on the Misplaced Pages has waned hugely because of the bias towards deletionism on the one hand and anti-expertism on the other. -- Evertype·✆ 22:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I've split it off again into N'Ko language. Even though it's a stub, it's confusing to have the language as a subsection of the script, especially as it's not the only language to use the script. The script exists outside of the language and the language outside of the script. Hopefully both articles will be expanded in future. —Pengo 08:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I enhanced the page about the langauge a bit after reading a few relevant academic articles.

However, I've only done it since it already exists. I don't have a strong opinion on whether it should be a separate article or not. Perhaps it's better to merge them again because the script and the language are indeed related more strongly than it usually happens with other languages. Evertype knows far more about it than I do, and I trust his judgment. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing

This reference states that Kante had, before creating N'Ko, tried writing the language in the Arabic and Latin scripts, but found them inadequate. "Unfortunately none of those systems could satisfactorily capture the intricacies and the phonetics of Manden language."

Thinking about it, the Latin alphabet doesn't exactly capture the intricacies and the phonetics of English, but we still use it nonetheless. But it does suggest that Kante wanted something strictly phonetic, and didn't like the idea of adding diacritics to an existing script.

But then again, none of the specific information here reveals anything that isn't straightforward to write in almost any alphabet. Though it does state in the intro that it "obligatorily marks both tone and vowels". So why is there no information here on how it marks tone? (Even the Bambara version seems to be devoid of this information.)

Anyway, after some searching I finally found this. I'll see if I can incorporate the info into the article when I've a bit more time.... — Smjg (talk) 21:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Tones

How are tones written? -- Beland (talk) 06:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Apparently w apostrophes, prob'ly taken from roman. Maybe they weren't written originally? — kwami (talk) 05:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Did "Rodney Salnave" confirm a writing sample as being an example of N'Ko?

A source (in French) has been cited as telling about an imported slave who wrote with characters that have been confirmed as N'Ko by "Rodney Salnave". I found the French source telling about how Tamerlan wrote something in a script he knew from Africa. That is clear. But where is any documentation about "Rodney Salnave" confirming this? Did Salnave actually have the original sample written by Tamerlan? I am dubious. Does anybody have any data on this "Rodney Salnave", the "Haitian researcher"? Pete unseth (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Rodney Salnave is this guy who runs a blog on how the Haitian revolution was not Islamic. Regardless of how good you think his arguments are I think, for wikipedia, we need a better source for a claim like this, so I've removed it until a better source is found. (Personally I'm not even convinced that the original account about Tamerlan writing is accurate. It reads rather like a novel, and it's a bit too convenient, though I think Salnave is right about the revolution not being particularly Islamic at all).115.188.172.237 (talk) 02:43, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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