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New sub-article

This article is being introduced as a sub-article to "The Exodus", mostly containing materials which have been rejected as undue weight for inclusion in that main article. At this time, the references are a mix of harv-style and inline style. This will need to be fixed, but I'm waiting to see if the article survives any delete or merge discussions. JerryRussell (talk) 18:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, for what it's worth, I think something like this article should exist as an article itself. The discussion of how The Exodus does or does not mesh onto history is part of an extremely well-documented and long-lasting conversation that strikes me as very notable. Of course, an article like this could easily attract its own issues, but that's just the price Misplaced Pages has to pay for not sticking only to non-controversial topics. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets moved to another title, though. Alephb (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I wanted to avoid the title 'Historicity of the Exodus' because that would risk putting the entire article squarely in the "fringe" category. Whereas, the idea that there is some sort of oral cultural memory, or even some long-lost written antecedents, seems to be less academically disreputable. I think the sources I've recommended are reputable academics, even if not as timely or well qualified as one ideally might like. I would prefer to lose some content as undue or fringe, rather than getting the entire article isolated by WP:ONEWAY. JerryRussell (talk) 21:16, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Sources of article text

Parts of this article have been copied, at one time or another, from Misplaced Pages articles Akhenaten, Hyksos and Osarseph. Also, some of it was presented on The Exodus article and talk page by IP editor 76.11.94.233, who also introduced it at RationalWiki. And I'm about to include some content from Minoan eruption momentarily. JerryRussell (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Rosenberg comparison between Exodus & Amarna period

I am not sure about Rosenberg's qualifications, or why he is publishing in the popular press instead of in journal articles. Similar speculations are found in popular books by Ahmed Osman and Ralph Ellis. The facts seem mostly if not entirely verifiable from academic sources. Does anyone know of any academic RS that address this in a serious fashion, or debunk it? JerryRussell (talk) 21:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

In the Jerusalem Post article, Rosenberg says he's a fellow at Albright Institute. This seems to have been true in 2014, see:

http://www.aiar.org/fellows-and-their-projects-class-of-2014-2015/

JerryRussell (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

The Albright Institute is one of three branches that make up ASOR, which publishes the well-known archaeological peer-reviewed journal BASOR. At least in terms of employment, there's nothing that smells fishy here. Alephb (talk) 01:32, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Rename

Should we rename this article Sources and parallels of the Exodus narrative?Editor2020 (talk) 23:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

This is an interesting question to me and I'm ambivalent, as we could assume that it's about the book. On the other hand, since the scholarly consensus is that it was not an actual event, it may be justified to use "book of Exodus" or "Exodus narrative", "Exodus founding myth", etc... Another previous argument I remember about this article is that it may exist to promote the idea that it occurred by presenting speculative evidence (I'm not saying that's the impression I get when reading it, and understand that it could contain material inspired from historic events)... —PaleoNeonate – 03:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Real events don't have sources and parallels ("Sources and parallels of William the Conqueror's invasion of England"? "Sources and parallels of the assassination of JFK"?). PiCo (talk) 07:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Haha, that's... well said. —PaleoNeonate – 07:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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