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| Katz is quoted in scholary journals : Journal of Palestine Studies, Indiana University Press, Jewish History... | Katz is quoted in scholary journals : Journal of Palestine Studies, Indiana University Press, Jewish History... | ||
| Regardless of ''all'' this, we have explained already that Katz is used as a secondary source. Nobody ever questioned his myriad of references which he collected. In fact, the same primary sources are used in a myriad of other books and web-site you can see that easily. Ian and his friend have also admitted and argued that Katz based references on the scholar Schectman. Now this scholar is quoted by another person extensively used by Ian Pitchford in the article called Gelber, so what possibly could be the problem here ? In addition, it's difficult to ] since Ian Pitchford has removed whole chunks of material that weren't quoted to Katz at all and also contemporary quotes regarding Hezbollah and a whole lot of different things - see here Mind you, he provided no edit summary for these mass removals unwarranted of materials and he used popups in order to do it. Seems clear sources should be restored in their full as we don't want to represent only one ] in the article which if you see is surprisngly or not the consequence of this removal..... ] 09:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | Regardless of ''all'' this, we have explained already that Katz is used as a secondary source. Nobody ever questioned his myriad of references which he collected. In fact, the same primary sources are used in a myriad of other books and web-site you can see that easily. Ian and his friend have also admitted and argued that Katz based references on the scholar Schectman. Now this scholar is quoted by another person extensively used by Ian Pitchford in the article called Gelber, so what possibly could be the problem here ? In addition, it's difficult to ] since Ian Pitchford has removed whole chunks of material that weren't quoted to Katz at all and also contemporary quotes regarding Hezbollah and a whole lot of different things - see here Mind you, he provided no edit summary for these mass removals unwarranted of materials and he used popups in order to do it. Seems clear sources should be restored in their full as we don't want to represent only one ] in the article which if you see is surprisngly or not the consequence of this removal..... ] 09:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
| '''Comment''': Katz has compiled much reliable information, Amoruso's words are correct. It is not Ian Pitchford's job to call him a "propagandist" and just delete it. Also, Ian Pitchford and others have deleted much information that is verifiable. This is information that has nothing to do with Katz. It came from reliable peer-reviewed sources and was removed by him for no reason. None even mentioned on the talk page. This violates Misplaced Pages's rules in terms of vandalism. --] 18:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Much of the material being added to this page is inconsistent with the scholarly consensus on the causes of the Palestinian exodus and is sourced to a book by a Revisionist politician Shmuel Katz who was involved in the exodus as an Irgun propagandist and member of the high command. I believe that the use of this material is a clear violation of WP:V and brings Misplaced Pages into serious disrepute.
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Comment: Shmuel Katz is a notable writer who has written an extensively quoted peer-reviewed book about the conflict. You can see the number of uses here and mentions in google scholar here You can see an editorial review of Katz here . user:Avraham has already explained to user:Ian_Pitchford that it's all right to quote Katz regardless of this here Katz is quoted in scholary journals The Johns Hopkins University Press...: Journal of Palestine Studies, Indiana University Press, Jewish History... Regardless of all this, we have explained already that Katz is used as a secondary source. Nobody ever questioned his myriad of references which he collected. In fact, the same primary sources are used in a myriad of other books and web-site you can see that easily. Ian and his friend have also admitted and argued that Katz based references on the scholar Schectman. Now this scholar is quoted by another person extensively used by Ian Pitchford in the article called Gelber, so what possibly could be the problem here ? In addition, it's difficult to WP:AGF since Ian Pitchford has removed whole chunks of material that weren't quoted to Katz at all and also contemporary quotes regarding Hezbollah and a whole lot of different things - see here Mind you, he provided no edit summary for these mass removals unwarranted of materials and he used popups in order to do it. Seems clear sources should be restored in their full as we don't want to represent only one WP:POV in the article which if you see is surprisngly or not the consequence of this removal..... Amoruso 09:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Katz has compiled much reliable information, Amoruso's words are correct. It is not Ian Pitchford's job to call him a "propagandist" and just delete it. Also, Ian Pitchford and others have deleted much information that is verifiable. This is information that has nothing to do with Katz. It came from reliable peer-reviewed sources and was removed by him for no reason. None even mentioned on the talk page. This violates Misplaced Pages's rules in terms of vandalism. --Shamir1 18:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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