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Does such overarchivisation make the discussion more readable?] (]) 08:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC) Does such overarchivisation make the discussion more readable?] (]) 08:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
:Engelking is apparently disliked by various individuals or groups, and the talk page seems to constantly fill with comments that are, or could be considered, ] violations. It's therefore best to archive quickly, to avoid these issues. Also, please note it is not "threads older than 1 week", but actually "threads that have no response in over 1 week" that may be archived. No active or on-going discussion will be automatically archived. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC) :Engelking is apparently disliked by various individuals or groups, and the talk page seems to constantly fill with comments that are, or could be considered, ] violations. It's therefore best to archive quickly, to avoid these issues. Also, please note it is not "threads older than 1 week", but actually "threads that have no response in over 1 week" that may be archived. No active or on-going discussion will be automatically archived. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
:May I ask what is your source of knowledge of the subject? Do you read Polish? ::May I ask what is your source of knowledge of the subject? Do you read Polish?
:JT Gross and the Center led by BE are not historians, they reeducate Polish people. They aren't interested in facts, they accept contradictory sources. ::JT Gross and the Center led by BE are not historians, they reeducate Polish people. They aren't interested in facts, they accept contradictory sources.
:Professor ] in his recent book describes BE as a psychologist (it's her MA subject, I would rather call her a sociologist). Musiał quotes also BE's statement, that she has psychological problem with the Holocaust. I respect openess of BE and her humanity, but there is a problem if she is neutral. A number of her media statements suggest she isn't. Musiał claims also that Center's researchers don't read German, so they use almost exlusively Polish language sources. Another question - do they read Yddish? ::Professor ] in his recent book describes BE as a psychologist (it's her MA subject, I would rather call her a sociologist). Musiał quotes also BE's statement, that she has psychological problem with the Holocaust. I respect openess of BE and her humanity, but there is a problem if she is neutral. A number of her media statements suggest she isn't. Musiał claims also that Center's researchers don't read German, so they use almost exlusively Polish language sources. Another question - do they read Yddish?
:Dr Domański believes that BE and her team don't review their books by independent researchers. I don't know if the opinion has been rejected by the Center. ::Dr Domański believes that BE and her team don't review their books by independent researchers. I don't know if the opinion has been rejected by the Center.
:WWII survivor sues BE and Grabowski. JT Gross also has refused to correct his errors, so one had to sue him. Is it ''academic'' to use force to correct any error? :WWII survivor sues BE and Grabowski. JT Gross also has refused to correct his errors, so one had to sue him. Is it ''academic'' to use force to correct any error?
:Domański and Gontarczyk have critiized the 2018 book and they write their books criticizing "Dalej jest noc". Let's wait. ::Domański and Gontarczyk have critiized the 2018 book and they write their books criticizing "Dalej jest noc". Let's wait.
:So it's not ''like or dislike'' only. A Holocaust historian should read German and Yiddish and to evaluate his/her sources critically. ::So it's not ''like or dislike'' only. A Holocaust historian should read German and Yiddish and to evaluate his/her sources critically.
] (]) 12:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC) ] (]) 12:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
:I have checked and my answers are available in the archive and the discussion was already broken by the former archiving. So we are in the same place since May. Maybe your ''Misplaced Pages policy'' of ignoring archived threads and archiving after one week (especially during Summer holidays) isn't correct. ::I have checked and my answers are available in the archive and the discussion was already broken by the former archiving. So we are in the same place since May. Maybe your ''Misplaced Pages policy'' of ignoring archived threads and archiving after one week (especially during Summer holidays) isn't correct.
:This Misplaced Pages has to accept classical logic. If it doesn't I'm in a wrong place.] (]) 12:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC) ::This Misplaced Pages has to accept classical logic. If it doesn't I'm in a wrong place.] (]) 12:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Please review ] and ]; the comments about individuals above are one of the reasons this talk page must be archived so frequently. ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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Does such overarchivisation make the discussion more readable?Xx236 (talk) 08:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Engelking is apparently disliked by various individuals or groups, and the talk page seems to constantly fill with comments that are, or could be considered, WP:BLP violations. It's therefore best to archive quickly, to avoid these issues. Also, please note it is not "threads older than 1 week", but actually "threads that have no response in over 1 week" that may be archived. No active or on-going discussion will be automatically archived. Jayjg 13:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
May I ask what is your source of knowledge of the subject? Do you read Polish?
JT Gross and the Center led by BE are not historians, they reeducate Polish people. They aren't interested in facts, they accept contradictory sources.
Professor Bogdan Musiał in his recent book describes BE as a psychologist (it's her MA subject, I would rather call her a sociologist). Musiał quotes also BE's statement, that she has psychological problem with the Holocaust. I respect openess of BE and her humanity, but there is a problem if she is neutral. A number of her media statements suggest she isn't. Musiał claims also that Center's researchers don't read German, so they use almost exlusively Polish language sources. Another question - do they read Yddish?
Dr Domański believes that BE and her team don't review their books by independent researchers. I don't know if the opinion has been rejected by the Center.
WWII survivor sues BE and Grabowski. JT Gross also has refused to correct his errors, so one had to sue him. Is it academic to use force to correct any error?
Domański and Gontarczyk have critiized the 2018 book and they write their books criticizing "Dalej jest noc". Let's wait.
So it's not like or dislike only. A Holocaust historian should read German and Yiddish and to evaluate his/her sources critically.

Xx236 (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I have checked and my answers are available in the archive and the discussion was already broken by the former archiving. So we are in the same place since May. Maybe your Misplaced Pages policy of ignoring archived threads and archiving after one week (especially during Summer holidays) isn't correct.
This Misplaced Pages has to accept classical logic. If it doesn't I'm in a wrong place.Xx236 (talk) 12:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Please review WP:NOTAFORUM and WP:BLP; the comments about individuals above are one of the reasons this talk page must be archived so frequently. Jayjg 13:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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