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	:Comments on talk pages should always be left at the bottom (in fact, that's how the little plus sign at the top next to "edit this page" works). Where exactly are you seeing new comments on top? <font color="#08457E" vlink="#08457E"><b>]</b></font><sub><font color="black">]</font></sub> 20:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)		:Comments on talk pages should always be left at the bottom (in fact, that's how the little plus sign at the top next to "edit this page" works). Where exactly are you seeing new comments on top? <font color="#08457E" vlink="#08457E"><b>]</b></font><sub><font color="black">]</font></sub> 20:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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	== Federal Authorities are now blocking any IP discussing their disruption of Misplaced Pages ==

	The vilage pump had some ] of US Federal Authorities using disruptive tactics on Wikipediia to ensure key articles follow the party line of the Bush Whitehoue. Some of these Federeal authorities (e.g., ]), who have raised themselves up to administrator status on Wikipeedia are now blocking IP addresses and even a ] account simply for discussing these issues. No doubt this IP address will be blocked now too, simply for raising this issue.. What are they going to do, block evvery IP address in the wolrd. Please spread the word.. Don't be afraid of them. They'have no real authority, only what authority they can manipulate on Misplaced Pages. --] 20:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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November 26

How to find a previous question

Earlier today there was a question at the Reference Desk about acne. I've tried to find it again now, but I don't see it anywhere. History doesn't let me go back far enough to see if it was deleted. I believe it was originally in Miscellaneous. Could it have been moved to another section (Science)? I don't see it...I'll watch this page.

Today's Featured Picture

Is today's featured picture for real? It looks pixelated, colour adjusted, and the mountains look like they were sprayed on with MSPaint. Anchoress 02:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you looking at the same picture I am? There's some minor artifacts around the clouds but that's it.. - Mgm| 11:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Questionable image copyright status

I've found an image where the uploader claims they scanned the photo and uploaded it under Creative Commons. As I understand it, copyright is still retained by whoever published the original photograph the uploader scanned. Source and license tags are present, but likely invalid. How should I tag this? --Dgies 04:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:PUI would be the best place to raise the issue. Essjay (Talk) 05:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Page Creation

How do I create a page?

Please see WP:VFAQ. --Wo o ty Woot? contribs 07:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The names of articles

Why are the names of articles in capital letters not small letters? The names of pages in Wikitionary is not capitalized. Thank you.

--196.202.91.146 10:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This feature, which is turned on in Wiktionary is turned off in Misplaced Pages. I have no clue why, but I'd prefer not to have to move over 1.5 million articles and fix the resulting redirects, do you? - Mgm| 11:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Downloading the database of Misplaced Pages

I want to download the database of Misplaced Pages. I know that the German Misplaced Pages has released a DVD but the English one hasn't. I also know about the 2006 SOS Children Misplaced Pages CD but it only contains 2011 articles. During my search, I have found this page but the files have a strange extension. Will these files work on my computer if I downloaded them? I use Windows XP. Thank you very much.

The files you found are the only downloads available. To use them, you will need to either import them into a local installation of MySQL or create a program to parse the XML files. In short, they aren't for the average consumer user, unfortunately. Cheers, Tangot a ngo 11:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am really not sure you want that, I severely doubt you will be able to accomodate the file when is is decompressed. As to the extension, I can't help. Viridae 11:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The gz extension is gzip, a common unix/linux compression algorithm. You can decode it on Win machines using free utilities like 7-zip or ZipGenius. The others are 7z = 7-zip and bz2 = bzip2; use the same utilities as above or see Comparison of file archivers. --Justanother 16:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Uploading Files

I tried to upload a file of Lewis Hamilton on the day he was announced as McLaren F1 driver. However after I clicked upload file, the following appeared: "." is not an accepted image file format. What does this mean and how can you help? Can you leave a message on my discussion page naming it upload info. Many thanks. Davnel03 11:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Images

It is said on the upload image page that images cannot be renamed. However, I think that this is not correct because any administrator can download any file to his computer, delete the file from Misplaced Pages and then reupload it to Misplaced Pages using a different name. Here we ignore the fact that the history of the file will be destroyed. Am I correct?

Images can't be renamed, what you just described is the workaround for "renaming" an image since you can't actually change the name in the software. — Dark Shikari /_contribs 15:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it does not take an admin. Anyone can perform the workaround and I recently did it with a misnamed image after first discussing it with the image owner. Since he gave his blessing I reloaded it, and then asked for WP:SPEEDY on the original. --Justanother 16:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

What happens if an admin goes rogue and starts deleting random aricles?

--71.172.28.136 15:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Likely they'll be blocked for a bit, and their rights removed. --Majorly (Talk) 15:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Their admin rights will likely be removed in a matter of minutes by one of the m:Stewards or a developer. All admin actions are reversible and are unlikely to cause long-term damage. - Tangot a ngo 16:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Technically, it's the Arbitration Committee that has the power to de-sysop (the Stewards only flip the switch after the ArbCom has ruled). Deleted articles are still in the database, so another admin would bring back any articles that were deleted improperly. Newyorkbrad 16:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we'd need an arbcom ruling if there was a general concensus amongst users and other admins that the admin turned rogue. But yeah, that's pretty much it. -- Mgm| 16:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The ArbCom would have to act before the Stewards would desysop (other than perhaps on an interim emergency basis). On the other hand, there is precedent that this could be done by informal conferring among the ArbCom members rather than carry out a whole formal case. Newyorkbrad 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

All admin actions are reversible: weeeeell, yes, but undoing a history merge of two articles with long histories is a horrible job, so if a very naughty admin wrote a malicious history-merge bot and history-merged lots of long-historied articles, that would be an asymetrically tough job to fix. There comes the point where we'd just protect those articles and have a developer selectively restore the histories from the backup. Sooner or later we will have a genuinely rogue admin, and we really need some more sophisticated handling of admin-blocking - admins shouldn't be able to unblock themselves, and one admin should be able to block another admin only once per day (the former to avoid the rogue admin writing a fast-unblock-me bot, the latter to avoid the rogue admin writing a mass-block-other-admins-bot). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that we have a thousand or so admins and very little history of any of them going rogue (we've had the odd wheel war, and we've had admins make errors in judgement, but I don't recall any cases where an admin has set out to maliciously damage the encyclopedia) suggests that developing advanced tools to deal with a genuine rogue might not be worth the effort, compared to the work involved in cleaning up afterwards if and when it occurs in the future.

By the way, could you try not to stuff quite so many WP:BEANS up your nose when you pose these sorts of questions? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There is one recent situation I know of like that in another project, but none on the English Misplaced Pages. I agree that the very occasional involuntary desysoppings here have involved poor judgment but not, as far as I know, allegations of intentional malice. (This isn't a good forum to try to classify any particular cases, of course.) Newyorkbrad 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Template for "very few incoming links"

I'd like to add a template for "very few incoming links" to the article Tchekrekjian, but I've forgotten what it is. Can anyone help me out? Many thanks. --HappyCamper 16:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:Linkless or Misplaced Pages:Orphan --Justanother 16:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Template parameter defaults

Suppose I create a template foo:

<green>{{{1|bar}}} '{{{2|baz}}}'''</green>

Now I call it with

{{foo}}.

I'll get bar baz, as expected. And if I do

{{foo|tball}},

I'll get tball baz, also as expected. Finally, if I do

{{foo|dfi|ght}},

I'll get dfi ght. But if I do

{{foo||lish}},

I'll get lish, which is not what I want. The presence of the third argument causes the second one to be implied, even though I want it to be defaulted. Is there any way around this without using named parameters?

By the way, the template where this problem came up is {{npler}}. -- Matchups 16:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe {{foo|2=lish}} does what you want. See m:Help:Template. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that works. Matchups 18:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Items mysteriously appearing on my watchlist

Hi. Why do items do that? Right now I have Baibars and Roger Needham on my watchlist and I did not add them. Not the first time this has happened, either. No-one else has access to my computer or to my wikipedia account. Could it have to do with page-move vandalism? Or is there another explanation? Thanks --Justanother 16:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If someone moves a page, the location it is moved to stays on your watchlist even after it is moved back. — Dark Shikari /_contribs 17:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks --Justanother 02:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hi can anyone help. i need to use some information i found and put it into my essay but there seems to be no name of the editor, no year it was written, etc. I really need that information for my reference, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.36.65 (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort, so there is no "one editor" of an article. A popular article may have been edited by hundreds of different editors. Also, articles change all the time, and therefore there isn't a particular date on which the article was written - today's version may be different from tomorrow! :) If you'd like to link to a particular version of the article, look on the bottom right - there's a link called Permanent Link. If you use that link, it will link to that version of the article, and it won't display any subsequent edits. I hoped this helped! –- kungming·2 17:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Use of images used in other Wikipedias

I would like to use in the article Republican, Radical and Radical-Socialist Party an image I found in fr:Parti radical valoisien. How? --Checco 17:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Can anyobody help me? --Checco 17:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- First, upload the image to Commons. Then, replace the image in the old article with the one on Commons and nominate the old version to be speedy deleted. Then, use the commons version in the English Misplaced Pages. — Dark Shikari /_contribs 18:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  - I don't understand what I have to write about: 1) "Source filename"; 2) "Destination filename"; 3) "Summary (author, source, URL, fair use rationale if applicable, extra {{tags}}, etc.)"; 4) "Licensing". I have tried to upload the image, but every time they said me that there was something missing. --Checco 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
    - Follow the instructions on Misplaced Pages:Moving images to the Commons. Most important thing is probably to use the Commons Helper, which will copy all the license/author/source/etc. information for you. If something is missing on the original image though, that could cause problems. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Reference Desk search

The Reference Desks do not appear in the search area options in the selection bar displayed after an unsuccessful keyword search. How do I do a keyword search on the Refeence Desk questions and answers??? Adaptron 18:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

They don't appear in the search area options because they're all part of the Misplaced Pages: namespace. I'd suggest that you either select that, and possibly include "reference desk" as part of your search, or else go to google and search for site:en.wikipedia.org "wikipedia:reference desk" + your keywords. Try both, because they might give slightly (or maybe drastically) different results. Confusing Manifestation 03:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages

How do you pronounce "wikipedia"?

I pronounce it "Wee-kee-pee-deeya". Not sure how other Wikipedians pronounce it, though. =) –- kungming·2 19:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly. Though I've heard "Wik-uh-pee-deeya" somewhere. <--Sounds pretty weird! K yo cat 19:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I've heard "wick-kuh-pee-dia" as well from others. I like "wic-kee" better - however the original Hawaiian word sounded like. –- kungming·2 21:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Something like <wick-ee-pee-dee-ah> (according to Wiki, wee-kee should work as well, though I haven't heard that one very often). See wiktionary:Misplaced Pages, and try the two audio pronunciations there (they look like little speakers) to hear someone else pronounce them. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 19:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I've always said <wick-uh-PEE-dee-uh> and didn't know there was any question. That's also Weird Al's pronunciation in White & Nerdy, so I think that makes it the canonical pronunciation, right? Newyorkbrad 21:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's where I heard it too. K yo cat 23:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

My goodness - the amount of times the Atlantic Records page has been vandalized because of that music video... :'( "Weird Al" pronounces it quite good, I suppose, but I think it doesn't matter ultimately how we pronounce it, as long as we contribute well! =) –- kungming·2 21:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I usually say both...depending on my mood! I have always thought it was Wee-Kuh-Pee-dia, but everyone else I know says Wi-Key-Pedia. I guess it is personal preference,__Seadog 21:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

As a note, the original Hawaiian for "wiki" would be somewhere just in between "wee-kee" and "wick-ih" - vowels are basically like italian/latin but open-er, so it's very hard to say which is more appropriate. Then again, my Hawaiian is pretty bad, now, so I'm not at all the end all. I pronounce it "wick-eh-pee-dee-uh"...ish. —K e akealani 23:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You could track down a soundfile of Jimmy Wales speaking at Wikimania 2006. If anyone knows how to pronounce it, it's him. - Mgm| 08:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Citing Refrences in a different way

I recently adopted another user, and he/she was wondering if rather than citing seven different books, they could put all of the statements from these books on a separate page and list that page as a source. I'm not sure that is possible, or allowed, but does anyone have any thoughts? -- T H L 19:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In my humble opinion, that'd probably be harder than just using the tags to cite the works involved. It's best to use the tags for that purpose, and not create a separate page. –- kungming·2 19:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The point of citing sources is to make tracing a fact to its source easier. If you want to source the facts in the entire article to a group of books, just put those sources in a separate "sources" section on the bottom, but never ever put them on a separate page. That page would get deleted. Personally, I would recommend them to cite possible dubious statements specifically with a source from the group with the ref-tags. - Mgm| 21:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking. Thanks everybody, -- T H L 13:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

citing an artical

how do i cite an artical found on your site? i could not find the posting date, editor, or author.

Well since wikipedia is a collaborative website your best option would be citing the enitire article.__Seadog 22:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

At the side of an article, in the toolbox, is a link saying "cite this article". Trebor 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
And there's also Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages. - Mgm| 08:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

US Authorities on Misplaced Pages?

I was wondering whether the US government is granted special permission to as editors and administrators on Misplaced Pages? I ask that because many of the articles associated with the September 11th attacks read like press releases from the Whitehouse instead of encyclopedia articles. Also reading through endless discussion pages reveals they look more like usenet newsgroup discussions than discussions about writing wikipedia articles. A core group of administrators and editors pretends to be ignorant of Misplaced Pages polices and uses they're administrative powers to be disruptive, and intimidate other editors and administrators. They seem to be immune from any disciplinary policies.

I thought about jumping into these discussion, but I do not want to get in any trouble with the authorities. From looking at the history any dispute reolution measures look futile. If these articles are only intended for US authorities to edit, why doesn't wikipedia simply place a notification on those articles to indicate such special treatment. I think we're losing good editors and admins who just don't know these articles are off limits. --68.30.94.147 22:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that a better place to discuss this would be the Admin's Noticeboard, the village pump, or even the mailing list. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 22:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, no special rights are given to the US authorities. The reason many articles tend to agree with the official line on things is that, well, the official line on things often tends to agree with reality... Shimgray | talk | 22:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, they are not given those. It would compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia, and its Neutral-Point-of-View Policy. If you think an article too strongly leans toward one direction, you can change the article (explain why in the edit summary), but better yet, bring it up on the talk page, and cite specific examples. -Patstuart 22:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Shimgray, you raise a good point. However, I didn't realize Misplaced Pages had an official line that tends to match reality. These are the sme type of bizzarre arguments I see these privileged aditors and administrators make.

Royalguarfd11 I will try to take this to the village pump. Thanks for the suggestion. --68.30.94.147 23:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages doesn't have any kind of an "official line" on topics - what I mean by this is that when our articles tend to agree with what the White House says, or what Number 10 says, this is because what those people are saying happens to be vaguely right, not because we're letting them control the articles. Much to my astonishment, it does sometimes happen that government spokespeople make statements that describe the real world... Shimgray | talk | 23:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That's true of every press release every issued. They always "make statements that describe the real world" Unfiltered press releases have no place on Misplaced Pages IMHO. --70.8.49.7 23:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

...I think you and I are completely talking at cross purposes here. Perhaps I ought to go back to the beginning -

Misplaced Pages does not give editorial control to government agencies.

Misplaced Pages does not give special rights to representatives of government agencies.

Misplaced Pages does not take its editorial line from government agencies.

Misplaced Pages does not place articles "off limits" on behalf of government agencies

Hope that clarifies things. Shimgray | talk | 00:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll butt in with a hypothetical question of my own here. What if a really high ranking official, say the President, demanded adminship on Misplaced Pages. Are you obligated to give it to him? Dooms Day349 00:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

...why on earth would we be obligated to give it to him? that's a bizzare concept. Shimgray | talk | 00:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Bizzare is personal preference. For example: Any online encyclopedia that anyone can edit is also a bizzare concept. ^_^ --Electric Eye (talk) 02:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Shimgray, I don't know how you or any editor could be so confident of what you're saying. I mean as a fairly new editor to Misplaced Pages I would say I would think Misplaced Pages doesn't grant special permission. However,

when you look at the articles I'm talking about;
when you follow through with the editors and administrators who maintain them; when you see the mocckery they make of other editors other administrators and Misplaced Pages policies;
when you see the selected topics of the articles they preside over;
when you see the contempt they hold for every other editor they encounter (remember these are mostly administrators); and
when you see how it seems to be a coordinated effort on 24-hour watch,

it really makes you wonder. I know I said I'd take this to the village pump and I will do that now and stop posting here. --70.8.49.7 00:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no cabal. --Wo o ty Woot? contribs 01:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no cabal may apply to USENET, but in actuality there are many cabals. To simply say there is no cabal is propaganda propably started by the cabals themselves. --Electric Eye (talk) 02:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's take this to the VP then (WP:VPM actually). The reason I posted that first was to prevent the help desk from turning into a discussion fourm. That is what VP/AN/The mailing list is for. The help desk is for help. As for the cabals, if anyone actually believes there is no cabal, then you need to look up. Most of the time it's called IRC. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 04:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Point taken, I've never been on IRC. I was just trying to address the anon's comment about the suspicions he has. Rest assured, there isn't a coordinated effort to influence articles to a pro-government POV, as far as I know. --Wo o ty Woot? contribs 05:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Birthdate lookup

Can you search birthdays of individuals? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.103.180.121 (talk • contribs) .

Not directly, but a google search of something like site:en.wikipedia.org "1879 births" "march 14, 1879" comes close. Also note that there's an article for every day of the year, like March 14, with a "births" section. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User subpages

How do I create user subpages? --Littleghostboo 01:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There are two ways. First, you can go to your userpage and add "/subpage", without quotes, to what appears in the address bar, click go, and create a subpage there. Second, you can just create a link from your userpage to User:Littleghostboo/subpage, click on the redlink, and then put whatever you want on that page. The second method has the benefit of giving you a link immediatly. In either case, you can title the page what you want, not just the rather bland "subpage". Let me know if you need further help.--Kchase T 01:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Littleghostboo 01:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

A page about you

Can I create a page about myself or someone I know?

Unless they are famous and/or notable, you shouldn't create an article about someone in the article namespace. However, you can create a page about yourself called User:(your username), since that is in the user namespace. —The Gr e at Llama 01:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes you can create one about you but It would have to be in the userspace so what you would do is Edit this link and what you edit will become your userpage.__Seadog 01:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If you think you really could write an article about someone you know in the main article space, check out WP:BIO and WP:COI first to get an idea of what you'll need to have in mind to avoid having the article deleted. Confusing Manifestation 03:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I can talk from personal experience about this one... A little tale for you. After lurking around the deletion process pages (AfD) for a while, I came to the conclusion that I was very nearly as notable as some people whose articles were kept, and more notable than several whose articles were deleted (trying to be as objective as I could about this). I decided that I'd write a practice article about myself in userspace, as much as anything as a test of my WP article writing skills (it's at User: Grutness/Grutness non-article). It was there for about a year until another Wikipedian noticed that my name was a red-link at about a dozen articles around wikipedia, and made an article on me, using the information from my "non-article". I was sort of pleased, but also embarrassed, and after a couple of weeks decided to take it to AfD myself to see what other Wikipedians thought (registering no vote either way personally). The article was deleted with a vote of 5-3, but the original article remains in userspace. I suppose the moral of that story is that things are a bit more lenient in userspace, and autobiographical articles are more likely to survive there than in article space (as long as they don't look like spam or an out-and-out CV). Grutness...wha? 12:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Gina Lash

In the show, Angela Anaconda, the faces of the characters are pictures of kids taken before they made the show. Anyway, the face of Gina Lash is Cloe Weir. She lives in Ontario and is an active participant in Woodstock Community Theatre. She's also The pictures taken for the show were taken when she was little. She is probably around 15 years old now. I don't know about any of the other characters on Angela Anaconda. Shouldn't there be any mention of those who posed for the characters of the Angela Anaconda show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spence28 (talk • contribs)

How do I add the guides?

How do I add the guides that you can click on to bring you to another place in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Prankie (talk • contribs) 13:58, 27 November 2006.

If you're talking about the table of contents, that should automatically appear in the article once you have at least three sections (make sure each section has a heading for this to work). If you want to just link to a section directly, make a wikilink like this: ]. Oh, and I did two things to your question: removed the leading space (the space creates a dotted box around it and removes all formatting, which is generally pretty ugly) and added a template where your signature should go. In the future, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks. Confusing Manifestation 03:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If there are not enough sections, you can manually force a table of contents by adding __TOC__ to the top of a page. --Electric Eye (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Changing my password

I've looked and looked but can not find a page where I can change my password.

I did find a FAQ that said "Enter your new password twice" but no link to the actual page where one would do this.

Why is it so hard to find (or search for) this basic information???

I'm also having 'cookie' problems and even though I've lowered my browser's security, I still keep getting logged out and can't see my user id page

04:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How do we change the password?

Via Special:Preferences. Luna Santin 04:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The OP is right; this wasn't anywhere in the on-wiki FAQ, according to Google. I've added the answer to the Technical FAQ, next to the FAQ about password reminders, so the answer can be found there now. --ais523 12:44, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

The Rolling Stones

I thought I was doing it right, fixing facts that were wrong. So how does one fix something? I couldn't figure out how to leave a message with gnewol or some name like that. It might be my computer too. The sandbox makes no sense to me.

MylesFOmaha 04:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sort of confused. Are you having trouble editing the page? Just click Edit This Page (like what you just did here). Are you trying to leave a message on someone's talk page? Could you elaborate further? --Wo o ty Woot? contribs 04:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If you're trying to leave a message, you can leave him a message on his talk page here. Just click on the "+" button on top, and leave your message. Remember to sign! =) –- kungming·2 04:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to explain what you are doing in your edit summary. For instance in [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_Rolling_Stones&diff=prev&oldid=90352569

], you appear to have corrected one spelling error while breaking two links. People may not read past breaking the links, since you didn't explain why you were doing this. You wrote "minor details edited", which in this case doesn't really explain. Why were you breaking the links? Was it to follow Misplaced Pages style guidelines - if so, just say so. Notinasnaid 10:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Are book covers in public domain?

If book cover images were in the public domain then they could be uploaded to wikipedia for articles. I would like to add an image of Charles Handy to his entry and I have several copies of his books one of which has a really great picture of him. Please let me know if this is considered a public domain image. Thanks. Wikikob 07:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Depends on when it was published. I believe newer books are classified as "fair-use" images. –- kungming·2 07:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No book covers are not in the public domain. They are made by illustrators with just as much right to copyright as the author of the book it is on. The same rules apply as for text. It has to be VERY old to be in the public domain. Images of book covers can be used under the clause of "fair use" in articles about the book, but nowhere else. - Mgm| 08:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If it's not too late for me to answer, I found a lot of images of him under http://images.google.com/images?q=charles%20handy. Some of these might be OK, as long as you make sure they fall under the fair-use guidelines. -Patstuart 09:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Born 1932, none of his book covers will be in the public domain, and in any case book covers typically use a copyright photo under license. Fair use criteria used for book covers do not apply to author's pictures taken from elsewhere on the cover, though a different fair use claim may be valid. Notinasnaid 10:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Problems viewing mathematical symbols...

Hi.

I'm not sure if you can help me with this... but as you have access to other people's pages, it is possible. I am talking about sites like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/Vector_space

Are you able to tell me want fonts the creator is using? because i cannot view most of the symbols, but instead get one of those default boxes where they should be. Are you able to tell me what to download/do in order to see them?

I know this is a slightly irrelevant question but it's quite important to me because i use wiki as a main resource for maths.

Thanks, Sam

(P.S. Sorry if this has been mailed to the wrong section)

Hi Steve. I can't answer your question, but you may be interested in a short note on the topic under Misplaced Pages:Technical FAQ. You can also try going to WP:VPT, where they're considerably more knowledgeable about such things. Good luck. -Patstuart 09:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems ok to me (Internet explorer 6). Which browser are you using? Special characters are sometimes not supported by older browsers — Lost 10:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof

I registered my name to use VandalProof on the Awaiting approval list but I haven't got a message on my talk page stating that I was accepted or declined. I downloaded the software but when I try to use it a message appears saying that my name is not on the user list. Can I know why no response was sent to me, please?

--Meno25 09:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You'll have to report that to VandalProof; the product has a way of acting up like this. Try User_talk:AmiDaniel/VP/Bugs. That's where I reported I got kicked off the list. :) Patstuart 09:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Approvals are handled manually. If you haven't gotten a message, that's probably because you haven't been approved yet because AmiDaniel hasn't got around to it. - Mgm| 11:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I have been approved to use VandalProof. Thank you very much.

--Meno25 01:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you see the list? It was huge. They're getting around to it... I'm not sure what to do except to look through the history and see who approved you and then contact them on their talk page. I've been approved but am away and haven't downloaded it or tried it out yet. Cbrown1023 01:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

math formula texts

the text for the math formulas are not appearing in their correct format. this happened so in the fourier section. i am presently using firefox as my internet browser. is there any changes that i need to make or is it a system problem???194.54.223.9 10:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

194.54.223.9 10:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

misspelled title

The page Tattoo machine is misspelled and I can't figure out how to fix it. It is a typo in just the title, but I'm still new enough to be totally confused. If anyone can either explain how-to, or just run and do it, I would appreciate it a great deal. There is a request in the talk page also, and apparently I'm not the only one there who's not sure how to do it. Thanks! Resonanteye 10:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to move the article to the new name. If your account is older than four days and if the move is uncontroversial then you can do it yourself. Just look for the move tab near the top of the page. Else you can request at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. — Lost 10:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Resonanteye 16:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I tried to move the page, but there was a redirect with the name Tattoo Machine. Me and another person tried to relocate the existing Tattoo Machine redirect by moving it, which simply made a double redirect. I'll put the existing Machine rd up for speedy, then move it in. --Wo o ty Woot? contribs 19:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is the misspelling and where do you want it moved to? (uh... dangling preposistion...) Cbrown1023 01:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I put it up in the "ask admin for help" page, hope they get to it. It is spelled "tattoo machoine" haha and someone other than me built an empty page on tattoo machine... Resonanteye 02:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC) thanks so much! haha misspellings in my request for help, even.Resonanteye 09:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Images not appearing at certain dimensions

I uploaded Image:Meishi-example.svg recently, but all I can see there is a blank space. The image has definitely been uploaded, since it appears correctly in the Meishi article. In fact, it seems that the image only fails to display properly at the uploaded dimensions of 552x360 pixels. At any other size, it looks fine. For example, compare this (552x360 pixels) with this (550x359 pixels.

The same thing is happening with another image I uploaded some time ago:

(Image:Kimigayo.score.png, 149px wide)
(Image:Kimigayo.score.png, 150px wide)
(Image:Kimigayo.score.png, 151px wide)

Has anyone else come across this problem? What can I do to fix it? -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 10:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Though I have no solution to it (other than the obvious one of changing the size), I did run into this problem just a few minutes ago: I inserted an image at 20px and it didn't show up, but changing it to 30px fixed it straight away. Something for Village Pump technical, perhaps? Essjay (Talk) 12:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's probably worth bringing up at WP:VPT... again. This question's been asked quite a few times, and I can't remember anyone coming up with an answer that explains what's happening (although the resize-one-pixel workaround is known); there was a post on wikitech-l that suggests it might be something to do with error messages being cached, but I'm not sure. --ais523 13:25, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

Great, thanks. Apparently purging the server cache fixes this problem. The 550x359 image has stopped working now for some reason, but the 552x360 image in the description page looks OK, so I think it's safe to ignore the problem for the time being. -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 15:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages software conventions

My wife wants to make a personal website using the Misplaced Pages formatting conventions, which she's used to. Can that be done? JohnClarknew 10:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

She could start a website that runs the MediaWiki software. Currently, there's easy WYSIWYG editors out there to edit a website, so I doubt she actually needs to use any formatting syntax at all. - Mgm| 11:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Mispelled name problem

There is an extensive article on Luc Bondy, the theatre director. It does not have the theatre director category. There is, however, a theatre director listed as Luke Bondy, with a very short stub. This is the wrong spelling, but the same person. I tried changing the spelling within that article, but the name is the same. I don't want to replace the original correct article.

The original article should be added to the theatre director category, and the wrong-name stub deleted.

Since someone misspelled it, chances are someone else will do it too. I'll redirect the wrong article to the right one and add the category. - Mgm| 11:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. - Mgm| 11:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Just Asking This Again Cause This Was Archived100110100 12:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

In The Below Table

Group	Western European	North/East European	East Asian	Middle Eastern
Civilizations	Britons Celts Franks	Goths Teutons Vikings	Chinese Japanese Mongols	Byzantines Persians Saracens Turks

For the above table, I want to make cell lines that divide the 1st 3 groups from the left in 3rds EQUALLY. Then I want to divide the last group from the left in fourths EQUALLY. Is this possible? Thanks.100110100 04:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you're exactly asking, but I think you can try to create a table within a table. I'm not terribly clear about how wikitables work, but you could try it in HTML. Also, try posting your questions at WP:WPT, as they might be able to better assist. -Patstuart 04:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

What I'm asking is if the 1st 3 groups can be split in 3 EQUAL cells, and the last group in 4 EQUAL cells. Thanks.100110100 06:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I think i know what you're talking about. Basically, you end up wanting just one civilization in each cell right? What you need is either a method to set the height of a cell within a columne exactly (so you can manually divide it into thirds/quaters), or to have a table within a table. I'm afraid i can't explain how to do either of those things, but hopefully that makes it more clear for the next person trying to answer your question. --`/aksha 07:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes let's hope:D. Ok, what I want to do is divide B2,C2 & D2 in 3rds and E2 in 4ths, from the top . Is there anyway? Thanks.100110100 12:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Temporary images

How should I go about when I want to upload an image that is needed for a certain discussion, but may not be of interest in the future? Just as an example, there might be several versions of an image that need to be uploaded so that others can give their opinion on which one is the best. Should they (the images) go into the regular name space? Should they (the images!) be deleted afterwards? —Bromskloss 12:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If the image in question presents copyright problems, they should definitely be deleted, but it's reasonable to assume someone might want to reread the discussion later so you can leave it if source and copyright info are all complete and correct. - Mgm| 12:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- So, it's OK to litter the namespace and take up room on the… data storage devices? I don't object, I just want to know. —Bromskloss 12:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  - - Of course it's not okay to litter Misplaced Pages. The image has to be relevant to encyclopedia building or an honest HD or RD question. - Mgm| 12:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  - Deleting an image doesn't free up room on the servers anyway (it in fact increases storage slightly because the software has to remember the fact that it's been deleted), and anyway server space is not a limiting factor on Misplaced Pages at the moment as far as I remember. --ais523 12:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
    - Oh, so it keeps the images behind the scenes? If there was a copyright problem, is that really legal? Anyway, thanks for the help. I feel I can comfortably go ahead now. —Bromskloss 12:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, it's legal to own a copyrighted image if you don't try to distribute it. But then again I'm not a lawyer. I'm pretty sure the Wikimedia Foundation looked into the legal issues. - Mgm| 12:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also, what she was talking about was the log of the deletion on this history. The image can only be viewed by administrators after it has been deleted. Cbrown1023 01:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Uploading a series of fair use images for discussion would violate copyright, as the only place that a fair use image can be displayed is on the article about the image. Otherwise, if they're public domain, you could create a subpage of your User page, put them there, then link to the page in a discussion somewhere. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Table formatting problems

The table formatting at List of monarchs in the British Isles#Monarchs is screwed up for me (using IE 7). The text in the right hand table ("Monarchs of Scotland") is clipped. For example, scroll down until you get to "The House of Balliol" subheading. The first line of the explanatory text reads "When Margaret died in 1290 there was no clear heir. King Edward I o". In other words, the end of the word "of" is clipped. Other lines in this table are similar. I have looked at the code and can't immediately see anything wrong. Does anyone know how to fix this? Is it an IE bug? Dodgy Misplaced Pages syntax? Bug in Misplaced Pages conversion to HTML? Matt 12:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC).

It works fine for me. Is it screen resolution issues? IE 7 is relatively new, so if it's not that, I suspect it's an IE bug. - Mgm| 12:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How would I tell if it's a screen resolution issue? Matt 21:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC).

my concerns about User:FisherQueen

I was highly insulted to find that his person has been delting my articles and I want you people to help me disipine this pathetic admin.

Please respond on my talk page. Thank you. --Hammersmith123 12:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You must have the wrong idea. According to the deletion log, FisherQueen never deleted anything. I doubt they're even an administrator. - Mgm| 12:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

main page update

I have wikipedia set up as my main home page, it now wont update every day unless i purge the cache. Does anyone know how I can get round doing this every time i want to viewe the main page?

I use a method involving scripts to do this on my user page; it's possible that setting your home page to http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Main_Page&action=purge will solve the problem, but I'm not sure about that one. --ais523 13:10, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

I think setting your homepage as ais523 suggested will indeed work. - Mgm| 13:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that is working that suggestion ais523 but every time i click on the main page link it is still returning to the old (not updating) main page which is quite annoying. Any other suggestions?

A script is the only other possibility, to automatically redirect from the normal Main Page to the purged one (for your account only). Try adding the following to Special:Mypage/monobook.js:

addOnloadHook(function() {
if(location.href=="http://en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page")
  location.href="http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Main_Page&action=purge";
});

This is adapted from the script I use to autopurge my user page. The script will only work when you're logged in, though. --ais523 15:32, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

Radio

Good Morning,

I like to call and find out how I can use your new cast on Radio?

Sonny Hill

I think you are mistaken. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia. Nothing to do with radio. - Mgm| 13:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1 numbering

Often other types of numbered lists are needed, like

1. Main item
  1.1 First sub item
  1.2 Next sub item
    1.2.1 Sub sub item
    1.2.2 Sub sub item
  1.3 One more
2. Next main item
3. One more main item
  3.1 etc
  3.2 etc

The only supported list type is

1. Main item
  1 First sub item
  2 Next sub item
    1 Sub sub item
    2 Sub sub item
  3 One more
2. Next main item
3. One more main item
  1 etc
  2 etc

Is the first type not possible? Using headers for every item does not solve the problem, as they are headers, not numbered lists. Is there no list syntax that would provide this? (Like # and ##, etc.) Maybe by changing the skin? Or by using HTML? Or a template? --mabahj 13:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't figure out the 1.2.1 numbering, but there are interesting things that can be done with CSS.
It's possible that templates could be used for the 1.2.1 numbering, but there's nothing in wikimarkup for it AFAIK, and nothing in CSS.
The problem with using templates is the memory issue; I can't think of a way for the templates to figure out which number they should show unless you told them in a parameter (which would defeat the point of the numbering; you might as well add it by hand.)

--ais523 13:48, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

is buck wheat from wheat

Try at the Misplaced Pages:Reference Desk. Joshua C hi e w 15:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Or go up to the Search box on this or any other Misplaced Pages page, type in "buckwheat" (without the quotes, of course), and click on "Go". The answer is in the first paragraph of the Misplaced Pages article on buckwheat. --Tkynerd 15:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Login Problems for accound Daveulmer

My email confirmation may have expired on account Daveulmer

The email address on record is wrong and needs to be (email removed to prevent spam; it is still visible in page history)

I know the password and can log in but can't stay logged in to change my preferences.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Dave...

First try the 'remember me' box to see if that helps; also check if you've got cookies enabled on your browser (they are required to log in). If both of those fail, there's an alternative URL linked in the FAQ at the top of Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical) that has resolved login problems for some Misplaced Pages users; note that that connection is much slower. --ais523 15:03, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

Monobook problem

My monobook is protected instead of semi-protected, so I can't edit it. Why? brendan smith 15:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

All users' monobooks (you're probably refering to your monobook.js, possibly to your monobook.css) are protected from all users but the user they affect and administrators, to reduce the possibilty of abuse. If you can't edit your own monobook, it's likely to because you aren't logged in or have the wrong name for the page (the links above should link to the correct pages). --ais523 15:19, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

How to delete an archived article

How can I delete the following articles, I have had discussions with people concerned in regards to this article and its content, and apparently because these article have been edited to the extent that they are no longer factual but distorted and out of context they should be therefore deleted. Also because these three pages serves no real purpose in Misplaced Pages other than paint the ECOPAVE company and its trademark protected words Trademark dilution in bad light bad faith,Fact Finder2 12:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Fact Finder2 15:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You would need to show that there was some sort of copyright infringement or other reason to delete to have an archive deleted. You could try the Miscellany for deletion process, but you would need to give a reason within the deletion policy for the deletion, or the discussion almost certainly wouldn't go your way. --ais523 15:28, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

How about the Misplaced Pages courtesy blanking? is that allowed to be inserted on top of the page? Fact Finder2 15:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Courtesy blanking is an extreme measure occasionally carried out on AfDs, and is unlikely to be applied to archives except in exceptional circumstances; you could make your case on the administrator's noticeboard if you think it's desirable. --ais523 15:44, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

Several employees of Ecopave (including Ecopave (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Fact idiot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Fact Finder (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) spammed Misplaced Pages. Their spam was deleted, they were blocked. I unblocked Fact Finder on the understanding that he contribute to the encyclopaedia, his sole edits after that were to tag for deletion two articles on Ecopave's competitors, to obscure the word Ecopave in debates, to insist that to use the Ecopave trademark in discussion was corporate libel (i.e. WP:LEGAL violation) and sundry other abuses. The account was blocked again as a result (not by me). Fact Finder has also posted threatening messages on his Talk page demanding blanking of all references to the Ecopave spamming campaign, and has sent me threatening email to the same effect. I would suggest that by this time the appropriate response is "go away". Or the Anglo-Saxon equivalent. Guy (Help!) 21:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

November 27

Help needed on someone constantly deleting my user page

Could someone help me, a suspected admin keeps deleting my user page, I suspect its the same admin Guy Chapman who put a sockpuppet argument on my page Fact Finder2 15:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Your user page has never been deleted (see the logs for you and your userpage). --ais523 16:01, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

I mean the "contents" of my user page has been deleted Fact Finder2 16:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents is an auto-created table made by Misplaced Pages if you have more than 2 sections. (It could be more than 3, but I think it is more than 2). So, if you reduce the number of sections below the threshhold, Misplaced Pages won't make the table of contents table. It assumes it isn't needed. --Kainaw 17:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Also - there is a tab called "history" on every page. Click it on your talk page. Other than you, only one other person has edited your user page. You can also see the user's username, allowing you to go to their user page and user-talk page. --Kainaw 17:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I imagine this has to do with User:Fact Finder, not User:Fact Finder2. Prodego 17:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

hide user contributions

I see that some users have no user contribution selection in the toolbox, how is that possible? How can I hide my user contributions from other users? (LDFGeneral 15:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC))

You can't. If you are seeing a user with no "User contributions" link, it's not really a user. Some people have signatures that are not the same as their usernames - perhaps that's the source of confusion? FreplySpang 15:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

And if you follow the rules, you shouldn't be worried about someone checking your contributions. :) - Mgm| 16:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Image placement

I have added an image to the page titled Cecil Broadhurst, but it appears much smaller than I intended. I revised the image and enlarged it and uploaded it, but it still shows as the same size in Wiki.

How can I increase the size of the image? Also, how can I move it to the right side of the text rather than on top?

T. John F. Becker (Berryscroft)

Instead of using <gallery> tags, link to the image like this: ] (you can change the size by changing the 180px value). You can find more information at Help:Image. --ais523 16:12, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

Image sizing

I have tried to increase the size of the image on the page I have created. I enlarged it in Photoshop, and re-uploaded it, but it still shows as the same size. Also, I would like to move it to the right of the page with the text butting up to it. How can I do that? Berryscroft 16:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a duplicate question; I've answered in the section above. --ais523 16:20, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

tagging an image

i posted an image on the USA WEEKEND site and I put the copyright info and fair use in (that it is a low resolution magazine cover).... but it still says that the info has not been provided and that the image will be erased on 11/29/06.... Is there something else I need to do?

Jlarms01 16:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:USAW1022.jpg has no copyright information on it at all, if that's what you're referring to. If you put the {{Non-free fair use in}} tag on it (or one of the more specific Image copyright tags), give the source, and explain your reasoning for the fair use, then the picture probably won't be deleted. --ais523 17:00, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

Submitted picture, was deleted ...

My first attempt to add a picture to Misplaced Pages was to the Woolsey Hall article. That article already has one picture, with a very clear licensing policy. At my daughter's graduation this past spring - a public event - I took a vertical panorama which includes the beautiful ceiling, the picture in Misplaced Pages doesn't show it, so I added mine to that article. I honestly think mine is a better picture. Some time later I looked back at the article and found my addition had been deleted due to lack of a copyright statement, or something like that.

My question is: What needs to be provided with a picture, to avoid having it deleted?

Clearly it is more than for text, for some reason it seems text is assumed to be alright in the absence of copyright clarification but pictures are assumed not to be alright.

FYI: Link to the photo I tried to add to the article, reduced size (full size is very large): http://JoeS.smugmug.com/photos/71249474-L.jpg

Are you prepared to release your picture for any and all uses, including commercial use without paying you anything? If so, do you want to insist on a credit, or not? These are the main things to consider in what tag you need. Notinasnaid 17:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a list of available tags at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags; if you take a picture yourself, there are some licences for self-made pictures you can use to licence your work in such a way that Misplaced Pages can use it. --ais523 17:04, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

The annoying "+" tab.

The way my talk page is set up (User talk:Red Pooka), and because many Wikipedians are acoustomed (sp?) to using the "+" tab to add conversations (example, look at the bottom: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ARed_Pooka&diff=90372453&oldid=90360291) it often clutters up the page and I am forced to edit comments back in, and I think it would be a bit rude to try to tell every person on Misplaced Pages not to do that. :S. So is there possibly some wikicode to get rid of the "+" tab at the top of the page? Kinda like the

__NOTOC__

code peice? Thanks. --Red Pooka 16:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an entry for this in m:Help:Magic word, so probably no. --ais523 17:03, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

It should work if you remove all the code from (and including) the "Uncyclopedia Talk" section. Prodego 17:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. If you just leave the table opened, new messages will still appear to be inside of it and the Wikimedia software will close the table at the end of the page automatically. Put the Uncyclopedia section above the Misplaced Pages one or scrap it, and + messages will go to the Misplaced Pages one. Getting rid of the + wouldn't be a good idea, it's a very useful shortcut (having to learn the specifics of every user's talk page would be a pain). -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict)

You can abuse Misplaced Pages's use of HTML Tidy (or whatever it uses). Make the page a two column table (if it isn't already). Fill the left column like it currently is. Put the right column in, but do not close the column (td tag), the row (tr tag) or table (table tag). Leave it open. Misplaced Pages should notice the poor HTML and close it for you. New comments will go at the end of the right table and the closing tags will be appended after the new comments. --Kainaw 17:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There's also a CSS hack that works for some browsers and allows you to place text at the top of a page so that it appears at the bottom (for instance, Talk:Main Page uses this); I'm not sure how portable it is. --ais523 17:12, 27 November 2006 (U T C)

It works pretty well, but doing that here would make the Uncyclopedia section very difficult to post to. Prodego 17:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually I just want it to be where users simply just simply have to edit the page, nothing else. If they are from Misplaced Pages, they just click the edit button for that section, that's it. :) --Red Pooka 23:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that people will use all sorts of methods to edit a page. For instance, if you uploaded an unsourced image or vandalised a page in an obvious manner, a bot would notice and warn you at the bottom of your page, no matter what instructions or tab-hidings you use. A user using user scripts might quite possibly click on your name on a different page and send you a message using a '+' tab they'd generated there, and so on. In some cases I've even typed something along the lines of http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Prodego?action=edit&section=new straight into the address bar to save time, and if I did that I'd miss a warning about where to edit entirely. --ais523 09:16, 28 November 2006 (U T C)

related to business law

when the communication of offer & acceptance are completed

Please talk in full sentences. I have no clue what you are talking about, but I do know your question should go on the reference desk. - Mgm| 18:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Go?

Where do I go to veiw the process on how to change my username?

Please see Misplaced Pages:Changing_username. –- kungming·2 19:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

A lot of confusion

Wow I went through the ringer getttin my name changed. Where are my Aelfwine contributions?--Æ lfw ine 20:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Special:Contributions/Aelfwine?—WAvegetarian•(talk) 22:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Translating issue

Hi!

I've just registered at Misplaced Pages and I was wondering if I can contribute by taking articles in english and translating them into spanish. I've noticed (here and in other wiki sites) that english version of the site is frequently more "complete" than spanish version, so when I look for an article and find something that I think has not enough information for me I need to go to the english version of the article. This wouldn't be a problem if every person who speak spanish also speaks english, but this is not the case, so I felt like it could be helpfull to translate some info. If there's a reason why I souldn't translate articles for the spanish version of the site, please let me know by <email removed for security reasons>.

Thanks a lot!

As long as you attribute the article to the original source (Misplaced Pages) per the GFDL, translation is fine. — Dark Shikari /_contribs 22:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Line break

Which line break is preferred in Misplaced Pages:   or  ? I know that it only matters in XHTML, not HTML, but I thought I might as well ask. —The Gr e at Llama 21:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It appears a lot of people prefer as it is the XML standard. Personally, I prefer br because it's shorter, but I recommend using the first. - Mgm| 21:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages uses the doctype: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> Since it's XHTML, which indeed requires every tag be closed, definately use  . -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediawiki converts whatever you use to   when it serves the page. You can check the page source of my sandpit.--Commander Keane 02:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well that's neat. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think this article is notable enough. What should be done?

I stumbled upon the article Nicktoons: Heroes Unite! I don't think fanfiction is notable enough to have its own article. However, I'm still relatively new, and I'm not quite sure what should be done. I feel it should be deleted, but I'm not even sure what kind of deletion should be used. Can anyone help me? Thanks. Psycho Kirby 22:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Try WP:AFD if you're not sure. — Dark Shikari /_contribs 22:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- I nominated it for AFD. Thanks for your help! Psycho Kirby 22:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I commented on the AfD. While AfD is fine, speedy delete would work too. When you run into patent nonsense, biographies about obviously non-notable people (Bob lives in Seattle and he likes cake), or spam and such, you can simply slap a speedy delete tag on there (db-web, db-bio, db-nonsense, etc). Since this is obviously nonnotable fanfiction, you can put a db-web tag on there and not have to worry about process. Just letting you know ;) --Wo o ty Woot? contribs 22:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There's also an intermediate stage, WP:PROD. But if you're not sure, AfD is usually the safest option. Grutness...wha? 02:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with Archive

I just archived my talk page for the second time, at User talk:DoomsDay349/Archive 2, but for some reason the table of contents generated is enormous. Can anyone tell what's wrong? Thanks. Dooms Day349 23:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Shorten the header of number 45, and the TOC will be resized once more. –- kungming·2 23:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's a quick link. –- kungming·2 23:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you, thank you very much. Dooms Day349 23:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem, glad to be of service. But number 49 is a bit long too. ;) –- kungming·2 23:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Online/Offline

I've noticed on a lot of userpages there's this status thing ("This user is online!" "This user is offline."). Is it possible to get the code that tells if you are Online or offline? Like if you log off, that thing on your Userpage changes, or if you log back on it changes back? I've seen it on Essjay's and BH's pages. --Red Pooka 23:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

From memory, Essjay may have writen his own... User:Topaz has a sick one. See WP:STATUS :D. Peace out — D e on555 23:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually I was looking for the code. Or otherwise code that would makethe word "online" would change to "offline" whenever you logged off, and vice versa :). --Red Pooka 00:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ask Topaz if he can make it for you. On a side note, Topaz made Essjay's status changer, that is where I found Topaz. Topaz built my whole monobook, using parts from various files, and integrating them. If anyone can do it, he is the one. Prodego 02:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Flameviper/scripts, has all the code. ~ Flame vip e r 17:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

November 28

re article submission

Recently I submitted an article (which is mine but I had previously uploaded it to wezinarticle who it seems has claimed copyright. This is something I will need to look into further. As a res ukt I uploaded a small article on photography business but it has been removed aftyer I was encouraged to write it. I am now very confused. I also placed external links to relevant helpful sites which have also been removed. I notice there are other sites in External Links that are commercial that seem to be OK - more confusion!!!! I have looked at the guidelines but I know I'm missing something?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebooks (talk • contribs)

Judging from your talk page history, someone judged it to be spam. However, this might have been with the other links you provided. It's hard to tell what it was, though, without the name of the page so we can check the deletion log. Patstuart 03:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I judged all the links he was adding to several articles to be very spammy because of their domain names e.g safe-and-easy-weightloss.com, slim-and-healthy-pregnancy.com, and the-mediterranean-diet.com. The way he insisted on replacing the links after they'd been removed also appeared to be the behaviour of a spammer. Plus, the Photography article gets a lot of people adding their own sites to the external links section. Even if they're not yet-another-gallery or some store selling the latest digital cameras with the most megapixels!, they should go into a more specific article. The photography article is like a portal - explaining the history of photography and touching on a range of topics, but mostly serving as a central launching point for finding other photography-related articles. I wasn't the one who redirected photography business. Maybe it could have been made into an acceptable article, and *maybe* a suitable place for Ebooks' link(s). I see there's already Commercial photography, might it be an equivalent article/topic? --Imroy 03:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect you may have misunderstood if your page was flagged as a copyright violation. If a wikipedia page is found to have the same words as a web page it is likely to be a copyright violation, and is removed unless or until proof is produced that we are in the clear. For example, if the other site has words releasing their pages under a suitable license. Misplaced Pages has no way to evaluate the statement "but I was the original author!". Generally best in any case to rewrite as the needs of a Misplaced Pages article are likely to be different from other sites. Notinasnaid 09:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Image question

I'm always answering questions, now i can ask one. I uploaded this image: Image:Matt_Redman_2.jpg, which was freely available on flickr. However, when I viewed this image: Image:Chris Tomlin performing live.jpg, which is also on flickr, it had to have an admin come along and verify it was available. How do I go about this, or, if an admin sees this, could you verify it for me, please? Thanks. Patstuart 03:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Better yet, can you also give me the procedure for moving an image over into the commons, seeing as this artist has articles in other languages? -Patstuart 03:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless the Flickr owner has changed the licence (which is a problem with Flickr, it doesn't record licence changes as far I know), Image:Matt_Redman_2.jpg is incorrectly tagged. Flickr says it is a non-commercial creative commons licence - so the image can't be used in Misplaced Pages (and can't be uploaded to Commons).--Commander Keane 03:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've put up a commercial-use image. It's so crummy, I've tagged it for db-userreq anyway. But for future reference, how is all of the above done? -Patstuart 04:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well the flickr review is a Commons process, you just place {{flickrreview}} on the Commons image description page and an admin over there will get to it (link). To move an image to Commons, you actually have to re-upload it from scratch. Misplaced Pages:Moving_images_to_the_Commons discusses this. I will delete Image:Matt_Redman_2.jpg even though you have replaced the non-free image with a free one, just give me a buzz if you want it restored.--Commander Keane 05:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

please...(etc.)

please tell me the exports of panama.

please email me back at <email removed>

thanks alot

Try the Reference Desk or Panama. This is a Help Desk for assistance on the use of Misplaced Pages, not for your homework. —Keakealani 03:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Why is Essjay's edit counter not working?

Why is Essjay's edit counter not working? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meno25 (talk • contribs)

No idea, but if you want to see your edit count - use Interiot's tool. Viridae 04:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You linked to Tool2, a user script, there; I think you mean this edit counter, also by Interiot, which operates in a similar manner to Essjay's. --ais523 09:12, 28 November 2006 (U T C)

As to why it isn't working: the toolserver got moved quite a while ago, from the server "zedler" to "hemlock". As a result, a lot of the tools got broken. Zedler now works as a database server for the toolserver. Tito xd 21:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

What happen

I took a short wiki-break over thanksgiving.. what happened with mediawiki? The wiki code toolbar no longer appears above the edit box and the little DHTML preview popup no longer appears when I hover over links. Whats the deal --⁪froth 04:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

One of the devs, who shall remain nameless did mess something up in the code which made a bit of a mess, probably to do with that. TehKewl1 04:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

user banning

What is the current standard procedure to get a user banned (or at least blocked). There was an account created today during which s/he has done nothing except launch personal attacks against various wikipedians here (even has a website against me and a couple others) and vandalise articles. Should I simply post about this to an admin's page? Or where? Mathmo 06:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Posting it on WP:ANI or the personal attack intervention noticeboard listed there. - Mgm| 08:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks! went ahead and listed it on the personal attack intervention noticeboard Mathmo 11:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting My Old Name Permanently

My old username was my real name. I have since changed my name, but the old page still stays. I would rather not have this page show up on google, so I'd like to delete the old user page. How can I do that? The old name was (name removed to protect privacy). Tracer Bullet 06:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is a way to delete an account. Although it takes a lot of resources, it is possible to rename it, if you want. Honestly, your page won't show up on Google unless the person searching already knows your name, and then what do you need to hide? I don't think it's that big a deal, but if it would make you feel safer, you can do that. Ironically, posting your name here is more visible than your original username could have been. —Keakealani 06:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted your old user page and user talk page, so they no longer redirect to your new name. - Tangot a ngo 06:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Font size and colour

I think I may have asked this before, but I can't find it in the archives (neither can I remember it), so I'll have to ask it again: how do you change font size and colour? Littleghostboo 08:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I've found it. Never mind. Littleghostboo 08:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Is this OK?

At Adrienne_Shelly#The_Adrienne_Shelly_Foundation, the article is being used to promote donations to a foundation, one that doesn't exist yet, in memory of a person. Surely this is not ok? KenWalker | Talk 08:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Until it actually has official status in being a existing and legal foundation, that's indeed not OK. Someone already removed it. - Mgm| 08:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well the request for cheques is a no-no per WP:NOT, and the rest of the text (whose content is encyopedic) I removed because it's a copyvio. The info about the foundation (minus the solicitation) can be re-added with a reference, in the author's own words. Anchoress 08:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Tried to remove it myself, but Anchoress beat me to it. Figured it wasn't ok but wasn't sure of right basis. KenWalker | Talk 08:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the total number of unregistered users?

Thank you.

--62.114.227.231 11:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It's quite hard to tell, really, because the only way we can identify unregistered users is by IP address, and there are IPs used by more than one user and users who use more than one IP (there are some exceptional cases, such as IPs through which several hundred thousand people are capable of editing, although probably most of them don't edit Misplaced Pages). You can get a sense of how many unregistered as opposed to registered users edit by looking at Special:Recentchanges. --ais523 11:38, 28 November 2006 (U T C)

Keep in mind that registered users would probably edit far more often than unregistered users so most of the names on that list are registered - but there are many more unregistered accounts than registered (every registered user has been unregistered at some point and not all users register) --⁪froth 16:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Impossible relocation

Randroide 11:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I am trying to move Procon-ten to procon-ten, because (just as in the case of al-Quaida), the initial "p" should be lower case (see picture on the article).

The software does not allow me to do this:

Source and destination titles are the same; can't move a page over itself. Please check that you didn't enter the destination title into the "reason" field instead of the "new title" field.

Moreover: I recall that some technical glith has to be circumvented to allow an article name to start with lower case.

Thank you.

While lower-case first letters are implemented on Wiktionary. Misplaced Pages still uses capital first letters. If that messes with the title, see what to do at for example the first line of the edit screen of iPod. - Mgm| 11:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

- Solved!. {{lowercase|title=procon-ten}} is the key to the issue. Thank you very much for the fast answer.

- Would it be proper to write this question in the FAQ section?.Randroide 11:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If you would like to do so, I don't see how it would be a problem. Make sure you put it under the right section, though. -Patstuart 11:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. Please check my work: Misplaced Pages:Troubleshooting#Lower-case_first_letters.Randroide 12:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to move that to Misplaced Pages:Technical_FAQ, if you don't mind. -Patstuart 12:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. Thank you for your attention.Randroide 12:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

And I've reworded and reformatted the entry. I've also removed procon-ten from the list of examples so we only have examples a majority of the readers are going to recognize. - Mgm| 12:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Template change:

I just tried to modify Template:TestTalk in order to wiki-link the page being referred to, and it's not showing up when I'm previewing the warning that I'm attempting to add on another user's page. While it did seem to work when I tested it in the Sandbox, it seems to behave differently when I moved it into production. Is there a way to fix this, or should I revert the change?

In case you're wondering, I'm placing it on User talk:Haj-japan, since that user reverted vandalism warnings placed on that page per norm. The user has no previous edits, aside from a personal attack placed on another user's page, his own auto-bio on the userpage, and his reverts. --Sigma 7 12:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Try using the sandbox - WP:SANDBOX - to try posting your template in use . The sandbox also has test templates there too. But, in this case, it seems to be working, as I tried it on my own. Patstuart 12:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, you will not want to get into a revert war with a user on warnings on their talk page. This has been debated ad nauseum, and policy currently does not prohibit it. Patstuart 12:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Insert track listing

I am new to all this and not very good at computer speak so in simple terms I would like to know how to insert Track listing information for an album. The point in case is for a band called Godspeed, on the page they mention the album so I clicked on it and there is no information, I have that information, so how do I create a page or link. I tried but to no avail. Thanks in advance.

Is there an existing article you want to edit, or no article at all and you want to create a new article? Notinasnaid 18:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Entry with the same/similar name

I just added a new entry to wikipedia called 'John MacMurray' (note the two capital Ms) but there is already an entry for 'John Macmurray' (one capital M).

These two individuals are different people - one is a musician the other a philosopher - but people might get them mixed up. I expected wikipedia to go to a page with a list of both entries after I typed "john macmurray" (lower case) into a search, but it immediately took me to the older article on the philosopher.

Can anyone tell me if there is some way to get Misplaced Pages to go to a list page so that when people run a search for either they won't get them mixed up and can see that there are indeed two?

Thanks

Use a Misplaced Pages:disambiguation header. Don't use a full page if you're disambiguating only two names and one is more notable than the other. ColourBurst 15:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

For example of this, see Ian MacDonald and links. Notinasnaid 17:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

New Articles

I am working on editing an article about the Texas Bowl, and because it has no link to the Houston Bowl, I need to create a new entry for the Houston Bowl. How do I do this?

One way is to edit a link to Houston Bowl in somewhere (Texas Bowl, for instance), and then click on the link whilst logged-in. You should get an empty edit screen where you can start the article. There are also other methods of starting an article. You may want to read Misplaced Pages:Your first article for more information about starting a new article. --ais523 16:56, 28 November 2006 (U T C)

I see that Houston Bowl redirects back to Texas Bowl. In that case, to start the new article you need to click on the link on the "redirected from" message after visiting Houston Bowl, and edit that. --ais523 16:57, 28 November 2006 (U T C)

Help!!!!

Whenever i go onto Misplaced Pages and anyother wiki hrwiki.org or lostpedia.com it always has the date November 19th stuff on the main page. Yet on other computer it is fine. How do i fix this???

Some people need to use the purging version (place ?action=purge on the end of the URL, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Main_Page&action=purge) to get the most up-to-date version of the Main Page. This question was asked on November 26; here's the answer I gave then, after a short discussion:

A script is the only other possibility, to automatically redirect from the normal Main Page to the purged one (for your account only). Try adding the following to Special:Mypage/monobook.js:

addOnloadHook(function() {
if(location.href=="http://en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page")
  location.href="http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Main_Page&action=purge";
});

This is adapted from the script I use to autopurge my user page. The script will only work when you're logged in, though. --ais523 17:12, 28 November 2006 (U T C)

Text/image overlap

Hi, i'm trying to edit the Atonement page however the introductory paragraph is overlapped by one of the portal graphics. Could someone tell me how to fix this (or fix this and then tell me how they did it!) Thanks. Simon 17:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Images sometimes do not display

Over the last few days, when I view most pages, some of the images do not display as images, but only as text. When I click on them to go to Commons, it says that "The image cannot be displayed because it contains errors", but often when I return to the page ten refreshes later it appears as normal. I am running XP with Firefox and anti-spyware software. Why does this happen, and can I fix it? --86.146.76.221 18:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

????????

I NEED TO FIND A SALUTATION TO REPLACE TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.

THE LETTER IS TO UNIVERSITY SCHOLARS, ENGINEERS AND LAB MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL. NOT DIRECTED TO ANY CERTAIN DEPARTMENT OR PERSON.

KAREN BARLOW

"Dear sir/madam," could work, but make sure you don't put the letter in all caps like you did this question. - Mgm| 19:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Pills Put in same bottle for my 14 year old daughter for an antibiotic

I was administering my daughters medication after she had, had oral surget which the medication was pennicllin. She proceeded in taking what she thought was the same pill but asked me about it because it looked different when I would give it to her so I poured out all the pills and gave her the one I knew was the correct one because it was marked I have been trying to contact the pharmacist but they want me to bring in the pills which I will do but first I need to know from experts what pill this is it has 93 on one side 5134 on the other side and it is oval shaped.141.156.166.193 19:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Vilma Beverly

Erm.... Science Reference Desk?--86.146.76.221 19:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

When it comes to pills, the pharmacist is the specialist. Wikipedians shouldn't give medical advice. - Mgm| 19:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Per the note above, you'll probably have more success at the Science Reference Desk; this Help Desk tends to be better equipped to answer questions about using Misplaced Pages itself. I'll note that the 93 imprint probably means that it's a pill made by Teva Pharmaceutical Industries; that doesn't help you much, though, as they're one of the biggest makers of generic drugs in the world.

A quick online search (see here for one) doesn't reveal a match to the 5134 imprint your provided. It's possible that it's a new item that hasn't made it into the online databases, or that there is a typo(?) in the number you've provided. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It could be 5 34. Many oval pills have two numbers with a split in the pill between the numbers. It looks like 5|34 - which is easily mistaken for 5134. --Kainaw 20:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking a computer

This is a networked computer that many people use to log in to, as I went on the computer (and tried to edit a section on islam) I found that following message appear

"Your user name or IP address has been blocked by SemperBlotto. The reason given is this: silliness

You may contact SemperBlotto or one of the other administrators to discuss the block. Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address registered in your user preferences. If you have an account, you can still edit your preferences when you are blocked.

Your IP address is 213.249.229.58. Please include this address in any queries you make"

It seems like someone has done something illegal by wikipedia's standards and now I am blocked! I cant find how to contact SemperBlotto (the best I can get is a page that talks about him). I dont have an account yet (because the only major editing I have done was the heated debate in the 'Alladdin' section), How do I unblock either me or the computer? (as the message has stated, the IP address is attatched)

You can talk to SemperBlotto by going to User talk:SemperBlotto and clicking on the "+" symbol near the top of the screen to give him a new message. Nihiltres 19:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If you're blocked, then how can you post here? - Mgm| 19:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure it's SemperBlotto. He doesn't appear to have blocking powers. - Mgm| 19:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Uploading Copyrighted Images

I've read through the pages on image posting, and I am still confused. I would like to post the image of the bicycle on this page, http://www.arpan.com/english/product.asp?id=3, on the wikipedia page Mixte. The photo shows a classic mixte bicycle, patterned after French bicycles from the 1950s. I have talked with the owners of the website on which the photo resides, and they would be tickled pink to have this photo in Misplaced Pages. Is there a way to post the image with proper credit/copyright information, or are all such photos from commercial websites not allowed? Fbagatelleblack 19:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Jesus site

some one hacked your resource for Jesus.

High-profile articles are often the target of vandals. I suspect it was fixed before you reported it here. Next time you see something like this, you can follow the instructions at WP:REVERT to fix it yourself. - Mgm| 20:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

satellite images

wikipedia used to provide close-in satellite images which were pssible to navigate and could locate any building on earth can u pls tell me the link as i m not able to ge that

That wasn't Misplaced Pages. Perhaps it was Wikimapia, or Google Earth. Notinasnaid 19:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Expletive filled entry

http://en.wikipedia.org/Chris_Pronger

Someone has entered a long, filthy, curse-filled personal attack on Chris Pronger at the start of the Chris Pronger listing.

(it was there as of November 28 2006)

Articles are subject to constant change. In this case, the article was fixed before you posted here. - Mgm| 20:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Policy

SOMEWHERE there is a policy/guideline that says place of birth/death shouldn't go in the lead. I just can't seem to remember where... Mikker 20:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't specify what shouldn't go in the lead of a biographical article, but Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (biographies) does specify what should go in the lead paragraph of a biographical article. --ElKevbo 20:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this, it lead me to Dates of birth and death which answers this question specifically. KenWalker | Talk 03:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

help with images

hi i uploaded an image and it was the wrong one how can i delete it? thaaanx— Preceding unsigned comment added by Manish182 (talk • contribs)

Tag it with {{db-author}} and that will get rid of it shortly.Kchase T 22:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation email

I have just joined and am being asked to to confirm my email address. When I click on the link contained in the email sent by Misplaced Pages I am then being told that the confirmation code has expired despite me doing this instantly.I have tried this on a number of occasions. Can you help as I am becoming very frustrated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony133 (talk • contribs)

Don't worry about it. For most editors, having email confirmed is never really necessary unless you plan on running for adminship.Kchase T 22:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Affidavit as reputable source

A Misplaced Pages editor is proposing to quote allegations from an affidavit that was filed in a 1988 court case that was settled out of court. The allegations are being presented as facts about the topic at hand. Is this considered a reputable source? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.162.81.184 (talk • contribs) 17:04, November 28, 2006 (UTC)

An affadavit is not a source of facts, of course, but if it is verifiable, its existence is a fact, and it is a fact that the accusations appeared in it. That is not the same as saying it is proper to include it in the article, see especially Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons: muck raking is not permitted. Major, significant, press coverage of the accusations might be a minimum condition for their appearance. Notinasnaid 22:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks much. This is very helpful. Let me give a couple more details. The affidavit is by a former employee of an organization and alleges specific things such as fraud. The editor wants to include the allegations as a way of making the point that the organization is fraudulent. I assume from what you say that this isn't acceptable evidence in a Misplaced Pages article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.162.81.184 (talk • contribs) 17:27, November 28, 2006 (UTC)

It depends on the context and the exact proposed wording, among other things. Without knowing the specifics, it would probably be acceptable to use the affidavit as evidence that the company was accused of wrongoing but it's certainly not evidence of actual wrongdoing. There is also the possibility of giving the incident undue weight if the discussion in the article is out of proportion to the proper weight of the incident in question. Finally, please remember that the standard of inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability not truth. --ElKevbo 22:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent points all. Really helpful.

It's worth bearing in mind that (again, without knowing anything about this case) employees may make all manner of claims against their ex employees for any number of reasons, not limited to getting compensation for unfair dismissal, and getting revenge. My instincts would be against including this at all, and it absolutely cannot be used of evidence of wrongdoing. Settling out of court can never be considered an admission of guilt. Notinasnaid 09:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

First ten accounts on Misplaced Pages (January 2001)

I was rencently looking at the stats here, and I saw that Misplaced Pages had 10 contributors in January 2001. Does anyone have a list of those 10 accounts, and whether any are still editing Misplaced Pages? Carcharoth 23:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs) would be one †he Bread 23:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Check this out: . Cbrown1023 23:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this one is probably the best: . Cbrown1023 23:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Carcharoth 02:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

November 29

Should this article be edited because it contains a directory of links and street addresses?

Hoxton#Cultural Attractions in Hoxton .26 around just seems to be a directory of links for (mostly commercial) art studios. I've seen other people say that there shouldn't be directories of links in articles, and I think I read that street addresses for premises shouldn't be listed like this, but I'm not sure exactly. I don't want to delete stuff that I shouldn't. 172.200.76.94 00:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the section as Misplaced Pages is not a directory.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 00:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

OK thanks, I couldn't find the exact guidelines about this before. What happens if the guy who made the list just adds it back into the article though?172.200.76.94 01:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Then you revert it, and leave a message on his talk page. If he adds it again, you leave another message and leave it up. If he doesn't take it down, post on Admin Noticeboard or RFC or Mediation Cabal. --Wooty Woot? contribs 02:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

How to view annotation of an article?

Is there a way to view an annotation of a Misplaced Pages article and see which revision introduced each line of its source code, like one can do in most version control systems? Hashproduct 02:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I think what you're looking for is the history tab at the top of every article. You can view different versions of the article and the changes between different versions. Dismas| 02:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I think the request is for a listing of the article with the equivalent of a version number on each line. To find the edit that added a line in an article is cumbersome. The best approach I know of (for a line that didn't exist at some point in the past and does exist now) is to do a binary search in the edit history. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I wish there was a non-computer science explanation of "binary search" out there. That's the only way I do it for now.

I know quite a few people are interested in more thorough history analysis, but I don't know if there's an easy to do this yet. If the toolserver starts replicating again (yeah right) and starts replicating article text again (yeah right), I'm sure you'll see a lot of efforts towards this. But I don't know of a current implementation of this. (the IBM images are tantalizing though).

Rick Block left a message on my talk page asking about a Javascript way to do this... I haven't heard of one, though it would probably take a lot of work. I know just getting the diff algorithm to work the way you want it to can be difficult. (and per Tool2, there isn't necessarily a lot of RAM available) --Interiot 04:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to see who added a certain piece of text, try User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery. - Mgm| 08:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Mindrap

Dear Misplaced Pages,

I have been working on the MindRap article and have yet to satisfy your requirements. MindRap is an educational project that has been used from the University of Alberta in Vancouver to the Bronx in New York city. There has also been an article written on the project in IEEE's Signal processing magazine in July of 2006. MindRap has a website and is referenced from other sites. One of the founders, Jim West is in the national inventor's hall of fame. I would love to have some help with this. If the editor who keeps rejecting the article is willing to help, or anyone is willing to help, please let me know.

Thank you

Melanie West

Dear — Dismas| Thank you for your help. I am very confused right now....need time to understand this 'talk' and other aspects of the Misplaced Pages world. Thanks again. Take care, mellow_warrior

No problem, all I did was format the article a bit. You still need to look into whether MindRap is notable enough. Adding references and sources would help. Also, it should read less like an advertisement, see WP:NPOV. Dismas| 04:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

One of the other problems, Melanie, is that at least the first paragraph is taken word for word from your website on MindRap, and that is a copyvio. This is a big huge no-no on WP, and it needs to be fixed post haste. I second Dismas' point about the references; even if you don't know how to do WP referencing, at least provide links or the reference information, and someone can help with turning them into proper references. Also, you say several things in this thread about the project that aren't in the article yet; I suggest you include that info asap, because the line at the top (second paragraph) saying it's been done in Chicago makes it sound very regional. It also needs more specific information; how many students have participated, what was the growth curve from the first unit until now, how many schools are involved, what is the method by which the videos are disseminated, etc. Also, how is it funded? Is it a non-profit? Do schools have to pay for the service? Is it self-supporting by the students? This is important. And please be sure to include references in addition to the site's home page, the originator company's home page, and your MindRap page.

It looks interesting to me, but I agree right now that it doesn't seem notable (note though, that notability is a guideline, not a policy). I'm not trying to discourage you, rather I'm trying to help you establish what's necessary in order to keep the article. Of particular concern is that, while google turns up a lot of hits, there are none for google news. Has the media taken an interest in this project? If so, please include that in your references, and/or external links. Good luck, and if you need help navigating WP, doing references, or anything else, drop a line on my talk page. Anchoress 08:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Images from other Wikipedias

I'd like to add an image from a German wikipedia article to the English article on the same subject. When I enter the image name with the appropiate tag, all I get is the text. How do I do this? --Michael Johnson 04:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Each language wikipedia is separate, except media uploaded to commons:main are shared by all. So, either download the image and upload it to commons (note that commons cannot accept fair use images) or download the image and upload it to en. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks --Michael Johnson 07:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Secure Misplaced Pages

Does Misplaced Pages has a secure version? I found by accidence a web page whose url is https://www.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/Main_Page. Why is this present?

--196.202.90.134 07:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... The link doesn't work for me. What did it show for you? –- kungming·2 07:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I know there is a secure Misplaced Pages, located at secure.wikimedia.org, not www.wikimedia.org. It's considerable slower, but can be useful to users who for some reason cannot use an unencrypted connection. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 07:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's the link Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 07:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This link is the correct link. Sorry for mistake. I would like to ask why Misplaced Pages has a secure version? Also, is this the case in other languages and versions?

--196.202.90.134 07:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure exactly why, but I know people living in China can get past the govt block on WP by using it. --Wooty Woot? contribs 08:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The secure version (which doesn't actually offer any extra security) is useful because some Internet connections (particularly some satellite ISPs) seem to be incapable of remembering logon data when a non-secure connection is used. I have a weird bug in my browser that often prevents me from saving pages that the secure connection works around as well. --ais523 09:12, 29 November 2006 (U T C)

Undo feature

Just today I've noticed a new link when going back in page histories to perform reverts. The link says "Undo". I did a quick scan of Misplaced Pages:Revert but there isn't anything there about it. What does this "Undo" do? Dismas| 10:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It tries to undo the diff you're looking at while retaining the changes that came afterwards. Makes old vandalism considerably easy to deal with. It was covered on the technical section of this week's Signpost. - Mgm| 10:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It reverts the diff on the page your on without reverting any diffs that come later, so that if someone edits a page after it's been vandalised you don't have to try to merge the edits yourself. The undo has to be checked manually and you need to enter an edit summary yourself. --ais523 10:49, 29 November 2006 (U T C)

I see. Thanks! Dismas| 11:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just nipped over to Meta and added a bit of documentation to m:Help:Reverting, so we should have documentation for this on Misplaced Pages in a bit. --ais523 11:33, 29 November 2006 (U T C)

Incorrect information - making changes

I am trying to correct (update)an incorrect piece of information about the University of Essex(number of departments is 19 not 17). It makes the change, which is also readable by other users, and then a few minutes later reverts back to the incorrect version. Other changes I have made, including another factual correction, have been accepted.

This appears to be a probable false positive by User:VoABot II, a bot that tries to prevent vandalism. Try adding a source for your edit at the same time to prove to the bot that it isn't vandalism. --ais523 11:49, 29 November 2006 (U T C)

No offense, but that doesn't seem like a very good solution. An editor shouldn't have to provide a reference for a tiny change in order to avoid getting reverted by a bot. I think the owner of the bot needs to know about this (I'm gonna report it to the page now), because an editor should be able to just make that change without having to learn how to do citations etc too. That's what 'the encyclopedia anyone can edit' is all about. Anchoress 12:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that sensing number-change vandalism isn't something that bots can reasonably do easily, due to the high risk of false positives. I agree that it's probably worth taking it up with the operator; I was suggesting an interim solution to make the edit in the first place (and anyway, if the edit's just to change a number it's probably a good idea to have a source so that future human readers know it's correct). --ais523 13:05, 29 November 2006 (U T C)

It was not a number change revert (those are only used on watched pages that are on lock down from sockpuppets). This was do to a repeated consanant false positive ("nonsense" word detection) due to "y" missing from the regexp; its been reverted and fixed. Sorry for the inconvenience.Voice-of-All 16:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I get some kind of renumeration for editing.

Hello: I have a spent a fair amount of ttme editing certain Chemistry/Physics pages. I feel that I am very qualified to do this: I have a Ph D in Chemistry, and taught at the high school level for five years. So I feel I understand how an article should be presented to audience you are tring to each. Anyway, can I get paid to edit and watch over articles? Im spending a lot of time editing. Pez2 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pez2 (talk • contribs) 14:39, November 29, 2006 (UTC).

You want a Misplaced Pages sugar daddy you're welcome to go looking. But you won't get any remuneration from Misplaced Pages. This is a free, not for profit, volunteer edited encyclopedia. However, you are free to engage in renumeration if you find articles with incorrect numbering.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) Hi there! No, I'm afraid not, Misplaced Pages is edited solely by volunteers who donate their time to the greater cause of building an encyclopedia. We do it for a variety of reasons (to each their own), but hopefully all to derive some sense of enjoyment or accomplishment from editing. I hope you feel the same way, and stay with the project to share your expertise! :) — QuantumEleven 12:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Searching for Vladimir

I wrote a brief Misplaced Pages article on Vladimir Vasiliev, one of ballet's greatest stars. When I do a search on the term Vladimir Vasiliev, the only thing that comes up is an article on a martial arts instructor,although the Vasiliev article on the ballet star (who I can only surmise is the most prominent Vasiliev) does exist in the list of my contributions. Why isn't it appearing?

Hi there! This is a very common question (see the Misplaced Pages Very Frequently Asked Questions) - the Misplaced Pages search index is only updated very slowly, so it may be some times before a newly created article shows up in the search. I hope that helps! — QuantumEleven 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Special font

I want to post an article about Ediê (a conlang) and I' triying to write with Ediê font, but I didn't get it. is it possible???152.92.4.133 18:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Since other people visiting Misplaced Pages won't have the Ediê font, and may not have any other particular one, you don't write articles with a particular font. However, if the characters used by the written language are in Unicode, you can use any Unicode character. Not all visitors can display all Unicode, but it is the best we can do for now.

Rather more important, though, would be adding some citations to show that this language project is notable enough for Misplaced Pages, or the article may not last the week. Notinasnaid 19:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Trademark

Does anyone know if there's a forum to discuss copyright status on WP images? I'm having a little trouble finding a place to ask my question. In particular, I'm concerned that WP doesn't use the Commons template (Commons:Template:Trademarked) for trademarked pictures such as pictures of products, etc. Does anyone know about this, or know where else I can ask this question? tiZom_(2¢) 19:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I just noticed that we do have Template:Trademarked, but it is not nearly as widespread as it should be. I guess I'm just curious as to why... tiZom_(2¢) 19:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty hard for me to figure out a use on Misplaced Pages that would violate the trademark (other, perhaps, than things like a "this user Hoover(tm)s up vandalism" userbox or something equally cretinous, all of which would violate the copyright anyway). If the template is intended to warn users about the non-wikipedia use (its wording is rather wooly) then it doesn't belong, as we're not here to offer legal advice. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

So if someone takes a picture of a trademarked product (let's say for argument's sake Image:Pepsicup.jpg), and licenses it under GNU free doc license, then anyone can use this picture for any use (which may even involve commercial use), so long as they simply credit the photographer (User:Appraiser) Something about this just doesn't seem right... unless I'm missing something - which is often the case :o) tiZom_(2¢) 20:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Entry date order, forwards or backwards?

Is there a rule? Here, for example, it is latest at bottom. But I notice that, for example, on the founder's talk page, it has latest on top. JohnClarknew 20:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JohnClarknew (talk • contribs) .

Comments on talk pages should always be left at the bottom (in fact, that's how the little plus sign at the top next to "edit this page" works). Where exactly are you seeing new comments on top? tiZom_(2¢) 20:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It would seem that JohnClarknew is referring to User talk:Jimbo Wales or Talk: Jimmy Wales.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 20:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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