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28 November, 2006

Regarding your edits on Thomas Jefferson: fraudulent edit summaries are blatant vandalism:

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you. Hu 17:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Jefferson was a Deist

It has already been discussed many times on Talk:Thomas Jefferson that Jefferson was a Deist, not a Christian. The way you persist in your underhanded attempts to change history is PoV vandalism and doomed to failure. Hu 18:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

fraudulent?blatant vandalism?trolling? The artical on jefferson is fraudulent at best. Show where Jefferson said him self that he was a Deist. Now read the Jefferson Bible and in it he claims he is a Christain!Aside that our family goes way back to Jefferson and are still to this day neighbors in Bedford County,Virginia

piratesofsml

Discuss it on Talk

Don't edit the article again that way, and most especially don't use misleading edit summaries to hide what you are doing. Read this first, and a bunch of other stuff in the archives of the talk page, then discuss it in the Talk page (not the archives of course). Hu 03:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the purpose of the edit links? To correct misguided and/or wrong info?

I also see that Vary blocked me..She obviously does not know Vary much about IP addresses..they can be changed.Sign off,clear footprints then wait 5 min and sign back on...or dial into a different server.Even on the talk page people think what I think. The truth will not be stopped,you may set the page back to what it was,but I will always be there to change it back to the truth....Show Vary what I have said.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Piratesofsml (talk • contribs) .

I did know that, actually, but just because it's possible for you to change your ip address, it doesn't follow that I should make it easy for you to continue disrupting wikipedia by leaving your current one unblocked.

If you want the change to stay in the article, switching IP addresses is not the way to do it. You have to make your case on the talk page, and as you've probably seen, that discussion has been going on for quite some time with the consensus being in favor of the current version. There may be people who 'think what you think' on the talk page, but there are more who don't. -- Vary | Talk 17:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

And I have; Where did Jefferson ever say that he himself was a Deist? is a document in proof that I am a real Christian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.152.13.170 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC

What part of "I am a real Christian" do you not understand? Untill this is recognized, I will continue to edit the artical,for truth can not be stopped!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Piratesofsml (talk • contribs) 19:11, November 29, 2006.

And until you achieve consensus for your proposed changes on the talk page, they will continue to be reverted. You are already in violation of the WP:3RR, and continuing to revert to your preferred version of the article over consensus on the talk page is not the way to get your point across.

The quote that you're using is out of context. The full quote:

is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw.

In this quote, he used the term 'Christianity' to mean 'one who follows the teachings of Christ' rather than 'one who worships Christ as a God.' Jefferson considered his brand of Christianity, as outlined in the Jefferson Bible, as real Christianity; implying that mainstream Christianity is 'false.' Thus calling him a Christian, as opposed to a Deist, would be disingenuous, as it implies a belief in the divinity of Jesus, while Jefferson considered Jesus a great teacher, but not a God. -- Vary | Talk 19:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Exacly read what you type,I personaly don't know any christians who worship christ as god...You made my point for me thank you! Jesus never said"worship me" And as all christians know..you worship God not jesus,so yes Jefferson was right on that...how ever this does not make him a Deist,if it does then all christians are deist!

I used the What part of "I am a real Christian" do you not understand? to highlight the words I am a real Christian NOT I am a real Deist.

You don't know many Christians who consider Christ divine? How many Christians do you know?

I don't believe in miracles either,I do however follow the teachings of Jesus and his moral guidance just as Jefferson did.....and I go to church! A christian church...having said that,does that make me a Deist?

This is a discussion which need to happen (and is happening) on the article talk page. As long as you continue to evade your block using IP addresses, you can't be unblocked. I'm reducing your block to 24 hours; if, at the end of that period, you return to reverting to your preferred version rather than supporting your position on the talk page, you'll be reblocked. If you continue to use IPs or sock puppets to evade your block, the block will be reset. Please consider reading though the five pillars to learn how to contribute constructively to wikipedia. If you continue with this editing pattern after your current block expires, rather than contributing constructively, you will have to be re-blocked. -- Vary | Talk 20:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

If I can get around the blocks why would I stop?

Because edits made by blocked users can be reverted on sight. The only way that you can contribute to the article is by abiding by Misplaced Pages's rules. Just unilaterally replacing every instance of 'deist' with 'christian' isn't going to fly. If you can wait until your block expires and then begin posting on the talk page of the article to discuss your changes, then we can talk about your concerns. But if you keep evading your block, it will continue to be extended and the changes you make while blocked reverted. -- Vary | Talk 21:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Evading blocks

If you use IPs or sock puppets to evade your block again, it will be extended. -- Vary | Talk 21:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

If I can get around the blocks why would I stop?