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	The first sentence of the lead limits the scope of the article to literature written in the ], which automatically excludes everything that was written before the 18th century, or if we stretch things a bit the middle of the 17th century, since there was no ''Ukrainian'' language before then, only a dialect of the ], a language that was spoken also in other areas, including Belarus, and before the Ruthenian language came to be (when Russian split off) the language spoken within (most of) the area that now is Ukraine was Old East Slavic (''Old Ukrainian'' as a name for Ruthenian and Old East Slavic, and ''Modern Ukrainian'' as a name for the current Ukrainian language, is used only in Ukraine, but this is the English language Misplaced Pages, where articles must use current English language trems...). Automatically excluding everything that has anything to do with the Kievan Rus', which is why I removed it. I also removed blatant POV, referring to "foreign occupied Ukraine" when talking about events centuries ago, with a link to the modern day country of Ukraine, is blatant nationalistic POV (how can it be the territory of a country that didn't exist at that time?), and doesn't belong here. But has in spite of that been added back again, twice even, by {{U\|Lute88}}. - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 17:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)		The first sentence of the lead limits the scope of the article to literature written in the ], which automatically excludes everything that was written before the 18th century, or if we stretch things a bit the middle of the 17th century, since there was no ''Ukrainian'' language before then, only a dialect of the ], a language that was spoken also in other areas, including Belarus, and before the Ruthenian language came to be (when Russian split off) the language spoken within (most of) the area that now is Ukraine was Old East Slavic (''Old Ukrainian'' as a name for Ruthenian and Old East Slavic, and ''Modern Ukrainian'' as a name for the current Ukrainian language, is used only in Ukraine, but this is the English language Misplaced Pages, where articles must use current English language trems...). Automatically excluding everything that has anything to do with the Kievan Rus', which is why I removed it. I also removed blatant POV, referring to "foreign occupied Ukraine" when talking about events centuries ago, with a link to the modern day country of Ukraine, is blatant nationalistic POV (how can it be the territory of a country that didn't exist at that time?), and doesn't belong here. But has in spite of that been added back again, twice even, by {{U\|Lute88}}. - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 17:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
	: Why would you "exclude automatically"? These entities are are as related as Beowulf is to English.--Aristophile 17:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)		: Why would you "exclude automatically"? These entities are are as related as Beowulf is to English.--Aristophile 17:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
			:: Why do you use a fake, handwritten, signature, instead of your real user name, {{U\|Lute88}}? You've done it on two different pages now, in direct violation of ] (''{{tq\|"Impersonating another editor by using his or her username or signature is forbidden"}}'', and picking a username that doesn't exist doesn't change that...), obviously in an attempt to make it look as if you're supported by another user. - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 17:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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Bibliography

I suspect this section does not conform with WP:NOT?--Ymblanter (talk) 17:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Writing style

Some of the writing seems off. For example: "Taras Shevchenko, born 9 March 1814 in Moryntsi, Zvenyhorod county, Kiev Governorate, died 10 March 1861 in Saint Petersburg, Russia. Ukraine's national bard and famous artist." Shouldn't the article be written in complete sentences? Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 01:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Scope of the article, and blatant nationalistic POV

The first sentence of the lead limits the scope of the article to literature written in the Ukrainian language, which automatically excludes everything that was written before the 18th century, or if we stretch things a bit the middle of the 17th century, since there was no Ukrainian language before then, only a dialect of the Ruthenian language, a language that was spoken also in other areas, including Belarus, and before the Ruthenian language came to be (when Russian split off) the language spoken within (most of) the area that now is Ukraine was Old East Slavic (Old Ukrainian as a name for Ruthenian and Old East Slavic, and Modern Ukrainian as a name for the current Ukrainian language, is used only in Ukraine, but this is the English language Misplaced Pages, where articles must use current English language trems...). Automatically excluding everything that has anything to do with the Kievan Rus', which is why I removed it. I also removed blatant POV, referring to "foreign occupied Ukraine" when talking about events centuries ago, with a link to the modern day country of Ukraine, is blatant nationalistic POV (how can it be the territory of a country that didn't exist at that time?), and doesn't belong here. But has in spite of that been added back again, twice even, by Lute88. - Tom | Thomas.W 17:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Why would you "exclude automatically"? These entities are are as related as Beowulf is to English.--Aristophile 17:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Why do you use a fake, handwritten, signature, instead of your real user name, Lute88? You've done it on two different pages now, in direct violation of WP:SIGFORGE ("Impersonating another editor by using his or her username or signature is forbidden", and picking a username that doesn't exist doesn't change that...), obviously in an attempt to make it look as if you're supported by another user. - Tom | Thomas.W 17:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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	The first sentence of the lead limits the scope of the article to literature written in the ], which automatically excludes everything that was written before the 18th century, or if we stretch things a bit the middle of the 17th century, since there was no ''Ukrainian'' language before then, only a dialect of the ], a language that was spoken also in other areas, including Belarus, and before the Ruthenian language came to be (when Russian split off) the language spoken within (most of) the area that now is Ukraine was Old East Slavic (''Old Ukrainian'' as a name for Ruthenian and Old East Slavic, and ''Modern Ukrainian'' as a name for the current Ukrainian language, is used only in Ukraine, but this is the English language Misplaced Pages, where articles must use current English language trems...). Automatically excluding everything that has anything to do with the Kievan Rus', which is why I removed it. I also removed blatant POV, referring to "foreign occupied Ukraine" when talking about events centuries ago, with a link to the modern day country of Ukraine, is blatant nationalistic POV (how can it be the territory of a country that didn't exist at that time?), and doesn't belong here. But has in spite of that been added back again, twice even, by {{U\|Lute88}}. - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 17:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)		The first sentence of the lead limits the scope of the article to literature written in the ], which automatically excludes everything that was written before the 18th century, or if we stretch things a bit the middle of the 17th century, since there was no ''Ukrainian'' language before then, only a dialect of the ], a language that was spoken also in other areas, including Belarus, and before the Ruthenian language came to be (when Russian split off) the language spoken within (most of) the area that now is Ukraine was Old East Slavic (''Old Ukrainian'' as a name for Ruthenian and Old East Slavic, and ''Modern Ukrainian'' as a name for the current Ukrainian language, is used only in Ukraine, but this is the English language Misplaced Pages, where articles must use current English language trems...). Automatically excluding everything that has anything to do with the Kievan Rus', which is why I removed it. I also removed blatant POV, referring to "foreign occupied Ukraine" when talking about events centuries ago, with a link to the modern day country of Ukraine, is blatant nationalistic POV (how can it be the territory of a country that didn't exist at that time?), and doesn't belong here. But has in spite of that been added back again, twice even, by {{U\|Lute88}}. - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 17:28, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
	: Why would you "exclude automatically"? These entities are are as related as Beowulf is to English.--Aristophile 17:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)		: Why would you "exclude automatically"? These entities are are as related as Beowulf is to English.--Aristophile 17:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
			:: Why do you use a fake, handwritten, signature, instead of your real user name, {{U\|Lute88}}? You've done it on two different pages now, in direct violation of ] (''{{tq\|"Impersonating another editor by using his or her username or signature is forbidden"}}'', and picking a username that doesn't exist doesn't change that...), obviously in an attempt to make it look as if you're supported by another user. - '''Tom''' \| ] ] 17:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC)