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• Keltik31 (talk · contribs · logs)

Statement of the dispute

This user has been accused of disruptive behavior including uncivil statements, personal attacks, threats, and violations of neutral point of view. 21:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Description

User repeatedly makes only racist and anti-Semetic contributions. Pushes POV with nearly every edit. User is also incivil and has impersonated an administrator. --Db099221 21:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidence of disputed behavior

1. "you sound like the typical wiki pinhead" part of a long rant
2. "you're also a liberal" user page vandalism
3. "you are crazy if you think it happened" 'it' being the holocaust
4. "stay in chicago" uncivil remark
5. "wierdo guy" personal attack
6. "put the crack pipe down" another personal attack
7. "He was being an uppity nigger and needed an attitude adjustment" copied this onto talk page
8. Added 'National Association for the Advancement of Colored People' to list of allegedly racist groups without discussion
9. Added 'One of the worst displays of violence was a gauntlet run by black and hispanic rioters' again without discussion
10. "the state of Israel is a terrorist nation and Ariel Sharon is a terrorist" off topic posting at 9/11 talk page

Applicable policies and guidelines

1. WP:Civility
2. WP:No personal attacks
3. WP:Neutral point of view
4. WP:Consensus
5. WP:Verifiability

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

1. User alleges Misplaced Pages's "gutless liberalism"
2. User denies making personal attacks

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

1. --Db099221 21:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
2. The real issues are personal attacks and blatant WP:V issues. If the user would be civil, not insult other editors and sourced his additions we wouldn't have nearly as serious issue with the POV. JoshuaZ 21:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
3. I have warned this user for disruptive, POV-pushing, and uncivil behavior (examples ). Since then, despite a block by another admin for personal attacks, it appears that disruptive behavior has continued (examples and especially this threat). --Ginkgo100 21:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
4. My first interaction with the user was here; involving his disputing the numbers of dead in The Holocaust. After that exchange, I took a look at the user's contributions. I hate to think the worst of someone; but there was something dark about the user's edits/contributions, when looked at not just individually, but as a whole, as a pattern. Not just the blatant POV pushing (e.g., here, here, here and here) but a deliberate, focused effort to remove the "Jewishness" from certain articles (as the user does here and here) while at the same time injecting negative (as well as factually inaccurate) POVs into other articles (e.g., here and here). In addition, the user does not seem to understand the purpose of article talk pages; using them as off-topic discussion threads and trolling ponds. I would like the user to become a responsible editor who follows policy and does not need to be watched; but unfortunately, I don't see that happening. The resources required to correct the user's edits and police their behavior are more than should have to be expended by other editors and admins. There is little or no good faith in this user's edits and contributions; sadly, just the opposite. The user appears to be a textbook boundary-pushing troll. -- weirdoactor -- 02:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
5. He first came to my attention when he asked what appeared to be legitimate questions about Catholicism . I attempted to answer his questions. It became increasingly clear that he wasn't interested in asking questions but instead was stirring the pot: just wondering where catholics get some of their practices from. if it isnt in the bible, then it isnt legit in my book. you just cant make it up as you go. As it became clearer that he was simply trying to stir things up and wasn't actually interested in learning more about Catholicism I still gave him information but pointed out that this may be an instance of trolling on his part. His response was i suggest you kiss the sunny side of my royal irish ass. trolling? is that a personal attack?. At that point, I warned him about civility. His response: is this a lecture, because i dont remember signing up for the class. When it was pointed out by another editor that talk pages really aren't the place for such a discussion his response was: i think i'll do what i want to do and wait for irish guy's response. thanks for your input though IrishGuy 22:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

1. This user edited the article Gas chamber to state that there were no autopsy results showing that anyone had been gassed during the Holocaust . I reverted that as a POV edit. He then asked on Talk:Gas chamber for autopsy results . In response to what could have been a good faith request for citations, I found and added references to the section on Nazi gas chambers - not autopsy results, of course, as those are somewhat hard to find for Holocaust victims, but other sources that were reputable and verifiable. A couple of weeks later, he returned to the talk page and again asked for autopsy results . This led to a discussion where the existing references - Nuremberg testimony, the Gerstein Report, everything any reputable historian has ever written about the Holocaust - were explained. He rejected these references and suggested other ones that supported his point of view , including an obvious Holocaust denial website and the thorougly debunked pamphlet Did Six Million Really Die. I suggested that if he really disagreed with the article and its references, he could edit it himself if he could find valid and reputable sources . He never took me up on that suggestion, but returned to the talk page to once again post questions casting doubt on the facts of the Holocaust . This editor seems to either not understand or not care about verifiability and the use of reputable sources. He also seems to prefer spending time posting and reposting talk page questions that border on trolling to actually making substantive edits to articles. Eron 22:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
2. Addhoc 17:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
3. TheQuandry 00:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC) Seems pretty clear to me.
4. G Rose 13:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC) User is biased and uncivil. Looking over his Rodney King article edits, I notice that he removed several cited statements as well as inserting his own (uncited) POV statements. As he seems to have denied every accusation of POV made against him, it appears likely that he'll continue to compromise the validity of articles until he is stopped.
5. Daniel J. Leivick 01:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC) This user has trouble relating to others and is quick to anger (possibly a troll) also blatant pusher of POV.

Response

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i reject the terms anti-semetic and racist as i am neither. becuase i provoke what i feel are inteligent discussions? because i question the "official" version of history. because i rasie thought provoking questions? i think that there is a hypersensitivity here and that there are too many people with too much time on their hands. that is my opinion. i think that the holocaust was exadgerated and that the naacp is a racist organization. i am not alone. but i am not a nazi or a klansman because of it and i resent the implication.

if you want to ban me? then ban me. Keltik31 20:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

what have i said that is racist or anti-semetic? you can lobb that accusation, but back it up. i consider that a personal attack. Keltik31 20:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

i didnt say that they werent terrorists. get your facts straight my friend. where do i say "the 9/11 hijackers were not terrorists"? am i missing something? is there something in the water i drink that makes me so far off the same page as people who make stupid claims like this? Keltik31 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

this is another fabrication of the truth. i have made edits and asked questions of other issues. this sounds more to me like a Misplaced Pages Witch Hunt than a real inquiry. Keltik31 21:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

i was not trying to stir the pot, i was just trying to understand why the faith does some of the things it does. i found you to be the one being confrontational. Keltik31 23:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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