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What is Mathematica

You need to read the Mathematica article after your edit which takes only relevant content out of the page. You leave only a single sentence (the lead summary line) that attempts to describe what Mathematic is and what it does. The rest of the article talks about how you interface to whatever it does, how fast whatever it does happens, how you can share whatever it does, how many things connect to whatever it is, and how many versions of whatever it is there have been. None of that describes Mathematica itself. You may feel there are better ways of describing it, but please don't just delete the only attempt to summarize what it is, that others have worked on, without suggesting an alternative. Also, labeling a dense summary of its functionality which contains no adjectives, adverbs or superlatives as advertising and spam, is not helpful to the discussion. I tried to address your more reasonable comment about it being too long by making it more concise and moving some content. Greenmatter (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Greenmatter, final warning. An unreferenced, bulleted feature list is advertising. When unreferenced or self-referenced material is challenged and removed, it is mandatory for each challenged statement to be referenced by a reliable and independent source prior to reinsertion. In addition, while it is permissible to briefly describe the functionality of a product, a massive, bulleted laundry list of every single feature is beyond excessive and belongs in a sales brochure, not an encyclopedia article. The content you are reinserting is absolutely not permitted. Seraphimblade 11:00, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

What is with all this aggressive "final warning": and accusations on my talk page? I haven't given you any final warnings for vandalism or accused you of being a FOSS zealot intent on damaging the page. Look at the actual content and try and make the page better...

Imagine that you are, say, an NLP developer and someone suggests you look at Mathematica. How would you know it was relevant? What if you were an engineer wanting to do FEA simulations? What if you thought it was good for quantum physics, how would you know it was not? You have rendered the page useless. The systen is around 6000 functions covering very disparate, sometimes unrelated, fields, 390 words to sum that up is not "massive" It could be shortened and certainly referenced. Why not try doing that rather than making the page empty of useful content. Please explain how you think it is better to have no information at all? Greenmatter (talk) 17:41, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Greenmatter, the reason you are receiving those messages is because your editing is very reminiscent of paid editing without the mandatory disclosure, which I deal with frequently and am quite good at recognizing. While editing for pay is not forbidden, editing for pay without disclosing that you are being paid is. So before we continue further, are you being paid or compensated to edit Misplaced Pages, including being asked or expected to do so as a duty of employment or internship? Seraphimblade 18:11, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

No. Now ask yourself if your 'reds under the beds' radar is why you won't talk about the state you have left the page in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenmatter (talk • contribs) 07:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, then we shall say it is...interesting, that a long-dormant account came back after several years to add promotional content to an article about a commercial product. That being said, the content is promotional and not permitted. In an article about software, a prose summation of a few of the most notable features of the software may be okay. A bulleted laundry list of every feature of the software is absolutely not, as it is promotional. If you can find some independent and reliable sources that discuss the most notable features of the software, please do write prose, not a bullet list, that sums up what they had to say. Seraphimblade 17:17, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm not going to try and write new content that will get deleted. As far as I can see, listing features is pretty normal on software pages (5 of the 7 I looked at), but you may wish to go and delete all of the following too Features_new_to_Windows_10 * Adobe_Photoshop#Photoshop_tools * Google_Chrome#Features * Microsoft_Edge#Features * SageMath#Features — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenmatter (talk • contribs) 19:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Editor assistance

Hello Seraphimblade! I'm writing to you as I found your name in the Editor assistance project (sorry, I don't know how to link it). I wanted to ask if you could help me by answering some questions from time to time. Or maybe advice where I can get such help if you are no longer involved. I'm new here and I learn better face-to-face. I've already asked several questions in the Teahouse, but I don't know if I should spam it every time I need help (at least that's how I perceive it). I would really appreciate your help.Less Unless (talk) 14:57, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Less Unless, you seem to be doing well so far, and don't worry about asking questions at the Teahouse—that's literally what it's there for, and what you've already posted there has been entirely appropriate. If you'd rather ask me though, you're welcome to do that too. Seraphimblade 19:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Seraphimblade Thank you for cheering me up. I will then write more to the Teahouse, but hope to call on you for help sometimes (promice I'm not annoying )).Less Unless (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Neutrality

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Could you tell me where Misplaced Pages policy declares legal verdicts to be binding or correct? Boris Berezovsky`s page also doesn`t say he is actually guilty of embezzling does it? 83.128.99.144 (talk) 16:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Please confine discussion of article content to the article talk page, and do not use my talk page for it. Seraphimblade 16:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Also since you are an Atheist, Liberal and homosexual rights supporter I request you recuse yourself from edits involving someone like Pell who stands for everything you are opposed to. 83.128.99.144 (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

No. Seraphimblade 16:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

You were the one who started edit warring. You have not cited any wikpedia guidelines. Also don`t bother me on my page if you don`t want me to do so either. 83.128.99.144 (talk) 16:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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Simple request

Could you do a bit more editing on the 2019 outbreak of lung illness linked to vaping products article? QuackGuru is about to flip his lid on me I feel Mfernflower (talk) 23:48, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I will continue to work on it as I have time, but I'm afraid I can't guarantee when that will be. Seraphimblade 03:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Once again, the article was flooded with more un-encyclopedic but not necessarily disruptive edits from the usual suspect Mfernflower (talk) 15:38, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

As the header at the top of this page clearly instructs, please discuss article content on the article talk page, not this one. Seraphimblade 15:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)