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October 2019

Your recent editing history at Serbs of Croatia shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

An extended welcome

Hi Mikola22. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I've added a welcome message to the top of this page that gives a great deal of information about Misplaced Pages. I hope you find it useful.

Additionally, I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Misplaced Pages: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Misplaced Pages by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily.

Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Misplaced Pages's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.

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Some topic areas within Misplaced Pages have special editing restrictions that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant policies and guidelines.

I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again. --Ronz (talk) 20:31, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm learning a little bit, greeting.Mikola22 (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

October 2019

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Serbs of Croatia, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. Denisarona (talk) 14:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived

Hi Mikola22! You created a thread called Relevant evidence. at Misplaced Pages:Teahouse, but it has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days. You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please create a new thread. Archival by Lowercase sigmabot III, notification delivery by Muninnbot, both automated accounts. You can opt out of future notifications by placing {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}} (ban this bot) or {{nobots}} (ban all bots) on your user talk page. Muninnbot (talk) 19:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

November 2019

Your recent editing history at Croatian Orthodox Church shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:21, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

November 2019 – some advice

I was about to give you a warning about edit war, but I see that you have already got two such warnings, the latest today. Please read them carefully and study the linked information, especially WP:EDITWAR, WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BRD.

In addition, I would like you to learn more about how Misplaced Pages uses sources. It seems that you in some cases are trying to "prove" things by making your own analysis of old sources. That is not how Misplaced Pages is creating an encyclopedia; it is called original research, and you can read about it at WP:OR. Instead Misplaced Pages is presenting information that is produced by experts (i.e. historians), what Misplaced Pages calls reliable sources. Please read more about that at WP:RS. --T*U (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

So far I have provided information based on books written by historians,

what exactly is it about? Mikola22 (talk) 16:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I think it is clear from RSN this may not in fact be the case. I suggest you might re-direct your energy to less contentious edits/topics.Slatersteven (talk) 17:21, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Please read wp:not and wp:nothere.Slatersteven (talk) 17:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

And thinking about your edits wp:spa may be relevant. If you are taken to the edit war notice board right now I doubt it will go well for you.Slatersteven (talk) 17:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks buddy, i thought Misplaced Pages only came up with true information, this is chaos. How much in Misplaced Pages exist incorrect data it is incredible. Mikola22 (talk) 17:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Last word of advice, change this attitude and read wp:v, no we do not deal in truth. Also wp:fringe maybe of benefit.Slatersteven (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

To answer your question what exactly is it about that was directed to me, I will be specific: You are claiming in Talk:Sokollu Mehmed Pasha that there are no historical documents calling him a Serb. That may be true, but it is irrelevant, since we have several (actually lots of) historians telling us he was Serb. They are reliable sources, se WP:RS. On the other side, your arguments for him being Croat is based on your personal analysis from original documents and based on his words. That is the definition of original research, see WP:OR. In addition to my reading list above, I will add one more: Please also read WP:SYNTH. --T*U (talk) 17:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

But there is no historical record in which it written that he is a Serb, an American historian speaks of him as a Croat because he found in the archive that he was Croatian or from Croatia, why he is not Croatian? If some historian or encyclopedia claims that he is a Serbian origin and there is no original information that speaks of him as a Serbian then it is not relevant evidence. In Croatia we have never heard that he is a Serbian, only that he is Orthodox from Bosnia. What connection did Orthodox have with the Serbs at that time and that is the answer, this is why it is Serbian because it is Orthodox, but it is not history. Half of eastern Herzegovina switched to Orthodoxy, are they originally Serbs as well? How many Croats have switched to orthodoxy in Bosnia or Croatia in the Turkish era are they all Serbs. Mikola22 (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

"In Misplaced Pages, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Misplaced Pages does not publish original research" I read Misplaced Pages article of Serbian history in Croatia, and? Not one source has historical evidence that Serbs are coming to Croatia(western Slavonia to the Dubrovnik area) and what I learned from Misplaced Pages and RS, nothing. But the problem is that most peoples don't know historical facts like I do, and I wanted to change that because students, Croatian emigrants etc are reading this. There is no change and that's it. Mikola22 (talk) 17:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

This is a warning, if you continue to try and push wp:or I will report you as wp:nothere.Slatersteven (talk) 10:13, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Slatersteven (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Orthodox Croats

Hello, Mikola22

Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I edit here too, under the username Slatersteven and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Orthodox Croats, should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Orthodox Croats.

You might like to note that such discussions usually run for seven days and are not ballot-polls. And, our guide about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

If you have any questions, please leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Slatersteven}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ . Thanks!

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Slatersteven (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Orthodox Croats

Hello, Mikola22

Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I edit here too, under the username Slatersteven and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Orthodox Croats, should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Orthodox Croats.

You might like to note that such discussions usually run for seven days and are not ballot-polls. And, our guide about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

If you have any questions, please leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Slatersteven}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ . Thanks!

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Slatersteven (talk) 19:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive edit

What do you think you are doing? With this edit, you removed my and another editor's edits from the discussion. That is disruptive. Do not do that again. --T*U (talk) 20:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)