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	:Yup, I guess it is about the old argument "human awareness is what collapses the wave function". ] (]) 14:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)		:Yup, I guess it is about the old argument "human awareness is what collapses the wave function". ] (]) 14:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
	::I've amended this statement slightly as it's not what the cited article says - it puts it the other way round: "...~~who~~ do not believe that consciousness has a role in quantum theory", which is important as it subtly (but importantly) changes the meaning. In the article it is talking about consciousness being an active agent in creating reality - which physicists generally no longer think is the case. The other way round it would be saying that quantum theory is not involved with process which give rise to consciousness - this is not the conclusion of the article, and indeed is still an area of active research. ] (]) 08:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)		::I've amended this statement slightly as it's not what the cited article says - it puts it the other way round: "...do not believe that consciousness has a role in quantum theory", which is important as it subtly (but importantly) changes the meaning. In the article it is talking about consciousness being an active agent in creating reality - which physicists generally no longer think is the case. The other way round it would be saying that quantum theory is not involved with process which give rise to consciousness - this is not the conclusion of the article, and indeed is still an area of active research. ] (]) 08:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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Recent edit warring smacks of WP:PROFRINGE. Tgeorgescu (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

"today most physicists are realists who do not believe that quantum theory is involved with consciousness"

This statement is too general. Not involved how? Roger Penrose is a "realist", has specifically said he dislikes the idea of consciousness being primary or fundamental, but is well known for promoting the idea that QM is involved in consciousness. --15:53, 5 October 2019 (UTC)Derwos (talk)

Yup, I guess it is about the old argument "human awareness is what collapses the wave function". Tgeorgescu (talk) 14:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I've amended this statement slightly as it's not what the cited article says - it puts it the other way round: "...do not believe that consciousness has a role in quantum theory", which is important as it subtly (but importantly) changes the meaning. In the article it is talking about consciousness being an active agent in creating reality - which physicists generally no longer think is the case. The other way round it would be saying that quantum theory is not involved with process which give rise to consciousness - this is not the conclusion of the article, and indeed is still an area of active research. Seajay (talk) 08:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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