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Can I somebody give information about ethnic composition of this area between wars? Luka Jačov 11:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

This is hard, in part because of the lack of sources ... and also because it was under Soviet control for most of the time (Soviet stats not being the most reliable). I did some lookups for you and I found some info on Tiraspol, but not on the rest of Transnistria. Tiraspol. It was heavily Jewish with 27 percent of the city's population being Jews at the turn of the century. This was one of the reasons why, in WWII, Romanian fascists went past the natural border of Greater Romania (crossing the Dniester into Transnistria) and the war slogan "Jews into the Dniester" was born. - Mauco 18:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Update to the above: I found some data which DOES list ethnic composition between the wars. It is posted at http://www.pridnestrovie.net/images/historicpopulation.gif and shows census numbers for 1926 (for all of MASSR) and 1936 (for Transnistria). It is part of this page: http://www.pridnestrovie.net/2004census.html - Mauco 11:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Your stats are useless in the context of this article, because they only cover the MASSR -- a small part of the Transnistria we are talking about. Moreover, I would expect the stats to be biased by the desire of the Soviets to show how many Moldovans were on the MASSR territory. Dpotop 16:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Romanian occupation of Transnistria 1941-1944: killings of Jews

In October - November 1941 Romanian troops killed in Odessa about 30 thousand Jews. Many Jews have been deported in Transnistria from Bessarabia and Bukovina. 200 thousand Jews were victims of Romanian occupation of Transnistria (Odessa and Pridnestrovie) 1941-1944. Ben-Velvel 23:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Eminescu

This article is about the period of WW2. Eminescu was dead at that time, which is the relevance to add a line from his poetry? Mauco, you don't know about Romanian nationalism, anyway. Why you start edit wars and then you ask others to stop?--MariusM 16:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Romanian nationalism is not just defined by Romanians. This is English Misplaced Pages, and other editors of other nationalities can bring their knowledge to bear on the matter, too. Eminescu was (at the time of these events) the leading national poet of Romania. In his ode, which is cited, he specifically dealt with where the land of "The Romanians" started and where it ended; not just historically and as per the borders, but in the national psyche of the Romanians at the time. It is therefore very relevant as an example of what, in the context, was seen as Romania's lebensraum and their birthright, just as the concept of lebensraum is also central to understanding the expansionist actions of their allies - Nazi Germany - in the same war. Summary: It is factually accurate AND very relevant, and it must stay. - Mauco 17:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Which was "the height of Romanian nationalism"? I think it was exactly in WW2, not in the time of Eminescu. Non-Romanian editors can bring knowledge about Romanian nationalism only if they have knowledge on this subject, something that i suspect you are missing. This article is not about poetry, anyway.--MariusM 22:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. The height of Romanian nationalism took place at that time. What lead to the height? Among other things, the build-up created by Eminescu. I would recommend that you read serious Western historians, such as Charles King, please. His scholarship cover the period, the area, and the setting which will show you why Eminescu is entirely appropriate, just as the events which lead to the whole Lebensraum concept. - Mauco 23:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to see that you agree that the height of Romanian nationalism was during WW2. That mean you agree also that your adition "Even at the height of Romanian nationalism, the Dniester/Nistru was considered the eastern boundary of the Romanian lands", quoting as source Eminescu is misleading. There were plenty of articles in Romanian press during WW2 claiming that Eastern boundary of the Romanian lands are East of Dniester. You should go to a Romanian public library and check newspapers from WW2 period.--MariusM 23:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

And this means that you can delete the reference to Eminescu? I do not follow your logic. It does not makes sense at all. Surreal. Please explain. - Mauco 23:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

"Soviet genocide"

What does the so-called "Soviet genocide" have to do with this article? Did it specifically take place in occupied Transnistria, and no where else? And did it happen in World War II? What is the relevance? If it is for "background", then the next question is: Background to WHAT exactly? To show that the Romanian invasion was somehow justified, and the killing of hundreds of thousands of Jews in the Romanian holocaust? Not a single loss of life is ever justified by the loss of another life, never. I am disgusted to my bones by the editor who wants to include this. - Mauco 00:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)