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American Civil Rights Movement

Hi there, I saw your comment on wikipedia's "American Civil Rights Movement Article." I proposed that the article's name should be changed to "African American Civil Rights Movement" because i believe wikipedia's article discusses solely the movement of the African-American movement; it does not include other civil rights group such as the labor movement, mexican-americans, native americans, and the feminist movement. If i could get your support in re-naming the article, i would really appreciate it. Thanks again.

Cheers --Vircabutar 07:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, I said "This page should also mention the struggle of other ethnicities". That was before the page was renamed to include the years. Now I'd rather abstain. From how I understand MLK, i think he would have rather seen as one movement, independent of race. But I don't have a strong opinion on the name. — Sebastian 07:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

citation guidelines comments

I have responded to your comment on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics. I copied it to and responded at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Physics/Citation guidelines proposal. Thanks! –Joke 17:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Pacific Northwest name issue

Hi; will email later. Just a quick note re a new post of mine at Talk:Pacific Northwest, trying to summarize; thought you might find it interesting, or would have something to add.Skookum1 23:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Secession work

Sebastian: I noticed your work on pages linking to Category:Secession in the United States; I've been working on a project like that, but I want to have input on it long before I would make it a "real" page. The link is User:Scoutersig/secession, and I would appreciate your words. Scoutersig 15:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that; I have no idea why I didn't see that you added a comment; perhaps it just got covered up with other watchlist pages--who knows? I'd think that putting them all in one category is like having a category for 'mammals'... wait, we have one of those... actually, that's kind of neat, with the whole sub-category thing going on there... hrm... I wonder how to make sub-categories? Scoutersig 16:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Subcategories are very easy to make. Just add the mother category to the subcategory, as you do in an article. The harder part is choosing appropriate categories. Some people get very upset when you classify their pet project in a way they feel is wrong. The area "secession" is probably prone to that, too, so I recommend perusing Misplaced Pages:Categorization first. — Sebastian 17:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's stay here. Thanks for your help. I will let you know how/when/if it goes! Scoutersig 17:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow... It looks like all of my work is, well, done already. I suppose I'll just have to learn to read and use categories correctly, or I wouldn't have put so much effort into this. It's not a waste, though: it's for the Good of the Order! Thank you for your help and guidance. Scoutersig 07:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I could be of service. It's not every day that one receives thanks for guidance from a scout.  ;-) — Sebastian 07:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

pacific northwest

no, no, you're deletion was totally valid. You explicitly asked users not to divert from the topic at hand and not to comment on other editors. I didn't read your instructions, so I didn't notice. I get along quite well with Skookum, but I've seen him tear strips off enough people that I thought I'd show some sympathy for the other guy, and encourage skookum to be a little more civil in the future. Still, it wasn't necessary, and may have had the opposite effect that I intended. thanks for moderating. -- TheMightyQuill 01:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, guys, I did track down your debate after following clues; thing is people take me as insulting when I'm not trying to be; yeah, it's choice of language and tone, and there are things that do piss me off and I find insulting in various lines of argument/topic, and I'm not about to mince words in some cases (nor, as someone has commented about me in real life, do I "suffer fools gladly"). Even in regular conversation people think I'm lecturing or being arrogant when all I'm doing is answering a question (thoroughly); mind you it doesn't help that I'm 6'5" 250 lbs and people already have their backs up on meeting me (I look like a should be a logger/hockey player type, and I'm the exact opposite). So I'm not a big scary sasquatch, even though I get taken that way; I'm a big friendly-fuzzy sasquatch - with a sharp tongue. Old habits from UseNet die hard, too - which is where the never giving in/backing down comes from. I've actually mellowed with age ;-=Skookum1 02:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I know from my own experience here that emotions can raise easily. Only recently a friend recommended a wikibreak, and I just switched my focus, which helped a lot. I'm not as tall as you are, but I have a natural furrow between my eyes which makes me look like I'm frowning, even when I'm not. That has caused some similar misunderstandings until someone was frank enough to tell me. — Sebastian 03:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Cascadia edit

You're a brave man, that's all I can say. Cascadia has been lovingly worked over by Cascadia independence types for a while now; expect a reversion, and we'll see who weighs on on the Talk Page ;-) Skookum1 02:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your warning. Actually, I don't expect it. I did not disturb the movement part of the page but even fixed a bug with a picture and adjusted the layout. Moreover, someone who is an active part of the Cascadian movement participated in the discussion and agreed with the split. I think it's a win-win situation: They can work even more lovingly on the page without the interference of people who would rather see less about the movement on the Cascadia page. — Sebastian 03:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Original Barnstar
		For bravery, boldness, civility, competence and superior mediation skills used while editing Pacific Northwest, Cascadia and related topics. Katr67 02:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

=^def

Hi Sebastian. I just need to register (again) my strong objection to =^def. This is a non-standard symbol, replacing standard symbols which are clear enough, and should be supplemented with words, anyway. I don't think a sufficiently broad poll was taken; even within that poll, it doesn't look like a consensus has been reached. I really dislike seeing this appear everywhere. I've commented more on the discussion page. --MOBle 19:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sebastian, please do not alter any more thermodynamics or statistical mechanics articles to include the =^def symbol instead of \equiv. There is no consensus on \equiv, and standard texts do not use this new symbol you have introduced but do use \equiv. This jihad against symbols that have been used for decades if not a century in the standard literature must end. If you feel the usage of \equiv is not sufficiently widely understood, then you should feel free to explain in the prose what it means. I will repeat, there is not a consensus to do this, as is evinced by the large number of people who have not agreed. Consensus doesn't mean "listen to some people and not others". Mass changes, especially in subjects that have used this notation for long periods of time, are not reasonable without said consensus. --Pmetzger 00:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

This has all been properly discussed on discussion page; I waited sufficiently long for everybody to voice their concerns there. If you read that discussion, you may notice that I agreed about a week ago to not edit anything in this area for now, and I have kept my word since. So there's really no reason to be so upset now. Also, please keep the discussion on that page, I don't see a reason to spread it out over several different pages, and if you have a good argument, everybody should see it. — Sebastian 00:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Greetings from Redmond

Hi. Thanks for the note, and the link to alternative giving. I don't immediately see anything I can add, but I've put it on my watchlist, and I'll be thinking about it over the next month I'm sure. "It's beginning to look a lot like...," as they say, esepecially with this snow.

I'll see you around. :o) -GTBacchus 22:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Citations

The important parts of a news citation are the publication, date, title, and (if any) byline. They are the vital information that allow readers to locate the cited article in newspaper archives, such as microfiche records. The URL is a bonus. That the URL changes is not a reason to remove perfectly good citations. Avoid FUTON bias. Uncle G 12:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Only a perfectly dead link is a perfectly good link! ;-)
But thanks for pointing this out. It's quite some time since I last read WP:REF. How do you interpret WP:REF#What to do when a reference link "goes dead"? Is it documented enough when someone mentions it in an edit summary (as I did in the old page), or should there be a comment? BTW, someone else asked a related question - would you be able to answer that? Thanks, — Sebastian 17:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

re: ArbCom Questions for Paul August

Hi Sebastian. I've answered your question. Thanks for asking. Paul August ☎ 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Portfolio

Thanks for letting me know; however, I'm really not sure what you're looking for in the portfolio. I'm hesitant to reduce complex situations down to a single diff or link to a page, and other situations I'm hesitant to link to because of confidentiality issues as a mediator. I think, though, that my statement and questions page should provide a general picture of my previous activities. Please don't hesitate to let me know if that's not what you're looking for. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 03:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Generally, I'm looking for anything that a candidate can bring to the table. But you got plenty to show! Your Signpost contributions alone show that you have a good understanding of this job. I'll add one of them to the table for now.

I wasn't aware confidentiality was an issue, since I thought these mediations took place in the open. I also take your point that a simple link doesn't do a good candidate justice. For now, I don't want to change the format of the table, but next time I'll start this sooner, and we'll find a collaborative consensus to either ditch the column or find a more appropriate way to present this information. — Sebastian 17:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That's a great idea. Too many people I think are making their decision based on candidate statement alone (in fact, I left my candidate statement intentionally uninformative... so it's probably a terrible judgement tool to use :D ). Well I keep a list of all my previous MedCab cases... I can't recall any that I felt I did an awesome job with. The entire list is at the top of my questions page, if that helps any. Tell me if you'd like more info. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 23:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool! For the moment, I will just simply link to that list. I will look at the cases later, and if you like I can pick my favorites. — Sebastian 23:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever works for you. Oh, and thanks a bunch for the comment. That's exactly the kind of attitude I take on these kinds of things.

Here's a list of some useful pages and some of the more active disputes:

• Talk: Macedonism
• User talk:The prophet wizard of the crayon cake/Archive 2 <--- That paticular archive has a lot of mediation stuff

• Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-24 Tewfik harrassment of Cerejota
• Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-16 Disemvoweling
• Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-05 Misplaced Pages:WOT#Mediation at User talk:The prophet wizard of the crayon cake
• Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-05 Bullshit <-- My very first mediation... on the case page itself
• Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-13 Conservatism#The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake's super amazing solution proposal <-- eww... that was a nasty dispute.

The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for this list. How about if you put the list, with your explanations, in one place together and linked to it from the summary table? I don't know the election procedure well enough, but maybe you could even amend your statement page (sounds OK to me as long as you make that clear and add a date), in which case we wouldn't even have to change the summary table. — Sebastian 23:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being civil

I wanted to drop you a note and let you know that I appreciate your civility. While I disagree with your views on the notation initiative we've been discussing, I also appreciate the fact that you've patiently explained your position again and again and that you haven't lost your cool with some of the editors who have gotten a bit vehement. Thanks! VectorPosse 23:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you - that's encouraging! Thanks to users like Paul August I'm learning how to take such situations as a chance to grow. — Sebastian 23:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well rounded education

Hi left a follow up discussion here. Thanks for any insight. -- Stbalbach 14:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Philanthropist

Give me a shout when you AfD Philanthropist, thanks. Rklawton 13:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

A Question?

You blanked the notices on User talk:Username, stating that the user had been permanently blocked, yet, upon checking the block log, the user is not currently blocked. Kukini 20:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Kukini, if you come back here again: I wonder why you wrote "blanked": I never blanked it, but replaced the text with an explanation. Did it appear blanked to you? — Sebastian 22:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

please explain. Kukini 20:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict:) Oh, I see. Sorry about that. What should we do about the many wrong links that go here? — Sebastian 20:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure, but the talk page should remain. You can ADD a notice to it if you like, but best to unlink whatever links you see as problematic. Kukini 20:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I reverted to your version. Let's move this conversation on that page - it's a talk page, after all. — Sebastian 20:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

A thought, if you are referring to "what links here" on that talk page, all of our talk pages have many pages that link to them. See yours for example. Is this what you are referring to? Kukini 21:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. And many of them are erroneous. Why don't we discuss this on the appropriate talk page? — Sebastian 21:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Because I was talking to YOU, not that user. Best, Kukini 21:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I see the distinction you're making. I was anxious to not discuss that user's user page behind their back, but I see now that you agree with me on that. — Sebastian 21:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I am always a fan of transparency. But..the links to which you refer are not the doing of that user. Kukini 21:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly! That's what I wanted to point out in the box. If that isn't clear, you can maybe think of a better wording. (And please, let's move that part of the discussion to that talk page. It is about that user, and directly about that page, now.) — Sebastian 22:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

template for false & misleading edit summaries

Beautiful! Thanks -- you're genius. (And now I see what was happening & what I was doing wrong.) (xposted on Usertalk template talk) --LQ 18:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. I'm sure you'll be doing the same soon, too :-) — Sebastian 19:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Gothic Metal

In case yew were wondering, im the highly experienced editor Leyasu - also known as the rogue bandit of Soulseek. Im pretty infamous for being banned permenantly as a matter of policy from violating them to show favouritism by admins for users who agree with them.

But non the less - it was a vandalistic edit, and he didnt seem to do it in bad faith. Hence why i reverted and messaged him. When yew say weird things are going on, what do yew mean? I might be able to, lend a hand. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.161.138 (talk) 01:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

See Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Three months of disruptive behavior by admin Deltabeignet — Sebastian 01:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Well he just banned my other ip (the one i left the comment above with) so i couldnt talk to yew. Then went straight back to the Gothic Metal article and blanked it again, which ive reverted. Apart from it being cited information in accordance with WP:CITE, blocking me so i cant talk to yew is a bit far.

So, what can we do about this, as everyone knows i can always get back on Misplaced Pages, im the rogue bandit, the character. Alas i prefer to do more good than bad, and, well, this guy Delta is just not doing good by blanking articles and disrupting the place. I might be a sockpuppet, i might be a character, but lest i aint using no admin powers just to cause trouble. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.157.69.113 (talk) 04:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Now that guy has a series of admins using me being a sockpuppet as an excuse to blank the article, getting them to revert back to his blanking. Could use some help in this regard, in someone explaining to the rogue admins and stopping them blanking the article without meaning to.