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Jeff Rosenbaum

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Apparently written by the subject of the article, no outside sources, questionable notability. HighInBC 19:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Speedy Delete - Autobiographical, directly copied from subject's bio here. If it's not self-penned it's a copyvio. However, users edit history and comments about self makes it pretty clear to me it's self-penned. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 19:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

addendum - However, edit history and diffs should stay accessible via some means while other actions against user are in progress. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 21:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Admins will have access to a deleted article, what is needed is a mention on the user's talk page that the article they wrote was deleted. HighInBC 21:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - Violates WP:AB, WP:NN, WP:COI, self-aggrandizing.

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Rosencomet, the creator of this entry has violated everyone of these policies. - WeniWidiWiki 20:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom and others. TSO1D 21:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: This and related articles are the subject of a pending Request for arbitration. Newyorkbrad 22:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vain vanity in vain. Danny Lilithborne 22:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - multiple interviews and media appearances meet WP:BIO. Also, it is not a copyvio as ACE gave permission to contribute text from their speaker bios to Misplaced Pages. —Hanuman Das 23:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Note - And who was it who gave this permission? --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 23:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment Who or where was permission given from ACE? I must have missed this. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 23:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

It's around somewhere. The person who wrote the bios gave permission, IIRC, which clearly is their right to give. —Hanuman Das 23:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

As in, Rosencomet gave himself permission to re-post what he had written for the rosencomet.com website here on Misplaced Pages. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 23:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, hun, you know what they say about assumptions, it makes an ass out of u & me. —Hanuman Das 23:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

For the record, HD, I am not your "hun". This attempt at belittling another editor, and your calling other editors "asses" violates WP:CIVIL. Of course, you are free to call yourself whatever you like. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 03:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention that Hanuman Das screwed up the joke, Biff Tannen-style. --Calton | Talk 05:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete --Pigman (talk • contribs) 23:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, I don't see how this meets WP:BIO. All the cites sources and media apears to be trivial in nature.--Isotope23 03:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per above and per nom. Mattisse 03:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, was interviewed along with other notable neopagans in RE/Search special edition on Modern Pagans: an Investigation of Contemporary Ritual (Re/Search) by V. Vale & John Sulak. This is a litmus test for notablity in the neopagan community. Notability is not an issue, regardless of what other issues there may be. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 17:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to disagree. Modern Pagans is representative of "pop-paganism" and the commercialization and co-opting of neopaganism by profiteers and people with political agendas. Comparing Rosenbaum along side the lives and works of other personalities in the book like Isaac Bonewits, Ronald Hutton or Margot Adler, I'd still have to conclude that he is not notable. He holds a BA and his claim to fame is being a venue promoter - as per his own autobiographical entry. - WeniWidiWiki 18:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment - I've been involved in the Pagan community since the early '80s, and know many of the people in the Re/Search book (ironically enough, I'm also in it), as well as some of the folks involved in its production. However, I have *never* heard *anyone* refer to the book as any sort of "litmus test for notability". Vale and John interviewed a number of people they met at Starwood, and those they knew through friends in California. It is very focused on the West Coast and a particular subset of the Neopagan community, and while interesting for what it is, I never heard anyone involved in the project refer to it as an attempt to focus on those who are "notable". Some in the book are quite notable, others are simply people they thought were interesting or who were friends of theirs. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 19:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The litmus test for notablity is this AfD. HighInBC 18:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete this autobiography from a serial spammer. If the subject is genuinely notable (possible) we can wait until a neutral third party decides to write an article. It's going to be virtually impossible to have a rational debate about the thing until after the RfArb closes, and in the mean time this is vanispamcruftisement. Guy (Help!) 17:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per JzG. Not all that notable to begin with, and the self-authored vanispamcruftisement ain't helping matters. --Calton | Talk 05:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, started as an autobiography, but notable. Fred Bauder 14:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable per Fred Bauder. Frater Xyzzy 21:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This article is well researched, well referenced, and goes far beyond any bio existing elsewhere. The references include books, newspapers, and well-respected journalists like Paul Krassner. There's a discography and a list of media appearances. The attempt to delete is not, IMO, based on the quality of the article or the notability of the subject, but is part of a multi-front attack on the author during an ongoing mediation. If someone else had written it, these calls for deletion would not have been made. Rosencomet 03:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • From WP:AFD "Please disclose whether you are an article's primary author or if you otherwise have a vested interest in the article." --BostonMA 20:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I assure you this nomination is not an attack on you, but an attempt to gather consensus on what I feel to be an article not meeting our standards. If someone else had written it, it wouldn't be in violation of WP:AUTO and WP:COI. HighInBC 04:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Jeff Rosenbaum is a MAJOR part of the neopagan scene in the Northeast (and, because of the size of Starwood, nationally); his work for the last 3 decades holding Starwood together is a huge contribution to that scene. He is responsible for putting together MANY notables who would not otherwise be working together. As a regular Starwood and WInterstar speaker, I write from experience. Rosenbaum's work is one of the main reasons the Church of the SUbGenius relocated from Texas to Cleveland, and (just as one example of hundreds) my current work as an instructor with Robert Anton Wilson's Maybe Logic University would not have happened had Rosenbaum not invited both RAW and myself to events in the past. Although Jeff is not known as a writer, especially, he is most certainly known very widely as an organizer -- not just a promoter. He is as important to the neopagan community as any of the (hundreds of) speakers and writers he has brought to the ACE events. If Larry Harvey is notable for Burning Man then Jeff Rosenbaum is certainly notable for Starwood! I do not understand why there is so much resistance to listing a person who is definitely one of the primary movers in the East Coast neopagan movement. RevStang 09:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment This is the above user's 9th edit. --BostonMA 15:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• keep This subject should not be deleted as I think it is notable enough to stay Nialofbork 17:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

— Nialofbork (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. HighInBC 17:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per above, user is notable... regardless of the fact who originally wrote this, it needs NPOVing and some clean up... not deletion.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 11:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per various keep arguments above. Jefferson Anderson 17:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The first edit for the above editor is 4 Dec. 2006 --BostonMA 18:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

COMMENT - I think it is inappropriate for BostonMA and HighInBC to try to discredit or trivialize the votes of some of those above with comments about how long they've been editors or how many edits they've made, and I think these comments should be taken down. Rosencomet 19:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Single purpose account, this is a common practice accepted by the community. Neither of us has said these people are not credible, but simply have pointed out they are very new to the project. Any inference drawn from that statement is unrelated to the post that the user is new. HighInBC 20:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Except that this is NOT a single-purpose account, see my contribs. Jefferson Anderson 20:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Nobody said you were, BostonMA only said The first edit for the above editor is 4 Dec. 2006, which the logs show as true. Saying something that is true about another editor is not some sort of insult to you. Nobody has attacked your as a person, BostonMA has simple made a note to help the closing admin. The experience and history of those casting opinions should be taking into account. This is not a vote, but a discussion. HighInBC 20:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per above - user is notable, article could use some clean-up, but subject is plainly worth including — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.168.211.13 (talk • contribs) 11:42, December 21, 2006 (UTC) (1 edit in contributions)

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