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RE: Spoiler

Please use spoiler tags when discussing, well, spoilers, in your articles. Thank you, -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Which is what we did... Trampikey 22:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think spoiler warnings apply to soap operas. See my comment on User talk:Gungadin. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Cornell student project completed

Many thanks Piotrus for your excellent advice and support, which helped us launch the project smoothly. The students enjoyed writing their articles and felt that they made a worthy contribution to the engineering area. I agree; their work was not perfect but definitely advanced the area.

Our biggest technical challenges were in managing citations and images. Our biggest procedural challenge was the review process; the students were unwilling to challenge each others' work in public, so most reviews were whitewashes. (Markups in MS Word, exchanged privately, proved far more useful) We were fortunate that some experienced wikipedians stopped by to leave summary tags, usually re: categorization, wikification, image copyright, link poverty and orphan status. Thank goodness we had no wikipolitics and only a few minor vandalisms. As noted on WP:SUP (now under "Past Projects") chances are good that we'll do this again next year on a new set of topics, after running the students through an expanded suite of warm-up assignments to familiarize them with the mechanics of wiki-editing and the basics of copyvio prevention.

Best wishes for the holidays! susato 23:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Injunction

This is quick since it's a technical issue and I am just going afk: please elaborate on points 1 and 2 (less legal lingo :). Editwarring = revert war? Particulary point 2 - what is meant by 'unsolicited'? And if this mean uncivil comment or bad faith accusations, I'd stronly ask for it to be extended to article's talk space and edit summaries, where I think most problems take place.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, edit wars=revert wars. Unsolicited means unasked for. So unless you ask for Ghirla's opinion on something, he won't be able to post on your talkpage nor you on his. Basically you will be severing direct communication. To cover those other areas you mentioned, would require more explicit language against stalking and harrassment. I think this would be a bit strong and unnecessary since it is implicit, and you both understand that stalking or harassment would violate the terms. But if you feel such language is needed and Ghirla agrees, then I will add it.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 23:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Campaigning

If you continue to escalate your anti-Ghirlandajo crusade and interfere with my editing of topics on Russian history, I will have to review some Polnad-related articles, in my turn. Why not move Grand Duchy of Lithuania to Litva (Grand Duchy) and leave it there, like you did with Grand Duchy of Moscow today? --Ghirla 17:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Controversial moves should be done via WP:RM. I actually think that Grand Duchy of Moscow is an interesting alternative, but your controversial move, creation of fork, disruption of page history and accusations of bad faith to editors which try to clean up the mess (like above) are not helping you nor your case.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Since Grand Duchy of Lithuania exists, I don't see any arguments why Grand Duchy of Moscow should not. There is nothing controversial about that. Please don't try to decide for Russian editors where they want to keep their articles. --Ghirla 17:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Those articles are not yours, per WP:OWN.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo, the titles of Misplaced Pages articles are not supposed to be determined by a select few. Just because you don't see any arguments why an article should or should not be named a certain way doesn't mean there aren't any. I invite you to participate constructively in the talk page discussions instead of assuming bad faith. Appleseed (Talk) 18:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Piotrus, to this day I stayed away from your RfC. Our article's conflicts is one matter but I was hoping you got the message about your running anti-Ghirla crusades all over Misplaced Pages, especially the public pages. I see that I was wrong and you continue doing that. I lost hope that you will ever get the message on this and will post the outside view to this matter as soon as I have time to write it up. --Irpen 18:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your BOTREQ

Please respond to my query at Misplaced Pages talk:Bot requests. -- Jmax- 20:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Muscovy and Muscovites

Dear Piotrus, I just wanted to let you know that I added an English language source to the discussion page Battle of Konotop. I hope it settles it finally. Furthemore, I am willing to contribute to an unbiassed and neutral version of Muscovy and Muscovy-Poland Wars articles. Please keep me posted of all the events. Thank you. --Hillock65 22:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Wargames

We have been pushing the idea of using images of wargames to show battlefield deployments and the course of events. Our problem is that we lack maps and people able of creating battlefield maps. By chance I realized you are familiar with the topic, so I would very much appreciate your advice.

My idea was to use photos of wargames taken from a bird's eye view with colored arrows indicating troop movement. In case the symbols for the troops are figures they should be deployed, colored and equipped in a historically accurate fashion, furthermore it should be easily possible to determine their troop type and to which side they belong. This is likely suitable for premodern warfare.

Kirill Lokshin raised the issue that it may not look professional, so I'm greatly interested in using the same wargaming style which was in use among the contemporary militaries. This would make it more authentic and really professional in my opinion, especially for the early modern and modern warfare until the rise of computers.Wandalstouring 23:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem if you haven't this material. As I pointed out we are interested in quality and less in quantity. Perhaps you can help us to retrieve some material on how historic wargames looked like etc. I have heard rumours that Pyrrhus of Epirus was already using some kind of wooden miniatures to illustrate his battle plans. Furthermore I'm thinking about creating a review process for maps and wargames for accuracy and possibly some style guidelines.Wandalstouring 12:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On December 20, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Barbican of Warsaw, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Did you know? was updated. On December 22, 2006, a fact from the article Zamość Synagogue, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

AN/I advice

Thank you for the advice on the AN/I, I appreciate your sincere effort to help. I think it's a little too far gone for us to be "friends", but I would be happy with a long-standing détente :-).

The problem is, we've really pissed each other off, and it's gotten to the point where we really don't like each other very much. He pissed me off with his attitude and actions during (and after) the great PRT war of 2006, and I pissed him off when I vigorously opposed him in the arb com elections. Any little provocation on either side sets the whole thing ablaze again...

But I think it's died down again, so you probably won't be seeing any more drama on AN/I or elsewhere for a while. :-) ATren 03:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Thanks for the advice, but it was too late for that - they'd already re-reverted. Yomangani 18:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Wesołych Świąt

Cześć Piotruś! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time. - Darwinek 19:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Translation

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This page has since become obsolete and has been replaced by two userbox templates.

If you are still interested in translating, you may sign up again by using one of the following userboxes on your userpage (while changing, of course, the codes according to the languages you speak):

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List of Polish Jews

Hi Piotrus. Thanks for looking into my concern. Recently I requested sources for the American politicians stating that these people are Polish Jews. So far, all thats been added were either links to wikipedia itself or pages that say the politicians had a Polish-Jewish parent, which clearly does not make them "Polish-Jewish politicians" as described in the page title and section title. Can we get a third opinion on this? Thanks. 141.213.211.83 22:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Polish Casualties

Czeéć
::I know of no source that has the breakout of German casualties inflicted by the Polish Army in the East or by Polish Partisans. Overmnans has monthly deaths on the Eastern Front until 12/31/44 and monthly deaths for the entire war. Losses of German Police (63,462) proably include SS units fighting partisans. On the Soviet side of the ledger Krivosheev lists Soviet losses( KIA-MIA/WIA) for every major operation of the war and by yearly quarters. The losses of the Polish Armies are given a seperate line for the operations in 1944-45. Total Polish losses with the Soviets were about 24,000 (KIA/MIA) and Soviet Losses from July 44-May 45 were about 1.7 Million- about 70 times that of the Polish forces. Overmans lists 740,000 Germnan deaths in the East from July-Dec 1944, this does not include 300,000 POW. Plus from Jan-May 1945 the Germans lost 1.2 million (KIA/MIA), 80% against the Russians, 1 million dead plus about 2 million POW, in the East in 1945. In summary from July 44-May 45 the Germans lost about 3 million dead & POW , the USSR 1.7 million plus 24,000 Polish, 35,000 Romanian, 6,000 Czechoslovak and 10,000 Bulgarian allies . If you need additional information let me know--Woogie10w 10:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Polish partisan losses also included the fighting in Kresy against the Soviet Partisans and the UPA. The partisan war involved more than the struggle against the Germans.--Woogie10w 12:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

ru-sib

Thanks for notifying. When I edited the link I knew nothing specyfic - it was just an wikiarticle with the wikimedia logo. After a while and with a little help of frwiki (sic!) I found the closing vote. Actually, it looks like it will be closed soon. While now I see no reason to make edit wars about it, forcing fast delinking seems to be not quite civilized way of acting (as the consensus has not been approved). --Beaumont (@) 08:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It is providing links to a pile of profanities that is truly incivil. --Ghirla 09:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

No, it's assuming bad faith that is truly incivil.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  12:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Polish Volksdeutsche Losses in Whermacht

The other side of the coin of Polish losses is the ugly issue of those Polish citizens in the German uniform. The 1958 West German report on expellee losses listed 432,000 ethnic German war dead in addition to an unproven claim of 2.225 million civilian dead for all of eastern Europe. The Polish component of these losses was 108,000 Wehrmacht military deaths in addition to an unproven claim of 290,000 civilian deaths. Overmans does not breakout ethic German losses by country, he lists the total Volksdeutsch losses at 530,000, about 20% higher than the 1958 estimate. The Polish component of the Overmnans number may be about 120-130,000.--Woogie10w 11:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Polish POW Losses

Polish losses also included POWs. The Germans released most Polish POWS in 1940 but others were sent to labor camps, Vadim Erlikman estimates 120,000 dead in German hands. The Soviets captured 455,000 Polish soldiers in the 1939 campaign according to Krivosheev. 209,000 were released and 246,000 sent to labor camps in the interior. Erlikman estimates 130,000 Polish POW deaths in Soviet hands. This is credible view of the fact that 83,000 came out with Anders and 36,000 served in the Polish Army in the USSSR. Years ago I knew a Polish war veteran of the Anders Army who survived these camps. Based on his description of conditions in Soviet POW camps, the statistic of 130,000 dead makes sense.--Woogie10w 13:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Berestechko

I was wondering if you read my response on your question about battle of Jazłowiec. I think Ukrainians call it Battle of Berestechko. Check my discussion page. BTW. Thanks for the awards.--Hillock65 16:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The Exceptional Newcomer Award

Thanks for the Award, Piotr. Merry Christmas! Poeticbent 17:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Polish Elections Template

Hi Piotr Sorry to inform you that I have replaced your Polish elections template with my one on a couple of pages. I have been creating standardised election boxes for each country, and although your layout is impressive, it would be difficult to use it to show historical elections and also if there were two elections in one year. I have not included local or european elections as the template only covers national votes (European ones will have their own eventually). Hope you don't mind too much Number 57 18:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Xmas gift

Wesolych Swiat! (Add your own accents). --Folantin 19:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

2007

Wesołych Świąt, pojechanego Sylwestra i żeby sukces łączył się z frajdą w Wikipedii :P --Brand спойт 20:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

RFAR

Following the thread on WP:PAIN, I think we can no longer stave off arbitration: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Piotrus and Ghirlandajo. Guy (Help!) 22:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

In light of the reply you left at my talk page and the proposed arbitration, I'm offering to mediate as an alternative. Durova 00:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I've started User talk:Durova/Mediation to centralize this discussion. Durova 14:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I was wondering, if you could have a look at this. It is so inaccurate and repetitve of so many other articles, I am at a loss what to do. It seems to be more of an attack than an article actually. What are the ways to go about it? Thanks about your help.--Hillock65 01:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Request

Dear Piotrus,

I noticed that you have a lot of experience with getting articles to FA status. I have been working on the Ohio Wesleyan University page article and am trying to get it to FA status. I was wondering if you could provide some advice on how the article can be improved? Also, any contributions to it will be even more appreciated! Thank you so much for your time! I greatly appreciate it! WikiprojectOWU 01:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

yup

Although, pardon my french, je suis au courant, you're welcome on my talk page. --Beaumont (@) 19:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I admit that I had had the idea. Sooner or later I'll put there my 2 cents explaining what really worries me. Somehow reluctantly though, 'cause it's true that discussions are discouraging. --Beaumont (@) 20:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Article Rewards (from my talk page)

Think an article rewards as a bounty placed on an article. But instead of Wikimedia getting the money, I get it. User:Zscout370 19:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I did most of the changes you mentioned at the FAC I started. The only thing I didn't do is about the flag shades, because there wasn't much a debate about the colors recently, and all people said was "dark green" for the past flag. And currently, the flag shade is dark now. But thanks for the tips. User:Zscout370 19:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Wesołych Boże Narodzenie

Wesołych Boże Narodzenie

Merry Christmas

--Jadger 20:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

köszönöm!

...that's how you say "thanks" in hungarian, but you probably knew that. :) Thanks for bringing my userboxes back home! :) If you wouldn't mind trying to get my 2 barnstars next to each other instead of on top of each other, and maybe try and jam the "Jan Slota pisses me off" box in line with the rest of them, it'd be great...I'm planning on adding some more junk to my page (I'm vain as well...lol) so I might end up running back here for help again. Oh well, looks like my wikibreak is shot... K. Lástocska 22:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you're working hard! I really appreciate this, it's a nice xmas present. :) Although I would like to bring to your attention--my "this user really dislikes Jan Slota" box now says "this user is a pacifist"....K. Lástocska 23:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Motes and beams

Piotrus, who started the sarcastic exchange at Talk:Jogaila today? Please work harder at avoiding the appearance of bias. Merry Xmas. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for the above message, which is clear as mud, and rather WP:ABF-ish. However, the person who started it was you, on 23 November at 16:45 CET. Yesterday the person who restarted it was Halibutt. M.K. and Dan are continuing it. Amazing how these things run and run. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't dispute the content of the message, only the wisdom of posting it to Talk:Jogaila rather than User talk:Halibutt. If it seemed like a good idea at the time, in retrospect it should look different. If article talk pages were used only to to discuss content, that would help enormously. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I've archived the section in question. I'll have a word with Dr Dan and M.K. and see what happens. (Calgacus is friendly with Dan so I'll drop him an email and see if he replies.) As I already said, I agree with the sentiments in your message: writing a GA is not a two minute job, and it seems quite beyond most editors if you look at requests for adminship. Perhaps I'm more cynical, but I could have predicted that the replies would be the way they were. Anyway, must get back to work. I've got access to whole libraries full of books which I can't get at home in Brussels, so I better make use of them. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Of course you're right, but... Apparently spreading lies, unfounded accusations, offences, using vulgar language and all that stuff is perfectly acceptable in Misplaced Pages. Just as accusing entire groups of conspiracy basing solely on their nationality. Remember Renata? Remember Ghirlandajo, Dan, Juraune, M.K., Iulius, and countless other trolls who do it all the time? Has anyone punished them for their constant assaults on me - or you, for that matter? Nope.

But when I reply in kind, my talk page gets full instantly and my user page gets modified in a matter of minutes. Ever wondered where was Angus when Renata posted her idiotic goodbye message, in which she accused me of a zillion of nasty things without posting a single piece of evidence? Did he moderate her lies or asked her to post any diffs and links? Nope. Or maybe he did intervene when Ghirlandajo did his usual job? Nope. Did he moderate any of the people who have ever offended me? Nope.

Anyway, I'm thinking of restoring the remark at my user page. After all it's perfectly ok to blame random people for my decision to go on wikivacations. And in this case the set of people was not that random at all. //Halibutt 15:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Polish 4th Rifle Division, was selected for DYK!

On December 24, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Polish 4th Rifle Division, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 06:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Dziewanowscy

Dear Sir, Please refrain from removing my family, the Dziewanowscy, from the list of Polish Szlachta. If you have questions regarding our authenticity, please feel free to contact me via email (mkunert a-t booyastudios.com).

Respectfully Martin Kunert-Dziewanowski —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mkunert (talk • contribs) 10:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

RFAR

Hi Piotrus, Yeah, but I didn't really want to stir up the sh*t any more than it's already been stirred. I hate taking sides in nasty disputes like this and I felt that partisan finger-pointing would not be helpful, especially since you two seem like you're actually getting close to coming to a resolution (thanks to Durova.) If you like, I can put a link to my earlier post so people can read it, but I don't really want to put it back up. Up for debate though.

PS, thanks again for helping sort out my userpage yesterday, that was quite nice of you. :) Merry Christmas!! K. Lástocska 20:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK!

On December 24, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Great Synagogue (Gdańsk), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 21:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I have some small Jewish ancestry so maybe that's one reason. Another one is that in Poland there were about 3 millions Jews before the war. I was kind of shocked when I saw in Cat:Synagogues in Poland only a few articles. When I then found out that wonderful editor Slav created whole project dedicated to Polish synagogues in PL Misplaced Pages, the decision was obvious :). Also there are many beautiful churches in Poland. Many of them have own articles on PL Wiki, often with photos. They should be definitely translated to EN Wiki too but at this time, without my contribution as I have another project on sight. - Darwinek 21:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Katowice? That's not so far from me. Are you GKS fan? :)) - Darwinek 22:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

:D And good for you. :) I suppose chess matches aren't so dangerous as the football ones, especially in Polska. :)) - Darwinek 22:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure, nice people. Especially when you meet them in the middle of the night. :) - Darwinek 22:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Good phrase. Sad for you that in Polska they are more numerous and visible than in the Czech Rep.. Btw, have you considered emigration and strengthening our element polski in Zaolzie :)) ? Better place, cleaner air, better wages etc. - Darwinek 22:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Merry Christmas, Joyeaux Noël, Frohe Weinachten, Wesołych Swiąt, Linksmai Kalėdos, Весёпый Рождествόм!

Sca 22:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Xmas gift

Could your xmas gift to WP:LITH have references? Thanks. Renata 01:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

A question, again

Sorry to bother you again Piotrus, but since I am fairly new here, I would like to hear your opinion on this subject. Recently Ukrainian topics have been vindalized by a number of individuals that I have found have a lot in common. They are all recent creations and it looks like they are created by one particular purpose to vindalize Ukrainian topics as no other topics have been affected at all. Is this thing normal and allowed in Misplaced Pages? Please have a look at the activity of these users to me it is very unusual, in the least:

• User:Yarillastremenog
• User:SirMole
• User:Hcirehcok

And, by the way, Wesolych Swiat! and Merry Christmas! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hillock65 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC).