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Dom emailed the administrators to seek a determination of whether this material is acceptable within the confines of Misplaced Pages.

Problematic content

I've removed some potentially problematic sections from this article, following discussion with other admins on IRC. The sections involved make some serious allegations, and are largely unsourced, sourced using sources not allowed on Misplaced Pages (blogs and mailing list archives, for example) or sourced to opinion pages whose accuracy is at least questionable. If some more reliable sources can be assembled, please do so, but please discuss any major changes here on the talk page. --bainer (talk) 08:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

TheBainer - thank you for making this edit, the piece had become malicious. I think you will find that the history of "Domperignon" and his IP "24.69.167.172" are filled with examples of an intent to rewrite history through revionist edits targetted at a select few people. Despite his recent attempts to mask his IP and change his user profile I believe I have been to determain the identity of this person and I am confident that their political axe grinding has little place on WiKiPediA. An example of this inappropriate behaviour is the forwarding of all Misplaced Pages searches for "BC Raids" to this profile. (This should be changed too) —This unsigned comment was added by 72.57.71.225 (talk • contribs) .

FYI (all) - I have reviewed the postings of “Domperignon” and noticed that he has overlooked two important facts:

1. The Information to Obtain referenced by “Domperignon,” which was drafted in 2003, was finally released in mid 2004 with a clear statement from RCMP and Crown Prosecutor that Bornman (along with many other politically active British Columbians named in the 2003 Information to Obtain) was NOT a subject of the ongoing investigation.

2. The investigation mentioned is now complete (as of December 2004) and three individuals have been criminally charged in relation to that investigation (none of which are Bornman).

“Domperignon” has pasted together a creative, but inaccurate collection of blog entries and opinion pieces to support his proposition. To what end? We can only speculate. —This unsigned comment was added by MildlyAnnoyed (talk • contribs) .

Ok, sorry for the slow reply everyone. A few points, firstly, could everyone remember please to sign your posts on talk pages? It makes it much easier for everyone (particularly outsiders) to follow the discussion. As to the issue at hand, the reason I removed much of the content here was because it was essentially unsourced. This presents a particularly serious problem when the content discusses such a serious topic as this, and when the content is inserted into an article about a person. For a more detailed explanation of why this is a problem, see Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons.

Note that although I removed the content, there is no problem covering the raids in Misplaced Pages, provided that all content is verifiable and provided that reliable sources are cited. I have started a new page at British Columbia legislature police raids scandal, and I encourage everyone to help make that an excellent article (the article uses the <ref> reference system, see m:Cite/Cite.php for an explanation of how it works).

Finally, there should be no more edits to this article about this subject, at least until the main article on the raids scandal has reached a comprehensive standard of coverage. Please direct all your edits to that article. Thank you. --bainer (talk) 00:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the editorializing about tactics used during the Paul Martin leadership campaign. Let's leave that to the pundits and keep this encyclopedia about the facts. I also removed the Tyee link given that the author is a well known NDP political pundit.

I also question the appropriateness of including snippets of unproven allegations from police warrants. Again, this is an encyclopedia, not a compendium of breaking news about Bornman. I would suggest that we wait until all the information is out and allegations are proven or disproven before we start including them in a biography as fact. It is entirely appropriate for the CBC to report on the contents of the warrants...it was news. But this is an ongoing story where new information comes out daily. Given that, it is difficult to give a definitive account as one would expect from an encyclopedia.

I am worried that the objective here from certain posters is to write the most negative bio of Bornman rather than the most accurate.

--Sharon Rosie

Allegations, even when made by police, are still allegations. Is the new standard to add, in everyone's bio, everything they are accused of -Guilty or not? - Hammerhead

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Erik Bornman is presently articling in Toronto, Ontario. He is student member of the Law Society of Upper Canada.

Name Confusion

I gather that Bornman (with one N) was a professional name that he used. Bornmann seems to be the family name (google his brother Roy) and it is also the name that Bornmann uses now (according to his link) and would seem to be his legal name also. I suspect that it always was. So I'm going to move (rename) the article to reflect this. --JGGardiner 19:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Slander & Harrassment

Some users continue to put Misplaced Pages at risk by posting information on the "Erik Bornmann" that is simply untrue. Typically this information is sourced to political blogs and or commentators. Bornmann is Crown witness and it is evident that individuals either sympathetic to those that have been criminally charged or subscribing to different political views are attempting to ruin his credibility by making slanderous and outlandish edits to this page. This is similar to the type of activity we've seen on other wikipedia bios for political figures. This is not a court nor the floor of a legislature and these posts have no place here.

Pilot House

So what happened to Pilot House? The intro says that it became a leading firm. Since it was created only five years ago, one think that was still the case from reading the article. Is it? Does Bornmann have any involvement with them? The article is rather confusing to read because it is out of chronological order. --JGGardiner 18:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Crown Witness

I am disturbed by the fact that this has become a forum for cronies of those that have been criminaly charged to attack an individual that has come forward to testify on behalf of the crown. Misplaced Pages must be concerned by the fact that the encyclopedia is being abused in this way. I encourage others to remain vigilant in preventing this continued abuse.

--rascalpatrol 01:08, 01 December 2006 (UTC)

Sources

I recognize that not everyone understands the nature of the information available or processes associated with the BC Rail trial, but until the trial there is no certainty about the facts relating to this matter. This is the case even though theories are often tossed about in political blogs and other opinion pieces and then inappropriately added to this site. The bottom line is that unless someone has access to information currently subject to a court sealing order, they do not have the full story. -- an regular visitor to this page

Editing

Things seem to be a little heated here so I just want to remind everyone to keep things civil. Also, it isn't cool to edit someone else's comments. You really shouldn't edit a comment, other than your own, unless it is truly problematic (offensive, threatening, etc). Thanks everyone. --JGGardiner 04:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think "cool" matters much to these guys. I have nothing against Mr. Bornman, but I added a comment here that included a link to the Law Society of Upper Canada web site's information about its proceedings against him. My comment was removed. I just recalled this case while reading a Globe and Mail interview with Virk and Basi of legislature raids fame. Bornman is only notable for his involvement in the raids--quaere whether he would merit inclusion in wikipedia if it was not for his involvement. To have nothing about the raids in an article about him is a major oversight.

The above poster (who posted on Christmas day :( ) protests a little too much. He or she should also check out Misplaced Pages's policy on opinion articles. Opinion articles are not verifiable content and do not belong here. I have reviewed this page and am satisfied that Bornmann has an accomplished and varied, although still young, career, which is notable for its contribution to the Liberal Party of Canada and BC student politics. This page is not out of line with other Misplaced Pages entries. Given the traffic to this site I'm sure Bornmann would prefer if this page was taken down, but I think it should stay. I think the above poster is a little confused as to the facts surrounding the so called raids. Bornmann is a witness for the authorities, so we will not really know what his role is/was until he testifies at the upcoming trial. Speculation as to what might come out at this trial and opinion is not encyclopedic content.

SaintNickIX 10:24, 26 December 2006 (PST)

Hmmmm... it looks like the usual time-on-his-hands gremlin is back. Our funny little friend needs to find a day job

Randy3 02:38, 28 December 2006 (PST)

Photo Gallery Link?

There's no logical reason for keeping the photo gallery link, is there? It does not provide any additional information about the subject, and there is no discussion of his photography hobby anywhere in the article. I will remove it at this point, but if another editor feels it is useful, please feel free to re-add. Risker 06:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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