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October 2

(Closed) Donald Trump tests positive for COVID-19

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)

• Agree. Most powerful man in the world got infected and soon might be fighting for his life. Tgeorgescu (talk) 05:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:SNOW. If he has to resign or dies because of it, absolutely. But just catching it isn't noteworthy. Morgan695 (talk) 05:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM on Boris. The POTUS isn't a reliable source for anything. But other sources have started reporting on the tweet. Wasn't he tested before the debate? This must be a prank on Biden, LOL! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment we have NYT and a bunch of other media outlets on it now, so sourcing concerns are gone. Significance? I'm leaning support, even keeping in mind the need to think globally. I'll wait for some others to weigh in before making it a bolded !vote. {{u|Sdkb}}  05:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Note: just to be on the safe side, I have created Draft:Death and state funeral of Donald Trump. It will, of course, be needed at some point. BD2412 T 05:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Absolutely no reason for this. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • And its gone. Seriously? Spartaz 05:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
    • It's just preparation for what is eventually inevitable. I don't suppose your qualm is with the proposition that when he does die, there will be a state funeral? BD2412 T 05:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest SNOW close. C'mon...this isn't a Trump ticker. People are getting sick with COVID left and right, especially in our messed up country. Same reasoning should be applied here as with BoJo. Anything beyond him getting sick is pure speculation and violates WP:CRYSTAL ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Won't stop him tweeting. He will no doubt still find a way to "debate", for want of a better term. Not significant unless he gets genuinely ill. HiLo48 (talk) 05:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Well, well, well, age 70+, obesity and COVID-19 means he is in the danger zone. The risk of dying is considerable and the risk of living further, but with a damaged body/brain, is huge. Tgeorgescu (talk) 05:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Obviously it's a much different scenario should the president need to cede his executive authority (whether temporarily or otherwise). rawmustard (talk) 05:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Not sufficiently significant events for me, except if the president has died. 180.241.205.155 (talk) 06:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • EU and US stocks dropped immediately after the twit at Asian stock markets. Tgeorgescu (talk) 06:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• I'm thinking merely contracting the disease isn't ITN-worthy, but if he needs to step aside temporarily because of it, then that would be. Mz7 (talk) 06:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• oppose I'm actually unconvinced even the president temporary stepping down merits ITN although I appreciate unlike for surgery there is no expected recovery timeline so it can get complicated since temporary stepping down could mean a long time away which I'm more willing to accept may belong on ITN yet we probably have no way of knowing and there may be no real specific update that means this . Nil Einne (talk) 06:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose really?? Snow close. Alsoriano97 (talk) 06:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - I want to urge another look at this. I understand the argument being made that U.S. editors and media as a whole are overreacting to this announcement in terms of its global newsworthiness. However, you all are underestimating how globally newsworthy it actually is. Here's a murderer's row of international news sites that have this at or near the top of their page: Sydney Morning Herald, Hindustan Times, Al Jazeera, Korea Herald, Japan Times, Der Spiegel, France 24, NZ Herald... Make no mistake. This is a big deal. As morbid as the proposition seems, the U.S. is potentially a few steps away from a significant regime change, and that is what the world is reacting to.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Since Boris Johnson going into intensive care and an interim government being formed in the UK wasn't posted, this won't fly unless Trump dies. Kingsif (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• That isn't equitable. The amount of international news coverage is significantly higher for this story compared to that of Boris Johnson's.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:31, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Stephen's right, there's no way that flood of opposes is going to be overcome unless something happens like him becoming ill enough to have to hand over to Pence. The announcement by itself is never going to get consensus to post.-- P-K3 (talk) 12:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• I agree with WaltCip. The thread was closed too quickly, in less than 1.5 hours, of course while the U.S. editors were asleep. Perhaps a revenge for the RBG story being posted so fast? Anyway, the story is definitely the number one story for most news outlets around the world today, and one can easily predict which Misplaced Pages page will have the most number of hits today, by far. As NYT byword headline says: The news of an American president contracting a potentially lethal virus carried global repercussions beyond that of any other world leader. With all due respect to Boris Johnson, a U.S. President is still way more important on the world stage, especially with the election being just a month away. Nsk92 (talk) 12:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Looking at the above discussion, I don't feel it should be reopened unless circumstances significantly change. There is no support at all in the discussion. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

October 1

September 30

(Ready) RD: Pia Juul

• Nominated by TompaDompa (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Danish poet. Article not ready (very short, bibliography completely unreferenced). Might be possible to fix by expanding from the Danish article. TompaDompa (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Well, the bibliography has now been sourced. I also noticed that the German article looks to be even better than the Danish one, so we could try to use that one for expanding the article. TompaDompa (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• SupportOppose on quality. Well done TompaDompa. Good to go now. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• SupportOppose A translation of the German page will result in a basic page, however Pia Juul has very little relevance outside of Denmark. I checked the national libraries in Auth Ctrl, and there is one English translation, one Dutch translation, and two German translations. That cannot be considered an international break-through. KittenKlub (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@KittenKlub: Just FYI, RD bios don't need to be notable only the article needs to be up to the mark for main page linking. Gotitbro (talk) 17:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: In that case, I'd recommend translating the German version.KittenKlub (talk) 17:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Which itself is only 220 words. – Sca (talk) 21:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I expanded it quite a bit using some sources I found at the German and Danish articles (translating the text itself wouldn't have cut it as there were some sourcing issues) as well as a few other ones. I think it should be up to snuff now, short though it is. @Destroyeraa, KittenKlub, Gotitbro, and Sca: What do you say? TompaDompa (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support It seems ready. Good job. Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support article is recently expanded and well sourced. TJMSmith (talk) 12:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Emyr Humphreys

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by KittenKlub (talk · give credit) and Deb (talk · give credit)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support May need some touching up, needs some more formal language and less POV, but almost RD ready. Gex4pls (talk) 15:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Writings section could use expansion about the topics of his work, not just a list of novels ("Resume in prose format"). Spencer 15:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Conditional support if you fix Spencer's concerns. KittenKlub (talk) 16:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Short but well referenced JW 1961 Talk 18:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support support as article is now expanded and well-referenced. TJMSmith (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Article has morphed well into a good start class biography. Nice job Bloom6132 and KittenKlub in working the expansion. This is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Quino

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ktin (talk · give credit), Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Renowned Argentine cartoonist, father of Mafalda. Article needs work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Relevant, work prominent in Latin America and Europe. Good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Quino was very popular and sources are easy to find. Alexcalamaro (talk) 19:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

*Support - On relevance. Oppose for now per article quality. Ping me when completed. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• @BabbaQ: all "citation needed" tags have now been addressed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - All problems fixed. Good work.BabbaQ (talk) 10:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose No where close to front page ready. We need to bring back the RD template boilerplate. 75.188.224.208 (talk) 23:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Went in and filled some of the tags and also made a round of copy-edits. Three more tags still remain. If someone can fill those tags, this article is ready to go to homepage / RD. Meets all other hygiene requirements to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 03:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Ktin: all "citation needed" tags have now been addressed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Meets hygiene levels to go to homepage / RD based on above edits. Ready to go. Ktin (talk) 05:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks well referenced now JW 1961 Talk 07:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

September 29

RD: Mac Davis

• Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Renowned country music writer, composer, "country star", singer. Elvis and Dolly Parton used his work a lot. I will address the citations needed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC) (UTC)

• Oppose many missing in-text citations and tables appear unsourced. Dan the Animator 00:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now still too many CN's JW 1961 Talk 07:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Over 440 thousand views here. Oh well. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:53, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Timothy Ray Brown

• Nominated by TompaDompa (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: First person to be cured of HIV/AIDS, the so-called "Berlin patient". Died September 29 according to the Los Angeles Blade. TompaDompa (talk) 15:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support On skimming, appears fully referenced. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 23:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support article is short but great. Ready for RD. Dan the Animator 00:17, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Clean article. Well sourced. Meets hygiene requirements for the homepage. There are a couple of sentences "This means that the procedure should not be..." or "so it appears that when a transplant recipient has..." which read like WP:OR. If someone here is knowledgeable about medicine, it would be good to examine these sentences and fix them if needed prior to posting. Ktin (talk) 02:17, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support looks ready JW 1961 Talk 07:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

(Pulled) RD: Helen Reddy

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Support - Article seems well sourced and subject seems significant. The Image Editor (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support - This one looks ready to go for RD Gex4pls (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Done. Posted. --Jayron32 13:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. This article requires extensive sourcing and is / was not ready to be posted. Multiple paragraphs are entirely unsourced! Did we check this before posting? Courtesy ping: Jayron32. I would go in and add tags, but, that would make it appear like vandalism on an article that is on homepage. I would recommend that we remove this article asap from homepage and fix it before reintroducing to homepage. Ktin (talk) 15:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ktin: That's not vandalism, or won't even semm like vandalism. After seeing your comment, I went in and added a lot of tags, along with TJMSmith. :) ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

    Destroyeraa, TJMSmith -- Thanks folks.

    Request -- If someone has a few cycles during the day, please can you try giving some of the tags a go? The article is definitely worth investing effort to fix and get it to homepage levels and to the homepage. Ktin (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Pulled for now. Needs more references before it's ready, per Ktin.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose lots of orange tags. I just went in and added some more. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It just wasn't ready yet. – Sca (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. Admins posting RDs are supposed to check if an article is actually ready before posting it. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

My ineptitude has already been acknowledged. I'm surprised it took you this long to figure that out. Everyone else here already knew how terrible I am. --Jayron32 11:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Jayron32, Hey! It is not such a big mistake. The article visually looked clean! It is alright. Such things happen. Ktin (talk) 14:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

So is Reddy ready? – Sca (talk) 21:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Ready? Every citation needed tag has now been addressed except for one on a list of her "notable stage roles". I seek advice on how to tackle that. Otherwise, this is now well sourced. HiLo48 (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

  @HiLo48: Eeek, thanks for the good work there. I've managed to source all the stage entries in that list you mention (while removing a couple of references to specific theatres, which I couldn't locate cites for). However... unfortunately there were a few other statements further up that lacked cites and hadn't been tagged yet, so those will need fixing too unfortunately. Also, the Filmography section needs referencing. I will try to muck in on some of this a bit later on today if I can, but hopefully we can get this one over the line!  — Amakuru (talk) 08:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

  Comment The filmography is now fully cited. Ackatsis (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing removal: 2020 Belarusian protests

Nominator's comments: About one prose update every two days. Probably not enough for Ongoing. Protests seemed to have scaled down, now it's only people marching around and being noisy. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• We did not post Lukashenko getting sworn in, an event that caused much controversy in Europe. So we should probably remove this since there are only people marching and holding signs. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

"Only people marching and holding signs"...unbelievable. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose Still all over social media and in the news, article is still being updated. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Orbitalbuzzsaw: Not trending on Youtube, Twitter, etc. Not even close to trending. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose It may not be as prominent, but definitely still ongoing worthy. Heres some recent articles from: The New York Post, The Gaurdian, Reuters, Al Jazeera, and the Associated Press have all reported on it in the past two days. There are still protests, too; there was a march of around 100,000 people just two days ago, along with recent sanctions being imposed by Britain and Canada. The article may not be updated all the time, but the story still seems to be developing. Gex4pls (talk) 21:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Still newsworthy. The wildfires, on the other hand... WaltCip-(talk) 22:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Didn't we just discuss this? Still newsworthy and being updated. P-K3 (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

  Destroyeraa, why did you close that discussion and then immediately open up a new one? P-K3 (talk) 00:07, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – This is getting annoying. – Sca (talk) 00:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support yes this garbage article festering in the box is getting annoying. Linking to some WP:RS from an WP:ITNC discussion is so exceptionally pointless I can't imagine why an experienced editor would even do it. Look at the actual article in the box. There is a weekly protest. This weeks on the 27th, the 20th before that. A one-liner update about 100k people with 3 refs each of them citing protest organizers is a crap update. What happened in between the weekly protests? Some controversy about a childrens program? Come on. Get this rubbish off the main page already. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose removal. Article is still receiving substantive updates. Most recent significant protest on 27 September was widely reported and is covered in the article. There are also smaller updates being made. --Jayron32 13:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support This story is already stale and the article's quality is regressing as time goes by. This might regain significance if 1) Lukashenko resigns, which is hardly going to happen and 2) the international community recognises Tikhanovskaya as a new president in a Venezuelan style, which is also unlikely to happen (I deliberately avoid outright negation because of WP:CRYSTALBALL). All in all, we may keep this story on the main page forever but that's not what it is in reality.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• 'Comment Neither opposed or supporting removal, but I think how we're judging ongoing entries (via updates) particularly in large articles with segmented parts like this is directly tied to how poorly we write with PROSELINE and the "hyperreporting" (in terms that people are writing about daily events and not, as we should be, talking the encyclopedic picture, though a timeline article is not inappropriate). I'm not saying here this meets the removal or retention goals, but I can see why its a question, because if we were writing this more encyclopedically, the small updates would be trivial on this event (even though it was still "ongoing"). --Masem (t) 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The new sanctions were literally the lead story internationally today. However, I agree with Masem that we need to re-evaluate our ongoing criteria to allow stories like this to remain in the template without POINTy opposition from LaserLegs and others over not enough proseline, which is a bad standard for an encyclopedia article. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Are you talking about the one-sentence flawed grammar update with the POV term "regime"? Lead story all day and it one one poor quality bullet point. I'm just following the guidelines which I even proposed to change but no one was interested. If you have a problem with that take it to WP:ANI because if there is one thing I'm certain of it's that I don't need to be personally attacked by someone who hasn't even bothered to evaluate the article we're featuring on the main page instead of the story. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I didn’t mean that as a personal attack, more of an attack on the guideline and overzealous applications of it. But saying that you’re “just following the guidelines” when you agree that they are sometimes

problematic is unambiguous WP:POINT. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I think you mistook Masem's point. The issue here is people want ongoing items to stay posted forever, so they make negligible updates documenting the "events of the day" in order to meet the ongoing criteria. These events are too minor to be listed in a proper encyclopedia article. So in trying to manipulate the ITN process, we are subverting it's intent - to write and promote good articles. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the point if not the intention. Editors shouldn’t have to add micro-updates to keep an article in ongoing. If the topic is still getting major international coverage, as this one is (see recent stories on sanctions), it should be kept regardless. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 15:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

"it should be kept regardless" that is the exact opposite of what the guidelines for ongoing stipulate and "Keep" !votes based on that logic should be ignored (they won't be, consensus around here is a vote count). Change the criteria if that's what you want, right now your argument has no basis in the existing guidelines. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support removal. I would like to remind everyone of the guidelines for ongoing events at WP:ITN. "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening. In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information." So, while it is in the news, it should be removed if it is not being updated. -- Calidum 23:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Close this is the 3rd time that the ongoing has been nominated for removal. Although I agree with the removal, there is a strong consensus to keep this. Suggest a WP:SNOW close. Dan the Animator 00:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Dantheanimator: Enough supports now not to justify a snow close. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 11:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Destroyeraa The first nom was closed with a consensus for keeping and the last nom you closed. The last nom was less than 2 weeks ago. I don't think the consensus has changed that much since then to justify reposting this this soon. Maybe wait a few more weeks? Dan the Animator 20:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support There are definitely not major pertinent updates to this article. Nor can we keep an article endlessly on ITN in "anticipation" of whatever event people are hoping for. I see no reason for this inclusion that is so much different from other protests going on, such as 2020 United States racial unrest. Albertaont (talk) 00:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Per Calidum. Understanding the protests and reactions will continue for some time, the level of events happening now don't justify keeping this among the six events happening worldwide that we have room to spotlight. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Death of Emir Kuwait Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah

• Nominated by Tensa Februari (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tacoblimpfan (talk · give credit), Johndavies837 (talk · give credit) and Khronicle I (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The death of head of state --Tensa Februari (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Should we not combine this with the fact that his brother has/will succeed him? That's ITNR. 331dot (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Page is sourced. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Given the general status of Kuwait, and the advanced age of the deceased, this seems more appropriate to RD. - Sca (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support - We posted RBG’s death, so the death of a head of state, especially a monarch, seems like a no brainer. The Image Editor (talk) 15:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support for RD Article is sufficient quality, coverage in reliable news sources is at a level that indicates this is appropriate for RD rather than a blurb. --Jayron32 15:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support for blurb only if it includes the succession, per 331dot. It isn't the death of a head of state that is ITNR, but rather a new head of state coming to power; but we can certainly mention the person the new head of state is succeeding. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support for blurb - if succession is included. Otherwise RD is sufficient.BabbaQ (talk) 16:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose only on quality - going off the BBC, we knew he had health problems before this, so I think a bit of expansion of this and that there were already plans of succession in place should be included (the article is rather short otherwise). But I would otherwise Support blurb since he was still the sitting leader of Kuwait for all purposes. --Masem (t) 16:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb - The death of a sitting head of state. This is particularly notable because the Emir of Kuwait is the most powerful person in the country. The succession should also be mentioned. Kurtis 16:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Death of a head of state always get posted as a blurb. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Kurtis. Maybe a pic of him would be fine. Alsoriano97 (talk)
• Support for blurb and pic per ITN/RThis post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support RD only The article has a good quality and have a multiple source. However the person who died as a head of state of nations with only minor influence make it more appropriated to be posting in RD rather than Blurb. But i still support for posting the picture 36.65.35.154 (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Minor influence? He has been one of the most important diplomats in Arabia, especially during his reign for his role as a mediator during disputes between neighboring countries. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, but it gets a blurb when updated. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

  Correction: the new guy has quality issues. Support RD for the old guy; heads of state do not get blurbs automatically (WTH?). However, support blurb mention both when the new guy's article is up to scratch. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - Both articles look full sourced now. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb If a sitting monarch of a universally recognised independent country with great power in internal political affairs doesn't merit a death blurb, then it's highly legit to wonder who would. I notice extreme inconsistency in evaluating death nominations for a blurb, which casts doubt of whether allowing them is a good idea at all (for instance, there are no death blurbs on the German Misplaced Pages in favour of a neatly organised RD section).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support altblurb Death of serving head of state and replacement. Gotitbro (talk) 07:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Posting alt. --Tone 08:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

MS Estonia

• Nominated by CoronaOneLove (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Has been THE biggest topic of discussion here in Estonia, but also in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries. Basically it was a popular conspiracy theory that the ship colluded with a military vessel before sinking and now we have major proof that the official story that it sank because its visor broke down is not true. This prompted responces from Estonia's PM, foreign ministers of all Scandinavian countries, an so on... They also decided to restart the official investigation --CoronaOneLove (talk) 11:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Unsee general RS coveraqe. – Sca (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• On the main pages of newspapers in Europe — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoronaOneLove (talk • contribs) 15:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Wait to see what the governments of affected countries are going to do about it. Currently just an unfounded claim made by a TV show.~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Wait - Until a verdict is reached, then this could make main page. For now, though interesting, this doesn't seem ITN worthy. Gex4pls (talk) 13:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – "Colluding" with a submarine, was it? Zounds. – Sca (talk) 15:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Wait - Until official investigation and findings.BabbaQ (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I just wanna say that it's looking to be THE biggest conspiracy theory turned out to be true in... history, really. Not only did they cover up (ostensibly) accidentally sinking a whole ship killing more than 850 people by the military, but it also raises questions why Swedish submarine was even there and what kind of cargo could the ship have secretly been transporting that it required an escort of a freaking submarine. CoronaOneLove (talk) 16:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Wait until independent confirmation of this finding (this being from the govts that are looking into this). The claim is being made by a Discovery channel documentary, which, while a reliable source, still is a claim and should have some additional confirmation and backup. If confirmed, it would definitely be an ITN story. -- Masem (t) 17:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. According to Euronews, this is nothing more than an unverified claim made by "documentary makers" on a Discovery Channel programme. I understand the interest, but where is the news? —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment If we are to post this, can someone propose an altblurb, the current one appears sensationalist without signifying its impact. Gotitbro (talk) 14:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I think we ought to close this discussion until the official results of the investigation is released. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

  What is the benefit of closing discussions? I notice John J. Myers down there aging off, with no one calling for closure. Why not just let noms sit, unless things are getting acrimonious? GreatCaesarsGhost 20:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

  I don't know, it's become an obsession around here to snow close a discussion after a few hours. Totally unnecessary. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now per all. While interesting, I think that this is still too tentative to post here right now. Also, the blurb is suboptimally written, IMO. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Interesting adverb. Did you coin that one yrself? – Sca (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

September 28

(Posted) Stanley Cup

• Nominated by Bongwarrior (talk · give credit)

 --Bongwarrior (talk) 16:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support has a decent amount of prose, sourced, overall decent article. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• ITN/R sure, i guess This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Expected amount of prose coverage of the finales and individual games for this type of event, so appears ready. --Masem (t) 16:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support as a decent article that is ITN/R JW 1961 Talk 17:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Minor feedback - can we clarify what Conn Smythe Trophy is on the blurb? Currently, as a lay reader, I came out confused as to what this was, until I clicked the link for the award. A simple "Conn Smythe Trophy MVP awardee Victor Hedman pictured" or in the spirit of decluttering -- "MVP awardee Victor Hedman pictured". Updated Altblurb. Ktin (talk) 17:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Now we need someone to claim that "MVP" is an Americanism that shouldn't be on the Main Page. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
    • Even as a non-American, I think most people know what "MVP" means (we're not at the level of "winningest" here). On the other hand, you could always pipe Conn Smythe Trophy to "Most Valuable Player". Black Kite (talk) 00:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• If someone doesn't know what the Conn Smythe Trophy is, they can click the link. That is what the link is for. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine, a decent amount of prose. P-K3 (talk) 23:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Article still has some unreferenced claims and last two sections are unreferenced. This foreigner had no idea that the Stanley Cup was held this late in the year. I'd always thought of ice hockey as being a winter sport. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - The season is usually October to April, with playoffs lasting into June. The season was interrupted in March this year due to COVID and then resumed in August. Under normal circumstances, the 2020-21 season would have started a few days from now, but the opening has been pushed back to December. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support. The article is of good quality and there are prose summaries of every game. Yes the list of engravings is uncited, but I don't think it's worth holding up the blurb for such a minor part of the article - simply delete it if necessary. Marking ready. The term 'MVP' is completely unknown outside North America, so please stick to the original blurb. Modest Genius 11:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  • That’s not true about “MVP“. Browse through the entries at Category:Most valuable player awards. Maybe the term is not commonly used in the UK. It may be used more often in certain sports. Zagalejo^^^ 15:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
    • Europe-wide basketball, Korean baseball, Belgian basketball, Estonian basketball, Japanese baseball, Norwegian ice hockey, heck even the Indian Premier League has an MVP award. (We do have to get rid of awards that are not explicitly named as "MVP" like the NHL award there, though.) Howard the Duck (talk) 16:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Indian here. Those of us who read the news (especially sports news) regularly know what an MVP is. Though I agree that the term is not common outside the United States. 45.251.33.82 (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Still some remaining CN issues in the last 2 sections in the article. Spencer 17:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Added some refs and removed uncited statements I was unable to find a source for. Spencer 17:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump Tax Returns

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• Nominated by Sixula (talk · give credit)
• Created by Anna Frodesiak (talk · give credit)

• Comment of course this good faith nom is going to be snow closed well before people on the east coast of the USA wake up in the morning so just let me pile on a quick ROTFLMFAO before this section gets an atop. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Trash human is trash and his tax returns are not notable for ITN purposes. Suggest SNOW close. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Quick, let's post this while the Europeans are asleep. -- Calidum 02:04, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not blurb-worthy news. BD2412 T 02:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. Why is even a discussion? Relevation Animations (talk) 02:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Trumpticking This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not even going to buffer this comment with some trite OMB swipe; Good on Trump for playing by the rules and his tax preparer should give a hearty thanks to the Democrats for all the free advertising.130.233.2.170 (talk) 05:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

September 27

(Posted) RD: John Waddy

• Nominated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ranger Steve (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 100 year old former British SAS officer and military advisor to the film A Bridge Too Far – marked as good article JW 1961 Talk 11:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Support I think this article looks ready to go. KittenKlub (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article looks adequate, well sourced and a good length. Gex4pls (talk) 13:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Good to go. --BabbaQ (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: - I think this one is ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 10:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
• PP Comment – Fascinating life story. Kudos – Sca (talk) 13:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

RD: Mahbubey Alam

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Attorney General of Bangladesh, covid DannyS712 (talk) 21:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Referencing issues; professional section lacks depth of coverage (essentially a "resume in prose format"). Spencer 14:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Some tonal issues, and probably needs more and better sources. (I mean, the entire proffesional career section is unsourced and tonaly odd) Easily RD worthy though, so if it gets cleaned up I'll support. Gex4pls (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - still references issues as far as I can see.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support ref issues taken care of. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Clement

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Created by Deprifry (talk · give credit)
• Updated by KittenKlub (talk · give credit), Ktin (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: German Politician. Former Minister President of North-Rhine Westphalia. Article requires some major work. a) References across the board b) content streamlining c) copy-edits. Might have to enlist support from others here to get this article in a ready state for homepage. All three categories of edits are done! The article has shaped out pretty well! Meets all hygiene elements for the homepage. Solid B-class article Ktin (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Conditional support Still needs quite a lot of referencing, because it is translation of a huge document on :de which is mainly unsourced... Clement is important enough for the front page. KittenKlub (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

KittenKlub, Agree. I went in and did some content streamlining / copy-editing on the front end of the article in the meantime. Ktin (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support I came to nominate him after I saw the amazing job of referencing of you two, and now you did even that. Great work! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

::Gerda Arendt, still working on rewriting the content. We will be done soon. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

bedtime for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. All three categories of edits have been completed i.e. references, content streamlining, copy-edits. Article has shaped up as a solid B-class biography. Want to thank the partnership with KittenKlub in getting this done. We got on each others nerves with the edit conflicts. But, we (and hopefully the article) emerged much the stronger. Ktin (talk) 22:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Nagorno-Karabakh clashes

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Another serious escalation of the decades-long Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and, apparently, one of the heaviest. Brandmeister 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Wait – Developing. Details unclear. – Sca (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Post – Armenia and Artsakh declared marital law and total mobilization. Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

What does that mean? I also went to cascade last night and got my booze. No cops around. 37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support, added altblurb Obvious notability, dozens of dead already. Some say a major war is coming. 212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

There's not going to be a war (yes overnight and this morning continued). Turkey is not going to go against the Russians and Iran too.37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• comment Azeri parliament is discussing introduction of martial law as well right now. The ruling party (and de-facto the only real party) is in favour 212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  comment Yep, they just declared martial law as well. Someone should amend the blurb212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Would support, major escalation. Though the article needs copyediting/updates for the lay reader not familiar with the conflict, for e.g., the lead says "Both sides reported military and civilian casualties" but lists the three Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh in the lead sentence. The alt-blurb is definitely a no-go, none of the sources refer to Artsakh and the primary conflict is between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Gotitbro (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It literally is Artsakh. Armenia was not attacked stepenakart and the area around is administrativelu a part of Artsakh, which is its own jurisdiction from Yerevan run Armenia. 37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support, but wait Updated blurb. I think a few users are still copy-editing, but should be ready soon. 104.243.98.96 (talk) 16:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I've updated the article now to include martial law and curfew in Azerbaijan. Suggest original blurb. Brandmeister 16:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Article seems quite good and the escalation does appear to be notable. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Increased RS coverage, some of it conflicting. ("Dozens" of dead not corroborated.) In view of decades of armed strife between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh, let's wait to see whether this is just another flare-up or something more significant. – Sca (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Major escalation. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support The event primarily remains classified as particularly geopolitically primary; this primarily serves to support a case for nomination, in addition to recent reports of alleged civilian and military casualties and the introduction of legal mobilisation and martial law. Primarily resulting from the previous circumstances, barring particularly improbable extenuating events resulting within deescalation, I support the nomination; the article should remain placed within the section immediately. SurenGrig07 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support I think the fact that Armenia has declared total mobilization really sets this apart, "both sides described the clash as war" per the NYTimes. Not opposed to waiting a bit however, as the news is still fragmentary and a bit of a "he said they said". CaptainEek ⚓ 20:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Posting, the article is developing in a comprehensible one. --Tone 21:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment we now have an orange tagged article in the box. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Blurb contains "total mobilization", but what does it mean? The linked mobilization article does not explain the term. I think we should not include such an ill-defined term in the blurb (it can be understood both as total war and that all military personnel should be ready to be deployed, or something in between). There might also be NPOV-issues with it, as it might be a part of Armenia's information warfare campaign to send the signal that they are ready to do anything to defend Nagorno-Karabakh. ― Hebsen (talk) 21:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's total mobilization. I know many, many men due to report in the coming days (not including volunteers).37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Orange tag is for expansion, which I don't find problematic. Good point for total, I will remove it from the blurb. --Tone 21:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – RS casualty reports continue to conflict. – Sca (talk) 13:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Well good then that this was not included in the blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jaswant Singh

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Academic Challenger (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Indian politician DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Article will require some work, including multiple citations (across sections) and copy edits.'Positions held' segment might be challenging to source. But, overall - definitely worth putting in the effort to get the article ready. All referencing done. Round of copy edits done. Article meets hygiene checks for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 08:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Updated the 'positions held' segment and the books segment with citations. Might have to look at the other segments as well. Done. Article is now referenced through out and a round of copy edits done too. If folks want any other edit done, I can have this covered in the morning. Calling it a night. I think the article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support I was going to nominate this one myself, glad to see I was beat to it. Chetsford (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Susan Ryan

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Canley (talk · give credit) and Ivar the Boneful (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Australian senator. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Support. Nice article. Went in and added a few CN tags. If you can get started at filling those in, that will get the article ready. I can lend a hand in a couple of hours. Ktin (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  Ktin, it looks like Ivar the Boneful has added some content and taken care of the cn tags; I have added him as an updater. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  PCN02WPS, thanks! Just added a couple of clarifying tags and someone there should be fixing them soon. I support once those tags are removed. Ktin (talk) 05:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  I have removed the citation required tags. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  Hawkeye7, Looks good! Thanks! Ktin (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Article is in excellent shape. Yoninah (talk) 09:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

September 26

(Posted) RD: Isher Judge Ahluwalia

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Created by Wildtornado (talk · give credit)
• Updated by The Vintage Feminist (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian Economist. Padmashri Awardee. Start-class article. I will spend time tonight expanding the article. Edits done. Solid C-class article. Looks clean and passes all hygiene checks (including references) to go to the homepage / RD. Happy to include any additional edits. Ktin (talk) 23:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now on quality, entire unreferenced section. Can reassess later. -- a lad insane (channel two) 23:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

  A lad insane, Apologies -- you caught me as I was in the middle of my edits. Fully referenced now. Continuing to work on expanding the article. Edits done. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. As noted above. Edits have been done. Clean article, meets all hygiene checks (including references) to go to homepage / RD. I came across a story when trying to expand this article that I thought I should share here. Dr Ahluwalia's husband Montek Singh Ahluwalia is also an economist (and was the Deputy chairperson of India's planning commission. Arguably amongst the top 2-3 finance portfolio functions in the Indian cabinet). A journalist calling home:“Can I speak to Dr Ahluwalia?”; IJA:“Speaking”; Journalist (puzzled): “Can I speak to the other Dr Ahluwalia?”. IJA:“There is only one Dr Ahluwalia in this house”, and put down the phone down. Here's to Dr IJA, and to everyone who break these glass ceilings! Ktin (talk) 01:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this article. I think the article meets homepage / RD requirements and can go there in this state.
• Support, but suggest toning down the "she was a published author" part. It's not unusual for academics to write books after all. I don't think you can really expect an admin to post an article with just one supporting vote from the nom! —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  Brigade Piron, Agree, and done! Edited.

  Apologies -- my messages were not aimed at the Admins. I was looking for more editors such as yourself to chime in on the homepage readiness. Agree w/ your statement entirely. Ktin (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: - Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted on the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

September 25

(Closed) 2020 Chuhuiv An-26 crash

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• Nominated by Eugen Simion 14 (talk · give credit)

• Support plane crash with high body count; should make it to the front Chetsford (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Military training accident. Lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - As tragic as it is, it is a plane crash during a training flight. No global significance. KittenKlub (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, per above. Tragic but also non-ITN worthy. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose posting a tragic military accident, as military activity carries inherent risk. 331dot (talk) 17:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peter Hampton

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Add92 (talk · give credit) and Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Short but sourced. Black Kite (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Neat little article, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 10:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support. All sourcing in place, no close paraphrasing seen. Yoninah (talk) 09:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Could someone post this please? It's been sitting ready for nearly a day. Black Kite (talk) 10:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) New president in Mali

Nominator's comments: After the coup d'état that overthrown Ibrahim Boubacar Keita, the military junta names a new president to preside the 18-month transition. Bah Ndaw have the validation of the European Union and ECOWAS. Like Sudan, it seems that Mali will have a pacific and civilian transition. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support change of head of state. Hope this will continue to be peaceful. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support ITN/R as a head of state change This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support Article is a little bare-bones and lacks a picture, but everything there is cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose article isn't very good, and we posted the coup. The inauguration of the person who took power by force is an inevitable formality. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Still a transfer of power, but article concerns are accurate. Kingsif (talk) 20:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Now Support - a reference for actually being sworn in was added after my !vote, it's sufficient now, just. Kingsif (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Marking as ITNR. Banedon (talk) 20:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support as a head of state change. Article was recently expanded. TJMSmith (talk) 20:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks fine, significant development after the coup. Gotitbro (talk) 21:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support as ITN/R. And the article is a triumph compared to many of our other African political biography articles! —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support automatically listed as ITN/R. Not comment about this nomination. 36.68.187.70 (talk) 22:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment marking as ready. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support ITNR and per above. Dan the Animator 01:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Object to this being considered as ITNR. ITNR is specifically for naturally reoccurring events. E.g. "The results of the elections for head of state" or "The succession of a head of state...in those countries where head of state is not an elected position." This nom doesn't exactly fit either. Mali is a country where the head of state is elected, and Ndaw was not elected. I'm not saying we can't post it, but the nom should be considered on it's merits. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

  Oppose With the preceding in mind, the appointment of a leader by a single person, where such leader is naturally and completely beholden to the prior is plainly not significant, and not the sort of assumed significance we mean when we talk about heads of state. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Not the place. Go to the talk page This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Added alt-blurb to clarify that he is, at least in theory, a transitional leader This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment not WP:ITNR per the guidelines the succession of a head of state is only ITNR when it's not an elected position, and in Mali, it's an elected position. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support – Whether or not it is ITNR is immaterial. Mali is a very important country in the region. A destabilized Mali means a destabilized West Africa. The appointment of a new government and a new president is highly notable. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

As to this being ITNR or not, I think a new head of state being sworn in after the previous one was overthrown fits with the spirit of the ITNR listing, especially if the new leader seems to be generally accepted as such. But this seems to have consensus even without ITNR. If users want to exclude the replacement of an overthrown head of state from ITNR, they may discuss such an idea. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: S. P. Balasubrahmanyam

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kaysov (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Vensatry (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Another COVID-19 death. Indian playback singer with over 40,000 songs in 16 Indian languages. Article requires some streamlining of citations and some copy-edits. RIP. Thank you for all the wonderful memories through the years SPB! Ktin (talk) 08:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Despite some copy-edit issues, I support this to be nominated since the subject has been receiving wide coverage after the demise. The subject is well known in film industry. The article is well sourced but requires an official source from the authorities of Guinness World Records to verify whether he actually achieved the world record for recording most number of songs. I have seen mainly Indian sources covering about that and I hardly see any other sources depict about his Guinness World Record. The issue has been raised in talk page of the article. Abishe (talk) 08:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support A high-profile subject who made an immense contribution to Indian cinema. The article is in decent shape. --Ab207 (talk) 10:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support - He is notable singer in India. - Ravichandra (talk) 10:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose 1990s section missing refs. The discography and filmography "sub-articles" are totally unreferenced. We should be careful about featuring articles on the MP where the details about what makes a subject notable lack refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Citations seem to have been now added to the 1990s section. Other sections seem well referenced. If there are any other refs pending, please let know and I can give it a shot. Ktin (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Marking as ready. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer 16:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. On somewhat expected lines, this article is the top read article in en.wikipedia right now (yesterday and today). Everyone who contributed to editing this article -- nice job! RIP SPB. Ktin (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Italian constitutional referendum

• Nominated by OrbitalBuzzsaw (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Italy (G7 country) votes to amend its constitution. Similar to a general election which are ITN/R. Honestly surprised it wasn't put up a few days ago. Plus, it's at ITN on the French Misplaced Pages. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support Nicely written and thoroughly referenced article. I wish the ITNR election articles looked this good. One CN tagging what looks like a minor OR assertion, which could probably be removed without replacement. Added NYT source.130.233.2.170 (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Very interesting and unusual change in a parliamentary republic, a G7 member one of the largest countries in Europe. This is definitely notable for inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article seems reasonable and, although Italian constitutional changes are admittedly fairly frequent, this seems more important than most. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Big development and very important. Cutting down the parliament by a third! It's like cutting down the HOR to 290 from 435.~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Although, after this reduction, Italy's Parliament (400 + 200) is still larger the U.S. Congress (435 + 100), even though the U.S. has more than five times the population. Davey2116 (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Very significant development, and one that has enduring impact. Albertaont (talk) 23:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Marking as ready since there is unanimous support. Dan the Animator 01:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Admin: since no one is answering at errors, please ensure the Cyclone is bumped when post this, as it ended prior to the other events listed. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: There are 2 CNs in the article that should be addressed. Spencer 02:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  @OrbitalBuzzsaw: can you help with those? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, terribly busy today. Looks like this story isn't in the news anymore, sadly This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Spencer: I added in citations. It should be good now. Dan the Animator 00:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. Spencer 02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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1. "Belarus detains 500 people at anti-government protests". New York Post.
2. "UK imposes sanctions on Belarus president Alexander Lukashenko". The Gaurdian.
3. "Britain and Canada impose sanctions on Belarus leader Lukashenko". Reuters.
4. "Belarus: Tens of thousands protest in 'people's inauguration'". Al Jazeera.
5. "100,000 march in Belarus capital on 50th day of protests". Associated Press.
6. Sitapati, Vinay. "How Isher Judge Ahluwalia broke into the male-dominated, Anglicised world of economists". Scroll.in. Retrieved 2020-09-27.

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