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:::{{ec}} {{re|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d}} , unless there stopped being an entire month between August and October. I disagree with your characterization of the IP's edit on Talk:QAnon. As for editing contentious topics, there is nothing wrong with doing so even early into one's editing career; it is simply a tough area to navigate as a new user. Regarding the rest of your comment, please don't mistake my attempt to help with your confusion around the IP user and how they found me for interest on my end in rehashing the AE discussion. If you would like to pursue the topic of my actions at AE, which were already noted by two arbitrators to be unproblematic, please be my guest and file an ARCA or something. Otherwise I have no interest in delving deeper into that absurd accusation. If you have additional questions/concerns for me, please leave them on my talk page; I don't wish to continue pinging MONGO further in a discussion he has not participated in. ] <small>]</small> 01:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} {{re|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d}} , unless there stopped being an entire month between August and October. I disagree with your characterization of the IP's edit on Talk:QAnon. As for editing contentious topics, there is nothing wrong with doing so even early into one's editing career; it is simply a tough area to navigate as a new user. Regarding the rest of your comment, please don't mistake my attempt to help with your confusion around the IP user and how they found me for interest on my end in rehashing the AE discussion. If you would like to pursue the topic of my actions at AE, which were already noted by two arbitrators to be unproblematic, please be my guest and file an ARCA or something. Otherwise I have no interest in delving deeper into that absurd accusation. If you have additional questions/concerns for me, please leave them on my talk page; I don't wish to continue pinging MONGO further in a discussion he has not participated in. ] <small>]</small> 01:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
::::{{re|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d}}, I just think everyone on this website can best demonstrate their commitment to making this a better encyclopedia by not primarily focusing, especially early in their wiki career, on contentious political topics. There is nothing wrong of course with contributing to political articles, its just that that arena is a difficult one to navigate, as GorillaWarfare so astutely describes. GorillaWarfare has fairly described her level of involvement, why she placed the report and as she has served as both an elected administrator and arbitrator of this website for a good many years, I believe she did not gain these endorsements by way of being untrustworthy. The best way to participate in these political arguments is to keep your cool and pretend the person you are in disagreement with is your grandmother, and treat them as best as you can with civility and fairness. Keep your edits minimal, do not edit war nor get too deeply entrenched in fratricidal or belligerent discussions and always go armed with multiple reliable sources to back up any argument, especially if the matter is over a controversial issue.--] (]) 03:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
::::{{re|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d}}, I just think everyone on this website can best demonstrate their commitment to making this a better encyclopedia by not primarily focusing, especially early in their wiki career, on contentious political topics. There is nothing wrong of course with contributing to political articles, its just that that arena is a difficult one to navigate, as GorillaWarfare so astutely describes. GorillaWarfare has fairly described her level of involvement, why she placed the report and as she has served as both an elected administrator and arbitrator of this website for a good many years, I believe she did not gain these endorsements by way of being untrustworthy. The best way to participate in these political arguments is to keep your cool and pretend the person you are in disagreement with is your grandmother, and treat them as best as you can with civility and fairness. Keep your edits minimal, do not edit war nor get too deeply entrenched in fratricidal or belligerent discussions and always go armed with multiple reliable sources to back up any argument, especially if the matter is over a controversial issue.--] (]) 03:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
::::: You are very wise Mongo. I'm sorry if I got too frustrated. I just never thought I'll be involved in such a situation after only a few weeks of editing. ] (]) 04:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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This user is aware of the designation of the following topics as contentious topics:
post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people
There is hardly a day that goes by in which some of the activities on this site do not make me want to vomit. I guess some think we are dumb...that their overt biases in editing and administrative actions are somehow giving us BLP and NPOV compliant articles or any semblence of ethical administrative actions. I guess everyone has to live with themselves at some point.--MONGO (talk) 21:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
GAN
Hi, MONGO! Hope you're over the nausea but if not, I hear ginger cookies help, and so does pickle juice. I was also wondering if you'd review Robert H. Boyle? The GAN link is in the article TP header. Surely, with all those FAs you've chalked up, you must have accumulated quite a list of reciprocal reviews so I was hoping you'd be ok with taking this one if you have time. It's a co-nom with BD2412. Happy editing/reviewing!! Talk📧15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Seems I am loved again by at least one fan over at Wikipediocracy. Over concerns that my account might get hacked there (since coincidentally there have been 50 plus efforts to do so here in last 48 hours) I dare not go there. I will say I hold no animus towards Wikipediocracy or anyone for the most part that posts there, so long as they do not engage in doxxing. In response though, I guess if someone wanted to they could get me blocked here and or work to get me site banned if they so desired. I am afterall, very evil. In response to my being desysopped 14 years ago(!)...it wasn't a popular move by the committee at that time and they received a lot of blowback but the reality is I did make some errors in judgement in my adminning and I also did not offer any assurances that they felt were compelling enough for a reconsideration of desysopping me.--MONGO (talk) 04:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Well that is pretty messed up. No one should have to deal with that kind of off site stalking and harassment. I'm sorry to hear that. PackMecEng (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
The best way to beat it is to ignore it - just don't give it an ounce of lift because the hot air it's riding on now will dissipate. WP may have lost a sysop 14 yrs ago but those of us trudging along in the trenches gained an excellent editor - an inadvertent gift that keeps on giving - and the project is better for it. Talk📧18:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks you two. It doesn't really bother me at all to be frank. In fact, I support that website so long as they dont get into any doxxing efforts. Everyone has a right to vent and sometimes the people there turn up some interesting stuff.--MONGO (talk) 21:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
It appears to be somebody who thinks you argue too much. If sanctions were applied for that, a lot of people would be gone ahead of you. As for your desysopping, that happened sometime in the 14th century in wiki-time. But you are still very evil, I am sure. Acroterion(talk)22:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Most likely someone from long ago who just wants to stir the pot....because I am evil! Truth is I loathe the thought I may have any enemies. I've lost some dear friends here on the website as of recent times and it brings me no joy. There is one in particular I know I upset greatly and doubt a resurrection of good relations is now likely.--MONGO (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
For what its worth, the user who started that thread is not me. A few days ago, this user tried to pretend to be my sockpuppet. I am guessing it's the same person. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
You're probably correct. I did see the polite comment by Zoloft who said I am "relevant again"...least I haven't been forgotten altogether.--MONGO (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
No. 49. At least I always find this thought comforting at such times. When someone needs to complain about you somewhere else, -- ha. Carry on. Some varieties of evil may be underrated, anyway. (MONGO pawn in game of life, but knight in game of Misplaced Pages.) Antandrus(talk)23:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm overdue to resume good work here...lest my armor lose whatever little gloss it once had. Thank you.--MONGO (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Please don't delete my comments on my own talk page!
“someone who only recently survived a ban themselves”
“I believe serious concerns exist regarding their general competence to be editing subjects of a highly sensitive and controversial nature and am seriously considering calling for a topic ban from American Politics (post 1932)”
”Soibangla hasn't done anything wrong by making a bold but well-sourced edit, andthe only red flag I see is Ad Orientem escalating to AN/I for a reasonable, appropriately sourced edit without checking the source's reliability...The community has determined that BuzzFeed News is a reliable source. You don’t get to selectively disregard that consensus simply because you personally don’t like the source or its content. Soiblanga did everything right here - he made an edit accurately conveying the content of a reliable source and, when you reverted him, he went to the talk page and calmly discussed it. Threatening him with a block or topic ban is really out of line.”— MastCell
“There is no consensus for the proposed sanction. This discussion orbited around whether the original incident warranted sanction, and largely around Levivich's analysis of soibangla's recent conduct. On the first, there is a pretty significant consensus that the single incident was a violation which did not warrant sanction, or was not a violation in the first place, and that any issues with the edit should have been discussed through regular editorial processes. On the second, while several editors commented in support of the analysis and added their own commentary, several more found flaws in the analysis from being biased to being outright misrepresentations of facts.”
“the stuff of a kangaroo court found in totalitarian regimes”
Deletion of 2 images re nonnotable recognizable persons and image is not clear enough for use
In the mountaineering article in mid-June, you removed 2 of my images for the above reasons. I have tried several times to find a guideline of said infractions using your verbiage as a search string, so I'm asking for your help, especially re the first one (the second one was meant to convey the vastness and grandeur one experiences during mountaineering so the mountaineers are bound to be small and somewhat indistinct). The 2 pics are attached...
For the first image, the policy is here in this section, where it states "Images with you, friends or family prominently featured in a way that distracts from the image topic are not recommended for the main namespace. These images are considered self-promotion and the Misplaced Pages community has repeatedly reached consensus to delete such images. Using such images on user pages is allowed." The second image is very dated now and unless one points out the very hard to see person(s) at lower right, they are not noticeable. I did not remove the other image you placed in that article with the following caption:"Mt. Forbes' summit lunch; nutrition & hydration are key for mountaineering"Mt. Forbes' summit lunch; nutrition & hydration are key for mountaineering. I cannot see how there is any evidence that lunch or hydration are taking place...so this too really seems a little useless for the article itself. Sorry if I am coming across as rude as that is not intended. I mean, if you insist on readding the images I won't stop you but policy and my personal opinion is that the two I removed were not a benefit to that article. I have thousands of images of mountains and what not and have only added maybe a few to any articles.--MONGO (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Hell, I'm not insisting on anything; I'm still learning and just wanted to know where you're coming from since I found zip based on your verbiage... so thanks :-). I even asked my mentor what he thought and he'd not heaard of your complaints as you wrote them up and noted that there are many shots of non-notable but recognizable in the Aircraft articles.
For what it's worth, I thought my two images improved the article. In the first case, it shows how simple the equipment can be and implies that mountaineering can be handled by pretty well anyone (it used to be an elite sport done only or mainly be the rich), while the second one shows how majestic and humongous the mountains are (even in Canada), and how small is man. No other photo in mountaineering shows these aspects of the activity. Also FWIW, your input would be better if you quoted the section so new users like me (and even my mentor) can find the rules or guidelines that you are referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrettA343 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Late Edit... Also, as I think of the whole quote from your link (i.e. Images with you, friends or family prominently featured in a way that distracts from the image topic are not recommended for the main namespace. These images are considered self-promotion and the Misplaced Pages community has repeatedly reached consensus to delete such images.", I would challenge you that showing one mountaineer with basic mountaineering gear on a mountaintop 'distracts from the image topic' - it's highlighting the image topic as far as I can see. What distracts in this photo of a mountaineer, in your view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrettA343 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Later Edit... The more I think about these two images in the context of the subject of mountaineering and the images already there and your issues with them, the more I like the idea of including them... for what it's worth. BrettA343 (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Someone I know, but he's not featured in a way that distracts from the image topic; he's an example of the image topic, just like the upper right photo in the ice skating article... though you might complain that they're not skating - they're just standing there and they're likely non-notable but recognisable (they might have even known the photographer!) BrettA343 (talk) 03:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey Mongo. Now that the arbitration against me is closed , I think I am allowed to thank you for your statements. I still don't understand who that random IP was. How could he not be a sockpuppet? He's been a user for like 3 days, and one of the first things he does is ask some big-name admin to file an Arbitration enforcement against me. It seems fishy. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 23:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: The IP editor has been actively editing for three weeks—just about the same amount of time you have. They know of me because I welcomed them to Misplaced Pages four days ago after noticing their constructive contributions to Talk:QAnon. I try to make a habit of welcoming constructive new users when I see them, in the hopes that they will continue to edit and, in the case of IPs, sign up for an account. GorillaWarfare(talk)23:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@GorillaWarfare: Actually, I have been making about 4-6 edits everyday since I signed up on August 31. Those contributions seem overly-aggressive, considering the fact that the OP didn't even challenge Shimbo's response. Also, what happened to editing on "contentious topics" for new users? QAnon is probably a much more contentious topic than Talk:Ilhan Omar, so I don't know why you scolded me for making some useful comments on the Ilhan Omar talk page (and, no, I was not pushing a "right-wing conspiracy"). Anyway, I'm no expert on Arbitration guidelines, but many experienced editors did believe your actions were, at the very least, inappropriate. If you had a problem with some of my edits (i.e., the deadname edit), you could have left me a kindly-worded message on my talk page (like others have done), instead of doing the bidding of some random IP user. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
There are some highly experienced editors who are just plain wrong. This is such a case as the filing was in no way inappropriate. I don't believe the interactions we've personally had should result in an action and show a willingness to learn; but didn't look at all of the filing. I suggest you take the gentle reminder to heart and not complain. O3000 (talk) 01:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: No, you haven't, unless there stopped being an entire month between August and October. I disagree with your characterization of the IP's edit on Talk:QAnon. As for editing contentious topics, there is nothing wrong with doing so even early into one's editing career; it is simply a tough area to navigate as a new user. Regarding the rest of your comment, please don't mistake my attempt to help with your confusion around the IP user and how they found me for interest on my end in rehashing the AE discussion. If you would like to pursue the topic of my actions at AE, which were already noted by two arbitrators to be unproblematic, please be my guest and file an ARCA or something. Otherwise I have no interest in delving deeper into that absurd accusation. If you have additional questions/concerns for me, please leave them on my talk page; I don't wish to continue pinging MONGO further in a discussion he has not participated in. GorillaWarfare(talk)01:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d:, I just think everyone on this website can best demonstrate their commitment to making this a better encyclopedia by not primarily focusing, especially early in their wiki career, on contentious political topics. There is nothing wrong of course with contributing to political articles, its just that that arena is a difficult one to navigate, as GorillaWarfare so astutely describes. GorillaWarfare has fairly described her level of involvement, why she placed the report and as she has served as both an elected administrator and arbitrator of this website for a good many years, I believe she did not gain these endorsements by way of being untrustworthy. The best way to participate in these political arguments is to keep your cool and pretend the person you are in disagreement with is your grandmother, and treat them as best as you can with civility and fairness. Keep your edits minimal, do not edit war nor get too deeply entrenched in fratricidal or belligerent discussions and always go armed with multiple reliable sources to back up any argument, especially if the matter is over a controversial issue.--MONGO (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
You are very wise Mongo. I'm sorry if I got too frustrated. I just never thought I'll be involved in such a situation after only a few weeks of editing. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 04:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
so I was hoping you'd be ok with taking this one if you have time. It's a co-nom with BD2412. Happy editing/reviewing!! Talk 📧 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
