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| {{Unindent}} I understand that the NIWA prediction is not for the whole region, but the information is still valid for the region and is compiled by the BoM, FMS, MetService. Which is why I have always included in the Australian region, if you wish to change this then I would suggest that you bring up a discussion on the project page and seek the opinon of other editors. Also, there is no deadline for working on a tropical cyclone or a tropical cyclone season as otherwise, we would not be able to accurately reflect the season, a tropical cyclone's intensity or work on historical tropical cyclones. ] (]) 15:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC) | {{Unindent}} I understand that the NIWA prediction is not for the whole region, but the information is still valid for the region and is compiled by the BoM, FMS, MetService. Which is why I have always included in the Australian region, if you wish to change this then I would suggest that you bring up a discussion on the project page and seek the opinon of other editors. Also, there is no deadline for working on a tropical cyclone or a tropical cyclone season as otherwise, we would not be able to accurately reflect the season, a tropical cyclone's intensity or work on historical tropical cyclones. ] (]) 15:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC) | ||
| :Not if the NIWA outlook is not updated on the page yet and still displays the 2019 prediction, okay? After you can include the updated NIWA outlook (and not cancelling all the other edits that you had been reverting for no reason) then I can assess, all right? I don't need other opinions. Now, about the deadline, what I mean is that we are supposed to report cyclones as soon as they occur – it is inefficient for Misplaced Pages to only start putting info on a cyclone 50 or so days after the cyclone actually occurred. When a cyclone happens, we report – delaying is not on, so deadlines are relevant here.--] (]) 16:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC) | :Not if the NIWA outlook is not updated on the page yet and still displays the 2019 prediction, okay? After you can include the updated NIWA outlook (and not cancelling all the other edits that you had been reverting for no reason) then I can assess, all right? I don't need other opinions. Now, about the deadline, what I mean is that we are supposed to report cyclones as soon as they occur – it is inefficient for Misplaced Pages to only start putting info on a cyclone 50 or so days after the cyclone actually occurred. When a cyclone happens, we report – delaying is not on, so deadlines are relevant here.--] (]) 16:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC) | ||
| ::I have already updated it to the 2020 prediction, which is why I reverted and yeah if you want to remove the NIWA prediction from the region you will need a consensus of other peoples opinions. Ideally, yes we shouldn't be putting tropical cyclones on 50 or 60 days after they happened, however, tropical cyclones have been identified in the cold light of day during the post season.] (]) 16:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Seasonal outlooks
Just so you are aware I copied and pasted the seasonal outlook section into the Aus Region from last years section, since the forecast agencies dont generally change from year to year. Obviously I forgot to update NIWA's forecast to this years one and am currently trying to do so while adding in the rest of the forecasts.Jason Rees (talk) 14:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, but you could have updated it before it was written on the page. But also your revert took away more info from the other outlook from BOM which you have not addressed...Why? @Jason Rees:--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- A) Patience is a virtue - im still working on the section. B) You could have avoided all of this trouble by just updating the NIWA forecast.Jason Rees (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I see you did one edit which updated the numbers. Now these numbers are a concern...they encompass an area including outside the Australian region. It stretches into the Pacific as far as Polynesia. This is not part of this region, so this info is irrelevant. The prediction on average to below-average is also only a little portion of the region. This would likely confuse the readers into believing the Australian region will be likely below average, which is not predicted to be at all, especially from BOM. @Jason Rees:--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- You had since 12 October to do it. Patience is nonsense.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- You haven't yet explained why you reverted other parts of my edits which expanded on the BOM outlook including explanation of the developing La Nina and other factors. Why did you do that? @Jason Rees:--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 15:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- The problem we have is that the Southern Hemisphere is not as well defined as the Northern Hemisphere is, since there are no obvious land masses to split the basins up. As a result, there are some who argue that the Australian Region doesnt exist and split the regions up at 135°E including the JTWC. Does that them wrong or their information any less valid just because we split it up at 90 and 160E? I dont think so. As for your point about having since October 12 to update the forecast section, I will point out 3 things. 1) Misplaced Pages has no deadline 2) I am not paid anything to edit Misplaced Pages and it is not my full time job. 3) Not all of the outlooks were issued on October 12 - in fact NIWA and the FMS only issued their forecasts on October 20. 4) I used the phrase Patience is a virtue because I am still working on the section and have in my mind to try and incoropate some of the information you put in.Jason Rees (talk) 15:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Firstly, cyclone seasons have deadlines so your argument is void. Secondly, I'm not paid either. Thirdly, 20 October means you had 11 days to do it so your argument is void again. And if you are still working on it, you could have done it without reverting all my other edits, so you're void again.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 15:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- The article we are working on is Australian region, therefore work along with the region. NIWA information is less relevant because they encompass only a portion of the region. So the number of cyclones in the prediction will count cyclones not applicable to the region. Hope you understand this.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 15:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Firstly, cyclone seasons have deadlines so your argument is void. Secondly, I'm not paid either. Thirdly, 20 October means you had 11 days to do it so your argument is void again. And if you are still working on it, you could have done it without reverting all my other edits, so you're void again.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 15:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- You had since 12 October to do it. Patience is nonsense.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I see you did one edit which updated the numbers. Now these numbers are a concern...they encompass an area including outside the Australian region. It stretches into the Pacific as far as Polynesia. This is not part of this region, so this info is irrelevant. The prediction on average to below-average is also only a little portion of the region. This would likely confuse the readers into believing the Australian region will be likely below average, which is not predicted to be at all, especially from BOM. @Jason Rees:--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- A) Patience is a virtue - im still working on the section. B) You could have avoided all of this trouble by just updating the NIWA forecast.Jason Rees (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I understand that the NIWA prediction is not for the whole region, but the information is still valid for the region and is compiled by the BoM, FMS, MetService. Which is why I have always included in the Australian region, if you wish to change this then I would suggest that you bring up a discussion on the project page and seek the opinon of other editors. Also, there is no deadline for working on a tropical cyclone or a tropical cyclone season as otherwise, we would not be able to accurately reflect the season, a tropical cyclone's intensity or work on historical tropical cyclones. Jason Rees (talk) 15:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not if the NIWA outlook is not updated on the page yet and still displays the 2019 prediction, okay? After you can include the updated NIWA outlook (and not cancelling all the other edits that you had been reverting for no reason) then I can assess, all right? I don't need other opinions. Now, about the deadline, what I mean is that we are supposed to report cyclones as soon as they occur – it is inefficient for Misplaced Pages to only start putting info on a cyclone 50 or so days after the cyclone actually occurred. When a cyclone happens, we report – delaying is not on, so deadlines are relevant here.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 16:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I have already updated it to the 2020 prediction, which is why I reverted and yeah if you want to remove the NIWA prediction from the region you will need a consensus of other peoples opinions. Ideally, yes we shouldn't be putting tropical cyclones on 50 or 60 days after they happened, however, tropical cyclones have been identified in the cold light of day during the post season.Jason Rees (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)