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Kamala Harris
Article: Kamala Harris (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Kamala Harris becomes the first female, Black, and Asian Vice President of the United States (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post; NYTimes; The Guardian; Hong Kong Standard
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (January 20)
- Support This is a history setting event in the United States and was globally covered in the top news. It was also one of the highest viewed inaugurations due in part to enforcement of pandemic social distancing rules and the security crisis in the wake the pro-Trump attack on the US Capitol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C100:16A1:0:0:0:1006 (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Please use Template:ITN candidate for this (and future) nominations, as RD (Recent Deaths) implies that the subject has died, which is not the case in this situation. Gex4pls (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose We have posted the elections but not the inauguration per consensus. I think this blurb is a trivial extension of the inauguration. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The election result was posted on ITN in November; there is no need to post an ITN item for the inauguration as well. Chrisclear (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Affirmed at the point of the election results. --Masem (t) 04:59, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Due to fact it needs to respect the election results that was posted in WP:ITN in November 2020, which she already won alongside with Joe Biden. 180.242.50.227 (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose: Contrary to popular belief, being born a certain way is not an accomplishment, nor is it a matter of historical import. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 06:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and closer per WP:SNOW. Also, the blurb is racist.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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RD: James Cross
Article: James Cross (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; CTV News; Montreal Gazette
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (January 20) Bloom6132 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is pretty good, but a bit on the short side. Gex4pls (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is well referenced and in good shape. Key figure in one of the biggest incidents in Canadian politics. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sibusiso Moyo
Article: Sibusiso Moyo (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; BBC News; Reuters
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- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Fine article, could use a little bulking up. Gex4pls (talk) 21:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
2021 Madrid explosion
Article: 2021 Madrid explosion (talk · history · tag)Blurb: An explosion caused by a gas leak in Madrid, Spain kills at least three people and injures at least eight others. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
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- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Article is a light at the moment as this has just happened and news networks are likely focused elsewhere. Masem (t) 17:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Gas explosions which cause fatalities are common. Frankly, I question whether this incident is even notable enough to have an article. Mlb96 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – "Caused by a gas leak." Fairly frequent. Minor. – Sca (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose accident, hard to believe it even warrants an encyclopedic article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose not a national catastrophe like the Beirut explosion Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There have been many explosions with higher death counts within the last two months, and we don't post those (for good reason) Gex4pls (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
BBC seems to have killed their story – at least the link doesn't work anymore.– Sca (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2021 (UTC)- Because there's an errant "n" in the URL. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh. Fixed. – Sca (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Because there's an errant "n" in the URL. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- For context, in the time since nommed an explosion at an uzbekistani power plant has killed three. Gex4pls (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
(Closed/Withdrawn) Inauguration of Joe Biden
WP:SNOW. The nominator themselves opposed it; de facto withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Inauguration of Joe Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Joe Biden is inaugurated (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/2021-01-19-biden-inauguration-n1254610
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- Nominated by Chrisclear (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Biden's election was posted on ITN in November; there is no need to post an ITN item for his inauguration as well. Chrisclear (talk) 10:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- (ec) We don't usually post inaugurations, which are just formalities; we posted the election. We did post Obama's first one due to its unique nature, but the only first Biden is setting is that he is old. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I agree that this item should not be posted. Chrisclear (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Chrisclear Why did you nominate it if you don't think it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Because I might not be on Misplaced Pages in a few hours to oppose it then. Chrisclear (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Chrisclear Please don't make a nomination unless you support the item being nominated. We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it, especially if the only reason is because the nominator simply won't be on Misplaced Pages later. That's just the way it is, none of us can be here 24/7. As I said, we don't generally post inaugurations. In the event that it was posted per a consensus, consensus can change; we can and have removed posted items. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding "We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it", is that a policy or something you are merely requesting? Chrisclear (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the difference is, given that many practices here are not written down, but I am requesting that you not preemptively nominate something for the simple reason that you won't be around when it might be nominated. If everyone did that, this page would be impossible to manage, sorting out good faith nominations from those just wanting to get their opinion in. The instructions on this page are for those who wish to "suggest a candidate"; you are not suggesting a candidate, you are preemptively nominating something you don't want. That is not nominating a candidate. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding "We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it", is that a policy or something you are merely requesting? Chrisclear (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Chrisclear Please don't make a nomination unless you support the item being nominated. We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it, especially if the only reason is because the nominator simply won't be on Misplaced Pages later. That's just the way it is, none of us can be here 24/7. As I said, we don't generally post inaugurations. In the event that it was posted per a consensus, consensus can change; we can and have removed posted items. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Because I might not be on Misplaced Pages in a few hours to oppose it then. Chrisclear (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Chrisclear Why did you nominate it if you don't think it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- (ec) Just to make sure, you made a nomination with the rationale that it should not be posted? Did we post Trump's? If not, we probably should not post Biden's either, unless there is some extra addition to the blurb, like the extraordinary level of security (which is what is a thing most media focus on these days). --Tone 10:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tone Noting that we did not post the Trump inauguration(hard to link to but the discussion is in the archive). We did post Obama's due to its historic nature. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- 331dot, here's the link for the Trump inauguration: _Inauguration_of_Donald_Trump]] Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tone Noting that we did not post the Trump inauguration(hard to link to but the discussion is in the archive). We did post Obama's due to its historic nature. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I agree that this item should not be posted. Chrisclear (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and close. The Nominator doesn't even want this posted, so why are we discussing it? As above, we posted the election and there's no need to also post the inauguration as it follows directly from that. Unless some unrest occurs or something, but that would be a separate story in its own right to be discussed if and when it happens. — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose of course if something untoward happens like one of the orange followers goes rogue, we can consider it, but this is a run-of-the-mill part of the process, not noteworthy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
*Support I hate to be different this time but I think I should. The inauguration event would be one of the most watched event this world. Even from my-country-centric point of view this is very notable. One of the main tv channel in my country has even scheduled a live report. This, this, and this too. If the nominator opposes this I'll take over. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael This is just a formality; it has long been known Biden will be president starting at noon(even if Trump and the rioters did not know). No first is being set here as with Obama. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Argh, this again. If that's the case then there should be an ITN policy that says "do not nominate news items that discuss a) regular events with a clearly determined outcome beforehand; b) ceremonies and formalities" Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael We used to list it in ITNR as something we don't do, but it was removed. The election was the notable story here, not the formalization of its result. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, if that's the case. I believe I'm not a newcomer here, but the lack of any formal criterion for ITN blurbs still confuses me to this day. I see that "The election, not the inauguration" has already been an informal criterion amongst the regulars here. Someone should really make an unofficial guide to ITN blurbs. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael We used to list it in ITNR as something we don't do, but it was removed. The election was the notable story here, not the formalization of its result. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Argh, this again. If that's the case then there should be an ITN policy that says "do not nominate news items that discuss a) regular events with a clearly determined outcome beforehand; b) ceremonies and formalities" Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael This is just a formality; it has long been known Biden will be president starting at noon(even if Trump and the rioters did not know). No first is being set here as with Obama. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The results of the elections have already been posted. Yes, it will be an act seen by millions of people around the world (including me), but it's still something ordinary that, as they say above, is never published. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment For someone who oppose the posting of this event to become the blurb, it is major event that had significant attention around the world. I rather wait for this to be posted until Joe Biden is actually inaugurated at noon EST, after that it can be discussed whether the blurb can be posted or not. 180.242.50.227 (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- You seem to be saying that it should be posted and then we should discuss whether or not it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 11:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - for Trump, we posted his inauguration as a secondary mention, two days after the event, but the main focus of that story was the 2017 Women's March that occurred because of the inauguration, not the event itself. As for Obama, back in 2009 we did post his first inauguration, but looking at that it feels like ITN was a different beast back then. There are seven stories posted, and each one is less than a line in length. And the discussion was just a couple of people saying let's do it. In 2013, the proposal to post Obama's second inauguration was roundly opposed. So I'd say precedent is that, in the current ITN format, we don't post unless there's something special about it.
- Oppose - Close it. STSC (talk) 13:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Don Sutton
Article: Don Sutton (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Perfectly structured and well-referenced. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks great and the update is sufficient. Rest in peace, I'll greatly miss his commentary. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 04:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 05:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: V. Shanta
Article: V. Shanta (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express ,The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: She was awarded the Padma Vibhushan, the second highest civilian award given by the Government of India.One of India's best cancer specialists. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose citation needed in a sentence which looks like it needs to be updated in any case following her death. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose No prose mention of her death in the article, will revisit if updated JW 1961 Talk 10:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The Rambling Man, Joseywales1961, I've added in a section about her death, with a citation from an RS. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI 02:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2020–21 Central African general election
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Article: 2020–21 Central African general election (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Faustin-Archange Touadéra (pictured) is elected for a second term as President of the Central African Republic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Faustin-Archange Touadéra (pictured) is re-elected as President of the Central African Republic.
News source(s): AP, AfricaNews
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Calmecac5 (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The Constitutional Court has confirmed the incumbent's win. Joofjoof (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-structured and all parts are referenced. African news items are quite underrepresented here in English Misplaced Pages, so I'm quite glad to see some of these came into light in the ITN. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per ITNR. STSC (talk) 12:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support, per above. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Have marked as ready. —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Its an election. Pretty good article too. Gex4pls (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posting as soon as the image is protected at Commons. Now Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gatot Sudjito
Article: Gatot Sudjito (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
WeakSupport article has been created today (which is no problem) but is essentially an orphan which, by the looks of the article, could be remedied. What's there appears to be satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Orphan? The article has been redlinked to Deaths in 2021 since yesterday... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Orphaned in the sense that not one single encyclopedia article bar a trivial list of deaths links to him. Orphan can mean "none or very few" in this sense. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Apologies, I am an en-1, could you explain to me what is the meaning of "bar" in your sentence? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- No worries, I meant "except". I wonder if there are other encyclopedic articles (not just lists of deaths) which could link to this individual? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: The article has been linked to two different articles: his alma mater and his birthplace. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article seems just ok. Gex4pls (talk) 13:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
(Withdrawn) Ice hockey championship host change
Withdrawn. Brandmeister 09:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: 2021 Men's Ice Hockey World Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The International Ice Hockey Federation changes the host of the 2021 men's ice hockey world championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The International Ice Hockey Federation moves the 2021 men's ice hockey world championships from Belarus to another location.
News source(s): IIHF
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Changes /rescheduling of these events are trivial matters for ITN. --Masem (t) 20:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not significant enough for ITN. P-K3 (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing important, just a host change. Gex4pls (talk) 03:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. The target article is mostly tables.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Sammy Nestico
Article: Sammy Nestico (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KUSI, NAFME
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- Nominated by A lad insane (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Unfortunately this one's a long shot - his article needs a refjob badly, there's not much there to update, and I'm fairly sure he's mostly unknown outside of jazz bands/fans. Arranged a ton of stuff for Count Basie and had a ton of compositions for school jazz bands. -- a lad insane (channel two) 08:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as most of it is unreferenced, as noted. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose More unreffed than reffed. Gex4pls (talk) 16:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Updated. Should be up-to-par now; someone uninvolved can make that call. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Abel Gabuza
Article: Abel Gabuza (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: South African archbishop, Covid-19. Article looks reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Invisible article. STSC (talk) 10:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Doh, now fixed Dumelow (talk) 10:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support All good. Gex4pls (talk) 16:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 04:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Nikolay Antoshkin
Article: Nikolay Antoshkin (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Russian air force general and politician who was awarded Hero of the Soviet Union for his role in Chernobyl clean-up efforts. Covid. Davey2116 (talk) 06:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose but support if resolved. I've noticed that one of the article's main sources, www
.warheroes .ru, has a forum on the side. In the forum, I found what seems to be a place for new article submissions. The third-from-top channel forum says: Новые биографии: Сюда выставлять готовые материалы, для публикации на сайте
(New biographies: place ready-made materials here for publication on the site). Could someone who understands Russian investigate if there is any editorial process for the biography materials in the forum? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC) - Comment: The vast bulk of the Military career section relies on 1 reference as mentioned above. Is there any secondary referencing we can use to confirm the info? Spencer 04:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Phil Spector
Article: Phil Spector (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, Rolling Stone, AP, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Please note: TMZ is the only current "quality" RS reporting this (Brit tabloids are next, and...) and while TMZ has generally avoided jumping the gun, I'm looking for better confirmation. Article is a ways away from posting if this is confirmed. (needs a better source) Masem (t) 16:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rolling Stone. gobonobo 16:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just saw that, so confirmed. --Masem (t) 16:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rolling Stone. gobonobo 16:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- So did the Washington Post. But we should be asking ourselves if a murderer should be posted there. Trillfendi (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- RD doesn't care about the ethics of the bio. --Masem (t) 16:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- People get denied for much pettier reasons. Trillfendi (talk) 16:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Citation needed Spman (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- People get denied for much pettier reasons. Trillfendi (talk) 16:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- RD doesn't care about the ethics of the bio. --Masem (t) 16:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The article quality is not there yet, but I would support a blurb in principle - "among the most influential figures in pop music history" as our article says. P-K3 (talk)
- Oppose tagged. Would consider a blurb as per P-K3's observation, although it is questionable to give a murderer a blurb. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, Oppose RD until everything is fully referenced. Mjroots (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD only – when deemed presentable. A known name to several generations, but his age and history militate against a blurb. – Sca (talk) 19:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb for deciding to kill an innocent woman, should have stuck to producing beloved family entertainment, petty but true! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not a chance.--WaltCip-(talk) 23:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- What are you opposing, exactly? The item has been nominated for RD. Nsk92 (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb solely due to significance; if neither Chuck Yeager nor Little Richard got blurbs, neither does Spector. The whole "he's a murderer so doesn't deserve one" smacks of RGW IMO (we could've posted Manson, and I don't remember if we did). – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Manson was posted as RD, there was no consensus for a blurb. P-K3 (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Looking at that discussion it appears that none (or at most very few) of the blurb opponents were doing so because of any moral/Son-of-Sam compunction, but rather due to notability, which I agree with. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Even accepting him as a famous murderer, he's not in my Top Ten of transformative or proficient ones. The Son of Sam totally is. Spector's one sloppy hit mainly just changed public perception of himself, dragging his otherwise A-level music career down to an asterisked A. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I only have issue with using the murder as the sole reason to oppose a blurb. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- I was in a rush, but will now also add that fading away after 80 did this story no favours. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I only have issue with using the murder as the sole reason to oppose a blurb. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Even accepting him as a famous murderer, he's not in my Top Ten of transformative or proficient ones. The Son of Sam totally is. Spector's one sloppy hit mainly just changed public perception of himself, dragging his otherwise A-level music career down to an asterisked A. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Looking at that discussion it appears that none (or at most very few) of the blurb opponents were doing so because of any moral/Son-of-Sam compunction, but rather due to notability, which I agree with. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Manson was posted as RD, there was no consensus for a blurb. P-K3 (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD, leaning oppose blurb. A significant figure in the history of music, but not in the most significant roles in the field. He neither performed nor wrote songs. He took works created by others and produced them well. BD2412 T 00:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per current orange banners, oppose blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. And why the heck are people saying they oppose a blurb when this is just an RD nomination? Am I missing some context here? 106.208.66.63 (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- 'Cuz several users said early on they would support a blurb. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- I showed up fifth and just wanted to fit in. I felt cool, at first. But looking back, you're right, should have opposed the RD listing. Too late to change now, though. I'll remember to stay focused for our inevitable O.J. Simpson "trial", thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose RD as too many unsourced and tagged claims that need verification (BLP still applies). Oppose blurb regardless as the subject is too controversial to sum up in a manner that would be generally accepted. Ritchie333 12:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Spector was famous for producing bankable but artistically corrupt work. He was certainly influential for a time, but he was more infamous than famous, even before the murder. The sui generis rule for blurbs tends to inflate figures in the popular arts. There is no way we'd be blurbing the 28th most important person in modern astronomy. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Over 1.6 million views in two days. Just sayin' ... 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose some unsourced statements in the discography section. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Getting stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 14:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- You should know that any RD nominated within the last seven days is eligible for posting, so it is not stale. It is still possible that the quality issues can be fixed, so this should remain open.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- The key word here is getting. In the real world, it's old news – regardless of what the rule book says. – Sca (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point. That rule was recently adopted by universal consensus, and we will not be ignoring it just to close a nom. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- The key word here is getting. In the real world, it's old news – regardless of what the rule book says. – Sca (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- You should know that any RD nominated within the last seven days is eligible for posting, so it is not stale. It is still possible that the quality issues can be fixed, so this should remain open.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Jubril Martins-Kuyer
Article: Jubril Martins-Kuye (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Premium Times (Nigeria)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nigerian former minister, basics are there. I'll see if I can tidy it up a bit - Dumelow (talk) 12:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support slim but satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Seems adequate. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Philip Wilson (bishop)
Article: Philip Wilson (bishop) (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 5225C (talk · give credit) and Oneworld83 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former Archbishop of Adelaide. Got into a sexual abuse scandal a couple years back. Article is pretty well-referenced in my opinion, I just added an extra one for a previously uncited statement. Juxlos (talk) 09:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose it's in decent condition but more than half of the entire bio is dedicated to (yet another) child abuse scandal. With a main article. I think here it could be summarised down significantly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - I agree, there's too lengthy content about the child abuse cases but overall the article seems OK. STSC (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) LauncherOne
Article: LauncherOne (talk · history · tag)Blurb: LauncherOne becomes the first liquid-fueled aircaft-launched rocket to reach orbit. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Virgin Orbit performs the first successful launch of LauncherOne, a liquid fuelled orbital rocket launched from an aircraft
News source(s): WaPo, Space.com, Guardian, BBC, Bloomblerg
Credits:
- Nominated by Nsk92 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CRS-20 (talk · give credit), Jrcraft Yt (talk · give credit) and Nsk92 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The first successful launch of a liquid-fueled rocket from an airplane to reach orbit. (Also delivered 10 mini-satellites for NASA). As such, I believe the item qualifies for ITNR: "The first and last launches of any type of rocket." The article seems to be fairly well referenced. There is one 'clarification needed' tag in the lede that still needs to be addressed (or that sentence removed). Nsk92 (talk) 02:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is ITNR and the article seems reasonably developed, but there are a bunch of uncited statements that I've tagged with {{cn}}. Those need references before posting. I've also added an altblurb. Modest Genius 12:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I have added a number of references that addressed all of the 'cn' and 'update needed' tags. Nsk92 (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. There's one cn left in the table, but I don't think that's worth holding up posting. Nice work. Modest Genius 15:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, thank you. I had missed that tag in the table. Upon further review, I removed that item from the table as it appears to be obsolete. An Oct 31, 2020 news report indicates that when Virgin Orbit acquired a stake in Sky and Space Global, they cancelled their lauch contract. The report says that "The contract would be replaced by two other agreements", including an "A$1 million per annum launch services and consulting agreement, commencing on 1 July 2021". But there are no specific new launch dates mentioned there or in any other articles covering the stake acquisition. So until and unless new information becomes available, I took the line about that planned launch out of the table. Nsk92 (talk) 17:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. There's one cn left in the table, but I don't think that's worth holding up posting. Nice work. Modest Genius 15:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I have added a number of references that addressed all of the 'cn' and 'update needed' tags. Nsk92 (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support surprised to see the bias towards politics and disasters that ITN has been going for lately. 2601:602:9200:1310:20AD:98FB:41D9:D7C6 (talk) 20:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's now been 36 hours since this ITNR nomination and no-one has any remaining objections. Marking ready, despite the low number of support !votes. Modest Genius 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Absence of posted opposition isn't prima facie evidence of a consensus to post. – Sca (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support While it does technically occur in the ITN/R criteria, it just seems so specific. Gex4pls (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support It's ITN/R. Article appears to be sufficiently cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Chris Cramer
Article: Chris Cramer (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CAWylie (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: BBC journalist and executive who was a hostage in the Iranian embassy siege. New article by above user, short but decent - Dumelow (talk) 08:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose not convinced this individual passes BLP1E really, it's all about the siege and not much else. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- I've expanded it a little and added some new sources. I think being head of CNN International for 11 years pushes him over the notability boundary - Dumelow (talk) 16:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks ok. P-K3 (talk) 01:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support I do not see anything which would cause me pause. Jurisdicta (talk) 03:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: If being head of CNN international is what gives him notability, then would like to see more than 1 sentence about what he did in that role. Spencer 04:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed. – Sca (talk) 17:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Spencer What gives him notability is his longstanding efforts to improve the safety and well-being of the journalists reporting from dangerous locations, such as the founding of the International News Safety Institute. That work overlaps him time both at the BBC and CNN. I have added to the article, and hopefully it does a good enough job of explaining this.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Not exactly thrilled by what's there but meets minimum standards and there's adequate consensus to post. Spencer 04:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sergi Mingote
Article: Sergi Mingote (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Nominator's comments: Spanish alpinist, dies after an accident in K2. Article looks fine. Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's a stub, mostly about his death. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose concerns over BLP1E and in any case, a stub. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Pedro Trebbau
Article: Pedro Trebbau (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:
- Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German-born, Venezuelan zoologist. NoonIcarus (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Thin, not properly sourced. I've just updated the tense, but the death isn't mentioned in the text. The body does not mention the notable book mentioned in the lead. Works could do with thinning; the only one with any significant citations in Google Scholar is The Turtles of Venezuela. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict: Thanks! I have included a description about his death in the main body. From what I understand, would it be advisable to remove or merge the Works section? --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- For academics known for their publications it's usual to include their authored books plus a short (3–5) list of their most highly cited research articles. In this case, everything that Google Scholar found significant citations for was one or more editions of The Turtles of Venezuela, but you might include a small selection of other articles to show he wasn't just interested in turtles. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per everything above. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Juan Carlos Copes
Article: Juan Carlos Copes (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (France24)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Argentinean Argentine Tango dancer. Work in progress, I've expanded and reffed it a bit. Looking to replace the references to his own website. Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: OK, I've replaced the refs to Copes' website and overhauled the structure of the article. I think it's OK now - Dumelow (talk) 08:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
RD: Bheki Ntuli
Article: Bheki Ntuli (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ENCA (South Africa)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Bit short but article looks to be in reasonably good nick (newly created by above user) - Dumelow (talk) 07:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sayidiman Suryohadiprojo
Article: Sayidiman Suryohadiprojo (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Work in progress, will finish this in 3—5 hours. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support pretty fast work.
Last sentence of the "Deployments" section is uncited thoughresolved. Juxlos (talk) 09:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC) - Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support It looks fine. I concur with Juxlos about the Deployments section but otherwise it should be passable. Ricky250 (talk) 12:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Apologies for exceeding the planned timeframe (it is now about 10 hours); the article is now 90% complete. I would add some more pictures in the remaining 10%. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Now 95%. Adding later life between 1999 and 2021, medal ribbons, and legacy. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Consider it done now. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 19:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Ugandan election
Article: 2021 Ugandan general election (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Yoweri Museveni is re-elected as President of Uganda (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sputink (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Number 57 (talk · give credit) and Calmecac5 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Disputed by the opposition, but probably to nobody's surprise, M7 is victorious again. — Amakuru (talk) 20:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per ITNR. STSC (talk) 21:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - as far as I can see it also looks OK quality-wise, mostly thanks to the updaters mentioned above. There's lots of cited text, and I've added a prose summary of the results and reactions so far. — Amakuru (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment the Museveni article is quite bad and has multiple tags, the section starting
Yoweri Museveni, the man who loves wearing big hats as described on BBC
probably the worst. I'll try to improve it. Election article looks good. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)- Hmm that's a shame. Museveni used to be an FA back in the distant mists of time when I first started editing. It's not strictly necessary for it to be improved for this hook as it's not the bolded link, but would be good if you can get it improved anyway. — Amakuru (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – There's not much on the military entering Wine's home property, which reportedly occurred Friday, or on him alleging voter fraud. – Sca (talk) 23:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure there is much known about the fraud at present, other than that Wine alleges it. I'll try and add a bit more on that and the break-in you mention tomorrow morning, if nobody else does so first. — Amakuru (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support per STSC, good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is good and the event itself has the significance. Ricky250 (talk) 12:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is OK. I would prefer that it also contains something about the parliamentary elections, but I guess that'll have to come later. Juxlos (talk) 13:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Coverage Sunday of Wine's alleged arrest, his National Unity Party saying it will challenge election tally. – Sca (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The election article could do with more information about the response to the results; we have held out for two or three solid paragraphs in the past. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Is this just going to be a thing in every worldwide election from now on, where the opposition party claims fraud? --WaltCip-(talk) 17:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Nah, that's always been a thing, mostly outside the west Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- This will be the norm only in bandana republics. – Sca (talk) 19:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Nah, that's always been a thing, mostly outside the west Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is sufficiently updated in my view. P-K3 (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 08:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting support. The election of a national leader is significant. There is no reason to suppose Bobi Wine's complaints will lead anywhere.Calmecac5 (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
First winter ascent of K2
Article: K2 (talk · history · tag)Blurb: A group of Nepali climbers completes the first successful winter ascent of K2, making it the last eight-thousander ascended in winter. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: K2 was the most famous and challenging unclimbed peak in winter conditions. The story receives front-page coverage and seems to be of high encyclopedic value. Also, the article is in good shape and the update is sufficient. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support if this is the last of the Eight-thousanders to be ascended in the winter. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, indeed. The article you're linking to mentions it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support on notability but oppose on quality We have posted other world records in various sports and this one is more interesting because it's a "World's first"-type record and ,therefore, it's technically unbeatable. With that said,the K2 article needs some work, there are several red links and cn tags Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Scaramouche33: Redlinks don't matter so long as there's reasonable expectation that the article will eventually exist, even FA's allow them. I'll see what I can do with the CN tags. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support This is pretty much the holy grail of eight thousander mountaineering, which was impossible until now. Albertaont (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose target article has more than a dozen tags. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Need to resolve citation tags.—Bagumba (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Cleanup first. STSC (talk) 12:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Salleh Abas
Article: Salleh Abas (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thesundaily.my/local/ex-lord-president-salleh-abas-dies-updated-BL6148113
Credits:
- Nominated by Ricky250 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Ricky250 (talk) 09:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose this has been tagged for nearly 12 years. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "tagged for nearly 12 years"? CyberTroopers (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- There was a "disputed" maintenance tag on top of the page which was dated February 2009. Check the history. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oops my bad, I have fixed the first paragraph and added a citation for the case. I hope you can change your stance. Sorry for my inexperience, this was my first time nominating an article on EN Wiki. Let me know if there's anything more wrong with the article. Ricky250 (talk) 10:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- No problem, I was just saying why I couldn't support, immediately. I'll take a closer look later. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. :) Ricky250 (talk) 10:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- No problem, I was just saying why I couldn't support, immediately. I'll take a closer look later. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "tagged for nearly 12 years"? CyberTroopers (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Very notable person. CyberTroopers (talk) 10:33, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Notability is not a requirement at RD (and hasn't been for years), as long as the individual has a standalone article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support. Two claims in the article, at Early life paragraph 3 and Constitutional crisis paragraph 6, are not referenced and there's one When tag at the Honours section, especially given the fact that BLP applies. However the article is in good shape, and meets criteria 1-2 for RDs. GeraldWL 14:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- I added two refs in regards to the paragraphs. About honour, i'll see what I can find. Thank you for the support. :) Ricky250 (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 19:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dustin Higgs
Article: Dustin Higgs (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/16/us/politics/dustin-higgs-executed.html
Credits:
- Nominated by DrewieStewie (talk · give credit)
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DrewieStewie (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Executed by the US Government on January 16. While this innocent death is absolutely fucking outrageous (excuse my French) and the execution is full of controversies, he has still died none the less, the death itself is notable on a political level (but not for a blurb), and the article quality looks good for RD. DrewieStewie (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Significant, fine work. GeraldWL 08:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support with regret another proud moment for Trump and his legacy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
OpposeComment – As noted regarding the Lisa Montgomery nomination, this nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Higgs lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – Sca (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)- You can't oppose an RD on significance, which of course you know. The precedent you cite did not have a stand alone article, this one does. It has citation to varied sources, no real chance for AfD. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh yeah. Okay, relabeled as a comment, then. (Though IMO the same principle applies, i.e. "we are not a DT ticker.") – Sca (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- If it's any relief, he was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced back in BC, and had his appeals denied on another two watches. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh yeah. Okay, relabeled as a comment, then. (Though IMO the same principle applies, i.e. "we are not a DT ticker.") – Sca (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Arguable, Higgs and Montegomery have the same situaiton around notabilty and BLPCRIME - Higgs shouldn't have an article, as he isn't notable for anything but the crime, though yes, there was controversy around his death sentence, but so was in the case of Montgomery. Just because there wasn't a standalone for Montgomery should not have stopped the RD for that because having a standalne is not a required, only a sufficient condition. --Masem (t) 17:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- If it's not a suitable biography (no opinion on my part), it's best for the RD process if this page was either formally AfDed or renamed—either boldly or via RM.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- You can't oppose an RD on significance, which of course you know. The precedent you cite did not have a stand alone article, this one does. It has citation to varied sources, no real chance for AfD. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I'd strongly prefer some sort of blurb about this last-minute run of federal executions, that might also encompass Lisa Montgomery. I'm not sure why Higgs has an article while Montgomery does not. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Because this case had too many victims for a "Murder of..." pseudobio, and not enough for an event article. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Benjamin de Rothschild
Article: Benjamin de Rothschild (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Financial Times; Haaretz; Bloomberg
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- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Bloom6132 (talk) 21:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - I bought shares through his investment company. He should be remembered. STSC (talk) 10:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies, need a second opinion here: is this a valid RD support? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you don't laugh. STSC (talk) 23:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article long enough and well-referenced; lead summarizes the points of the article. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Spencer 19:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Osian Ellis
Article: Osian Ellis (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Legendary Welsh harpist and composer. Better referenced than it was. - The news came on 15 January, but died on 6 January. Can we treat him like 15? Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. A leading Welsh harpist. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. G2G. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. @Gerda Arendt: Not sure if you saw changes in posting RDs, but for anyone whose death occurred or announced in the past 7 days will be posted at the top of the list, and then will age off as new RD (from any time point) are posted above it. Spencer 22:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sjarifuddin Baharsjah
Article: Sjarifuddin Baharsjah (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Apparently (per source 2 and the lede), he was chairman of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, but the body of the article has no information about this. (When? What did he do in that role?) Spencer 01:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Spencer: Fixed. The chairman is most likely a formality only, no info can be found about the works. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - short but seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 07:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Meets minimum standards. Spencer 19:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Resignation of Dutch Cabinet over child welfare fraud scandal
Article: Netherlands child welfare fraud scandal (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured) and his Cabinet resign as a result of the child welfare fraud scandal, with new elections planned for March 2021. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The article is woefully short and I don't know enough about it to help expand, but if I am reading this correctly, while Rutte will remain as acting PM until March to make sure there is leadership, he could be out come these elections in March if his party doesn't get the majority. So effectively the start of a new election cycle. Masem (t) 22:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Support significance, oppose stubplease please flesh this out. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)- Support massively expanded from nl.wiki, good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment For someone who nominated this article (Masem), the resignation of Mark Rutte as Dutch PM is actually a WP:ITNR which it means "a change of head of government" which includes a resignation. So i would "Support" this to be posted if this article needs to be updated and improved due to significance. 36.65.38.213 (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Having dug a bit deeper, there are regular elections coming up in March regardless of this. And while Rutte has resigned, he is remaining on until that point; he could be re-estated if his party wins and he's named back to that position, in a case that they're using the election sort of a vote of no confidence. So I'm not sure if this is ITNR but it definitely feels like an ITN regardless on its own merits. --Masem (t) 01:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem, STSC, and Mjroots: Just to note, the resignation is largely symbolic. They are barely "taking responsibility" as elections were coming up anyways. Also, the VVD was okay with remaining in power, but the other parties in the cabinet (CDA, D66 and the CU) wanted the cabinet to resign. They will continue dealing with COVID as if nothing happened as a demissionary cabinet. Now I may be a bit of a cynic, but this may very well result in more votes for these parties in the upcoming election, as people think "wow, they are taking responsibility!" and then vote for them. Whether it's ITN worthy, I dunno. I guess. But I think the shit in Hong Kong is actually much more important than this despite the Dutch news being much closer to me personally. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Having dug a bit deeper, there are regular elections coming up in March regardless of this. And while Rutte has resigned, he is remaining on until that point; he could be re-estated if his party wins and he's named back to that position, in a case that they're using the election sort of a vote of no confidence. So I'm not sure if this is ITNR but it definitely feels like an ITN regardless on its own merits. --Masem (t) 01:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Any resignation of a prime minister is certainly significant news. STSC (talk) 02:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Something that isn't obscure, yet not that notable. I still support the creation of this article regardless. DavidCostell44 (talk) 04:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - A government taking collective responsibility when something has gone wrong is an extremely rare thing nowadays. Mjroots (talk) 06:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. 331dot (talk) 11:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 Sulawesi earthquake
Article: 2021 Sulawesi earthquake (talk · history · tag)Blurb: An earthquake on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi kills at least 35 people and injures hundreds of others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC NYT, AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Developing. Several dead Sherenk1 (talk) 06:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- The article is already in a good shape. 27 dead at the moment. --Tone 07:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Tone: Information can be changed. Until now, there are 35 people killed. 110.137.127.103 (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Significant, recent. Article's in fine shape. GeraldWL 12:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support - the article is easily good enough & the earthquake important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support 35 deaths is a lot, and that is likely to rise. Gex4pls (talk) 13:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle, pending results of search for survivors. – Sca (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Posted with updated numbers from the article. --Jayron32 14:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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January 2021 arrests of Hong Kong pro-democracy activists
Article: January 2021 arrests of Hong Kong pro-democracy activists (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Police raid and arrest pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/hong-kong-11-more-national-security-arrests-over-attempted-boat-escape-to-taiwan
Nominator's comments: Very much overshadowed by the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol (and suggested to be timed to be overshadowed by said storming, I had missed it too), the least we could do is put it in the ITN section. The headline "In Hong Kong it now looks like opposition is against the law" says it all really and sadly isn't clickbait. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Suggested blurb for entry. - Indefensible (talk) 07:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- The problem is, this happend on Jan 6, and there were reports then (the larger media sources slower to pick up on it), so this may be stale. --Masem (t) 15:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: There were 11 additional arrests on Jan 14. IMHO the resignation of the Dutch cabinet (still the second bullet point on ITN) is more stale than this. It came as a bit of a surprise as it wasn't really announced before it happened, but now we are already moving on as it isn't that big of a deal in practice. The effects of the Hong Kong arrests of pro-democracy activists will probably be felt for years if not decades. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sadly arrests of pro-democracy figures have become a common occurrence in Hong Kong since the security law was enacted (which we posted as a blurb). We can't post every time an opposition figure is arrested; ITN usually waits for convictions anyway, though those might be inevitable in these cases. The article focuses on the 53 arrests on 6 Jan, with only a couple of sentences on the 11 arrests on 14 Jan. Modest Genius 12:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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