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| == Recommend deletion of article == | |||
| If any evidence were needed for the sad state of Misplaced Pages, this article is it. ] (]) 19:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :We usually give reasons for deleting articles rather than snark. ] | ] 20:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
| How about this, then? As some skeptic podcasts have said, this website lies beyond the pale of rigorous criticism because it's obviously the product of a disturbed mind, and mental illness is neither funny nor is its logic open to serious analysis.] (]) 00:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::The reason you gave is not a valid reason to delete the article. Mein Kampf was written by a man with a disturbed mind and yet we still have an enormous article on it...and several strange books written by minor figures have also garnered notable attention and have articles. Just because it is a confusing (if not meaningless rant) book not worthy of academic study...doesn't mean it is not a notable subject for an article. Try to quote an actual policy rather than personal distaste. ] | ] 00:38, 2 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::By that logic, a lot of literature may be missing from Misplaced Pages. Off the top of my head, "Galileo Was Wrong" is a modern geocentric book with thousands of pages. I found it a while back from Wiki's "Modern Geocentrism" article, which has been deleted. So while I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, this all begs the question of what exactly is the metric for page inclusion in cases like Time Cube, and even moreso for equally pseudoscientific ideas that have larger bases of adherents and published works (versus one man, and the many who mock him). Is it determined by the woeful inaccuracy, internet popularity, impact on personal lives or the educational system, exhaustiveness/effort/artistry/complexity, mental state/personal life of author, or deviation from established thought? Or not the work itself, but how well its existence and reaction to it illustrates ideas about the nature of philosophy, religion, culture, history, human behavior, cognitive dissonance, and so on? In short, is Time Cube worth inclusion in an encyclopedia? If so, by what measures and how are they applied to other works? And if not, is it Wiki's place to indirectly yet essentially erase its historical existence, since it would remain one of the few places that covered it as time passed? What is Wiki's responsibility in terms of items whose very inclusion or exclusion implies condemnation or support, based on the question-ability of why it's considered encyclopedic content? ] (]) 19:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| :Hmmm. So it does a simple substring match on the URL? That is unfortunate. In this case the archive.org version is perfectly safe but still matches. --] (]) 07:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::I suppose that makes sense, otherwise spammers could just link to recent archive.org copies of their pages. | |||
| ::We could request whitelisting of these particular URLs - the first one seems useful to have somewhere so that the reader can actually see what the Time Cube site looked like, but the second seems redundant (it's supporting a $1,000 prize for disproving him when we have an actual secondary source supporting $10,000). --] (]) 07:50, 3 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::I have hidden the messages for now, so most readers probably won't notice it anyway. You could try the whitelist approach as well of course. ] (]) 12:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::The URL is still compromised (as of now), I have reverted an IP edit claiming otherwise. ] (]) 07:48, 11 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Are you sure? I did a text comparison of the source code of the current version and a Wayback Machine crawl from April. They are bit-for-bit identical.--] (]) 17:04, 11 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::::This morning, shortly before my revert, the link was still redirecting to a survey spam page. Now it shows a different page "TIME CUBE 4ce", which is possibly the correct site - at least it looks like it. ] (]) 18:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::It appears the correct website is there now, it shows the 10,000 reward. I will fix the article. --] (]) 15:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::For context, archive.org shows the site as being blank apart from some dodgy-looking Javascript redirect code, from late August through to September 12. From a whois, timecube dot com expired on August 24 and is registered with Network Solutions who . The archive.org history returns to normal on September 12, perhaps when the original owner restored the domain, or when someone else bought it up and decided to host the old content there. | |||
| ::::::If we're happy that the site is now safe, we should take it off the MediaWiki blacklist. --] (]) 15:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::: As of May 20, 2016, The domain 'timecube.com' seems to have been renewed, though there's no web host that responds to queries at it. You can do a 'whois' of a domain, and it shows creation date: 1997-08-25T04:00:00Z, expiration date: 2016-08-24T04:00:00Z, Tech Name: Ray, Gene. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ] they're still getting redirected to a spam page, months later. Any chance this a cached copy of an old version of the site? It's fine when I look at it, and that's without any ad-blockers or anything. (It looks like the URL never got taken off of the blacklist, either way.) --] (]) 23:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :I cleared my cache so, if it is cached, it isn't locally to me. Let me try something: | |||
| :*Fires up Chromium (not my usual browser) | |||
| :*Clears cookies and cache. | |||
| :*Goes to www . timecube . com | |||
| :*Gets redirected to a blank page on dsnextgen . com. Notes that the page source of the blank page is "<nowiki><html><head></head><body><!-- vbe --></body></html></nowiki>" | |||
| :*Googles dsnextgen and finds that it is regarded as a malware site. | |||
| :*Goes back to www . timecube . com and views source. There is an iframe there. That contains other stuff on other sites. Presumably, underneath a few more layers of turtles, will be the redirect somewhere. | |||
| :So my theory is that many people are using Windows with a virus scanner that detects and quietly blocks the redirect while I, using Linux, am safe without such a scanner so I get redirected to the malware site, not that it can hurt me. | |||
| :Only other possibilities I can see are transparent caching at my ISP (not sure how to check that) or some browser/OS specific content on the pages. | |||
| :--] (]) 10:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ==AfD again== | ==AfD again== | ||
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AfD again
"It is not even wrong". I vote for its deletion. Zezen (talk) 22:45, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
doctor's degree
Does he really have a PhD? Couldn't find anything about it, just that he started to call himself Dr. in 2002. ----
Suicide of Richard Janczarski
This section does not include any mention of Janczarski commiting suicide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.162.80.73 (talk) 20:17, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- True. The reason is given here as an edit summary. --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- I've removed "Suicide of" from the heading as it's no longer applicable to the content. Schazjmd (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Help a Newbie Out
I made a few contributions to the page, mostly based on the past edit of Richard Janczarski's death being removed, but in return was mostly removed by a user named User:Schazjmd(I don't know how to link to names, hopefully what I did works). Hopefully he can help me out? I am new to wikipedia editing of course, and I understand why some of my edit's were removed, but I have a few questions. I hope I am typing this in the right place to even communicate this.
1. Why doesn't Fredrik Knudsen's documentary Down The Rabbit Hole on this topic not constitute as a source? In my view this would constitute as the greatest source outside of what is on the Cubic Awareness Online website/TimeCube website or their owners direct statements. If the documentary does constitute as a source, I'd like to know how to revise the edits I made to better suit this wikipage to better improve the accuracy of this article instead of just throwing everything from it out the window.
2. Richard Janczarski killed himself. This fact isn't really in dispute. I'd like to know why attempts to bring light of this significant event in TimeCubes history keep getting removed. So far it has just been "insignificant" source claims with both the Down The Rabbit Hole documentary and his gravestone. I understand just some random gravestone that could be his being removed, but this is definitely and not in dispute his gravestone.
A lot of TimeCube's history has gone unarchived, leading to these conflicts of not having any direct sources, but I am confused as why events that did take place and did happen to a definite degree are unable to be attributed to the TimeCube wikipage just because the evidence for them happening isn't retrievable, yet comments made in a school newspaper are somehow used as a proper source.
TL;DR Am a newbie, but want to better flesh out this article. Can someone help me out? UPDATED: Found reasons why that stuff was removed in earlier post, can it further be explained to me so I can fully understand and work around those imposed limitations? I just don't understand why it's so hard to express the fact that he died by suicide, which is important in relation to the article. Also, how can the Down The Rabbit Hole source be changed to better suit the claims made here? It feels like a complete waste just tossing it out because it says more than what it's being sourced for.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by ThyShyFly (talk • contribs) 21:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- ThyShyFly, content requires reliable, independent sources for verifiability (learn more at WP:RS). User-generated content sources like YouTube are not considered reliable (with limited exceptions, which Knudsen's video doesn't meet). This is an article about a specific website, so Janczarski's death isn't relevant unless there is a reliable source noting it and connecting it to TimeCube in some way. Schazjmd (talk) 22:08, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Richard Janczarski
A recent edit by user:Prinsgezinde has removed Richard Janczarski in his entirety from the article. He states, "None of this is sourced anyway. If we're not going to write about him committing suicide because there is no source for it, why mention him at all? There is no source for him."
Going back into the history, the whole Richard Janczarski part had two sources, one linking to one of his youtube videos and the other to a radio interview. Neither really supported anything they were sourced to.
Despite the lack of evidence, I personally think the removal of the Richard Janczarski section is disappointing, as he was a huge part of the TimeCube saga, I'd even go as far to say that he was more important than Dr. Jene Ray himself just due to Richard's website, CubicAwarenessOnline, really making it clear (at least as clear as TimeCube can be) what TimeCube is about. Currently, other wiki related websites are leagues above this article on wikipedia just due to them having more information with regards to TimeCube.
Here are some important links related to Richard Janczarski.
https://yadi.sk/d/t8cdVYIpjMEPn in this radio interview, Richard Janczarski admits he got kicked out of university but got re-enrolled because of TimeCube. The interviewer also uses the term "Cubicist" to describe people who believed in TimeCube. Also gives the background behind his "Second Wisist Human" title. http://web.archive.org/web/20200220173816/http://cubicao.tk/CubicAwarenessOnline This is an archive of the CubicAwarenessOnline website, describes TimeCube in its entirety, and was the website around the GraveyardoftheGods community. https://www.youtube.com/user/Pyramid0rz Richard Janczarski's official youtube account, has lots of TimeCube videos with two seperate movie projects on it.
Lots more links, these are just some I had handy. I just think Richard Janczarski's entire removal from the wikipage would be a disappointment. Want to see what other editors think though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThyShyFly (talk • contribs) 19:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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