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| Please stop adding Korean ] to the list ''other traditional clothing'' that was influenced by ancient Chinese clothing. Please take note of ]. ] originated from a different tradition of clothing style, and has important differences to ancient Chinese clothing. The basic composition of Hanbok is an upper garment, ''jeogori'', and a lower garment, ''baji''. The lower garment, ''baji'', are trousers, introduced to ancient Korea by steppe cultures that is adapted to horse-riding. This style is called ''hu'' clothing in China, which means barbarian clothing, and it was first introduced to China by ], who decided that Chinese clothing was not fit for horse-riding, and adopted clothing of northern nomadic cultures, ''hu'' clothing, for his cavalry forces. Chinese style clothing either consists of a robe without pants or uses skirts as the lower garment. This distinction is clearly made in this very article, where it says Han Chinese use skirts called ''chang'', and Manchu use pants called ''ku''. Japanese ] is an example of clothing that is stylistically related to traditional Chinese clothing, which consists of either a piece of robe or a two-piece garment with the lower garment being a skirt. If you wish to add some traditional Korean clothing, please add a valid type of clothing based on reliable sources and common sense. By common sense, I mean not confusing a clothing style that uses trousers and a clothing style that uses skirts. I think a good candidate is ] to mention as a type of traditional Korean clothing related to traditional Chinese clothing. According to the Encylopedia of Korean Culture, ''dopo'' is a type of overcoat commonly wore by Confucians during Joseon dynasty. It originated from the Buddhist monk clothing ''jangsam'', which itself came from China, reflecting China's climate and clothing style. ] (]) 14:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| Hanbok is related to the hanfu!! ] (]) 22:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Hanbok is not related to ancient Chinese clothing
Please stop adding Korean Hanbok to the list other traditional clothing that was influenced by ancient Chinese clothing. Please take note of Hanbok#History. Hanbok originated from a different tradition of clothing style, and has important differences to ancient Chinese clothing. The basic composition of Hanbok is an upper garment, jeogori, and a lower garment, baji. The lower garment, baji, are trousers, introduced to ancient Korea by steppe cultures that is adapted to horse-riding. This style is called hu clothing in China, which means barbarian clothing, and it was first introduced to China by King Wuling of Zhao, who decided that Chinese clothing was not fit for horse-riding, and adopted clothing of northern nomadic cultures, hu clothing, for his cavalry forces. Chinese style clothing either consists of a robe without pants or uses skirts as the lower garment. This distinction is clearly made in this very article, where it says Han Chinese use skirts called chang, and Manchu use pants called ku. Japanese kimono is an example of clothing that is stylistically related to traditional Chinese clothing, which consists of either a piece of robe or a two-piece garment with the lower garment being a skirt. If you wish to add some traditional Korean clothing, please add a valid type of clothing based on reliable sources and common sense. By common sense, I mean not confusing a clothing style that uses trousers and a clothing style that uses skirts. I think a good candidate is Dopo (clothing) to mention as a type of traditional Korean clothing related to traditional Chinese clothing. According to the Encylopedia of Korean Culture, dopo is a type of overcoat commonly wore by Confucians during Joseon dynasty. It originated from the Buddhist monk clothing jangsam, which itself came from China, reflecting China's climate and clothing style. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 14:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Hanbok is related to the hanfu!! Lizzycozy (talk) 22:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 28 July 2020
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is a rough consensus here that the scope of this article is specifically the Hanfu clothing, and doesn't cover clothing from other peoples of China. This was regarded by some as making a false equivalence between Chinese culture and Han culture, such that the speficic Hanfu, as previously used, was more accurate and neutral. — Amakuru (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Ancient Chinese clothing → Hanfu – The current topic cannot describe this page correctly. First of all, Hanfu itself has nothing to do with ethnic-minority groups or someting like that. If you say a costume named after nationalities will have a race problem, how about Kimono and Hanbok, or Việt Phục? Secondly, Hanfu is not just an ancient clothing, many people wear it nowadays just like Kimono. Third, Hanfu is much more commonly used than the so called ancient Chinese clothing. 芄蘭 (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth ed. 03:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- No, because hanfu 漢服 is a neologism afaik.
- Clothing in ancient China might be a better title.--RZuo (talk) 01:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that your reason doesn't make sense. Hanfu (what it means today) is widely used in China and abroad, just like the term ″Pirates of the Caribbean″. Both of them have been used for nearly two decades.芄蘭 (talk) 08:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, we make it clear in the article that we are only talking about hanfu at the expense of the other minority groups. Chinese =/= Han Chinese and the current title seems to continue a history of racism and han supremacy. TBH I would feel comfortable calling the current title racist, it needs to go. Example: "The style of historical Han clothing can be summarized as containing garment elements that are arranged in distinctive and sometimes specific ways. This is different from the traditional garment of other ethnic groups in China, most notably the Manchu-influenced clothes, the qipao, which is popularly considered to be the de facto traditional Han Chinese garb. A comparison of the two styles can be seen as the following provides:” Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:27, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree with you. There are many ethnic groups in Chinese(such as Korean, Mongolian and Tibetan). Their costumes are very diverse.芄蘭 (talk) 08:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hanfu is a term used for the historical styles of clothing worn in China by the Han Chinese
Inaccurate phrasing; implies that hanfu clothing originated from the Han Chinese, which seems to be untrue.
https://chinamarketadvisor.com/chinese-hanfu-history-how-to-wear/ Invisigurl (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hanbok, Korea
Did you know Dongbukgongjeong? It is the China' government's project to make Korean history, to China history. Actually, Hanfu is one of Dongbukgongjeong, too. It means China's traditional cloth is Chipao, but they still saying "our traditional cloth is hanfu(fusion Hanbok). Yes, there are the Hanfu, too. It is China's cloth that influenced by Hanbok. But China still saying fusion Habok is Hanfu!!
Please edit them, Lizzycozy. Lizzycozy (talk) 12:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Hanfu is not related to Dongbukgongjeong. I don't think that rumours and speculations have any places on this Misplaced Pages page Aklys Erida (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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Origin of Term Hanfu
Lately, there have been many edits on the origin of the term Hanfu. This is what I have found about it being termed by internet users:
→ "The term hanfu was coined by internet users recently to describe the clothing of Han people in ancient China before Qing Dynasty (1644-1911)." (China Daily, 2019)
→ " said Zhou, referring to the term coined by internet users to describe clothing worn by Han Chinese before the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911)." (China.org.cn, 2019)
The only websites which mention that "The term "Hanfu" was created in recent years by Internet users to describe the Han people's clothing during the Han Dynasty (206 BC – 220 AD)" is from website ChinaHighlights (which is blacklisted by Misplaced Pages). However, from the China Today, it is written that "Most people think that Hanfu refers to the costumes of the Han Dynasty (206 BC - AD 220), which is a misunderstanding. Hanfu first appeared in China more than 3,000 years ago and was evolved with fashion in the following dynasties".
Moreover, generally, most journal articles and newspaper articles and websites that I have seen refer to the Hanfu as the clothing of the Han ethnic Chinese in China worn for thousand of years before the Manchu Conquest and before the establishment of Qing Dynasty:
→ As seen in all links I have put above and the following links below
→ https://www.koreascience.or.kr/article/JAKO200916263468106.pdf
→ https://www.theworldofchinese.com/2013/06/a-brief-intro-to-hanfu/
→ https://www.cnn.com/style/article/hanfu-rise-intl-hnk/index.html
→ https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1098370.shtml
N.B. All the sources above are written in English. Aklys Erida Aklys Erida (talk) 15:26, 2 February 2021 (UTC) Aklys Erida
More sources needed
I was wondering if anyone has more sources which could be used to develop the following section:
- Six dynasties (also known as Wei, Jin, Northern and Southern dynasties)
- Sui dynasty
Side note: I am adding as much info that I can found from English sources; but in all transparency, I feel that those info should be double-checked with their corresponding Chinese sources, if possible.
For example, gown and robe has been used in English literature and scholarly journals and books, but it could also be "Shenyi" or "Paofu" if written in Chinese literature. Because of that, I tried to keep the terms used as closely as I could find it in English literature, e.g. I kept it as Shenyi and Paofu whenever the authors call it as such.
- My Chinese is not high enough for academic papers, which is why I favour english sources, I am sorry that this is the limit of my contribution to this Misplaced Pages page.
There are a lot of Chinese articles which talk about Han Chinese clothing but are unfortunately not available in English; the database that I know of and which is open accessed is the following :
- http://www.cnsilk.cn/en/ (while the full-text tends to be in Chinese, the abstracts are usually in English).
Thank you for all your dedication and hard work,
Aklys Erida Aklys Erida (talk) 03:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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