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User:1B6

User:1B6 has posted on my talk page () (3 days ago, but since the last time I checked Misplaced Pages) asking to be blocked. That user then vandalised their own userpage () and talkpage (), and reverted the vandalism on their own userpage with a note implying that the account has been compromised (). I'm reporting the issue here now, but as the user has not edited for almost 2 days this probably isn't urgent. --ais523 10:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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User:Raspor

For several weeks now a highly aggressive and partisan new contributor, Raspor, has been causing serious disruption at Intelligent design, Talk:Intelligent design, Talk:Evolution, and Talk:Discovery Institute as well as various user talk pages. This prompted me to file a user conduct RFC, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Raspor, where there was a huge turn out from both sides of the debate against his behavior. He has dismissed the community's input and is now attempting to expand his disruption with petty trolling: He's exhausted the community's patience, as recent comments on my talk page and the RFC talk page indicate.

Considering the disruption he's caused over the last 72 hours and his unwillingness to moderate his behavior despite many past warnings and kindlier efforts, something needs to be done to get his attention. FeloniousMonk 22:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I support either a community ban in general (given his increasing incivility) or a topic ban on articles related to creationism and evolution in the broad sense. A week or so ago I favoured the latter, but he has now moved to trolling user talk pages. I am now in favour of a community ban. Guettarda 22:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. This guy has done very little but troll in the time he's been here. I recommend a lengthy block - maybe 72 hours, or even a week - and for it to be made absolutely clear to him that what he is doing is just not on. Mind you, if anyone wants to block indef, I won't be calling for your desysopping. I can just about envisage this fellow turning into a decent editor, but it's a stretch. Block now and the next time he trolls kick him out for good. Moreschi 22:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I strongly support a block. However, given that the user has only one previous block- a standard 3RR block, an indefinite block at this point seems uncalled for. I would recommend some block time between 24 to 96 hours. JoshuaZ 22:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Four days seems more than a bit light for the amount of disruption he's caused and the fact he simply shugged off his last block. FeloniousMonk 22:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

If the user goes back to the same things after the block we can always immediately respond with another block. However, if someone blocks for a week I'm not going to object. JoshuaZ 22:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

If we want to do this incrementally, then I would propose a couple weeks of a topic ban - tell him to stay away from articles related to evo-creo (and stop trolling user talk pages). Guettarda 22:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, the matter here is exhausting community patience, which isn't something that builds from shorter to longer blocks, is it? There is, of course, a separate issue of his personal attacks and incivility, which probably needs a lot more attention than it has been given. Guettarda 22:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked for one week to start, but if someone wants to block permanently I wouldn't object. Jayjg 22:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Also wouldn't object to an indefblock. My favorite: "no one ever told me not to call him fellatio. i really dont remember that." No? Oh okay, that's better then. —bbatsell ¿? 22:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd support a community ban. He seems to be here only to disrupt. SlimVirgin 23:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• Send in the Balrog! Apart from that, I would support a community ban per a large amount of disruption and incivilty. Yuser31415 23:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Am I allowed to say he can fuck off yet? No? Kindly fuck off? No? Oh well. I'm off to make a new award, the Banstar, for banning those who are obviously not here to help. Guy (Help!) 23:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, in this case you're allowed to say that. God knows I've been saying it under my breath a lot lately. FeloniousMonk 02:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• It's unfortunate that the situation got so out of control that FeloniousMonk set up a whole separate page on Talk:Intelligent design for Raspor's and another editor's various rants and rapid-fire diatribes. I support FM's way of dealing with the situation, which had gotten well beyond reason. That page alone (Talk:Intelligent design/Raspor's and adlac's objections) is already at 137kB of content (a couple kB of which is due to my own attempts at response/explanation/conciliation, along with similar conciliatory attempts by several other users). Raspor has settled down just a bit of late on Talk:Intelligent design, and he's mostly respected the request to post comments on the page that was set up to accommodate the various shotgun-style objections and accusations (though I see he's moved his activities to some other pages in the meantime). I'm in favor of a temporary block, perhaps a week, if only to give it a rest for awhile, take a forced wiki-break, and hopefully have Raspor come back (if he wishes) with more of an orientation towards interactive discussion and contribution rather than just ranting. ... Kenosis 04:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC) I now see Jayjig appears to already have blocked Raspor for a week. Seems to me if he's to be allowed to return after whatever the decision is among the admins, it should be with the caveat that a repetition of the pattern will result in a permanent block--just my opinion. ... Kenosis 04:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support this course of action - if this editor returns and makes one more personal attack, I support indef. The "fellatio" remark alone is beyond the pale, and one look at the talk page of his Rfc shows mutiple personal attacks and a total lack of interest in being even remotely civil. His goal seems disruption and trolling, with one or two productive edits buried amongst thousands of counter-productive hostile rants. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua 09:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

After a quick skim of contributions - I've got to wonder why we spent so many manhours on such hopeless cases - editing wikipedia is an entitlement, it's not a right, yet I've seen less handwringing about sending people to prison (mind you that might say more about the UK Justice system..) --Charlesknight 11:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I believe that some of the comments in this section are incorrect and/or misleading. I question the claim that "there was a huge turn out from both sides of the debate"; it seems that most if not all of the people objecting to him are on one side of the debate (and not his side, of course!). I'm not sure what the claim that "he simply shugged (sic) off his last block" means; he was new, didn't know about the three-reverts rule, but now does and hasn't reoffended on that. And although I agree he has been aggressive and abusive, it was largely in response to others insulting him or being abusive to him. Philip J. Rayment 13:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

25 to 3 against, and you're questioning the claim that there was a huge turn out from both sides of the debate? And you're simply mistaken that most of the people objecting to him are not on his side of the topic, off the top of my head AvB and Filll are. Also, by your own reasoning here we should note that you happen to share his view on the topic as well, so I'm not sure where you think that line of argument will get you. FeloniousMonk 18:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Although I'm a Christian and believe that the God of the Bible has created the universe, I'm not an ID proponent by any stretch of the imagination. Or any other type of creationist in the extreme US sense for that matter. I fully accept scientific findings supported by a robust body of evidence, which includes evolution. At any rate, the RfC has been sufficiently advertised so the virtually unanimous agreement with FM's assessment is highly significant. AvB ÷ talk 21:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that raspor seems to have had so much difficulty in reading and following policy, specifically WP:3RR which he was warned of twice (in the first instance not in the recommended format) and allowed to get to 8 reversions before being blocked, then treated it as an unfair personal attack that he'd not been allowed to argue against. As this comment shows he's still having difficulty in understanding what behaviour is expected of him: you've had some success in discussing some things with him, Philip, and it would be good if you could persuade him that he should fully comply with the rules so that an ending of the block is not immediately followed by a repetition of disruptive behaviour. ... dave souza, talk 15:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record I am in full support of this ban. Based on how he has responded poorly to even the numerous calm and friendly attempts to guide him I suspect he'll be back to his disruptive ways as soon as the ban is lifted. With that in mind I think he has no business editing any ID or ID related articles until he demonstrates an ability to respect other editors, Wiki policies. He could do that by limiting his edits to non-controversial subjects. Mr Christopher 01:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking at Raspor's edits to his talk since he's been blocked, I see he's not only continued the personal attacks/name calling, but escalated and has made his talk page a locus of disruption drawing responses from a number of editors. Considering that even while in the pokey he's continued the very sort of disruption that landed him there in the first place, misusing the one priveledge he retained while blocked to turn his talk page into a source of friction, I think Raspor is a hopeless case and therefore a permanent block is the only thing that will put an end to the disruption. And sooner rather than later to spare the community any additional time and goodwill being wasted. FeloniousMonk 18:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like another editor is encouraging him to initiate a freep fest (ala Free Republic) as a means of retribution for his "treatment" here . How very odd. Mr Christopher 18:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've just cautioned both against that at Raspor's talk page. Amazingly bad advice from User:Geo.plrd. FeloniousMonk 18:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Not the first time Geo. has given improper advice - . User:Zoe|(talk) 18:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The advice is even more worrying given the fact that Geo.plrd is active in advocacy, making him an important source of advice for confused or misconstrued editors. --HassourZain 19:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm worried about that as well. If there's any oversight going on at WP:AMA, this certainly the sort of behavior they need to be looking into. It should be brought up there I suppose. FeloniousMonk 19:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Uggggh. I spent far too much time reading up on this case. I've given Raspor a final warning about disruption, and after one more infraction I'll protect the page until the block expires. There's not much point to a block if the person continues the very behavior he or she was blocked for in the first place. -- Merope 19:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

From the records on Raspor's talk page the observer may note that I've done my best to try to get him to understand the purpose of Misplaced Pages fruitlessly. I cannot help but think that either he simply cannot understand it or refuses to bother with it, and as I said some time earlier, it's like trying to bail water from a boat using a dixie cup. If I weren't so incorrigibly hardheaded, I think I would have given up trying to help him a while ago. --HassourZain 19:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

HassourZain, you have demonstrated an amazing patience with raspor and your good faith efforts to be helpful have been noted by me. Mr Christopher 19:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

HassourZain's efforts are 1st class through and through. It's people like him that make up for the shenanigans of the others and keeps contributing here worthwhile. FeloniousMonk 19:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, guys. :) --HassourZain 19:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

My thanks too for your admirable and patient words. One problem that came up earlyish was that when I requested raspor to stop trolling, he took this as a personal attack and repeatedly complained about it. The WP:TROLL article definition is dependant on motive, which of course is impossible to judge, and so is useless for defining behaviour which is what's important. The WP:DE article focusses on article edits rather than talk page disruption. Should these guidelines be changed or clarified? .. dave souza, talk 22:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"...when I requested raspor to stop trolling, he took this as a personal attack and repeatedly complained about it." That's typical 'victim bully' behavior. Dean Dad, in writing about The College Administrator's Survival Guide, by C.K. Gunsalus (Harvard U Press, 2006), notes that Gunsalus distinguishes between traditional, assertive bullies, who throw their weight around with bluster and force, and 'victim bullies,' who use claims of having been wronged to gain leverage over others. He goes on to write "that unlike simple passive-aggression, victim bullies use accusations as weapons, and ramp up the accusations over time. Unlike a normal person, who would slink away in shame as the initial accusations are discredited, a victim bully lacks either guilt or shame, honestly believing that s/he has been so egregiously wronged in some cosmic way that anything s/he does or says is justified in the larger scheme of things. So when the initial accusations are dismissed, the victim bully’s first move is a sort of double-or-nothing, raising the absurdity and the stakes even more. Victim bullies thrive in the no-man's-land created by the deadly combination of slow and cumbersome processes, and failure of administerial nerve. I've had some experience with these, and I can say without reservation that they are, by far, my least favorite editors to wrangle. It's not just that they're unpleasant and batshit crazy; they're self-righteously unpleasant and batshit crazy. They're implausibly persistent. Gunsalus makes the correct point that the key to defeating victim bullies is the classic administrative pincer movement of process-and-time. Easier said than done, but still right." FeloniousMonk 17:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that information, FM. On his talk page Raspor coninues to demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of fundamental Misplaced Pages editing policies as well as being unfamiliar with intelligent design in general (as evidenced here). This is something he has shown since day one. I suspect he has either not yet studied any of our policies or has decided they are of no use to him. This makes working with him impossible. If he'd spend some time actually learning our policies his disruptions would go down by 99% or so. With this is mind, what happens after his block is lifted? I mean from an administrative standpoint, I pretty much know what to expect from him but I'm curious if/when he starts acting out again, will a new Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents report need to be submitted or will we utilize this existing one? And will there be an administrator assigned to monitor his behaviour? Mr Christopher 18:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, judging by his comments on his talk page my attempt to answer his question(s) seems to have sent him into a mental tail-spin. He seems to be looking for the word "theory" now in every article and inisting we change the other articles to read like the ID one. How can we work with such a person when he begins posting on the article talk page again and not just on his own personal talk page? Mr Christopher 18:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

To answer the "what next" question - it all depends on how Raspor acts after the block runs out. If he decides to act within accepted norms, then he will probably be given a second chance. If he continues to act as he has been, then I'm sure someone will re-block him. Guettarda 19:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I admit only spot checking his contribs, but this seems like a case where someone, a subject expert, feels his areas of expertise are being poorly represented by the articles and subject novices who are "equal" with him in the WP system. The user is thus getting frustrated and some apparent mob rule against him by other editors is been making matters worse. CyberAnth 21:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Not sure who's who in your analogy. However, raspor has shown no expertise, rather an uncanny ability to play on people's desire to explain things, then pick on points with a remarkable resemblance to standard creationist arguments and interpret or ignore the answers to emerge triumphantly having proved his point. He did it with Talk:Evolution of cetaceans#Again overstatement of evidence, and even confined to his user page, here he goes again. .. dave souza, talk 21:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I tried to make the original post more clear. CyberAnth 21:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read through Talk:Evolution of cetaceans#Again overstatement of evidence to the end of the talk page, you'll see that raspor keeps any expertise well concealed. .. dave souza, talk 22:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

CyberAnth, sorry, I may be dense because I am still not following you. Who is the subject expert you mentioned and what subject is their expertise? Thanks. Mr Christopher 22:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

From the link you gave and the link he gave therein referencing his talk page on the matter, the user obviously appears pretty knowledgeable about ID (or whatever naming variants it goes by). He seems to feel his expertise area is being very poorly represented in articles. He appears to have gotten very frustrated and, from it, done some communication games; but I think this is more a reaction to what really does appear to me as some "mob rule" against him and his views. Keep in mind that my analysis here is coming from someone who is looking in from the outside. You might want to give him an olive branch and really listen to his concerns and see how they can be incorporated into the article some more. In short, appease him by addressing his concerns some more. No one will get their fill plate. That means everyone. CyberAnth 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I am perplexed as I have been studying intelligent design for several years now, I routinely read both sides of the debate even today. I have also read a tremendous amout of posts and responses from raspor since he stumbled upon the intelligent design article and I have yet to read a single item written by him that suggests he has even a conversational understanding of intelligent design. and certainly not a subject expert on intelligent design. But based on what you have expressed I am obviously overlooking very important information and evidence that should be weighed in this Administrators' noticeboard/Incident. Would you mind helping out by showing a few diffs/examples where raspor has demonstrated a subject expertise in intelligent design? Thank will help me and I think others here quite a bit. Thanks again. <insert> also, some examples where he simply came accross as "obviously knowledgable" would help too. Mr Christopher 06:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

<reduce indent> Intriguing. I appreciate that CyberAnth has only been able to spot check raspor's contributions before commenting, and the sympathy is entirely understandable. However the impression that raspor was immediately set upon by a mob is not supported by looking at his start on the ID article. His first contribution there on 22 December was unfortunate, as he deleted the previous post and was reverted. with the comment (please do not remove or edit others' posts), then he did the same again on the talk page and on the page of the editor who'd reverted the first comment. This could of course be a newbie's error, but oddly enough it's a mistake raspor did not make almost a month earlier when first editing a talk page. Anyway, that mistake was sorted out and discussion resumed at Permission. If you read down you'll find editors responding to raspor's opinions by asking him to "please read" archives at links they provided, "If you have some new points which have not been hashed out already, please feel free to bring them up" and to "Please provide a reliable source" for his assertions. He did not do the latter, despite having learnt the hard way about the need to cite sources on his first article by the 28th of November. His responses lack such niceties of politeness, and introduce allegations of bias and inaccuracy without any supporting citations. If that's being set upon by a mob, it was a remarkably polite and patient mob. .. dave souza, talk 10:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

CyberAnth: you said the user obviously appears pretty knowledgeable about ID. Really? I have not seen any evidence that Raspor knows much about ID at all. On the contrary, s/he seems to be sadly unaware of much of the issues surrounding ID. In fact, Raspor recently said that s/he was starting to read the Wedge document, which is one of the fundamental documents related to ID. While Raspor is very aggressive in his/her assertions, s/he has not displayed much knowledge of either ID or science. Guettarda 16:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

CyberAnth is mistaken, Raspor is hardly a subject matter expert. As seen at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Raspor he is regarded as not knowledgable on the topic of ID by every credible long time contributor to that article. The fact is the greatest cause of Raspor's problems here, other than his refusal to comprehend and follow our policies, is his incomplete knowledge of the subject matter. He is apparently either aware of only one side's opinion, or he is intentionally promoting only that side's view, neither of which makes for good editing. FeloniousMonk 17:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I just provided an evidenced summary that suggests raspor is as wholly unfamiliar with the subject matter as he is of fundamental Wiki editing policies here that I think is worth considering. Mr Christopher 18:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Raspor's understanding of the subject matter has been made irrelevant by his attitude and actions. Throw him out. But let him return when he is ready to abide by Misplaced Pages's policies, especially WP:AGF. AvB ÷ talk 01:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Raspor's agenda

Raspor's edit here makes it crystal clear that his agenda in editing Misplaced Pages is not to help preserve NPOV when editing the Intelligent Design article, but to show the embittered and hateful atheists that intelligent design simply is. I issued a warning that characterizing the other side of the debate as atheists (and bitter ones at that) violates WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, and possibly even WP:NPA. I have zero experience with RFCs, but if someone wants to tell me where to put this diff (or to copy it over for me), he or she is free to do so. -- Merope 14:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I think he's already clearly demonstrated that he's more interested in causing disruption than contributing in good faith, as this comment indicates: His 1 week block for disruption ends tomorrow, and since he's exhausted the community's patience by continuing the disruption while blocked, by all indications his wish may be granted. FeloniousMonk 01:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC

Looking at more recent edits , raspor appears to be an outraged victim of what s/he perceives as unfair treatment. While his or her behaviour continues to match the description in Edit warring, I've not seen any evidence that this is deliberate trolling. However this all shows that raspor has to be treated very correctly. Further disruption on various talk pages is likely unless raspor has learnt to keep to the purpose of talk pages and to stop aggressively demanding answers to apparently off-topic questions. .. dave souza, talk 09:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

His block expired today. Will he get an official notice to that affect so that he knows? The other day he had asked how much longer it was going to be so I am assuming he does not know. I think an admin or other neutral party should inform him. Mr Christopher 16:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've username blocked WikiWarrior1

• WikiWarrior1 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log)

This user had e-mailed me asking for some help regarding their username block, but I'm about to go offline. I've probably compounded the sting of having his first edit reverted as "retarded nonsense" so if someone can please hold this person's hand a little bit, and feel free to slap me around if I've handled it poorly. - brenneman 06:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

He seems to know the reason for his block and will hopefully re-register. --Steve _(Slf67) 09:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong with the username? Warrior is hardly that bad; it's not like it says WikiJihad or WikiKillPeople. No worse than User:Opiner. Patstuart 16:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a borderline case. It was probably just intended as "I'm a tough guy" but it sounds a bit like "I engage in edit wars". —Dgies 19:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Dgies and Aaron Brenneman on this one. User names shouldn't sound like any kind of Misplaced Pages trouble-maker. Since edit wars occur here all the time, I think WikiWarrior is a problematic name. Eli Falk 01:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Patstuart. This is not a bad username and he shouldn't be forced to change it. "Warrior" isn't always a bad thing; not even most of the time. ···日本穣 21:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say it's a borderline case. I'd gently encourage the user to change the name as a show of good faith. Regards, Ben Aveling 21:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Why? With respect, if an admin came to you and asked you to change your username because it's an anagram for 'Venal Being', how would you feel? If there's nothing wrong with the username, they shouldn't be asked to change it. Cases like this is why I've opened a line of discussion on the subject of overenthusiastic username blocking on Village Pump (policy). - CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd assume that such an admin had lost their mind. Regards, Ben Aveling 22:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Then we are agreed. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think we are. There are usernames that are clearly acceptable, usernames that are clearly unacceptable, and usernames that are borderline. I find WikiWarrior1 borderline. Not to the point that I would initiate action against the name, but to the point that I feel a voluntary change of username would be helpful. If WikiWarrior1 isn't prepared to change his name, and the evidence given by Steve above suggests that he does understand the problem the name poses, then I belive we should accept that decision. But it would reduce my faith in the user's good judgement. PS. Is everyone aware that there is already a User:WikiWarrior? Regards, Ben Aveling 23:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I definitely think we should unblock him now. We're allowing names with characters from all languages; why not allow this username (Warrior is a good thing in many cultures and times, BTW). Patstuart 22:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've unblocked WikiWarrior1 (talk · contribs), per above. -- tariqabjotu 22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Just for clarity, it's exactly like "WikiKillPeople" and much worse than "WikiJihad." Unless you're some kind of very odd pillow-swinging warrior you are certainly at least trying to kill people. Jihad can include spending time studying, for godness' sake. Can we leave the cultural bias/crypto-racism/whatever at the door please? - brenneman 12:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry in List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series incidents

A user and his respective sock puppets, Butterrum in particular, have been making edits that are disproven, due to discussions in the talk page and its archives, but said user and his sock puppeteer continue to post the erroneous edits. I would very much appreciate an administrator to look into this issue, even if I will be reprimanded, to any degree, in the process; I merely wish the issue to be resolved. BishopTutu 23:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, the serious issue here is not the content dispute, but rather the possible sockpuppetry. --Wildnox(talk) 00:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That is very true. BishopTutu 01:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this is going unaddressed? Have I gone through the proper channels? Klptyzm 22:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this ever going to get addressed? Klptyzm 04:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

To support my claim of sockpuppetry, consider this: if the user's were 2 different people, why would they use the exact same type of incorrect grammar (check this and this diff to understand); one particular grammatical error is the misspelling of "bealve" (believe) that is misspelled the exact same way as the other user. Klptyzm 04:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Am I going to get help with this, or should I just stop trying? Klptyzm 06:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'm actually quite surprised nobody has said anything about this report at all. --Wildnox(talk) 06:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You and me, both, man. Klptyzm 06:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not experienced in handling sock puppet cases, but here goes. If the alleged sockpuppets appear to be in violation of Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry#Forbidden uses of sock puppets, the proper place to report them is Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets. I will comment that if it appears that a single editor is posting from more than one IP address, the first assumption should be that the editor is using a dialup or other connection with dynamic IP addresses. One editor posting from multiple IP addresses is not a concern unless the editor is doing so to avoid 3RR, affect consensus in a discussion, or one of the other 'forbidden uses of sock puppets'. So, unless you can convince an admin that the alleged sockpuppetry rises to that level, this is a content dispute and needs to be handled as such. -- Donald Albury 11:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It is more of a "consensus in discussion" sort of thing; the puppeteer is using a username to make it appear as if someone agrees with his point of view. A month ago, I requested the above article to be locked down so the warred-over issues could be resolved; they were, for the most part, but one user disagreed with one change, but never truly had any evidence to support his claims. Around that time, he made a small attempt to create a consensus by creating a username and make it appear as if he, the puppeteer, was being agreed with. When I exposed him of this, I presume he stopped, in fear of being blocked, or some reason, but, when the page was reduced to semi protection, he brought out the user puppet again and, this time, made it appear as a girl, so to not arise suspicion. I know it's a sockpuppet: the puppet made edits in the POV of the puppeteer, and commits the exact same grammatical errors, like spelling "believe" like "bealve." I just want someone to look into this. Klptyzm 17:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Forget it, now. Issue has been resolved. Klptyzm 21:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I have a request...

When I placed a "helpme" on my talk page, I was told I should ask this here. I am currently in the process of starting a Wiki about internet memes, and I need 2 copies of pages that are deleted and protected (If that is aloud), being that they are popular memes that Misplaced Pages has deemed non-notable (Not disagreeing with the policy, but I need copies of these for my Wiki). I need:

• A Copy of the Brian Peppers article (Not Nonsense)
• A Copy of the NEDM article (Not Nonsense)

If it would be easier, you can send me multiple versions of the articles, and I can figure out which ones are good versions. You can also email them to me at Jedikyle007@aol.com. Thanks! Please leave your response on my talk page. --MasterA113 00:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• I, for one, refuse to fulfil that request. Although there are properly sourced versions of the Brian Peppers article in the deleted history, they don't contain much that one couldn't write starting from scratch with sources. As for NEDM: None of the deleted revisions are useful. They are all clearly original research, contradicting one another on almost all of the details. About the only thing that they have in common is the phrase that "NEDM" expands to, which you don't need copies of deleted articles in order to record. If you want to document an Internet meme properly, the way to do it is to do your own leg-work, researching the meme and checking the facts extensively yourself, and then to publish your findings in some respectable medium. Copies of badly written, unsourced, deleted Misplaced Pages articles that are chock full of original research are not the way to start. Properly researched, peer reviewed, and fact checked articles studying Internet memes would enrich human knowledge. I encourage you to create some. Uncle G 12:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Unk, this person isn't even willing to watch this page for the answer: "Please leave your response on my talk page" is certainly audacious, but unlikely to get the anticipated response. - brenneman 12:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep in mind if he's doing this on his own website, none of our policies (RS/CS/NPOV/ETC) necessarily apply. Anyway, to the original requester, see {{user recovery}}. A word of warning, however, the first articel had alot of problems, including possible libel, so watch yourself. 68.39.174.238 19:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Prolonged anonymous edits to pages about Hazel Blears, a UK politician

No sure how to solve this problem. A number of IPs have been posting the same unsourced block of comment about Hazel Blears to her article, Hazel Blears, and that of her constituency, Salford (UK Parliament constituency). The addition is in clear violation of WP:LIVING and WP:POINT. Firien and I have been reverting these edits since the end of last month at a rate of one every day or two. Here are the relevant difs:

• 195.92.168.163 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - , , ,
• 195.92.168.164 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - , ,
• 195.92.168.165 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - , , ,
• 195.92.168.166 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - ,
• 195.92.168.168 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - , , ,

The relevant IPs are shared proxy webserves and so not really block candidates given the relatively sparse pattern to the edits. However, we have reached level 4 on warning templates for the worst cases. Can anything be done beyond our watching the pages? WJBscribe  00:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I have semi-protected the pages for the time being. Maybe they will at least come out to discuss.Circeus 03:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. WJBscribe  00:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Potential concern over COI/NPOV edits

A request further up AN/I asked for some attention to the Farmers Insurance Group article.

I responded, found significant POV and large chunk copyvio's on the page, documented them, and by and large fixed it. There wasn't much objection, it was very clear and I clearly and carefully explained the policy related issues.

My attention was drawn to a user after that (Router) by the next (and latest) edit. There had been a criticisms section, which I cleaned and made more balanced, then someone added a plaudits section, I reworked both, reviewed the sources to ensure no undue claims were being based on unreliable sources, and created them as one section "Third party views", to avoid a "good things people say!" ... "Bad things people say!" re-enactment of the previous dispute.

(Buzzards39, who added the plaudits section seems to be trying to keep to policy, we spoke a fair bit and I explained in detail how things work. I'm not concerned about him right now, he seems for the moment to be trying to comply with our approach now it's getting more balanced attention.)

My attention was drawn to this edit then, by Router, in which he split "Third party views" into "criticisms" and "accolades" again. I'm not convinced. But before discussing on the talk page I thought I'd look at his editing history, since his name had been mentioned more than once as a person coming from a string negative point of view. This was his edit history:

• First edit: farmers (feb 2006) "Criticism is essential in knowing about a company. When you think of Enron, what do you think of? Individual stories that make headlines are relevant and need to be documented as so, under Criticism"
• Next major action: (may 2006) create article "gripe site" and adds back criticisms of "Farmers", also (rightly or wrongly) reverted of the person who removed the criticisms.

Since then he's repeatedly edited strong critical views into Farmers, its business affiliate Zurich, Allstate (another insurer), and Paypal.

Router's edits:

• Farmers Insurance Group: ... (23 edit(s))
• Farmers Insurance: ... (19 edit(s))
• PayPal: (9 edit(s))
• Talk:PayPal: (8 edit(s))
• Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism: (8 edit(s))
• Gripe site: (7 edit(s))
• Allstate: (6 edit(s))
• Zurich Financial Services: (4 edit(s))
• Others in namespace (main): (3 edit(s))
• Others in namespace User talk: ... (28 edit(s))
• Talk:Farmers Insurance Group: (6 edit(s))

Criticisms input is valuable. But given the "gripe site" edits and suspicion by other editors that Router may run such a gripe site, I'm reluctant to step in without requesting at least some other experienced editor to review the article, advise first, and also watch this situation and help ensure that it remains balanced and calm. Also to ensure that if any editors wish to edit with a strong viewpoint on these articles, they are doing so with understanding of what wikipedia (RS, COI, NPOV, V, NPA and all other relevant policies) would require of any editor. I am slightly reassured in that he hasn't massively reverted anything though. But I do feel this small setup could spiral a bit and right now it could readily be defuzed with help. FT2 00:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Remove them. If a gripe site contains negative information assembled from reliable sources, that information can be incorporated into the main article (subject to the usual editorial discretion and consensus). Sites that consist of personal anecdotes, blogs or fora, and other types of original unverified research should not be listed, per Wp:el#Links_normally_to_be_avoided, Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research (emphasis added).Thatcher131 03:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Personally I think that Router is associated with the #$%^sucks.com sites, and I'm watching Farmers, Zurich, PayPal, and Allstate at the moment to see that they don't creep back in. I've got your back, FT2, and am very appreciative of the work you did on Farmers. Syrthiss 12:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:September 11, 2001 attacks

This page needs some love, there seems to be an anon asking for more "alternate theory" space in the article and people just reverting. Even my comments on the issue seem to be getting deleted. I asked one of the original people to just let the anon make his case and to stop reverting but that seems to have fallen on deaf ears, now its just becoming a mess and an edit war, one of the admins semi-protected the page, but that just stops the anon from making their point, doesnt seem constructive and a bit on the WP:BITE agenda. Can someone who is willing to actually play the middle person get these folks talking and not reverting, its annoying to have my comments removed when they revert and more annoying to not be able to post because of the reverting. --NuclearZer0 01:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

To quote WP:TALK: Talk pages are not for general conversation. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal. Drama and vacuous accusations of vandalism and trolling create unnecessary drama. I suggest this drama should be ignored without further... well, drama. Revert, block the associated drama queens (User:TheHoleKittenKabudal User:InAPartyDress User:JuranJuran et al), ignore per WP:RBI. Weregerbil 01:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Dramatize or de-dramatize, that is the question
Whether 'tis nobler in the WP:TALK pages to suffer
The WP:TROLLs and the WP:SOCKs of Dramatic Encyclopedians
Or to take WP:BLOCK against the flood of drama queens
And by exposing their WP:SOAP, ban them. To revert, to ignore...

Weregerbil 01:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

On the plus side, I am sitting in the departure lounge of Philadelphia International listening to the Poulenc Gloria, which can only be good... Guy (Help!) 02:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

And might I suggest a little Telefon Tel Aviv to soothen the tensions? ;) Aecis 02:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

On the what side now?! Anyway, for your apparent lack of respect re my poetry skillz, I punish you with:

There once was a troll from Nantucket

Who thought, 9/11? We'll dramatize it

When vandalizing the talk

Forgot to use his sock

And promptly for his error got blocked.

(It's got to be Friday.) Weregerbil 02:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I like your passage, though those words seem stolen from somewhere I can't quite place it. It did make me smile. However, I think you make several logical mistakes in all of this. Since when has blocking a Cplot sockpuppet ever "ended" drama. MONGO's original mistake was thinking that blocking Cplot would somehow protect Misplaced Pages from drama (he claims to be clairvoyant about this: I'll take him at his word, after all he did make us immortal). Anyway, I think you're grossly misinterpreting the Talk page policy. Every editor should edit talk pages with the understanding that their off-topic rants may get deleted. However, no editor should ever remove another's off-topic rants making claims of trollishness or vandalism (unless something is clear vandalism or a clear personal attack; forget about trolls because trolls are only mythical). Entering into a revert war with another editor who you have dismissed as a troll or speaking off-topic, does not end drama it creates it. In the immortal words of Chicago's former Mayor Richard J. Daley, speaking about the anti-war demonstrations accompanying 1968 Democratic Convention: ‘The police aren't there to create disorder. THe police are there to preserve disorder.” If you think something is trollish, Misplaced Pages policy recommends ignoring it. If something is clearly vandalism, Misplaced Pages recommends deleting it (just make sure it's clear vandalism). If you think someone just posted a comment that—if you posted it—you would be expect others to revert it, then explain to the editor what they posted that should probably be reverted. End it there. Don't get involved in an extended discussion with the editor over some meta conversations over whether the comment belongs or doesn't belong on the talk page and creates unnecessary drama. --MONGO 02:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

On the pus side, I am sitting in the departure lounge of Philadelphia International listening to the Poulenc Gloria, which can only be good... Guy (Help!) 02:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You're not using one of those dreaded WiFi hotspots are you? I here those are just as bad as open proxies. Of course I heard that from an insane person, so don't give it too much credence. --Tbeatty 02:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that a rap? I guess admins prefer edit wars I do not mind, its weregerbil who is getting the bunt end and an article as popular as 9/11 attacks not getting any contributions. --NuclearZer0 02:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has an article on it! There once was a man from Nantucket. And thanks for your help with detecting another half a dozen Cplot socks! WP:RBI worked fine again. Weregerbil 13:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• It's a bad limerick. Um.

A user from downtown New York

Engaged with the people on Talk

but conspiracy theory

made editors leery

of risking a WP:STALK

Or something. Oh, is that my flight being called? A narrow escape for all... Guy (Help!) 02:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thats nice but as you see its not really helping the page at all and the edit war continues, with many more comments getting lost in the shuffle. Can a non-involved admin look at the issue, one who is willing to do more then slap on a label. --NuclearZer0 03:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

As the page is now being targeted by aged accounts, I have fully protected it until a resolution can be reached here. Please feel free to modify the protection as is deemed appropriate. Naconkantari 03:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally I don't like the idea of full protection. Even though there was a sock attack on that talk page, it was a talk page with ongoing discussions and those discussions have now been cut short. --Wildnox(talk) 15:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

And the sock parade continues into request for page protection. ----Wildnox(talk) 03:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

LithiumLollipop (talk · contribs)

I'd like to get a review of my indefinite block of LithiumLollipop (talk · contribs). Although the user's contribution page reveals nothing, I request admins to look at the (deleted) history of Kirsty Cotter. It just seemed too high on the creepy factor for me... -- tariqabjotu 02:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Odd. Indef-block is fine to prevent further problems, see what they have to say for themselves. Unblocking would be acceptable if they show they have got the point. Guy (Help!) 02:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I was able to see one page before it was deleted, and shouldn't such things be forwarded to any police? _→AzaToth 12:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• It just looks like yet another autobiography to me, from another person who has mistaken Misplaced Pages for a free hosting service for pages about themselves. (Culture varies across the world. I'm sure that many editors would be surprised what some people in some countries find to be perfectly acceptable to write about themselves on their own web pages.) Deleting the unsourced biographical article is proper. (Even if acceptable to the autobiographer, such content is most definitely not acceptable here.) But an indefinite block on the article's author seems rather harsh, though. To me, the username connotes nothing more than the rather surrealistic image of a lollipop made of lithium. Just the deletion of the article seems sufficient. Uncle G 13:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Jefferson Anderson violating WP:POINT and WP:NPA

Jefferson Anderson appears to have violated WP:NPA and WP:POINT by creating a user box directly attacking another editor, Mattisse. See this diff. BostonMA asked him to remove it but it was still there last I looked. Earlier, Jefferson Anderson also created a "List of rude editors" which only included Mattisse's name. He removed the "list" after another user commented unfavorably on it but replaced it with the userbox above.

Jefferson Anderson also significantly edited the Misplaced Pages:Sock puppetry page (here and here), which is a WP:POLICY, without any discussion on the talk page. Please note that Jefferson Anderson has been named in a Checkuser motion in the Starwood Arbitration, thus may have ulterior motives for wanting the policy worded differently. --Pigman 02:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The evidence and workshop pages of the arbitration case are the appropriate places to bring this to wider attention. Jkelly 20:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I added this info into my statement on the evidence page there but thought a, um, more immediate forum might also be appropriate. I guess I'm feeling a certain frustration at the length of time since the beginning of the case without certain changes in behaviour. (Yes, I'm aware that Arbcom cases generally run from 1-2 months.) It was not my intent to circumvent the arbitration and apologize if it seemed so. --Pigman 20:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Pontius Ethics

This story is short and simple. About a year ago, a user "Gammamute" began vandalizing the Church of the SubGenius article. See: Special:Contributions/208.233.32.44 and Special:Contributions/Ktulu_Kuppa

After being quiet for the past year or so, the user Pontius Ethics popped up and began vandalizing the same Church of the SubGenius article once again. See: and .

After I posted one warning for this user to stop vandalizing the article, he began posting whiny "legal threats" on my talk page. See: and .

I'm actually a Misplaced Pages admin and I could block this guy myself. But, I'd rather take the tried-and-true method and put this one up to more neutral admins to check out.

Thank you for your assistance. --Modemac 03:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• It wasn't the best of vandalism warnings. However, I've looked at the two edits linked to. It seems clear that the person has a serious intention of instigating legal proceedings against another editor. Therefore I have revoked the account's editing privileges until either all legal threats are retracted or all legal proceedings are appropriately completed, per our Misplaced Pages:No legal threats policy. Uncle G 13:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Sanghak

I'm notice that this user is had the superb imagination in the various part of Misplaced Pages. See Special:Contributions/Sanghak.

First, i'm notice that he is likely to upload an sourceless image to the Misplaced Pages. While the bot is edited out his image editing to the articles, he is revert the bot editing and restore to the previous version while the source yet to tagged.

Second, he have the superb imagination to the country codes in football template. While the FIFA is not granted any country codes to that country (it is not a country indeed, and just province), he is create the template with a "special" country codes while the list is not exist.

Third, i'm also notice that he is like to create an article with unverifiable content such as page Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh) national football team and doing some awful job in some sub article in FIFA U-20 World Cup.

Fourth, i'm notice he is like to vandal, such as the FIFA host for 2008, he wrote Japan , adding football team while it is list of flag , put the extra line in article , adding nonsense content

All this only few newest editing, while he is doing the same in the past. Please assistance to resolve this probelm. Thank you Aleenf1 05:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

As I checked his contributions, he has been violating copyviorights, and recreating non-sense articles, just for disruptive behaviour. Daniel5127 <Talk> 05:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

If you check his Talk page, you'll see that I blocked him some twenty minutes ago. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 05:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I've already given you the head's up in an earlier section. (See Sanghak (user-contribs) above). He even kept adding names of solitaire card games without providing his sources. He doesn't even observe alphabetical order. Yes, there is a block, I don't think 48 hours is enough. When he does something, he either ignores the warnings or just doesn't read his talk page. Is there something further that can be done? Despite that, thanks for your vigilance, Mel Etitis. - 上村七美 | talk 10:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, 48 hr block is enough for considering himself about copyvio. Daniel5127 <Talk> 01:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Sanghak is at it again; this time, he created the New Ansan Line article which contains just a route and no other details. He even tried to give new unconfirmed names to the list of solitaire card games which were reverted by Aleenf1. What should we do now? - 上村七美 | talk 11:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Threats being made/Need others to Defuse

I have no wish to inflame a situation, but this threat made on the Admin Noticeboard must be reported. The user called Husnock is at present the subject of a very heated Arbitration case, stemming from his having made a supposed death threat against another Misplaced Pages user. Husnock left this site about two to three weeks ago, but there have been reappearances of persons on various ip addresses, claiming to have known him or to be supportive of him. The evidence of these persons to the Arb case was all but dismissed, even though some of it was valid, with a group of 2 to 3 people charging Husnock with using different accounts. The ip addresses used by these persons are ranging from several spread throughout a particular region, some of them miles apart posting within minutes of each other, but all of them were being called Husnock simply because he had once lived in the area and that these addresses were giving support of him. In any event, things boiled over when a user called Pahuskahey was charged with being an alternate account for Husnock. Pahuskahey was openly called a liar about most everything he posted or said, which by the own definitions of this site qualifies as WP:NPA. Husnock himself apparently returned to clear the air, stating he did not want to edit on this site and that these persons over the past few weeks were not connected with him. This was immediately attacked by certain persons followed by a threat from Charlesknight that Husnock better “seriously think about what he was doing” or there would be “serious real world ramifications for you” and that Husnock should “think about your career and where you are”. Wikipedians, what ever you may think about Husnock, that statement I just quoted is a threat pure and simple. Husnock was dragged over the coals because he made a vague reference to someone watching what they said because he was in the military, this later being called a death threat. What was said by Charlesknight is much more blatant a threat than anything Husnock ever said or did. It references Husnock’s real life, his job, and then says that he better think about where he is, as if someone is going to come and find him. Husnock’s initial actions (which I cannot defend because they have been pretty low) does not give others the right to now threaten him and throw all policies of this website to the wind. Pure neutral people need to handle this and need to end this. The same group seems to be reappearing, over and over again, trying to attack and bring down this user with this spilling over to Pahuskahey who hasn’t done a thing wrong. This business about his son I cannot comment on, but I have recommended that he simply remove the offending picture. Thank you for your attention to this matter. –A concerned Wikipedian (-213.42.2.11 06:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC))

That is not a threat; it's trying to point out to someone that being stupid on Misplaced Pages isn't an action in isolation, divorced from the real world. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 06:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The anon (Husnock mockpuppet?) is, of course, wildly exaggerating, but I am puzzled about what Matthew Brown (Morven) meant by these terrible things that will happen to Husnock (I know not what, but they will be the terrors of the Earth...), which he can't mention in public. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 07:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean User:Charlesknight rather than Morven? —bbatsell ¿? 07:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, sorry (I'm editing in the early morning because I couldn't sleep...). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to be very vague here and if an admin requires a fuller explanation of what I'd talking about I'll email it because it could make matters worse.

All of the following can be found on wikipedia - Husnock is in the miltary, he's even posted a picture that clearly identifies him. He's now operating a sockpuppet who claims to have had a son die in action and receive the Silver Star and Purple Heart. he supplies so much information about the "death", that's it's a pretty simple matter to work out it's a total fabrication. I don't think it's a threat to point out to another editor, that if he wants to play the sockgame, he does not want to do it in such a manner that leaves a trail of breadcrumbs that can lead straight to his door. I'm frankly sick of the whole affair but I think it would be remiss of me not to point out to Husnock the possible ramifications of someone in the miltary pretending to have a dead son who was a solider who died on active duty. My "threat" was to suggest that Husnock kills his sock account and starts again with a clean account and gets on with the business of editing. He could have done that with the Pahuskahey account but instead he decided the best course of action would be to get it to post on the Husnock accounts arbcom within 3 or 4 posts thus drawing it's attention to everyone.

The real crime here is that at one stage Husnock was an administration - a position that is a indiciation that (at least some) the community has spoken and said, "hey you do a great job here", at the moment he seems intend in destroying any rep he has left.

Unless an admin wants to discuss this further, I'm sick of the whole thing and will say no more on the matter unless requested. I'm sure various other socks will appear from various UAE IPs (like the one who started this) but the attention-seeking has to stop and I don't intend to feed it anymore. --Charlesknight 11:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attack and Uncivility of user Anonimu

In the Communist Romania article, user Anonimu after reverting the article to fit his POV added in Romanian a message for other users:

"luati'mi pula la frecat"

which means "Take my cock out and rub it".

This is not the first time Anonimu ressorts to personal attacks, he did so in the past on the discussion page of the Romania article, archive 4, "the deleted fragment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Romania/Archive_4#The_deleted_fragment) when again in Romanian said:

"o sa bag toti mafiotii ca tine din tara care au furat din averea poporului roman asta in puscarie."

whcih means: "I will put in prison all mobsters like you who stole from the wealth of the Romanian people"

I am not very familiar with Misplaced Pages's rules but this strikes me as a certain violation.

(Reply to poster), suggest checking WP:CIV and WP:NPA for him and WP:SIG for you. 68.39.174.238 19:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Charles knight must die!

Hi - not sure of the best place to do this. I've been pretty active dealing with vandals and never-do-wells over the last couple of years, that tends to attract various bits of attentions - that's no problem. However it seems that another real-life Charles Knight has been caught in the crossfire and he has received various unpleasant emails. I have no problems in changing the account to something else but how do I do it? Do I start a new account? Can the name of this one be changed? Charlesknight 11:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, you can request renaming, see WP:CHU. MaxSem 11:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

and it's done. thanks. (so I'm crap at pennames - so sue me!) --Larry laptop 12:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice job! I really like that name. Unique. --Woohookitty 12:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I liked Charlesnight, ever since you pointed out that your name is also the naem of a publisher (this was during another incident with a user whose username was of a famous celebrity). Hbdragon88 04:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please investigate ScabbinOnTheAngels

It appears to be an spa just to make the same spam to many talk pages. WP:POINT? Fiddle Faddle 11:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No, sockpuppet of banned user. MaxSem 11:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Whatever it is, it is disruptive and needs an assisted passage off here :) Fiddle Faddle 11:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Terminated. — Nearly Headless Nick 11:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Evidently Cplot is finding it hard to accept that he is not welcome. Guy (Help!) 14:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Topper vandal - second request for assistance

Hi, I posted a request here yesterday for an urgent block on a persistent vandal who's been vandalising articles with misinformation for months and that I've been cleaning up after for three weeks now. Nobody responded to it. He's now taken to removing prod tags I put on his hoax articles, so this morning I had to put three of them up for AFD. Can someone please block him? Thanks. Vashti 11:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Templated Signature + Ignoring talk page = Block warning

I've just placed a on Why1991's talk page: if you use the templated signature again, I will block you until you foreswear doing so. While I was strongly against the block of User N for having a "disruptive" signature, this user is doing something that the dev's made a software change to prevent. I'm sure that he knows this as well, because he must be copy/pasting the template in as opposed to using "~~~~" as it would subst the template automagically. I've brought the warning here for review, preparing for the trout slap if I'm smoking crack.
Again.
brenneman 12:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ask him to substitute it? WP:PERF comes to the defense of b00bies n00bies. Meh. — Nearly Headless Nick 12:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

He obviously left a trail – . If its not allowed by the devs, how did he do it? — Nearly Headless Nick 12:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, when devs forced auto-substing of signatures, it didn't affect already defined signatures, only new ones. And even if someone would like to change their sig later, there's still a way to fool MediaWiki around. I won't disclose it for sake of beans, but feel free to email me, if you'd like to know (this doesn't seem to be Why1991's case though). MaxSem 12:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This guy had a signature that took up 5 or 6 lines in the edit window. When it was pointed out to him that this was incivil and unacceptable per WP:SIG, he changed to the template, presumably because that doesn't take up much space in the edit window. Seems as though that isn't allowed either. Why he just doens't remove most of the useless nonsense in his signature is beyond me. Moreschi 15:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Templated sigs are now automatically substed (just as ~~~~), resulting in the bulk code still ending up on the talk pages and in the edit boxes, essentially defeating the purpose of his template. --Edokter (Talk) 00:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

All he has to do is trim the signature down to something of reasonable length. I think the warning is fair. --Cyde Weys 00:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Minor sockpuppeting

This is strictly Junior-League stuff, so far, but might just as well nip it in the bud.

Brand-new user Horário nobre (talk · contribs) is created at 00:54, January 6, 2007. First two edits are to immediately create a short but rude User Page message ("Foda-se. Não podia ter sucesso nos Estados Unidos, não?", which is Portuguese for "Fuck. It could not have success in the United States, not?" according to Google's translator). The only other edits are to nominate Neal's Yard Dairy -- which I had recently whipped up -- for deletion, even including shortcut-linked text in the nomination, and, when that fails miserably, removing from the article the external link to NYD's Web site and throwing on some random {{fact}} tags. So what's this guy's game, I wonder?

Of course, I really should have run the user name through a translator when he popped up, since "Horário nobre", it turns out, means "prime time" -- as in indefinitely banned Primetime (talk · contribs). The boy does NOT give up. --Calton | Talk 13:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• I think the operative phrase is "Bwuhahahahaha!". Guy (Help!) 14:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Tagged and noted as appropriate, CheckUzer request for IP-investigation filed. 68.39.174.238 19:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Persistent personal abuse by User:Ednas

User:Ednas (and his suspected sockpuppet User:Zizitop) has been persistently abusing other editors on Talk:Gilad Atzmon. Some of this abuse is arguably antisemitic. He has referred to other editors as "members of the sanhedrin", a "loosely affiliated undercover netwok of operatives working to further the Zionist agenda", "Zionist moles", "Zionist gatekeepers", "an established crypto Zionist", "a Jewish Tribal activist", "worms come out of the Wiki woodwork" and other choice epithets taken from the lexicon of Gilad Atzmon himself. I have just deleted an offensive personal attack on User:Antifascist. This level of personal abuse goes far beyond any acceptable level of debate, and the racist comments have no place at all on Misplaced Pages. Can any steps be taken to restrain or sanction this editor? RolandR 17:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ednas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was clearly only an attack account, and I've blocked it indefinitely. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

But you haven't blocked him, and he continues in his antisemitic abuse of other editors. RolandR 13:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ronen Segev

We may have a developing WP:BLP issue at Ronen Segev. There are several users attempting to remove negative material from this article, whose subject has apparently enlisted ReputationDefender. See especially this blog post. Additional eyes would be very much appreciated here. Mackensen (talk) 18:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Rather then blogs, find and use actual news accounts. --Farix (Talk) 19:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Return of the GMC blogger

See MedicalNews (talk · contribs), especially this diff . Also General Medical Council Abolition (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Good doctors, safer patients (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Guy (Help!) 18:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit war at Unikkatil

I'm edit-warring at Unikkatil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) with Astrit (talk · contribs) over the mention of Kosovo and Serbia. So far, I haven't been able to get Astrit to either discuss the issue or explain changes using edit summaries. - Regards, Evv 18:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Same thing again (diff.) - Evv 12:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Guardian Tiger and the unblock template

I blocked Guardian Tiger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as an abusive sock and advised him to put up the {{unblock}} template for review by an uninvolved admin. He did, making a detailed argument for the block being unsupported by policy as well as me being personally unfit to impose it. User:Pgk reviewed and rejected the request and replaced the template with {{unblock reviewed}}, but Guardian Tiger has now replaced the {{unblock}} template. I feel a bit of a fool at this point, since I realize it's a common occurence, but what's next? It seems kind of obvious to assume that he doesn't get to keep doing that; should I (or, very much preferably, somebody else) politely tell him so? Or is it OK to have the block reviewed several times? Personally, I would like to see this block amply reviewed, since the user has impugned my credibility as the blocker. Thoughts? Bishonen | talk 22:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

Bishonen, I'll review it. And I'll protect his page if the request is invalid.--Doc 22:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Block looks good to me. Socking is obvious and admitted. Bishonen has plently evidence of abuse. Talk page protected to prevent further unblock requests. I suspect there's plenty of admins have checked this as valid now.--Doc 22:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Tiger is claiming that access to the original account has been lost, so there is a possiblity that Tiger could now be considered the main account, not a sock. However Dmcdevit has confirmed that the user has at least one other unblocked account, so I wouldn't stress too much. Regards, Ben Aveling 23:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ben Aveling is correct in stating that access to the original account has been lost. Guardian Tiger was my original account but I wish to nominate User:ApocalypticDestroyer's as my main and only account. Hi, Ben Aveling, thanks for contacting me on this talk page. Are you an admin on Misplaced Pages? I wish to nominate User:ApocalypticDestroyer's as my main and only account. I cannot access the accounts: User:RevolverOcelotX, User:Apocalyptic Destroyer, or any other account except the one I'm currently using now. You may block the other accounts except my nominated main account as necessary or request another admin to do it. Please see User talk:BenAveling for details. Thanks. ApocalypticDestroyer's 21:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Please refer to ]. --Certified.Gangsta 23:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe the point Gangsta is trying to make is that ApocalypticDestroyer's is/was probably also the owner of User:RaGnaRoK SepHír0tH, an account which was permanatly blocked, in a large part for being a disruptive sock. And therefore, I believe his argument runs, all other accounts belonging to that user should also be permanatly blocked, including the user's main account. I don't believe that's policy. Certainly, using a sock can earn a ban (or a ban extension) for other accounts belonging to the user, but there is no requirement that the users main account recieve the same length block as the sock account(s). My understanding of this specific situation is that ragnarok would have only have received a temporary block except for the fact that it was a sock. Either way, no perma-block was applied to Ragnarok's main account at the time, assuming that Ragnarok is/was owned by Apocalyptic, which seems probable to me, though I can't claim to be sure that it has been proven. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC) If his passwords are as long and complicated as his usernames, I can see how he comes to forget them!

Ben, you seem to be disregarding the fact that I have blocked Guardian Tiger not just as a sock but an abusive sock. In fact, you know, these accounts are all one person. There is to my mind something illogical about a measure that "fixes" the permitted behaviour of the user behind the accounts (the socking) but allows the bad behaviour (the stalking and harassment) to continue. I've asked mackensen to take a look at this. Bishonen | talk 08:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Regardless of which is the sock and which the main account, which has been blocked as a sock, and whether he's been banned or just blocked before, these accounts are all the same person, and I've blocked Apocalyptic Destroyer now too, and I will consider him and any and all of his sockpuppets and IPs from now on banned from Misplaced Pages unless anyone gives me any reason not too. The community's patience with him is exhausted. Dmcdevit·t 08:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking through Tiger's edit contribution for gross abuse, and I'm not seeing it. He's accused at least one admin of not being neutral, which is certainly uncivil of him but I think the Giano case established that it isn't a hanging offence. He's accused Isberg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) of being a sock which is uncivil, even if he's right. (He isn't, is he? If he is, I owe him an apology.). He's accused Certified.Gangsta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) of harassing him and campaigning to have him banned, which is also accurate, and as far as I can see, he's done this complaining in relatively polite terms. He's used a lot of accounts over time, but no one (other than Certified Gangsta, formerly known User:Bonafide hustler) is claiming that he has been using them in parallel. So he may or may not be abusive, but he isn't a sock master. (What sort of self respecting sock puppetier loses the passwords?) I wouldn't be surprised if there's some 3RR violations and POV waring but most of his edits look reasonable, lots of wikilinking and some minor edits. Nothing that wikipedia will colapse for the lack of, but nice to have. I haven't checked every edit, especially from the long dead accounts. No doubt I've missed stuff. Just to set my mind at rest, will someone post some diffs to this gross abuse and harrasment and I will promptly and publically apologise for making this request. Sorry everyone for being difficult. Regards, Ben Aveling 11:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A few admins had already reviewed the blocks so I don't think we should be discussing this right now. All evidence can be found at my talkpage (the timeline I set up), User talk:Guardian Tiger User:RaGnaRoK SepHír0tH, and I believe a few of them on Bish's talkpage.--Certified.Gangsta 01:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Enforcement Request on User:BryanFromPalatine for sockpuppetry, block evasion, and disruption.

Please see Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/BryanFromPalatine (4th) and especially the requested sanctions (bottom). This user continues to use this confirmed sock to edit and harass other editors. Thank you so much. --BenBurch 00:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

In fact he is now editing in the Sock Puppet investigations page trying to start a sockpuppet investigation against myself and the other editor who have been reporting his sockpuppets! See; . --BenBurch 00:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Started a legitimate meatpuppet case against this user and his inseparable friend, F.A.A.F.A. The evidence against them is voluminous and compelling. He considers this "harassment." I am not a sock puppet. I am a different person who uses the same computer. If admins would bother to look beyond the IP address to my history of contribs, compared to Bryan's history of contribs, they would know that I am not a sock puppet. - ClemsonTiger 01:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Bryan, at the moment you are putting immense amounts of effort into being as disruptive as possible. The sad part is that you are a highly intelligent editor; stay within Misplaced Pages policy and your contributions will be heard and valued. But for now I have no choice but to support an extension of the original block. - Merzbow 01:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I just wish he would be honest about the fact that he is sockpuppeting. He's been caught at this now four times for six different sockpuppets now;

• ClemsonTiger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• JohnnyCochran (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• 209.221.240.193 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• ArlingtonTX (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• Kynouria (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• 12ptHelvetica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• DP1976 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Can we get this to stop somehow??? BenBurch 01:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• It would appear that this matter has been concluded. Thank you. BenBurch 02:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked 38.119.66.207 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) for this, which I also reverted. Chick Bowen 03:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

WOW. That is upsetting. BenBurch 04:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that tears it. E-thuggin' to the max! - Merzbow 06:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

38.119.66.207 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is an open proxy, so I have reblocked for 5 years. Prodego 19:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems like it might have been him. On his talk page he dares us to "Call Sheriff Roscoe." :-( BenBurch 20:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Okay, he is at it again. Now he is emailing other editors using his ArlingtonTX sock puppet to smear me where I am editing other articles! Can we get the socks deleted so that they cannot be used in this fashion, please? Thanks!

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I notice that you've been getting into a fight with BenBurch on the Henry Ford article. There is a "Suspected Sock Puppets" case against him and I encourage you to post your experiences in the "comments" section.
BenBurch and FAAFA are engaged in a campaign known as "POV pushing." They are extremely clever about it and they are very dangerous. If enough people band together, these two can be the subject of a community ban.

The header won't help, since the e-mail came through the e-mail user function, it is from the Misplaced Pages server. Blocking won't help either, since blocked users can still e-mail. I would advise those who receive the messages simply delete them. Prodego 18:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

24 (season 6) page

Please lock the season 6 page so that severe spoilers are not posted until AFTER the official broadcasts (in the US, or the week-later broadcast in the UK, i don't care which). There was an illegal posting of the first 4 episodes, and Misplaced Pages is being used to disseminate critical plot information. Thank you. Kermitmorningstar 00:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• WP:RFPP, but I'll protect it anyway. Cbrown1023 00:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• Misplaced Pages is not censored to spoiling the plot of works of fiction. However, reading the article's talk page the issue appears to be that people are submitting original research that is based upon their firsthand viewing pirated copies of the television episodes, violating both the copyright of the publishers of the television show and one of our core policies at the same time. Uncle G 01:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

block evasion

Nadirali (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who was blocked for racism and personal attacks, and trolling has been editing under an IP address Special:Contributions/74.98.241.189. He was so careless as to canvass support using his signature and graffiti-tag an article tag page him and meatpuppets revert warred on .Bakaman 00:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser confirms this IP is the same one used by Nadirali. Dmcdevit·t 02:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal information

203.135.21.45 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) has added a desperate plea for help on several articles. See for instance and . This person requests "POLICTICAL SHELTER" in Great Britain, apparently following a trial against the authorities in Pakistan. He claims there are "MANY EXTRIMIST PLOTING AGAINST ME." This person ends the pleas with his bank account number, his address and his mobile phone number. Pakistan is not a terribly free country, and if his claims are true that extremists are plotting against him, should we protect him from these edits? Should they be removed from the article history? Aecis 00:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

These edits do not make sense - he seeks political asylum and admission to the law school? Nah. This sounds like a variation of the Nigerian email scams. I would more fear for users who are guiled into giving this person money, account numbers etc. I will delete these, but I also suggest some administrator take further action. Jance 03:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This appears to be a shared IP, possibly covering much of Pakistan. Since these edits seem to have stopped, it's probably best not to block right now--if he comes back we can do a short block to discourage him. Chick Bowen 03:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Removing those edits from the history would be a good idea - I only removed them from the article. Jance 03:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Chick Bowen 04:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

WillyofToxteth (talk · contribs)

I have blocked WillyofToxteth (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) indefinitely, as a self-proclaimed Willy on Wheels sockpuppet. The guy has recently been making some odd page moves (take a look at his contributions), but I can't figure out what he's doing. It does not appear he is replacing letters with similar characters, but whatever he is doing, it is certainly disrupting the pages. If anyone can enlighten me on what exactly this guy is doing, please do. In the meantime, I'm going to go revert his enigmatic page moves. -- tariqabjotu 01:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

He is replacing letters with identical-looking—but different—characters; you can tell when you check the actual URL of the moved pages. Kirill Lokshin 01:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just noticed that... I was looking for the more obvious letter ls versus number 1s, but could not find them. But yes... it appears something along those lines. -- tariqabjotu 01:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that his purpose for using wikipedia, just disrupting wikipedia and getting banned. Daniel5127 <Talk> 01:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Appears he is replacing ASCII with Unicode. BenBurch 02:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• Yeb. Daniel5127 <Talk> 02:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

71.231.107.188 (talk · contribs)

Could someone please block this user for just half an hour or so? He is on a wholesale deleting spree and isn't looking on his talk page, where I asked him politely to stop. I may be wrong, but at least I'd like to talk about it with him before he continues. — Sebastian 02:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'm just wondering why it's such a problem that he was deleting dead links. An admin apparently rolled back all of his recent changes, so now all we have are a LOT of articles with dead links to yahoo news that he spent a lot of time deleting - there are no citations to be found, simply blue text that says "Yahoo news report" that leads to a 404 page. I totally understand the reasoning behind not deleting viable citations simply because the url no longer works, but it seems like what he was doing (at least, in the most recent edits) was valuable grunt work, and he was repaid by having his changes reversed wholesale.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 06:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • First, there was no admin rolling back of his recent edits. Regardless, I must agree that the IP may be doing us a favor. I know for a fact that Yahoo! news links often expire quickly, over time, and do not contain original reporting. Thus, they tend not to be good references (and are discouraged from being used on Portal:Current events). -- tariqabjotu 06:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
    • You are right I noticed that a lot of a random sampling of edits had been reverted by the same editor, seemingly without looking at what the edit was, and I assumed it was a rollback. I was mistaken, I didn't look closely enough--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 06:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• Removing a citation just because the URL no longer works is not "helping us". The URL in a news article citation should be regarded as a bonus. The primary keys for news article citations are the byline, dateline, title, and publication. Those are what enable one to find any cited news article. This edit, for example, is not "helping us". It is removing a citation of a Reuters article datelined 2006-11-28. Similarly, this edit is removing a citation of an Associated Press article datelined 2006-06-24. Helping us would involve not removing the citations outright but actually fixing them instead, so that they used the {{cite news}} template with the byline, dateline, title, and publication all filled in.

  Yes, the IP address editor is correct that people should not be providing bare URLs to news aggregators as citations. But no, simply removing all of the URLs indiscriminately is not the way to improve the articles and to have them contain proper citations. Uncle G 13:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• My specific question, which I also asked of the editor who reverted many of the anon's edits, is this: iff the citation is nothing more than an undated, untitled link to yahoo news which is now dead, is it wrong to delete that link? The other editor indicated that he believes the presence of the dead link indicates that a story once existed and therefore could be found again, which I can buy. Are you saying that dead links should remain until each one can be replaced by a "real" citation with date, byline, etc? I don't mean to drag this discussion out but I think it's worth clarifying, as many users might be inclined to delete dead links without thinking it through in this manner.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 17:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • There's a Manual of Style guideline about that: see Misplaced Pages:Citing_sources#What to do when a reference link "goes dead". Basically, if you can't repair or find a replacement for a dead reference link, leave the link and add a mention of when the link was found to be dead, since someone might eventually be able to find a hard-copy replacement, or the content might show up in the Internet Archive a few months later. --Metropolitan90 20:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • What makes you think that the URLs were undated? Read the URLs removed, in the two edits that I linked to, carefully. Uncle G 20:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

68.84.128.226 (talk · contribs)

Could someone please block this user. They have blanked warnings from their talk page about a dozen times in the past week. They have been warned not to delete warnings twice and they continue to blank them. --FrankCostanza 04:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Update: User has been blocked for three hours. (Not enough in my opinion; I recommend taking such complaints to WP:AIV in the future; they seem more willing to block vandal-only accounts, like this one, indef. They're also faster, I think - this guy got in four more edits between the time reported here and the time blocked, 29 minutes later.) John Broughton | ♫ 03:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User WillyofToxteth

WillyofToxteth has consistanting been vandalising pages. He did so to the talk page on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Baseball, and I don't know how to revert it, because I can't find the history! The history is of his move only, but the move was to the same page?

Can someone please assist, he has been blocked indefinitely, but some of his vandalised articles are still vandalised, I'm not sure how to get the talk page back on the WikiProject Baseball.. --Borgarde 05:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Kirill Lokshin 05:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Evan Sackett

The article Evan Sackett is currently up for deletion here. Article was created by User: C. Evan Sackett, likely COI. Article about Sackett's website, Visual Circle.org, was created by User:Visual Circle, another COI. This article was prodded by me. Meanwhile, an anon IP, 68.47.251.89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), has been flitting among the three (two articles, one AfD). Anon edited Evan Sackett in a "constructive way" but also added attack text to it about Sackett's sexuality etc. and has several times blanked the page's open AfD. However, anon also left a message on the Visual Circle talk page claiming to be Evan Sackett and asking everyone to mind their own business about his articles. Anon is also going around to various other articles (such as this one), inserting self-aggrandizing statements about Sackett, suggesting either anon really is Evan Sackett and Sackett has split personalities, or anon is engaging in rather complex vandalism. (Anon has also engaged in additional, childish vandalism of other articles, such as this one.) The whole situation is a little weird and I am wondering if an admin or two could keep an eye on this business for a bit, in addition to blocking the anon IP. Thanks--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 05:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, also note that User:C. Evan Sackett edited Evan Sackett several times while the attack text was present but did not delete it, instead fixing typos and adding a relevant image. This is all very strange.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 06:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki watch on 82.159.137.19/User:Mac needed

• Mac (talk · contribs) 17Misplaced Pages:Commons categories (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). (See Jan 9th)
• 82.159.137.19 (talk · contribs) 3 http://commons.wikimedia.org/Special:Contributions/82.159.137.19

As anom this editor left a series of nonsensical edits that are definitely wide of being useful or desirable on the commons, so I thought maybe he would benefit from a little extra 'help and oversight' from solicitous admins. I'll nudge him on this and ask him to clean up after himself. Sigh. Just like getting my youngest to use the clothes hamper! Best! // FrankB 06:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Renumbering of mailing list posts

Apparently, incidental to the installation of the new mailing list server, the posts in the archive have been renumbered. Consequently, most if not all existing links to mailing list posts bring up the wrong post, e.g. .

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 06:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Administration request

Could you please ban User:Alansohn for a very long time for what he's been doing on Joyce Kilmer? Also view the talk page to find out more as to "why". I'm to the point now that I really wish he'd die or go away, but I know he won't. His acrimonious pedantry will not stop, and while I've had my share of ignoring WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA this guy just takes the cake. —ExplorerCDT 06:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a relatively straightforward, if heated, content dispute that has reached high levels of incivility on both sides. I might humbly suggest that all involved take a day off from editing this article rather than requesting blocks on each other.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 07:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've warned both warriors with a {{3rr}}. If either reverts again tonight he should certainly be blocked. Chick Bowen 07:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Not making any specific judgements since I don't know the particulars, but I wish people wouldn't lose perspective on things here. --Woohookitty 07:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

In failing to research this issue, you more definitiely prevent any user from improving the article, exactly what ExplorerCDT seems to want. Among other offensive edits and edit summaries, "accept the fact that I said I'll have a source in a day or two and stop being a dick." and ... you and your buddy Alansohn want to rape Misplaced Pages policy and turn this article into a page worthy of inclusion at ancestry.com. So, do something productive instead of fucking up articles with unencyclopedic shit. go along way to demonstrating the persistent violations of WP:CIVIL that ExplorerCDT has spewed, and are only among the more egregious violations. I have repeatedly tried to make productive edits, provided sources, and reworded the changes in an effort to mollify ExplorerCDT, desperately trying to try to reach any form of consensus, to little avail. Any edits I have made to the article in the past 24 hours have been reverted. I sincerely regret any negative personal comments made in an effort to try to reach a compromise, but I am at wits end. I will step away from this article for now, in the hope that some mutual agreement can be reached. Alansohn 08:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Opening an incident and stating that "I really wish he'd die or go away" seems to be a rather clear demonstration of the level of abuse, and refusal to cooperate, coming from ExplorerCDT. Alansohn 08:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Latest JB196 sockpuppet

12.164.70.194 has been inserting a link to JB196's original research and adding prod tags to non-US based wrestlers both of which are the usual M.O. of JB196 and his socks. One Night In Hackney 08:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, THAT'S a JB sock. I reinstated a couple prod's, and I suggest the others be looked at by folks as well... but.. well.. is he even trying? SirFozzie 08:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Can someone deal with this please? He's edit warring over insertion of the links in the first two articles now. As far as I'm aware any contributions made by JB196 and his socks are classed as vandalism and exempt from 3RR, but I'd rather not keep reverting to be on the safe side. One Night In Hackney 09:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I reverted it as well, could we get an admin to block the IP, at least for the short term? SirFozzie 10:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Helpful admin Guy blocked the IP earlier and removed the links from those articles and some others. A new anon IP has now accused Guy of vandalism and started reverting Guy's edits. One Night In Hackney 16:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Sdneubdmb

I've blocked Sdneubdmb indefinitely for personal attacks, vandalism, and generally not being here to write an encyclopedia. See also the deleted histories of Wikipediia and John Vanderleest (which was put through AfD). Brickbats, rotten tomatoes, and the like are invited.

On that note, I smell sockpuppetry. Anyone else think a CheckUser would be a good idea? --Slowking Man 09:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Bryan1111

User:Bryan1111: Nonsense, abusing other users, see examples at User_talk:Bryan1111. MidgleyDJ 10:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

He's already blocked, and I just protected his talk page. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Third time lucky? Is anyone going to block this vandal or not?

Right, I've been patient and I've been polite and now I'm absolutely sick of cleaning up after this vandal every day. He creates throwaway accounts daily, sometimes several of them. He creates hoax articles which, if you look at them, are obviously hoaxes, yet are obscure enough that they hang around for months, and then he edits article after article with references to these hoaxes that stick around until those articles are TOTALLY WORTHLESS. I've been reverting after him since the end of December and I've documented everything I've seen him do here and it is ignored. Last night I even tried to get an emergency block on him when I saw him start editing and was told that because I hadn't warned him in the past week (I had, in fact, on the 9th) he couldn't be blocked.

I've posted here twice already and not got a response. If none of you can even be bothered to look at his record and block him, then I'm not sure I can be bothered to come on every day and clean up his shit. Block him, or don't; I don't care any more. Vashti 11:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I am currently blocking the vandal accounts, but with an open IP adress, he can just recreate accounts as he likes. I support an indefinite block of the IP, as all contributions from this IP seem to be related to the vandal creating TV series hoaxes mixed with a few credible TV series edits. Strong support of indef block of 220.233.226.170 (talk · contribs). -- Chris 73 | Talk 12:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Support indef block. - Kittybrewster 12:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Support indef block too much of a future headache. JuJube 12:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP indefinitely. It seems to be a static IP, and this sort of thing cannot stand. Rebecca 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you *so* much. I do apologise for losing my temper, but I'm so happy he's blocked now. :) He seems to be on a broadband link which changes its address every couple of months - what should I do if he comes back? Vashti 12:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

If the IP changes every couple of months, then I think the blocks should be limited to four months or so to avoid blocking any legitimate contributors that share the IP (but have yet to contribute) or that receive the IP in the future. Also, as soon as the vandal's style is recognized on a new IP address, the four month block should be given immediately. -- Kjkolb 12:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Support, good use of the banhammer. Guy (Help!) 12:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• TotsTV again? Very much in support of saving time from being wasted by indef block.--Alf 13:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support (Apologies for contributing to this delay but the case was too complicated for WP:AIV, hence my request to move it to WP:RFI at the time). Asterion 13:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Young Argo/Thug Invasion

I have nominated the above articles for deletion (regarding a deceased rapper and his unreleased album, they seem likely hoaxes or at best wholly unverifiable). Jeezy123 is the originator and principal editor of both. Soon after the AfD was posted, this user blanked the AfD page and removed the AfD notice from Young Argo, while apparent single-purpose account Theresa12 did the same for Thug Invasion. I hope an admnistrator will consider appropriate notices for these editors and that eyes will be kept on the AfD (which, given the time lost when it was unavailable, I moved from January 13 to January 14).

Disruptive, oft minority POV attemps to own Martin Luther article, usually without productive discussion at talk page

Please note the following edits by User:Justas Jonas:

• Predominantly edits one article:
• Labels welcoming messages on their user-talk page as clutter, spam and unnecessary material: & .
• Makes unfounded personal attacks against another user and criticizes other user's edits with an air of superiority. Please see various edit summaries at and Talk:Martin Luther.
• May post under an IP address to emphasize User:Justas Jonas' point: .
• Resembles a previously banned user, per another editor of Talk:Martin Luther: .
• One recent edit war is over the size of and content of the article's opening image infobox. Please see .
• Claims that another user's edits cause formatting and/or layout problems, when no-one else experiences such problems. Please see again.
• Appears to ignore input and request for correspondence from much more senior editors. Please see and .

I'm sincerely looking forward to hearing options on how this can be resolved. Most if not all other editors of the article are working together to gain FA status for this article. If I am indeed the only one in error here, or if you have some constructive feedback for me, please kindly advise. Keesiewonder 13:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Keesiewonder's analysis of the situation. This new user account is acting disruptively, and is obviously not a new user account. I agree with this new user that the article requires across-the-board condensation, and also that in the past things have gotten talked to death. However, simply coming in and slashing and burning is not the answer. --Mantanmoreland 15:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps another user to add to the set: .

So, one question I have is do the following four accounts all stem from one person:

• Special:Contributions/Justas Jonas
  
• Special:Contributions/75.37.215.34
  
• Special:Contributions/Johann Friedrich
  
• Special:Contributions/Ptmccain
  

I do not have any personal experience with the last; I do with the first three. Keesiewonder 17:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a couple more: Special:Contributions/24.107.121.195 ; Special:Contributions/Bailan Keesiewonder 23:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser anybody? Circeus 04:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

linkspam - makeminemarvel.com

The owner of makeminemarvel.com - which is an entirely non-notable blog is spamming various marvel comic pages from various ip addresses including this one. He has been doing this for 3-4 months and refuses to stop. He takes no notice of comments or warnings left on the various ip pages. I emailed him directly and he indicated that he has no intention of stopping. Can it be added to the spam blacklist? --Larry laptop 15:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested. --Majorly 15:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Callous personal attack

I am appalled to see this comment ] by JFBurton (talk · contribs). Read the previous part of the talk page to put it in context, this user appears to have a history of personal attacks, but this particular case is totally insensitive. --ArmadilloFromHellGateBridge 15:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:PAIN. --InShaneee 15:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

One problem: that page is inactive. Oh, and look at this. --Majorly 15:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This process has been discontinued. ??? --Larry laptop 15:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow. That happened quietly (though I don't entirely disagree that it was mostly abandoned). --InShaneee 16:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It was anything but quiet. I kept noticing it no matter how much I tried to avoid it hehe. As for the attack, it is a bit uncivil, but hardly a Callous personal attack. I suggest you give the user a civility warning. HighInBC 16:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean another warning. Check his block log. --Majorly 16:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your right, I went through the users contribs and found many cases of incivility, I also scanned his userpage history and found the user was fully warned, but simply removed the warnings. I have blocked JFBurton for 4 days. HighInBC 16:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"Its about time you had a weekend off, its all you ever seem to be doing(going on wikipedia)." This is an appalling, callous, personal attack? And people here are taking this seriously? OK, it's painful because of its English, but really... it's not even particularly uncivil. I've had such comments on my Talk page many times, but I've never gone blubbing to Mummy over them. This is exactly why WP:PAIN was killed off — hypersensitive complaints that were too often just a way of edit-warriors trying to get their own way by the back door.

I've just gone through the latest page of his contributions; I found one clear case of incivility, and one of brusqueness in the face of page-blanking vandalism. Could you post here the diffs of all the offences that warrant a four-day block? I'm inclined to lift the block as unwarranted, both in principle and in its extent. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The diffs are posted on his talk page(The most recent example only minutes ago since this thread was created), just a few recent examples I am sure I could have found more. This user has also been warned and blocked for personal attacks before, but simply removed the warnings. I was tempted to double the previous block to make it two weeks, but I felt 4 days would give a greater chance of the user being productive in the future. HighInBC 16:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've just looked at the dreadful personal attack that you think supports a four-day (or even two-week) block:

"Ok Then, but that comment was mearly an attempt to improve mine and FisherQueen's relationship. Its not my fault if I feel she spends a little bit TOO much time on here. Maybe she has some sort off addiction, thats OK. Perhaps she should go and see a couciller or something, you may need it in this sad time of your life. JFBurton 15:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)"

Now, it's more genuinely uncivil than the one that started off this thread, but it's hardly severe. The othjer diffs

Could other editors offer their opinions on this? It seems to me that the block is dubious in itself, but its length isn't justified by any stretch of the imagination. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I mostly agree with Mel Etitis. Asterion 17:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Each action on it's own may not justify a block, but those examples are all from the last couple days. This user has made no indication that he is willing to follow our civility policy as is evidenced by his removed warnings and previous blocks. The fact that the most recent incivility was moments after being asked to be more civil was the clincher. 4 days does not seem like a long time for a fourth civility block, this user already received a week long block for the same thing in December. HighInBC 17:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not too attached to this decision of mine, and will respect consensus. I just ask that any admin that unblocks this user watches him. HighInBC 17:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Even if they had all been made within five minutes they're just not uncivil enough even to warrant more than a very mild "be a bit more polite". I'll lift the block then, and happily watch him to make sure that he doesn't make an idiot of me. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

So your of the opinion that it does not matter how much a person is uncivil as long as the aren't too uncivil at any one point(correct me if I am misinterpreting)? I tend the think that quantity bares some relevance. HighInBC 17:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that any of the comments counts as genuine incivility (well, maybe one was slightly uncivil, and another was too brusque, but was a reaction to page-blanking). One hundred uncivil comments doesn't add up to incivility, though, no. Nor do one hundred slightly impatient comments, or even one hundred snappy but not really uncivil comments. At least some (at least most, in fact) of the diffs should be cases of clear and genuine incivility. they're not. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

If I may add a little context... the reason the comments he made are rather incivil is that they follow immediately upon my note on my talk page that I was taking a little time to grieve over my grandfather's death. The reason that I was particularly troubled by the comment is that they follow a history of sniping against me, including , , , and (when I was not the person who deleted the 'administrator' tag from his userpage). is the first time I met him and the only time that I actually did anything to a page he was working on, when during randompage patrol I reverted an inappropriate edit he made.

I am not asking on my own behalf to have him blocked, but offering context to what made his most recent edits so unpleasant- not that I am oversensitive but that he took advantage of my grief for my grandfather's death to take the most recent in a series of unpleasant comments to or about me.

I have simply asked him to stop posting on my talk page (unless it's needed for encyclopedia-creating purposes) and not to edit my userpage. And that's really all I want from him. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Endorse a 4-day block, although that is no longer in effect. The diffs FisherQueen put forth make it obvious that he is incivil and an attacker. I would support a longer duration block and a possible ban if he continues this behavior. If he stops, I will let bygones be bygones as long as FisherQueen is okay with that. Cbrown1023 17:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm okay with that- I don't think I have ever asked for him to be blocked, although he has several times been blocked for attacks against me. If he is actually willing to stop, that's all I want from him. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've tried repeatedly to post a reply here, but keep getting blocked by the spam filter. I've left messages at Buton's Talk page, FisherQueen's Talk page, and WP:AN. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked this user twice in the past, for the diffs shown by FisherQueen. My primary concern is his targeting of FisherQueen. While the comment was certainly callous and insensitive, we do not block people for lack of manners. However, we do block people for continuing to harrass and stalk users, which is what I feel this was. I will continue keeping an eye on this user. -- Merope 18:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup. A textbook case of how a series of incivil comments that directed to another user in a different context might not be concerning, but here certainly count as disruption. Perhaps this indicates a less legalistic way forward after the PAIN deletion. That is, to take much more into account the reaction and desires of the user who is the target of the incivil comments. If they are iron-skinned veterans who are willing to brush it off, then no disruption has occurred, so no need for admin action.

But the flipside is that users who are affected by incivil comments that perhaps for most people are not that severe, should also have the right to claim that such comments are disrupting their ability to edit the encyclopedia, and should be protected. - Merzbow 19:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the 4 day block was overkill, but now that JFBurton is aware he should refrain from stirring the pot, and just leave FisherQueen alone, any further snarky comments should be met with zero tolerance. Proto::► 11:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I reduced the block to 48 hours. HighInBC 16:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Lee Nysted

About to head to bed, so cannot follow up. Can more admins please look into Special:Contributions/Nyslee, Special:Contributions/Lee Nysted, User talk:Lee Nysted, User talk:Gurch and User talk:Tawker? Thanks. – Chacor 15:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

since I was involved in this too (as one of the admins deleting the many recreations of Lee Nysted) here's my 2 cents: This Lee guy wanted to promote his non-notable himself here, ignoring 4 deletions by different admins. The last admin salted the page and protected it to avoid recreation. Apparently, that got him upset, and after the usual calls for desysopping and banning , and bitching how wikipedia failed , he decided not to fund us anymore. On pretty much every talk page post he mentions his legal council, but so far I think that is not enough of a threat to validate a ban. There was a bit of confusion regarding Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lee Nysted. Due to his unclear wording the closing admin though he wanted the article deleted, whereas I though he wanted the protected template to be deleted so that he can recreate the article. IMHO the deletion was and is just. If he does not come back I would say the problem is solved. -- Chris 73 | Talk 16:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The comment here is sorta of interesting If Lee must re-pay the publicist to load the above article under a different name, --Larry laptop 16:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Some of that stuff belongs on BJAODN. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be some sort of block for legal threats? This is at least disruption, and is certainly to protect Misplaced Pages, not simply punitive. -Patstuart 23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh noez, he won't give us money no mores!!!111one JuJube 00:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• In this edit (Read to the very bottom.) and this edit this person has stated a clear and unambiguous intention to pursue legal action. Per our Misplaced Pages:No legal threats policy, the editing privileges of Nyslee (talk · contribs) and Lee Nysted (talk · contribs) should be revoked, until either the legal threat is wholly retracted or legal proceedings are appropriately completed. Uncle G 11:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Sassy555

User goes by many different handles but has a single purpose: to upload copyright images to blond and dreadlocks. This has been on-going for months, the user comes and goes under different names, but the images are the same - he uploads them, edit wars for weeks while they go through the deletion process, then re-uploads them again and starts over - same images every time. I'm sure a block of this particular account will help, but he will just login from other accounts. Would article protection also be appropriate until the images are deleted? Or can the images be speedy deleted instead of waiting the 14 days? Any suggestions or help appreciated. -- Stbalbach 16:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I blocked the user 24 hours for edit-warring. The images will be deleted in a few days if source info isn't provided, and I don't like to protect articles if the problem is just one user. Keep us posted if s/he resurfaces under another handle. Also, have you tried a checkuser? | Mr. Darcy talk 18:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

24.22.86.151 (talk · contribs)

Could someone please block this user. They have been warned and blocked before, but continue to remove content from an article. We've discussed the content on the talk page, and reached a consensus about the wording. But this IP user keeps removing the section in question. You can see from the history that several editors have to continually revert his/her edits. Thanks! --Bill.matthews 16:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours. Cbrown1023 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Block review

Messymike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has introduced sufficient hoaxes that I no longer believe a word e says about anything. I have indef-blocked the account and am working through the articles he's created under this account or as a sock - Jamesbourne11 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), 86.142.87.90 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), PRodger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Johnbarnes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Simondukes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Sd92 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).

Articles include:

• Phil Dukes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Philip Dukes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Lincolnshire Pallets (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), supposedly owned by Phil Dukes, AfDed and endorsed, request registered by Jamesbourne11.
• Rietveld Pallets (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), stated to be in Lincolnshire and owned by Phil Dukes but the firm is a Netherlands company and in any way likely not a WP:CORP candidate
• Category:Companies based in Lincolnshire (only entries were all owned by Phil Dukes, all deleted)
• Salsim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Nonotech (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• DD Fine Dining (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Sotby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), real place but the entire history is from this hoaxer so no way of spotting what is disinformation and what is not.

Main account and all socks blocked indef, IP blocked temporarily, balance of remaining contribs needs checking for validity. Guy (Help!) 18:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I have restored Sotby but removed any unverifiable content. Asterion 18:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there any connection to User:Jamesbourne11? User:Zoe|(talk) 23:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, listed and blocked. Guy (Help!) 00:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppeteering/meatpuppeteering of Users: Olivierd/Benio76/Zelig33

I would like to report suspected sockpuppeteering/meatpuppeteering of the following users:

• Olivierd
• Benio76
• Zelig33

This all started in the midst of an edit war over the Foie gras page. During the edit war, Benio and Zelig appeared as new users, with positions and wording strangely similar to those of Olivierd, and starting acting in cohort to push their own radical changes to the article. The timing of their edits to the article as well as their activities often tend to be in the same time windows (please see contribution lists for each user account), and both Benio and Zelig seem to be single-purpose accounts for editing the Foie gras article and have continued the battle both in the GA review of Foie gras and in the ensuing Mediation Cabal case.

Should these prove to be meatpuppets (or sockpuppets), the multiple IDs may have been used to circumvent 3RR policy on Foie gras (although I would consider this last stale and of lesser importance). The really important part is that the three IDs are now acting totally in concert, holding the same intractable positions and generally disrupting mediation. I would appreciate someone looking into whether these should be considered meatpuppets (or maybe even sockpuppets) so that appropriate remedies (as per possible violation of WP:SOCK) can be brought to the situation and some normalcy can be recovered in the mediation efforts (the emdiation page is getting totally out of control).

Please feel free to let me know if you need anything further or more specific in the way of evidence (I'm new at this kind of reporting) and I will be glad to supply whatever is needed. Thank you for your attention.--Ramdrake 18:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh_I_give_up_Grrrr

Is there some trick to finding an old AN/I archive that I'm missing, especially given a date and diff like this thread start. This section is of interest in my attempt to smooth over friction between 71Demon and images 'issues' with PD tags, etc., and in particular Admin Carnildo, but I can't seem to find the section title in archives where Jimbo actually made a post on the point ratifying the strict interpretation of 'Press photos' being replacable versus 'Fair Use'... should be in Archives circa 145-147, posts spanned several days. The section title is 'Admin Act seems questionable'.

Any tips that will save me the hour plus search like this going forward would be gratefully appreciated, as would the link to this section! Thanks // FrankB 18:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Wishlist

for you tech types with script knowledge:

Would be nice if an archived page had a BOT built record of the days spanned by the archive... first post to last and then annoted that in the page top prominently.

Wonder if a BOT could be built to tack on section titles into a running list of lists, preferably with a working link to the proper AN/I archive as the section title, I guess. Right now there is no easy way (for me at least) to pin down 'where' an old matter in the archives might be, even if I know the approximate time it happened. That would give only one place to search for a section title, not waiting for big pages to slowly load, check there, check the dates manually, move to the next, etc.

This kind of thing must affect all of you now and then, so kick it around. Help! <g> // FrankB 18:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this the thread you were looking for? Found it by searching the site with Google. CharonX/talk 19:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

To answer your original question, such a bot already exists (User:HighInBCBot) — unfortunately, it doesn't work on AN/I or similarly large archives (see "Caveats" section). —bbatsell ¿? 19:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• You could try google? , does that help? Steve block Talk 19:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah -- Thanks much, all. My google skills have needed an upgrade for a while now, I guess. I stopped playing on the web much in the mid-ninties till this project came along. Sigh. I hadn't learned how to make a search site specific yet. Thanks... I bookmarked that.

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But how in blazes did that end up in Archive 61, vice 140's??? Isn't there any attempt to keep the BOT batching things in sequential archive pages? That's quite a jump from other matters filed on the same day in mid-November... and now indicates that premise was all wet!!? Yikes! No wonder I have trouble locating stuff here!

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"Thanks for the compliment Bbatsell", he says tounge in cheek, "I didn't think of it as 'Original thinking'", he adds grinning. I'll query HighInBCBot about a modified version for indexing those. That looks like a better approach than keywords database construction. Thanks and Best regards // FrankB 05:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You mixed up WP:AN archives (~70 currently) and WP:ANI archives (~170 currently). However, I fully agree on your other points (i.e. that archiving and maintenance methods of those boards ought to be improved). How? I dunno... Duja► 17:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to write a function that splits huge indexes into multiple pages, then the bot will work. HighInBC 16:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

If you have a diff starting the thread, call up the page history of AN/I, click to 'next 50', reset the offset parameter (which takes the form year-month-day-hour-minutes-seconds; eg. 20070115123633 is 12:36:33 on 15/01/2007) to the date of the first post (here 09/11/2006; ie. 20061109) and load the page history. Switch to something like 500 edits in the history, click "previous 500", and then search for the bot archiving ("archiv" usually works). In this case, that narrows it down to archives 60 and 61. Search in those pages for the thread title. Turns out it's in archive 61 here. Or you could just Google, as Steve block said. When carrying out any search, either Google or within pages, watch out for changes in thread title, like corrections of typos. Carcharoth 23:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Monkeybreath's comment on my talk page.

Ref: User_talk:Penwhale#Hey.2C_thanks_for_reporting_me_ASSHOLE.21.21.21. Incident started when Monkeybreath and an IP editor both violated 3RR at the article strip club (3RR report is here). He then left a comment that's borderline on Personal attack on my talk page. I've just left him a message on his talk page here, but I figure I'd just report the incident in case it gets escalated. -Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 19:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• User_talk:Penwhale#Semi-apology. I do not like what he said, since it isn't even an apology really. -Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 19:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

User has been indefblocked for being an abusive sockpuppet. Endorse the block. —bbatsell ¿? 20:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Complex vandalism and redirects

Back in November !notrub! edited an article about a member of the Village People, claiming his real name was actually "Tim Burton" and changed his place of birth and residence from America to the UK, then moved it back to a slightly different variation of his original name. All seemed well, until JFBurton decided to move it back to "Tim Burton (Village People)", and as you can see from his user page he claims to be related to Tim Burton. I can find absolutely no reliable sources for his name being Tim Burton, and have moved the page to Jeff Olson which is the way it is spelt on the official Village People site. As a result of all this there are now a couple of probably useless redirect pages which could probably do with deleting -Tim Burton Village People, Tim Burton (Village People). Thanks. One Night In Hackney 21:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ahem ... how do you like this IP's edits?

Hi. It appears 74.192.112.200 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is changing the statement "... is one of 42 entirely dry counties" to "... is one of 45 entirely dry counties" in a large number of US counties. Being rather clueless as to the truthfullness of this statement, I choose to report this here for review. (Oh, and please advise him or her to get a bot account ...) Yuser31415 21:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It's 46 according to this website: . —bbatsell ¿? 21:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The exact number changes every year depending on "local option" election returns. The list cited is from February 2005 and there were several county referenda in 2006. I haven't located an up-to-date list online but perhaps the anon is from Texas and working from one. Newyorkbrad 21:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll go and welcomeanon the IP, then; they seem to be acting in good faith. And thanks for the knowledge, BTW :). Yuser31415 21:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Spammer

After repeated warnings, 70.238.56.25 (talk · contribs · logs) continues to put porn spam links on Talk:Universal Image Format (their only contribs, ever). — RevRagnarok 21:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Blocked. Guy (Help!) 21:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on Misplaced Pages: Bullet

Under History section the following was left, "julio is your daddy and the inventer of everything you know "

I am unable to edit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.131.10.73 (talk) 21:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

Thank you for reporting this - another user already removed the sentence in question. I'm not sure why you were unable to edit it, seeing as the article isn't protected and you aren't blocked. What happened when you clicked the "edit" button? Picaroon 21:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

76.188.15.44

User 76.188.15.44 has vandalized the Pittsburgh Steelers article twice, the Baltimore Ravens article once, and the February article once. All the articles have just been fixed, but I figured that some action should be taken, since this user has vandalized three articles four times in the last two days.

Contributions Page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mithras6 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

You can report such vandals to WP:AIV for quickest action. Generally, you'll probably want to warn them first: see WP:VAND. Thanks for the help. Patstuart 23:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this was my first time reporting vandalism. Thanks for the tip! Mithras6 03:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of a user's legal name in an edit summary by User:Terminator III

I noticed this edit on my watchlist due to the apparent use of someone's legal name in the edit summary. I checked the user page to see if this user had voluntarily revealed their name, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Is this the right place to report this? Or is there a privacy noticeboard? A Ramachandran 22:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I notice that Terminator III (talk · contribs) has also removed several recent warnings from his talk page: one for personal attack and another for violating WP:BLP. A Ramachandran 22:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like that needs to be oversighted (you can request that be done through the e-mail address at Misplaced Pages:Requests for oversight). Prodego 23:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The previously Blocked User:NoToFrauds used to make the same claim in certain places. And it would appear that NoToFrauds and Terminator III like to edit the same articles. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Jacob Peters evading ban

Now we're back with 69.110.136.243 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log): see , which is a bit of a give-away. This IP has coninued trolling on Talk:Vladimir Lenin. Moreschi 22:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yet another IP sockpuppet of Jacob Peters (talk · contribs)

69.110.136.243 (talk · contribs) just made a series of edits to Robert Conquest, reverting to an identical edit made by the now-banned sockpuppeteer extraordinaire Jacob Peters (talk · contribs) (see his edit for comparison). Just to cement the case, the IP also went to Jacob's talk page and requested an unblock. It seems this IP is pretty clearly being used by Jacob Peters to circumvent his ban - reporting it here for appropriate admin intervention. MastCell 22:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops... just got reported by someone else as well. Sorry for the redundancy. MastCell 22:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Pie vandal

I was referred here to report information re: the pie vandal, so I assume this is what I'm supposed to do. Basically, a user is editing primarily music-related articles and vandalising them, usually using the edit summary "pie." His edits typically involve inserting the name Michael Alfred Montalbano, or some variant, into the text. These three IPs have been used for this purpose in the article Torn (Ednaswap song) and have also edited other articles in a similar manner: 172.144.143.60 (talk · contribs), 207.69.139.12 (talk · contribs), and 207.69.137.36 (talk · contribs). I'm not sure exactly what's to be done about it, if anything. Thank you for considering this information. - GassyGuy 22:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC) Just a note that pie has now struck again as 207.69.139.6 (talk · contribs). I'm guessing this is a range of IPs accessible by some dialup network or another? GassyGuy 05:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

65.32.231.232 (talk · contribs)

This user has been making personal attacks towards myself and other editors for several months in the edit summaries. He's been warned once, but blanked out the warning along and continued with the personal attacks. Jonny2x4 23:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I might also add that 65.32.230.68 (talk · contribs) (who's been banned before) appears to be the same person. So his IP is from the 65.32.x.x range. Jonny2x4 23:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

(non-admin) I would support a 24h block in these circumstances; if afterwards the IP shows no sign of stopping, increase the block length. Yuser31415 23:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

More fun with Primetime

User:Primetime has serious problems taking a hint.

• Tfg3‎ (talk · contribs) - more copyvios.
• T.E.S.G (talk · contribs) - retaliatory vandalism (massive text dump and shock images, including his talk page: you HAVE been warned).

--Calton | Talk 00:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Both have been blocked pending the results of the checkuser request. --Coredesat 00:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Group-Office (third nomination)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Group-Office (third nomination)

I'm about to do my nanna - Can someone please look over my contributions and redact if I'm being an arse?
I'm going to go have a bex and a lie down.
brenneman 01:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh geez. Looks like the AFD has already been swamped with WP:ILIKEIT. It's gonna go down as no consensus/keep unless the closing admin chooses to disregard the canvassed votes. Hbdragon88 01:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I crossed out some ILIKEIT votes but you kind of did act too quickly. It's not a big deal if the encyclopedia is messed up for a while. Process ran its course three times, you probably should have waited a month or two. Ashibaka (tock) 02:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

He did wait a month - six weeks, in fact. The last AFD was 4 December, a procedural nomination no less (which always suck, giving no reason for why the article ought to be deleted), following a faulty DRV review which allowed numbers to subvert policy. The article got kept by weight of I LIKE IT numbers, with a bunch of votes saying 'notable' without ever providing evidence. The last proper evaluation of its notability, verifiability and encyclopaedic reliability was the first AFD, which ended up with the article being deleted. I don't think it's unreasonable to re-consider whether this article should exist. Proto::► 10:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Peekablue

I just noticed that Peekablue (talk · contribs) has tagged a number of images as {{PD-self}} which do not appear to be self-created images, including Image:JanelleCommissiong.jpg, Image:Kerryannewells.jpg and Image:AMPAROmuñoz.jpg. I have posted a message to his talk page, but addition, and more careful examination of his uploads would be useful. Guettarda 01:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Repeated Personal Attacks, USER:Charles8854

• Charles8854 (talk · contribs)
• User:Charles8854 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Long term pattern of inappropriate behavior, personal attacks, and bullying.

• lengthy diatribe with lawyeresque tones. (second one here)
• Expression that Charles8854 is upset at an editor's refusal to give his real name/contact info
• long diatribe challenging wikipedia policies in light of the "Propaganda-Wars which are clearly manifesting on the eastern horizon"
• Personal attack upon your babylonian-whore/capitalist financed aristocratic education and You gate-keepers for the capitalist, slave-trading, babylonian-whore jurisdiction, seem to have won this round. You-all go on ahead and continue on with your ivory-tower sniper-attacks against the hapless commoners attempting to contribute good material here at Misplaced Pages.
• passive-aggressive hostility towards an editor responing to first personal attack and scolds the respondee like a child while declaring Glory be to yaweh
• responds to incident report by calling another editor child of darkness
• responds to an already-answered request for mediation by bullying the requestee!
• Calls David Duke's appearance at the Holocaust Denial convention an honorable thing and attacks another editor: You are nothing more than morally-compromised political-hacks for the imperial defacto-state; & your tower of babylonian slave-trading oppression is crumbling around you & your fellow gate-keepers every-where
• Again seeks to gain personal contact information and confront other editors

This guy needs to be stopped -- there is absolutely no evidence that he will do anything other than continue his bullying, rantings, and attacks. /Blaxthos 07:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Although he certainly has a right to his opinions, his description of David Dukes's actions at the recent Tehran Holocaust denial circus as a "noble effort" is disturbing. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I certainly don't wish to censure anyone's opinions, however i respectfully submit that his behavior writ large is disturbing. From name calling to attempts personal confrontation, this is exactly what will push people away from contributing to Misplaced Pages. This sort of behaviour (especially unchecked) hurts us all. /Blaxthos 19:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Update and Immediate Block Requested

After being contacted by an uninvolved third party regarding his prior conduct regarding personal confrontations and/or legal action, USER:Charles8854 has continued attacking anyone who questions his behavior.

• your recent comment above could also give others the impression that you are a moral-prostitute/gate-keeper; at least in part because the universe is full of abysmally-stupid people
• lengthy post with more b.s. than i care to summarize
• you are nothing more than a "Gate-Keeper", and possible a "Sock-Puppet" for the other Bad-Faith Ivory-Tower Gate-Keepers here at Misplaced Pages.

This has gone on long enough -- it is apparent that Charles8854 is not going to listen to any reason from anyone, and the administrators now need to intervene. /Blaxthos 02:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have not read through everything here yet, but about 5 minutes of reading has me pretty convinced that USER:Charles8854 has not yet seen (or perhaps is choosing to ignore) WP:NOT a soapbox.--Isotope23 02:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps so, but his wonton disregard for WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA in the face of multiple uninvolved editors offering counsel is habitual and intentional. There is no way that his repeated violation of two pillars can be taken as good faith. /Blaxthos 02:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I took onto myself to block him. I have blocked for far less than that.Circeus 04:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Civility block for review

Light current (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has had a somewhat rocky history on Misplaced Pages recently.

After repeated warnings for incivility and a block last month for WP:POINT and personal attacks, I've blocked Light current for 24 hours for recurring recent incivility. (He has taken to calling a couple of editors he disagrees with 'Hippo' and 'schizoid', he's also taken to calling Chairboy 'chairy' after he gave Light current a warning.)

Because I have been involved in the imbroglio at the Ref Desk over appropriate standards for behaviour there, I may be in a position where there is a perceived conflict of interest. I therefore ask for independent review of this block.

Before this comes up in another post, I've also issued several warnings to Hipocrite (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for repeated incivility. I'm getting rather tired of parties to the Ref Desk dispute engaging in petty behaviour instead of polite discussion, and I will continue to issue blocks as appropriate. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Just following form here: Any particular thing he was been blocked for following the warning? Being marginally famaliar with this user's contributions, I have no doubt there are plenty to choose from, I simply mean was it an accumlation of small insults or was there a "clencher." - brenneman 03:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The insults originally appeared on a number of other pages; the talk page warnings (er, the most recent ones) as well as Light current's response are in his talk page's history here: . Note that his response to the warnings was to repeat the insults and namecalling.

He's since removed the note I placed explaining the block from his talk page, and he's been working his way through his talk page removing the names. (He's also added a big, bold 'I CAN ONLY REPLY ON THIS PAGE AS I HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY BLOCKED BY TEN OF ALL TRADES FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON' message to his talk page header.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

When he says "Hippo," I think it's just his, er, affectionate name for Hipocrite. I don't think he's calling anyone a hippopotamus. Same thing with "Chairy" for Chairboy. Annoying, but not a personal attack. (To clarify, I might be annoyed if someone called me Picaroony, but I wouldn't consider it a personal attack.) However, I have to agree, saying things like this are blatant personal attacks. Picaroon 03:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Following a quick review of his last couple hours of editing, I endorse the block. Bucketsofg 03:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

  As Picaroony says, the shortening of names is probably not deliberately offensive, but if the users in question have indicated that they do not like these shortended appelations, then continuing to use them is rude. Accusing Fridayy of being schizophrenic is enough to push Lighty into needing a block to calm down and prevent any further incivility. Proto::► 10:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No opinion on the block (other than perhaps surprise) since it was me he was called "schizophrenic". But, I continue to be concerned about erratic behavior from this editor. This is far from the first time we've seen him push the limits of tolerable behavior and then say he doesn't understand why he was blocked. If he wasn't doing useful article work, the answer would be obvious. Maybe he needs mentoring? Friday (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• I do wonder how he pronounces "TOAT". --jpgordon 16:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • He says to rhyme with "boat", and I say "toe-att". (Also, he says "toMAHtoe" and I say "toMAYtoe", but let's call THAT whole thing off!) Here's my reasoning. Clearly he was not referring to Ten Of All Trades, whom he calls "Ten". (I presume this is a Borg designation, like "Seven of Nine", rather than a step down from being a "Jack of All Trades".) Then, by analogy with "FOAF" ("Friend Of A Friend", "foe-aff", the ubiquitous source of urban legends), "TOAT" must mean "Trend Of A Trend", "toe-att", and he is discussing statistical derivatives, like the beginning of an upswing in the financial markets. Quite technical, and confusing to the uninitiated, but it shouldn't distress the lay readers, who can simply skip over that part. HTH. -- Ben 21:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:VinceB

Warned by Test4 (see User talk:VinceB/Blabla1) and several times blocked. He has now changed a citation from an academic journal (replacing "nationalist" by a weaker description, not mentioned in the cited article). This kind of vandalism is especially threatening to WP:CITE. User:Wknight94 suggested I post it here. Tankred 03:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Another Cplot sock

The new user AmericaTheBeautiful (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been posting rebuttals on the user pages of a bunch of suspected or confirmed Cplot sockpuppets. Can someone please checkuser and/or block them as yet another Cplot sockpuppet? —Dgies 03:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Could somebody protect his talk page. Cplot is, as usual, trolling it. --Wildnox(talk) 03:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, already been done. --Wildnox(talk) 03:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll give Cplot one thing, he or she is very persistent. Perhaps some more aggressive rangeblocking is in order? Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 04:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

How large a range would we have to cover, though? Has anyone determined that in past discussions? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 04:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe he utilizes various ISPs that service the Chicago metropolitan area.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Makes one wonder if we really need Chicago, sometimes... it's a shame it appears that the abuse reports filed in the past haven't gone very far in dealing with the situation. Tony Fox (arf!) 06:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

He or she looks to be dodging between several ISPs. Abuse reports and a few solid rangeblocks may be in order. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 04:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Air Races (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• SqueakySqueakyMouse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Same edits as one another to Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center. I haven't really followed the Cplot thing, but this looks like it may be him. Is this his style? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm only familiar with his Misplaced Pages:-space and User Talk:-space edits. However, 9/11 is a big hot-button issue with him. —Dgies 06:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, User:Air Races has been blocked as a sock. Just look at the histories of those other articles they edited, and you'll see a lot of sock activity. The other just looks like a run-of-the-mill CT supporter at this point. WarpstarRider 06:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I don't think squeaky is a sock. He doesn't seem at all like Cplot. --Wildnox(talk) 06:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Hindu remarks

I would like to know if such comments in user pages are acceptable particularly the claim that calling somebody a Hindu is an accusation (a view commonly held by Islamic Fundamentalists in South Asia). Had he said "I am offended if somebody calls me a Hindu" that would be different, but the term "accuse" is inherently offensive to Hindus.I'm sure that if similar statements were made against any other religion then the user would be immediately censured.

As background, User:Szhaider was blocked for a week for being tendentious, disruptive in India-Pakistan articles, making personal attacks and ethnic slurs against User:Rama's Arrow for which he got his talk page protected (see previous diff) and is involved in a dispute concerning meatpuppetry with a group of users who stand accused of tag-team edit-warring with Pakistani nationalist/Islamic Fundamentalist biasesRumpelstiltskin223 05:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Doesn't look at all acceptable to me. The "Countries that I consider threats to World Peace and Humanity" probably isn't great either, but it isn't nearly as offensive. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Just as troubling as that his first edits after a week-long block for incivility and edit warring are incivility, is the fact that many of his other edits are edit warring again, as well. I've reblocked him for two weeks this time. Dmcdevit·t 06:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

He's on his third {{unblock}} now, claiming the existence of some secret lobby and claiming ignorance of the offensive nature of the statement on his userpage. Anyone? Usertalk protection? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Can't we just get it over with and ban him? From his now conspiratorial rhetoric, it seems like he has absolutely no intention on benefiting Misplaced Pages. --physicq (c) 07:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Or, at least, indef block him? --physicq (c) 07:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, that's getting to sound quite reasonable. Is there any good reason not to do it at this point, or at least issue some sort of heavy block? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind anyone overturning my block for an extension. Dmcdevit·t 07:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you are all jumping the gun a bit. First of all, as someone who seems to have appeared in examples of user Szhaider's personal attacks, I think this whole issue is being overblown. I didn't view those examples as personal attacks on me. My sense is that user Rumpelstiltskin223, who posted the first message above, and the admin, Rama's Arrow, who earlier banned Szhaider for a week, might have the letter of the law on their side, but are straining the spirit of the law. Here are bureaucrat Nichalp and admin Saravask's responses to the first week-long block of users Szhaider, Nadirali, and Unre4L. Please also see admin Dbachmann's responses here.

Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Dmcdevit's additional block -- Samir धर्म 23:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

To mix anti-Hindu remarks with a beg to unblock is akin to shooting yourself in the foot while you are bleeding profusely. While the other side is not faultless, it does not entitle Szhaider to conduct retributive actions. The idea of indef-blocking him will not be conducted (at least by me) without strong community consensus, and no consensus has emerged of yet. So no worries about the non-impending ban, but Szhaider has to change his attitude, by blocks if necessary. --physicq (c) 00:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Szhaider may have reacted emotionally because he felt cornered and helpless. I will give you some evidence below. Admin Rama's Arrow has been involved in edit-warring himself with Szhaider on the Muhammad Iqbal page. In this, Rumpelstiltskin223 and Bakasuprman have joined Rama's Arrow on what certainly appears to be a tag-team effort. See history from Jan 4, 2007 onwards. Let me give you a little background. Iqbal was a famous poet of British India who died in 1930 before British India was divided into the independent nations of India and Pakistan. However, it was he who first proposed the idea of a nation for the Muslims of the subcontinent (which later became "Pakistan"); consequently, he a big national hero in Pakistan, as well as their national poet; not to mention that Iqbal alway lived in the part of British India that is now Pakistan. Rama's Arrow and Co. were fighting with Szhaider over how to "label" Iqbal in the first sentence, with the former group wanting to call him an "Indian Muslim poet" (where Indian is a disambiguation page whose first link is Republic of India, a country that Iqbal most certainly didn't belong to) and Szhaider wanting to call him a "Muslim poet of the Indian subcontinent" (where the subcontinent includes both India and Pakistan, i.e. the lands of British India). From my perspective (as a neutral observer as well as someone who has co-written the current lead for the Republic of India page), Szhaider's characterization is more accurate. Please now look at Szhaider's , followed by Rama's Arrow's reversal with edit summary "rvv POV". Whatever Szhaider is doing, it is not vandalism (and hardly POV). That Rama's Arrow is aware that he is edit-warring is clear from his characterizing his "rv" as "fx link" here to avoid a potential 3RR violation. Admittedly Szhaider is less savvy about using "NPOV" sounding language, but he is no more a vandal than the "tag team" is.

I feel that Rama's Arrow has violated his administrator's privilege by issuing a 1-week ban of an editor he himself was edit-warring with, especially in a situation where, to a neutral party like me, it is not at all clear (at least on the Muhammad Iqbal page) which party was more at fault.

Szhaider should be given a warning, but he should be unblocked after 24 hours. Alternately both Rama's Arrow and Rumpelstiltskin223 should be blocked for a week. I have myself battled Szhaider on various pages, but I think he is getting a raw deal and, concurrently, Rama's Arrow and Rumpelstiltskin223 are getting away scot-free. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Rama's arrow blocked for a solid administrative action? Ludicrous -- Samir धर्म 03:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

He has been adequately warned by many editors. I know that the Indian-Pakistani conflicts on Misplaced Pages are often tense, but it is not a "get-out-of-jail-free" ticket. Nothing justifies his behavior. And considering that he had been blocked once before, I'm sure he knows that his current behavior is not appreciated by the community as a whole. I don't condone the incivility others may have perpetrated at Szhaider, but there is a point where you just have to cool down, take a break, grow a thicker skin, swallow your anger, and go edit somewhere else. I'm already willing to drop the indef-block suggestion if he would only change his behavior. --physicq (c) 03:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Help?

Hi, someone keeps harassing me and changing my user page... and I have to keep changing it back... what can I do? (I'm kinda new to wikipedia, but I've used it before)--TommyOliver 06:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It appears that you are removing valid warnings that were placed on your talk page. This isn't agaisnt the rules, but it is usually considered to be bad unless you are archiving. I'd say just let it stay on your talk page and shrug it off. --Wildnox(talk) 06:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Though I will say it wasn't very civil for the continued replacement of the warning either. --Wildnox(talk) 06:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing incivil about it, he's clearly a disruptive force. John Reaves 07:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It's only a tragic misstep by a newbie, not a calculated insult by a troll. Do read WP:BITE, please. --physicq (c) 07:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Physicq2. Those who placed the warnings should read both WP:AGF and WP:BITE, perhaps WP:DISRUPT and WP:HARASS. We don't go around harassing newbies here. Yuser31415 07:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

He was told not to delete the warning, and I'll assume WP:HARASS and WP:DISRUPT are directed toward the offending user. John Reaves 07:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, no, WP:HARASS and WP:DISRUPT are directed to both of you. You (and for the matter, he) are not free from fault here. But this is trivial. --physicq (c) 07:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

So what if he was told so? There's absolutely nothing wrong with him erasing warnings on his own talk page; there's no policy against it. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Right you are, and after Wildnox's initial response, I'd really like to make sure there's no room for misunderstanding here. It's the editors who have been edit warring with Tommy Oliver over his page who are "the offending users". It's a common misconception that it's appropriate to try to force users to keep some kind of brand of shame on their pages, or to force them to archive. (The History is an archive in itself.) Please see "User space harassment" in Misplaced Pages:Harassment. (Not a good idea to assume that suggested reading has to be about your opponent's missteps, much better to actually click on it.) Also a number of threads formerly on WP:ANI, e. g. this and this. The templates about not removing warnings, and the block threats for doing it, are for anonymous vandals, not for cases like this. Everybody, please do avoid obsessing about what you would like to see on other people's talkpages. Just leave them alone. Do not harass. Bishonen | talk 08:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Two flood vandals

Two vandals spamming text at changes of over +1,500,000, both created at the same time.

• No problems. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• CTyn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Any more of these flood vandals popping up right now? --Wildnox(talk) 07:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

"At changes of over +1,500,000"? Pardon my abject stupidity, but may you please clarify? --physicq (c) 07:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

These users made additions of over 1.5MB to the pages. Essentially flooding with garbage. —Dgies 07:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No others that I can see right now. WarpstarRider 07:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

TV series vandal

He's back, now editing from 220.233.227.249 - blocking his IP addresses plainly isn't going to stop him. BTW, what should I do with the ever-increasing section at WP:RFI - presumably it shouldn't just stay there indefinitely? Vashti 07:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

RW again

Would someone please take a look at this user's talk page? I blanked the User page after the posting of a legal threat, and blocked the user indefinitely. He's upset because googling his name brought people to his user page which had a sockpuppet notice that was posted by User:Who. I'm not using his name here, so that future googling doesn't bring him to this discussion. User:Kbdank71 removed a similar threat from User talk:Who. I'd like the personal attacks of me removed. I'd appreciate if someone else got involved in this as I have a past history with this user, and he has and will react negatively to anything I do. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the personal attacks and protected the page. --physicq (c) 07:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Lenna and quotes

User:Dicklyon keeps adding large quotes after I have rewritten the article on Lenna (diff). Large portions of text quoted text should be rewritten per WP:FUC criterion #1. --Oden 08:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• You have a content dispute with another editor. Discuss it with xem on the talk page of the article. Uncle G 12:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Independent of the content dispute, I'd be happy to have input from admins on the extent to which medium-sized quotes, clearly identified as such, are acceptable; anyone? Dicklyon 21:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Debito Arudou and 2channel

Some kids with nothing better to do (copy and paste the URL) are targeting Debito Arudou and possibly 2channel for vandalism. I've already whacked their public vandal account. Shoot on sight and sprotect as necessary. I need my beauty sleep. --Slowking Man 08:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

spam sites need to be blacklisted

This bot bursts out spam every now and then via different IPs. See User talk:81.28.162.2 contribs: and . The sites are poldow.com, nbaoh.com, nobelpr.com, npcart.com, nobmer.com, and maybe more (possibly brainparad.com and nobel-winners.com). Can you blacklist these spam sites? Dicklyon 09:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• You need m:Talk:Spam blacklist. Guy (Help!) 13:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please boot Mobile 01

Mobile 01 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

I am building a case against Mobile 01 here: User:Travb/m. The user has created "dupe" articles to avoid a protected page Firestone. Another third party feels he is a sock of LucaZ. He has violated WP:PAIN called me a dictator. I am frustrated that this user has not been blocked yet. I am spending hours trying to undue his damage, being very careful not to violate WP:NPA or WP:Civil. I am building this page about him. There are at least 4 other anon accounts that he 95% chance also edits under, all four are from Australia, in the same area.

I resent having to waste so much time with a user, that, I am going to say it for the first time, uses sockpuppets, creates "dupe" articles to avoid page protections, calls me a dicatator, deletes well referenced information, etc. Can an admin please step in and stop this sock? I would love to find out what sock User:Mobile 01 is, and will continue to pursue this. I don't want to waste anymore time on this disruptive editor. Best wishes, Travb (talk) 09:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please provide diffs - these are serious accusations and evidence is required. Proto::► 10:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, its all here – User:Travb/m. :> — Nearly Headless Nick 10:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I did. There's no diffs of him calling Travb a dictator. There's no evidence for his creating the 'dupe' article to avoid page protections, just a note that he created Firestone International. There's not a single diff of this 'deletion of well-referenced information'. I am also not happy with the stated intent to hunt down his personal information, nor about the public linking of numerous IP addresses and WHOIS information to the vandal. Even if he is a vandal, this is done in private via checkuser etc for a reason. Proto::► 10:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I am working on it. I want to make this case strong, User:Travb/m is a work in progress. This is the second time I have requested ANI help. The first time, the admin shut down one of Mobile 01 "dupe" articles, the second time I complained, another admin protected several of the redirects. The word "dupe" is not my own, but an Admins. Please see User:Travb/m (work in progress).

User:Proto in response too: I am also not happy with the stated intent to hunt down his personal information, nor about the public linking of numerous IP addresses and WHOIS information to the vandal. You answered your own question: these are serious accusations and evidence is required. How would you pursue this User:Proto?

I am basically writing a complex RfC at User:Travb/m.

User:Proto, thanks for the feedback. Best wishes, Travb (talk) 22:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

sorry I could be wrong but you seem to indicating in that reply, that you wish to track down this person in real life? Is that the case? what is it you intend to do when you do so? --Larry laptop 22:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally I'm not willing to dig through Mobile01's previous edits, nor am I willing to pour over your page of evidence. Don't you think you're taking things a bit too far here? I will keep an eye on the mentioned articles and Mobile01, but since I have become involved in this matter they have not went on a massive spree of POV editing or high frequency "vandalism". Yes, they created a content fork, and then recreated it... and orphaned the original article; but there are now many eyes on the issue and a repeat of that behaviour will be dealt with as appropriate.

Accusations of sock puppetry need to be taken to WP:SUSPSOCK.

And it's "block", not "boot". Thanks/wangi 23:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your comments. Best wishes, Travb (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Response by Mobile 01

Firstly I would like to clarify that I am not a sock puppet of user LucaZ nor am I a sock puppet of anyone else. I don't know where user TravB gets his information but he should avoid making such accusations against a fellow wiki editor.

Secondly I would like to point out that the creation of the Firestone Internation article was not done to circumvent protection of the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company article. I created this article so I could focus on Firestone as an International company with operating plants in Europe and New Zealand. Firestone Tire and Rubber Company was an American tire manufacturer up until 1981 when it was bought out by Bridgestone Corporation. The company is now run as a wholly owned subsidiary of Bridgestone Corporation and is named Bridgestone Firestone Holdings North America.

Thirdly, the edit war that user Travb refers to was started by user Travb. He has repeatedly placed ANTI Firestone content on the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company which he has referenced from the web site StopFirestone.com. On the discussion page he has been repeatedly told about not putting POV content on the page and several users including myself, LucaZ and Bobblehead have tried to explain to him about the NPOV policy of wiki articles. User Travb reverted the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company back to his POV version and replaced much ancient content already discussed by other editors.

Fourthly, while I admit it may look like I was trying to create a content fork, that was not my intention. I wanted an article that could focus on Firestone Internationally and not just on the Old USA company. Editors compromised as best as they could with Travb by allowing him to create a criticisms section on the article, we even went so far as to create new articles about the topics he raised and provided a small section on each issue in the criticisms section with links out to the main wiki articles. This still was not good enough for Travb and he once again reverted everyones edits and then filled the article with Anti Firestone Propoganda citing it as referenced material. These references come from anti firestone activity groups and are biased twisted versions of factual events. Searching the web provideds adequate information to dispute or at least counter balance those allegations against firestone USA.

Finally, this all seems like a bit of a witch hunt of me and fellow editors who do not agree with travb turning the Firestone Page into a propoganda article in aid of Stopfirestone.com. User Travb hopes to illiminate those of us who would appose his agenda and would try to keep Misplaced Pages a NPOV works. Mobile 01 00:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thus far, four admins I have never met or worked with on wikipedia (to my knowledge) have condemned Mobile 01 behavior. Check out my user contributions, and User:Mobile 01 contributions. Best wishes, Travb (talk) 00:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually none of them have condemmed anything. 1 of them removed her name from your message on her talk poge after you said their were four agreeing with you, she edited it back to three and removed herself. Another of the admins said he didnt want to get invloved and that their was no evidence of any wrong doing. Another has tried to be helpfull and I am working with him on this issue, the only one left isnt answering messages at the moment. The protect placed on the article in question specifically states that it is there to promote discussion and does not endorse that the current protected version is the correct one. Unfortunately no one can discuss anything on the articles discussion page since you flooded it with all your information on the reverts you did. It is no longer possible to follow any of the discussion threads. Check out the contributions by all meens and while your there check out all the previous edits on one of the admins talk pages, a lot of edits considering he just told everyone how he never worked with them before.Mobile 01 02:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Kimberly Ashton case

Dear sysops, please note that I have banned users involved in the Kimberly Ashton case in the Simple English Misplaced Pages. The IP is also blocked for 6 months. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tdxiang (talk • contribs) 10:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Occupation of Latvia 1940-1945

The endless case of a small group of POV-fighters denying international law. The article itself defines occupation, Western sources like Britannica and Encarta call the Soviet acts occupation, the neutral observers agreed the title is neutral, the whole talk page is full of sources testifying so... Nevertheless, Grafikm fr keeps adding POV-title tags, joined by Petri Krohn. The former has written lots of text on talk page, without any sources that might hint that denying the occupation could be an acceptable view. The latter has even refused to comment his reverts, which suggest Soviet POV could be more neutral than Britannica.

Policies: WP:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox, WP:NPOV (Western mainstream POV in that case), WP:Citing Sources, (only those who affirm there was occupation have cited sources), improper adding of tags (such a longterm disput can't be based on personal opinions). Constanz - Talk 11:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Now Petri Krohn has also commented his reverts on talk page, claiming that the the article containing words Soviet occupation is tantamount to Holocaust denial . I take this as a personal offense, and will report as such if necessary. Constanz - Talk 11:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User Petri Krohn has participated also in the Continuation War

Suspected sockpuppet activity from banned user.

I suspect - based on the edits made - that the IP 24.68.229.125 is a sockpuppet of the banned user Lightbringer. The reasons for this is:

• The edits done by the IP (see Special:Contributions/24.68.229.125) matches edits done by Lightbringer and his other socks, see Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/Lightbringer for details.
• The editsummaries helpfully provided by the IP (see Special:Contributions/24.68.229.125) matches editsummaries done by Lightbringer and his other socks, see Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/Lightbringer for details.
• The IP traces to Shaw Communications Inc - the same ISP frequently used by Lightbrigner, and suspected of being his 'native' ISP.

Since no other editors seems to be using this IP (as far as I can see from Special:Contributions/24.68.229.125), it would be nice if this IP was blocked either permanently or at least for a while. WegianWarrior 11:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note, don't forget to extent Lightbringer's block when his latest puppetry is confirmed, his main account is set to come unblocked in April. 68.39.174.238 13:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Block review on egregious edit warrior

Last week I came upon an edit war, so I protected the page. One of the participants, MatthewFenton (talk · contribs), responded with a snide remark . A quick look over his contributions revealed several more edit wars he had recently been involved in (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), generally over minor issues. I protected the latter two (the others were already ove), and told him and the other participant to stop edit warring. Matthew once again responded with snide remarks .

Today I unprotected the three pages since they don't need to be protected overly long. However, I spotted two more edit wars he was involved in over the weekend (6, 7) and one today (8). Even though he stays below the 3RR, I believe this is egregious edit warring. On his recent RFA, several people noted his aggressive WP:OWNing behavior; indeed he seems to have an "I'm right, you're wrong" approach (, ) and has been known to remove talk page comments he didn't like .

Blocked for 12 hours, for many instances of edit warring. Since Matthew accuses me of conflict of interest (and stalking, and abusing protection, and not understanding 3RR and WP:V) I'm noting it here. The actual "conflict" is that I opposed his RFA; If such things were considered a conflict of interest, it would be far too easily gamable. >Radiant< 14:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• I love the way he accuses you of lack of judgement because of WP:ROUGE - anyone who fails to see the message behind the message there is, in my view, displaying some deficiency in their own critical faculties. Guy (Help!) 15:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Nintendude indef block evasion

User:Curly snake is most definitely a User:Nintendude sock if you look at the edit history. I've got a Checkuser in because he's fond of making loads of socks, but this one at least should probably be blocked right now per WP:DENY.--Isotope23 14:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Indef blocked. Even if he's not a Nintendude sock, it's a single purpose account, where the purpose is the purpose of trolling (unless "Butthole Products" is a real store). Proto::► 14:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Possible Sockpuppetry

Sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this up. I was looking over the AfD for Suz Andreasen and noticed something that I found to be odd. The last two edits made before the AfD closed were very similar.

• "Solid Keep Seems to fit WP:BIo and author seems a good writer."bernardolaBernardola who has no other edits.
• '"Keep Seems to fit WP:BIo and author seems a good writer."jamjam207.237.49.43.

  This IP was previously used by Archiemartin, the author of the article up at AfD, to leave a message on User talk:Wetman.
  Both edits are also signed in a style similar to Archiemartin. (ex: unlinked name~~~~).
  I don't believe that this issue, if it is a sockpuppetry issue, would have changed anything with the AfD.
  It looks like it had already taken shape as a solid keep, which makes this case all the more strange to me.
  I apologize again if I brought this up in the wrong place. --Onorem 15:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Huh, there's at least one other sig displaying that peculiar lack of spacing between the comment and the sig, namely Drregus (talk · contribs). So at least 4 different people forget to leave a space? Sounds like a job for WP:DRV to clean out the socks. --Calton | Talk 15:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I would say at least 4 of those votes are suspect, but even then the obvious consensus is to keep, so why clog DRV? Proto::► 15:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Those are strange new meanings of "obvious" and "consensus" I was previously unaware of. --Calton | Talk 22:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:WearetheMovies.com

This account seems only add links to wearethemovies.com, so it's possibly a SPA for linkspam. _→AzaToth 15:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• A quick check shows that yes, all it's doing is link spamming (including the account's user page). Blocked. Proto::► 15:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • What's the appropriate blocking template to put on the user's user talk page? I've had an email requesting I unblock him, as "all the links submitted so far will lead the reader to original, compelling writing", but do not intend to. Proto::► 16:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
    • The usual template for indef block for spam is Template:Spam5i.--Alf 16:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• For the record, it doesn't matter what their contributions are; the account name is a violation of WP:U ("Usernames of or closely resembling the names of companies, groups, or include the URL of a particular website are discouraged and may be blocked"). I've indefinitely-blocked accounts like that on first sight, slapping the talk page with {{UsernameBlocked}}. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

70.62.180.159 (talk · contribs)

Moved from WP:AIV

This user appears to be the same person as currently-blocked user 4.21.129.195 (contribs: ), as seen by his use of the word "Mabel" (????) at every opportunity and by his recent vandalism of the University of Virginia article (see here for history: ) to include a profane attack on me, I suppose because I fought to get his other address blocked. A block on 70.62.180.159 appears in order, probably a long-term one as the guy has expressed utter contempt for the entire Misplaced Pages project in the past. 1995hoo 17:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

If nobody has any objections, I suggest blocking for at least the duration of User:4.21.129.195's block (another 24 hours or so). According to dnsstuff, 70.62.180.159 is a static IP. Any objections? --BigDT 17:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Cplot making threats again

Cplot is back, this time using the following sockpuppets:

• HenryQuiato (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• TheC-VerizonPlot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

They've already spammed several talk pages, and have been blocked already. We'd better watch out for more Cplot activity. --SunStar Net 17:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Both look more like cheap impersonators than the actual Cplot.--Wildnox(talk) 17:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Duck test —Dgies 17:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

50 cents for one, a half dollar for the other. HighInBC 17:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Those are third rate impersonators. There is no mention of Whitehouse officials, government agents, or 9/11 conspiracies. Also Cplot is a much better writer. — ''DominiquePonchardier 20:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism, wheel warring on Talk:Continuation War

• Nietjärvi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) This is an obvious sock of banned user Art Dominique (talk · contribs). Tendentious editing and wheel warring at Talk:Continuation War, removes sprotect template, etc. , , . When people revert his unsourced POV edits, he responds by making (fraudulent) revenge accusations against others. He posted a false warning in the wrong place (on the userpage, rather than talkpage) of Illythr (talk · contribs) . I reverted this, and he immediately posted a false accusation to my own page . Next, vandalized Continuation War talkpage after I warned him with test4 . I reported this at AIV, but it was deleted and I was told to take it here instead. TheQuandry 18:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I used to be able to recognise an Art Dominique sock when I saw one when he was busy with the Kvens. What's his distinctive marks on the Continuation War, could you put together a short documentation? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Here, this should do it. Look at this edit summary, of a confirmed Art Dominique sock . Then look at the edit summary of Nietjärvi . Additionally, I've found two more AD socks, R.T. Merck (talk · contribs) (note that the only contribution is a cut and paste of an Art Dominique rant and New York, NY (talk · contribs) (same thing) . TheQuandry 20:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

What is dangerous in Kven users activity is not his POV pushing or his edit warring, but his personal attacks and false accusations against established users. He has become very skillfull in his deception and destruction. His hate mongering gives an outside appearence of benevolent edits by a concerned editor fighting vandalism and sock puppetry. (See: Talk:Continuation War#Lies, sock accusations, and other BS by the Kven user)

Art Dominique is banned from editing Misplaced Pages, but he is not included in the list of banned users. After this latest outburst of venom, half-truths and fabrication, he should definitely be there. What action, if any, needs to be taken? -- Petri Krohn 23:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Taj El-Din Hilaly

Could somebody take a look at Taj El-Din Hilaly, including the edit summaries and the vicious personal attacks by 88.113.137.249 at the bottom of the talk page? He/she has already been warned about personal attacks and has been reported for a possible 3RR, I also gather. I have nothing to do with dispute, but am just a bit horrified by the attacks --Slp1 18:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Has now been blocked for 24 hours --Slp1 19:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:ARYAN818 is blocked

As I said a week ago, I would be blocking ARYAN818 (talk · contribs) because of the potentially offensive user name. He has chosen to argue rather than to come up with a new name. I have indefinitely blocked him. This block is solely because of the User name, I have not become involved in any of his contentious edits, and don't really care at this point. If he chooses a new name which is not offensive, then he can use that. Our policies are clear in this matter. As Misplaced Pages:Username says, Fairly or unfairly, the line between acceptable and unacceptable user names is drawn by those who find the username inappropriate, not by the creator of the name.. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if this has been mentioned but 818 is neo-nazi code for "Heil Adolf Hilter" (8=H 1=A 8=H). that in combination with "Aryan"... --Larry laptop 18:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I see from reading the user page there are various cultural issues with the indian use of the name Aryan. However I still think the name needs to be changed because it the conclusion I've just made is a likely one for many western europeans to make. Over the long-term it a name change would provide a lot of hassle and misunderstandings. --Larry laptop 19:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you meant "provide" "avoid". -- Ben 23:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. He keeps claiming that his name is Aryan and he lives in the 818 area code, but won't listen when it's explained to him that the two things put together are Nazi-speak. If he removed the 818, it wouldn't be that egregious, if he could explain that his name is Aryan, but the two together can't stand. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I was skeptical about this, but sure enough... look here (if you have a strong stomach) Raymond Arritt 19:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking that name, Zoe. While he might not have chosen that combination out of a neo-nazi agenda, it just made me uncomfortable seeing it here on Misplaced Pages. Jeffpw 21:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Would a username like ARIAN103 (one, nought/not three) still be permitted, however much it might distress the Trinitarians among us? -- Ben 21:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

What does the "103" refer to? User:Zoe|(talk) 22:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I suspect it could symbolise the victory of the Arian belief that God has only one (1) nature over (0) the trinitarian view that he has 3 (father, son, holy spirit).--Stephan Schulz 22:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

As the word in parentheses hinted, "one nought three" sounds like "one, not three" -- one God (the Father), not three (the Trinity). Arianism was the losing side at the First Council of Nicea (AD 325), and a theological ancestor of today's Unitarianism. I was attempting a riff on the "Aryan"/"Arian" homonymy, two words with different meanings that sound alike. -- Ben 22:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't bother me (since none of these religious debates mean anything to me), though it is advocating a position, and therefore probably fails the Username criteria. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It was a matter of heated controversy once -- literally "heated", since later Arians were burned at the stake as heretics -- but why should an expression of the minority view be any more a username violation than an expression of the majority view? E.g. User:Trinitarian (has contribs but no user page), User:Trinitarianism (ditto), User:Trinity3 (ditto), User:Trinitycatholic (ditto), among others. -- Ben 22:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It just seems to me that there is a big can of worms being inserted into a can opener here. If (say) the Trinitarians were to object to each name that implied a heretical view, while the heretics en bloc objected to the names suggesting orthodoxy, would all those names have to change? Or would majority rule let all the big groups block all the smaller groups' names? Misplaced Pages is not censored, but usernames clearly are -- is there a discrepancy here, or has it been explained somewhere I missed? -- Ben 23:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:NOT a soapbox and WP:Username#Rationale. Our aim is to build a encyclopedia of all human knowledge. Censorship of content is not compatible with this goal. Restricting offensive usernames is, and in many cases is even furthering that goal by keeping off-topic conflict between editors to a minimum. --Stephan Schulz 23:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Back to the user at hand. Assuming he agrees to change names, what are his options? Would "Aryan ", possibly with the addition "in LA", be acceptable to everyone? Name not in all-caps, area code removed? Would WP:AGF (or the presumption of innocence) extend that far? Or will there now be suspicion of any username he proposes that still includes "Aryan"? How much wiggle-room will he be allowed? Is this a matter still to be discussed on his talk page, or should this go to an RFC? And will all this be explained to him on his talk page? -- Ben 23:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

AGF is not a suicide pact. This guy's had his fair share. If he's legitimate, he will not mind choosing a name that has no possible associations with Nazism. Drop it.--Doc 03:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Oden

On User talk:Oden, he links to being blocked and quotes "Ignorance prevails, when good men fail to act." I consider this an attack on me. He has questioned by integrity as an admin on my talk page and has threatened to de-sysop me for blocking him on the grounds of WP:3RR. I ask it to be removed but won't do it myself because of the obvious conflict of interest. Instead of continuing discussion, his recourse is to leave and leave behind an attack on me. Cburnett 19:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you are overly sensitive. As far as I can tell, Oden is an experienced and valuable editor with 8000 or so edits, and no previous history of trouble. I don't know if your block was necessary at all - it looks fairly borderline to me, and a warning might have been enough. Anyways, if you plan to go on enforcing WP:3RR, you need a much thicker skin! I don't see this as a serious attack. --Stephan Schulz 20:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

But an attack nonetheless. More of a cheap shot than a serious attack (contrary to what you're implying, I don't need a therapist :) but is there a reason it must stand therefore be tolerated? Cburnett 21:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and boldly removed the template from his usertalk page and asked that he not add it back. I don't necessarily consider this a personal attack but it isn't helpful. WP:AGF though, he's just venting. I've also asked that he reconsider his retirement because all things considered he does alot of valuable work around here.--Isotope23 21:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone considered that the user may feel sincerely hurt for having been blocked in what he sees as an unfair way? As Stephan Schulz pointed above, he is a longstanding user and had never been in troubles before. This is emphasised too by his "I'm leaving wikipedia" hatnote. Please note that I am not criticising your block here, merely pointing out that sometimes we need to put into somebody else's shoes to understand them. Regards, Asterion 21:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Like I said above, I think User:Oden was just venting with that template; from the looks of it he does feel he was wronged by that block. I'm not passing judgements on anyone here, but hopefully after everyone has a bit of time to let this pass the template can stay off and User:Oden will return to editing.--Isotope23 21:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't and don't want him to leave. Frankly, I was surprised, nigh shocked, that he threw in his hat. Overall, his block lasted 2.5 hours and was removed by Alex when Oden agreed to not edit the article he, IMO, edit warred over. I stated on Oden's talk page that I didn't have a problem with it and I had no hard feelings. Oden further went on a stalking spree against me, my user page, and images I've uploaded (even put one up for speedy deletion on commons without notifying me). To me, he was stalking/attacking me and the quote on his user page was the cherry on top. Cburnett 21:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, most people who threaten to leave don't go through with it, if we're going to be realistic. I've reviewed Oden's behavior towards CBurnett, and find it appalling. This edit is an example of alarmingly poor judgment. What worries me most is that the calm tone seems to suggest Oden thinks it's a normal or acceptable way to behave. His unblocker, Alex Bakharev, has now properly re-blocked him for violation of WP:STALK. Bishonen | talk 22:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Just for the record, I do not condone that kind of behaviour. Oden should take a wikibreak and come back afresh. Asterion 22:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Conduct of User:BobWilson

Please see this. Apparently User:Jaybregman left him a message requesting that he stop antics on Ecourier, and he responded with that message on jay's userpage. Also there is a note on User_talk:Jaybregman where someone is accusing him of a personal attack. Could a sysop look into this, please? Geo. 20:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been referred to posting here by an advocate who I went to for some troubles with user User:Bob Wilson.

First, this user flagrantly defaced the ECourier page (the deletion is an issue being dealt with separately and not relevant here). I wrote a message on his talk page outlining the edits (e.g. replacing the corporate link with a link to Micky Mouse, changing Release 1.0 to "Release the balls" etc. Now, some time later, I have received the following threatening personal attack:

Well, looks like I won after all, you self promoting loser.

You had the nerve to send me a patronising message, who the hell do you think you are?

A moral victory for the Wilson.

I am asking for admin help to address his conduct and prevent further attacks / defacement. Thank you.Jaybregman 23:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

This user was blocked two days ago. Just to throw my two cents in, you're making quite a big deal for an account with one (1) edit that took place over one month ago. —bbatsell ¿? 23:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Thank you for this. But I respecfully disagree with your comment. First, although the edit may have happened at that time, I've been on holiday and have only just seen it. Second, I think any personal attack is serious, isn't it? I realise more experienced users or admins may encounter these issues all the time, but for those who don't it's quite shocking to see ad hominem attacks on their talk page. It doesn't exactly make you want to spend more time with this community. I am thankful you were able to deal with this so quickly and efficiently and that there are procedures in place to do so.Jaybregman 23:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Biggerdog

Biggerdog is adding a template they have created to numerous articles . One Night In Hackney 21:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Template needs to be deleted ASAP - it encourages editors to perform vandalism on articles. The editor needs an immediate ban as well. --Larry laptop 21:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deleted. We can wait to see if the new User wants to make some valid edits, we can hold off on blocking for the nonce. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

While I'm aware of the context "for the nonce" some of our younger UK readers might not be and might think you are calling him a pedophile. A phrase to be careful with in general usage! --Larry laptop 21:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I just learned something today... when did ME for "single occasion" become slang for "sex offender"? You wacky Brits :)--Isotope23 21:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

See here --Larry laptop 21:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL, I never saw that meaning before now.  :) User:Zoe|(talk) 22:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Peculiar sense of humour, it has to be said... Asterion 21:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Zoe, these say no.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Surprise, me, always accused of newbie-biting, am willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt and one more chance.  :) User:Zoe|(talk) 22:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Aww, now I'm curious, what did I miss? Was it BJAODN-worthy? —Dgies 21:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It basically got stuck onto articles and said "This article is so bad it should be vandalized". User:Zoe|(talk) 22:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Exetel vandal

After this discussion here a couple of days ago I kind of hoped this vandal editing from 220.233/16 might have been stopped, but he came back straight away from a different IP address. I posted this morning after reverting a bunch of his edits and again, I've received no response since then. He has now started editing this evening from 220.233.227.249 - I wonder if something like a soft block on that IP range might be called for in this case. I do hope I'm not going to have to explode all over AN/I again to get him blocked, it was most undignified. Anyone? :/ Vashti 22:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I have, again, been refused a block at WP:AIV. Since my last 200 edits are nothing but dealing with this one vandal, perhaps someone could at least offer me a response? Vashti 22:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• 22:29, 15 January 2007 Josiah Rowe (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "220.233.227.249 (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (IP-hopping, persistent vandalism (see discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Third_time_lucky.3F__Is_anyone_going_to_block_this_vandal_or_not.3F))

Indef of an IP address seems inappropriate to me... but either way, it's taken care of. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 22:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. What should I do when he changes his IP address overnight and continues to vandalise? Vashti 00:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Uploads by Oliverhenriquez (talk · contribs)

Oliverhenriquez (talk · contribs) uploads all kinds of images and tags them as either PD-self or GFDL-self. Many are obvious copyvios, such as this postcard (see the upload log). The user has been warned, but seems to ignore the warnings.

I suggest that all of his uploads are deleted, as he can not be trusted. I also recommend a strong warning (i.e. he will be blocked if it continues) Kjetil_r 22:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A few of the more obvious ones have been reported to WP:PUI. There's just too many to go through, and a sweeping delete may be needed if even a few are found to be copyvios, deeming the user to be a blatant copyright vio. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 00:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Legal order to blank Sex.com?

I just blocked 201.170.43.81 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) for replacing Sex.com with the following text:

Deleted due a legal action in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California, Case number 98-2017 JW') Any additions added will result in a ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE RE CONTEMPT. For verification the case is currently before the Honorable James Ware, United States District Court Judge. Telephone number to his clerk is: <snipped>. A court subpoena has been issued for a current list of anyone who has added information here in violation of the court orders.

It's a legal threat, with page blanking. Still, it seems sort of serious (hence why I'm posting it here). He posted on User talk:AzaToth with the following message: Regarding sex.com the following message has been approved by the United States District Court. If you have questions, call the court. Any further attempt to change the web page will result in an order to show cause re: contempt.

What do you think guys? Legitimate legal concern or ridiculous prank? alphachimp 23:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Prank - unless they plan to stop newspapers talking about the site. --Larry laptop 23:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

If a court really decided that, you'd think, if it's a legit court, they would call Jimbo's office. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 23:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and they probably would not use an IP registered in Mexico. (N Californa court, not S). Prodego 23:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflicted) Precisely. Some court staff could be naive...hence the concern. Coincidentally, I sincerely doubt that any US Court would be editing from Mexico City :). alphachimp 23:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

There has indeed been extensive litigation over the sex.com domain name before Judge Ware, as is discussed in the sex.com article itself. However, the claim that the court would enter an order barring any information being posted to an independent website is frivolous, and the claim that it would be contempt of court for a non-party to the proceeding to violate an order as to which it lacked notice and an opportunity to heard is inconsistent with governing precedent. To me, it looks like the goal of the poster may have been to harass the Court with a deluge of phone calls to the number provided, and I suggest that the edit be deleted. Newyorkbrad 23:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses. I'm not as sure about deleting the revisions (are clerk #s typically private?). I'd think they'd show up in court documents. alphachimp 00:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That phone number is the main number for the United States District Court for the Northern District of California, San Jose Division. It's not a private number, but I'm sure the court staff have better things to do than answer random questions about whether users can post to the Misplaced Pages article on sex.com or not. I suppose deleting the edit isn't that big a deal if it's it's just a one-off. Newyorkbrad 00:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted the revisions. No point in allowing anyone to use Misplaced Pages as a vehicle for harassment. alphachimp 00:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Block 64.229.92.172

He received a final warning from Diez2 earlier today, and I just reverted some more of his vandalism. As you can see from his contributions page, it looks like he's done a lot of vandalism over the last two days. Mithras6 23:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've issued a 31 hour block. This guy wasn't trying to improve the encyclopedia. -GTBacchus 23:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to say, this whole idea of issuing warnings for the removal of warnings is just crap. We've got a dynamic IP here, and quite possibly someone getting caught by someone else's block. The guy doesn't need his own legitimate complaints deleted from his talk page to be replaced with an officious template-turd about not removing warnings. Why does that template even exist? -GTBacchus 00:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

What a good question. The chief function of the template seems to be to deceive the inexperienced into thinking that removing warnings is a wikicrime, and to go harass users based on that false belief. GTBacchus, how about you put it up for deletion? I'd do it, if I didn't suffer from deletophobia, or fear of deletion procedures. Bishonen | talk 01:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism of the "Embarrassment" page

The page listed below has been vandalised:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Embarrassment

I don't see any particular vandalism on that page, but then again, I skimmed it. Anyway, if you see someone vandalizing a page, click "History" at the top of the page. Then look for the edit in which the vandalism occurred. You do this by checking the little radio button next to two seperate edits, and it will show you what changed between them. When you find the earliest "good" version, click on its title in the history list and hit "edit". For your revert summary, type "rvv" or "revert vandalism" and mark the edit as minor. Then hit save.

Alternatively, if it's just a small bit of vandalism, you can hit "Edit this Page" and delete the vandalism manually. Hope that helps. .V. (talk) 00:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Art Dominique (talk · contribs) sockpuppets are now vandalizing my talk page

Please block this latest Art Dominique sockpuppet PN.P. p (talk · contribs). Earlier, I reported an AD sock . Now, the same person is back with a new sock, vandalizing my talk page with fraudulent warnings , and . These were both reverted by the admin Physicq210.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Please block this latest puppet, and I recommend adding Art Dominique to the list of banned users per Petri Krohn's request above.

Additionally, here are two more Art Dominique socks. Please review and block them as well if you agree they are indeed socks.

• R.T. Merck (talk · contribs) (note that the only contribution is a cut and paste of an Art Dominique rant
• New York, NY (talk · contribs) (same thing) .

Thank you for acting quickly on this. TheQuandry 00:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Stalking...

In case anyone didn't know, anyone having a name close to or claiming to be Trip the Light Fantastic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) or Monkeybreath (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), please block on sight. Or anyone claiming to be taking revenge on me ect. FYI, the first guy I blocked for a week for blatent copyvio on 24 (season 6) which related to adding episode summaries for yet unaired episodes (which were downloaded illegally on bittorrent). The second one came to the aid of the first (very randomly). So far, mostly attaking me, pretending to be others, stalking me on meta and on books. The second one is definatly the first one from the message on Books. IPs used so far include User:88.104.242.163 (blocked as OP), User:88.104.253.134, User:201.120.128.203 (blocked as OP), User:172.147.110.5 (AOL), and User:65.95.157.2 (who also went after Coemgenus). It almost seems more worth it to keep my userpage/talk page unprotected for now and catch as many OP's as possible. So, if some people could just keep that watched for now, hopefully he'll get tired and go away. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 00:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Mine as well keep everyone updated: Monkeebreath (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 03:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ernham testing the community patience

Ernham (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a user who appears to be editing from a strongly nationalist German viewpoint, and has edited tendentiously in the past, most notably on bios of German sportspeople, most notably Michael Schumacher. A look at the block log shows that he has five 3RR violations, four directly on Michael Schumacher and another on 2006 Formula One season, in all cases repeatedly removing negative information about Schumacher's driving tactics. In the October 30 set of reverts, he actually reverts 9 times , repeatedly claiming endless reverts as vandalism. He also has a history of being repeatedly rude and incivil (blocked twice), calling editors and edits with different viewpoints. Editors identified by Ernham as vandals include Mark83 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), Jpgordon (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) and Blnguyen (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), with additional evidence and examples appearing in more detail at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Ernham and User_talk:Ernham). Whilst under block, he was also further blocked for threatening to inciting legal action, claiming that he would report Misplaced Pages to Schumacher's management. He has also gone round and round at Steffi Graf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), against pushing a strongly pro-German POV. Other disturbing examples include an edit to Miroslav Klose and another to Lukas Podolski, the two strikers in the German national football team, who happen to have Polish heritage, where Ernham deletes info of their Polish bloodline and also blanking a section in David Hilbert, about his university's mathematics faculty being decimated by the Nazi expulsion of Jewish faculty. Ernham also seems to have caused a stir with his participation to various articles about racial groups and IQ, but perhaps others could make a more informed comment about this. At the moment, I feel Ernham should at least be banned from editing Formula One articles, if he has not already totally exhausted community patience. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Where's the diff for that legal threat you say he made? Durova 03:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Here . Konstable gave him an extra three days last time. There was a previous discussion on ANI about him as well. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Even more Primetime

I did a little browsing of Primetime (talk · contribs)'s back catalog, and lo, more stuff, namely re-creating the copyright violation that is Reinhard Sorge by Udht (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) -- the violation which got him busted in the first place -- and into John Abbey by Anfvh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). (Their last edits were in October, unfortunately, so Checkuser presumably wouldn't work.) Looking over the list of copyright violations from his user page, all the links which I recall being red are now blue: perhaps an admin can compare the new articles and additions with the deleted copyvios:

• Bernardo Davanzati (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Jean Coralli (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Salvatore Quasimodo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Ramón Menéndez Pidal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Sergio Marchionne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Wilhelm His, Sr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Pascual Ortiz Rubio (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Paolo Fresco (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Anastasio Bustamante (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Retentivity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Ebira (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Manuel Gómez Pedraza (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

--Calton | Talk 02:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiStalked by Ronz and fyslee (who works with Stephen Barrett)

Please help me. These editors are a team to bully me and others off of Misplaced Pages. I edit only in good faith. I have been attempting to edit for several months and continually and immediately get reverted by fyslee and ronz . fyslee claims he is an "attack" when I discuss his work with Stephen Barrett, however, he himself advertises the fact of his years with Barrett. fyslee treats Misplaced Pages like the Healthfraud List where he is assistant listmaster to Stephen Barrett and they censor anyone who won't march to their drummer. When fyslee first set up his QuackFiles on Misplaced Pages, he posted links showing that it was his 'responsibility' to post on Misplaced Pages, as well as run the Skeptic and Quack Webrings. Here is the link where he writes about this, If you read these, which fyslee posted himself on Misplaced Pages

It looks like you're asking someone to paddle off on a fishing expedition. The three links go to two offwiki sites and one 59kb archive talk page without much specific indication of where and what to search for, yet the accusations against a couple of editors are very serious. WP:RFC may be the place to take this because, from the quick browse I gave things, this looks like a mostly civil content dispute between allopathic medicine and alternative medicine proponents. I won't comment on the content dispute, but if you build a more serious case for policy violations with specific page diffs I'll look into that. Durova 03:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me. Here is the exact link where fyslee advertises his responsibilities on Misplaced Pages and on the Healthfraud List. He treats Misplaced Pages the same as he treats the Healthfraud List where he has been a censor for Barrett for several years. Fyslee brought his and Barrett's hatred of me to Misplaced Pages from my first edit here. He is used to being able to censor me and others who he disagrees with. When Barrett lost his suit to me, several of his teammates like fyslee have attempted to change history and one way is by reverting my edits. I will get the diffs where he reverted factual, verified information such as Barrett's NCAHF's suspension, and replaced it with his lies. Thank you very much. Ilena 03:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

See AN Jan 5 for some history. --Ronz 03:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As for my behavior, I have recently been trying to help Ilena out of the problems that she gets herself in, after being very impressed with her attempts to change her behavior here after AN Dec 26. Sometimes she attacks me for this. I'm happy to explain any of my edits, why I did them, and what if anything I'd do differently today. As long as Ilena cannot understand nor follow even basic Wiki policy, she will always be causing problems here. --Ronz 03:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

With all respect due you, Ronz, your "help" reminds me of my ancestors being "helped" to the ovens for their own good. You repeatedly reverted verified facts regarding the NCAHF having no apparent legal status and replaced it with nonsense and distraction. It took months to get the facts in that article because of you and fyslee. Every time fyslee links to Barrett, this is the same as linking to his own quackery blogs and webrings filled with Barrett propaganda against me and others they are suing or have lost to. fyslee is the ringmaster for all of Barrett's websites and everyone is linked to him and his vanity sites.. My edits are made in good faith. I am very, very, very familiar with fyslee and your techniques. I spent 6 years defending myself against Barrett and his team in the courts and now on Misplaced Pages. The more Barrett lost in court, the more fyslee advertised his losing viewpoint on his blogs and webrings. You misrepresent the facts again. Ilena 04:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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