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Quarter Million Award for Dementia with Lewy bodies

	The Quarter Million Award
	For your contributions to bring Dementia with Lewy bodies (estimated annual readership: 392,000) to Featured Article status, I hereby present you the Quarter Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Misplaced Pages's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Reidgreg, thanks very much. -- Colin° 14:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

	The Million Award
	For your contributions to bring Ketogenic diet (estimated annual readership: 2,400,000) to Featured Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Misplaced Pages's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's this one as well, and added to the Million Award Hall of Fame. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Old Royal Naval College

An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Old Royal Naval College 2017-08-06.jpg, was nominated on Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust 01:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

List

What to do with a mess like List of figures in psychiatry ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Sandy I looked at it, and then I looked at about 20 other "List of ___" pages, and only found one that had even a few citations. It seems generally these are all unsourced. Referenced lists of people are hard work, so unless you particularly want a great list of figures in psychiatry, I'd be tempted to just leave alone. -- Colin° 10:35, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Scope of publishing your Misplaced Pages article in academic journals

You have done a overwhelming lot of work on the article Ketogenic diet. The article is within the scope of WikiProject Epilepsy and as the Editor in Chief of the ILAE Misplaced Pages Project I welcome you to join the project. I also welcome you to co-publish this Misplaced Pages article in some open access academic journal. This would automatically acknowledge your contributions by providing you with author credits. If you are interested, do not hesitate to reach out to me and we can get working on it. Diptanshu 💬 09:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Diptanshu Das. I've applied to join the ILAE project. I'm not sure where I fit into your levels of editors, though, which seems a bit restrictive. My opinion about Misplaced Pages has always been that it is a community project, open to anyone, to write a free-content encyclopaedia. So currently I'm not bothered about achieving academic credits, particularly when I know how much support I've received from other editors who would not be credited. I hope the primary focus of this project is to write great Misplaced Pages articles, for the general reader, rather than to write journal papers for other medics. Thanks for the invite. -- Colin° 11:16, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your response. I understand that you are not very active currently but still would encourage you to carry on the good work that you have been doing. I have been a Wikipedian for more than 12 years and have been editing medical articles due to the sheer charm of it and not for academic credits. The purpose of my involvement in the current role remains just the same and I seek to gain from your commitment and experience, especially because of its inclination to epilepsy. I would seek your assistance in shaping the project. The purpose with which I am working is to bring academicians to Misplaced Pages and to infuse the spirit of Misplaced Pages into them. Meanwhile, the articles within the scope of the project would get developed.

The article Ketogenic diet already is a featured article. I plan to expose it to the ILAE experts for their take on the topic. I am quite certain that they would be satisfied but possibly they would have a few inputs. I would join hands with you in making updates, if they are needed.

I would urge you to have a look at the plan I have developed and would seek your feedback on the same. If you are willing, I would like to connect off-wiki with you. You can write to me at das.diptanshu @ gmail . com - Diptanshu 💬 11:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Colin/PriceMistakes

A tag has been placed on User:Colin/PriceMistakes requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Misplaced Pages's goals. Please note that Misplaced Pages is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. --TheImaCow (talk • contribs) 16:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Mount Stuart House 2018-08-25.jpg scheduled for POTD

Hi Colin,

This is to let you know that the featured picture File:Mount Stuart House 2018-08-25.jpg, which you uploaded or nominated, has been selected as the English Misplaced Pages's picture of the day (POTD) for September 18, 2020. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2020-09-18. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Misplaced Pages talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Mount Stuart House is a country house built in the Gothic Revival style situated on the east coast of the Isle of Bute, Scotland. It is the ancestral home of the Marquesses of Bute. The original house was constructed by Alexander McGill in 1719, but was redesigned by Sir Robert Rowand Anderson and rebuilt for the 3rd Marquess following a fire on 3 December 1877. It is built from reddish-brown stone; major features include the colonnaded Marble Hall at the centre of the main block, and the Marble Chapel with its elaborate spired tower. It was the first home in Scotland to be lit by electricity and claims to have been the first to have an indoor heated pool. Photograph credit: Colin Recently featured: Microorganism Graziella Macrotyloma uniflorum Archive More featured pictures

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WP:MED Newsletter - November 2020

Issue 6—November 2020

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Greetings. This month marks the return of the project's long-dormant collaboration of the month! With some luck and effort, perhaps we can keep it going. I hope you're all finding ways to remain sane during another tumultuous month. Ready or not, here is what's happening around the project:

News from around the site

• The WP:MED Collaboration of the Month returns for a trial run. We'll concentrate our efforts for November on Tonsillitis. Please help improve that article, and head to the planning page to nominate articles for future collaboration.
• An open contributor copyright investigation involves edits to ~50 medicine pages that need to be checked for copyright infringement. I've left some short instructions here for the uninitiated. Every little bit helps.

Discussions of interest

• Ongoing discussions consider redesigning the GA/FA icons and moving them to a more prominent place in articles.

For a list of ongoing discussions in WP:MED-tagged articles, see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Medicine/Discussions
Also, a reminder to see Article Alerts for a list of medicine-related AfDs, CfDs, merge discussions, and more!

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WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - December 2020

Issue 7—December 2020

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Hello. I hope this newsletter finds you well. For those struggling to focus on writing articles during these tumultuous times, you are not alone. For those stuck at home with more time and energy to dedicate to the encyclopedia, all the more power to you. There is – as always – lots to do. Here is what's happening around the project:

News from around the site

• As you can see, the medicine GA queue is full-to-bursting, with the oldest medicine nomination waiting over three months for review. Please help review when you have time, so your colleagues can move on to their next projects.
• The WP:MED Collaboration of the Month was Tonsillitis, attracting edits from 11 medicine editors! December's collaboration will be Dexamethasone. Head to Talk:Dexamethasone to coordinate our efforts.
• Thanks to the medicine editors who helped out, Misplaced Pages:Contributor copyright investigations/Walidou47 is now closed. If you see other medicine-related backlogs that you'd like announced in the newsletter, please post them here.

Discussions of interest

• There is a large, ongoing discussion regarding the status of subject-specific notability criteria.
• The Community Wishlist Survey is live until December 7th.

For a list of ongoing discussions in WP:MED-tagged articles, see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Medicine/Discussions
Also, a reminder to see Article Alerts for a list of medicine-related AfDs, CfDs, merge discussions, and more!

Backlog of the month
This month I'm trying out a new element of the newsletter – a backlog of the month. The WikiProject Medicine template is on the talk page of 44,944 articles, of which 18,111 have some kind of maintenance tag on them, indicating problems large or small. Each month, I'll highlight some small task to get you out of your normal editing focus and chip away at the project's massive maintenance backlogs. I'll aim for tasks that can be worked on in small chunks, perhaps on days when you can't focus on big problems, or have 15 minutes to burn at your computer.

The first backlog of the month will be the 410 medicine articles that cite no sources. These tend to be lower-traffic topics. Some just need verification that the topic actually exists, along with a quick reference. Others are best redirected to more substantial pages, or even brought to AfD. Feel free to scroll through the list for topics that interest you, or just start at the top. This feature will last as long as folks are interested enough to engage with it. If you see backlogs that would be a good fit, post them here. Thanks all, and happy referencing!

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Greetings of the season

I Am Half-Sick of Shadows, Said the Lady of Shalott		Happy holidays
		Dear Colin, For you and all your loved ones, "Let there be mercy". Wishing you health, peace and happiness this holiday season and in the coming year. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 vaccine

This edit was not helpful. Before you start criticising my actions in enforcing discretionary sanctions again, you need to get a grip on the history of the behavioural problems. You are not the judge of what sanctions are warranted and your interference will simply result in encouraging RoY to make biomedical claims without sufficient sourcing again. If you want to see them topic banned from medical articles, you're going the right way about it. They have already crossed a line far enough to attract discretionary sanctions, and your encouragement of their behaviour is equally reprehensible. Until you butted in, I was reasonably hopeful that RoY would take the time to read and understand MEDRS. If you really want to improve COVID-19 vaccine, rather than pursuing personal vendettas by sniping from the peanut gallery, then you should be spending your time cleaning up the article. There's enough cleanup required. --:RexxS (talk) 00:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

RexxS, your remarks "rather than pursuing personal vendettas", "sniping from the peanut gallery" and criticism of what volunteer editors are not doing enough of in their precious spare time, are all personal attacks. Repeating them yet again doesn't help you. Admins must be open to criticism, particularly so when performing or threatening to perform admin activity. Responding to criticism by personally attacking the criticising editor is unacceptable behaviour on Misplaced Pages. In recent weeks, I have been far from alone from asking you be less aggressive towards good-faith editors.

Could you perhaps take "just because I can, doesn't mean I should" to heart wrt your admin buttons and ability to threaten editors. You posted a request at WT:MED for editors there to review the situation at Covid-19 vaccine. I did review it and I did review that editors history which is only a handful of pages long. I saw a good-faith editor trying to improve Misplaced Pages and who was stumbling with the most common medical-newbie mistakes. I also saw them make the most common and human mistake when responding to being reverted by some random guy on the internet. As an admin, you are supposed to scare away the bad guys, not the newbies. Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers and all that. -- Colin° 10:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: COVID Vaccine Article

Hello, due to your balanced and neutral approach I was able to clearly make sense of the different requirements for bio-medical articles. However, the other chap just came across as angry and hostile leading me to believe his revert was for emotional reasons. Having read up on editing bio-medical articles I can now see his point, I just wish he’d come across less hostile, best regards.Roland Of Yew (talk) 09:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Roland Of Yew, thanks for editing Misplaced Pages. I appreciate your edit was in good-faith and used a source that for most of Misplaced Pages, including BLPs, would likely be regarded as reliable and accepted. WP:MEDRS can be confusing to begin with and take a while for some of the decisions that the community has agreed on to sink in. My own first edits on Misplaced Pages used sources I wouldn't use today. I know that being reverted stings, and when some random guy on the internet undoes your good work, it can seem like they are the vandal and the edit warrior. And that brings a big temptation to revert back rather than listen and pause. You chose the worse possible place on Misplaced Pages to do that, and as a result have earned a "final warning" on your talk page.

As much as I disagree with RexxS's approach, you need to take that warning seriously. I encourage you to remove the comment about "hypocritical editorial methodology" which could be taken as a personal attack. Removing it will also be taken as gesture of goodwill on your part. I had a look at some, but certainly not all, of the sources on that page that cited newspapers and such, and they mostly seemed to be sourcing text covering business facts or government actions, etc, and not requiring WP:MEDRS. If there are some text+source in the article you think should fail due to WP:MEDRS then please post a neutral comment on the article talk page, and they can be reviewed. You mentioned that you may have some "new reports" and "secondary sources" in the next few days. Can I encourage you, should you still want to edit Covid articles at all, to post your proposed edits on the talk page, and to listen to the feedback. If you are in doubt, post a query at WT:MED. With that final warning hanging over your neck, you need to take careful steps. -- Colin° 10:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker): Roland Of Yew, I'm sorry if my OTHERSTUFFEXISTS post also left you confused; one of the great problems of Misplaced Pages is that you can find junk in any article that no one has cleaned up, and then new-ish editors wonder why they are being taken to task. We can only deal with what we see when we see it, and I for one am hesitant to dig in to articles that have discretionary sanctions in place to do old cleanup, particularly when those articles are In The News (featured on the mainpage), and being hit with all kinds of WP:NOTNEWS edits. I agree with Colin that, with respect to laypress sources and COVID articles, it is important to take the discretionary sanctions very seriously, and be sure you understand when it is OK to use laypress, and when we should not. The COVID articles are rife with sources that are not compliant, and content that reflects WP:RECENTISM and breaches WP:NOTNEWS. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I really appreciate your advice and want to say that you truly do reflect the very best of Misplaced Pages.Roland Of Yew (talk) 16:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for edits re drug pricing

Would be great if you found the "culprit" and asked them to please cite properly. There are hundreds of such paragraphs on WP. I'm busy today. Thanks.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:29, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis there is an add-on for Chrome and Firefox called Who Wrote That?. It lets you see who wrote the content on the page and when it was added. It isn't perfect by a long way, and can get confused if page content is moved around. -- Colin° 18:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the link--Quisqualis (talk) 19:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for recommending Whowrotethat

I just ran it on the material you recently removed from Nabumetone. Wonder of wonders, it was User:Doc James who added that sentence. It would be nice if there were something like a Wikidata for drug prices that would, at least, tell users how various drugs' prices compare (as in low-mid-high-priced). In fact, it would be more than "nice"; it would be kind of vital.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:49, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis, drug prices have been discussed extensively by the medical project and it is really too complicated to simplify into low/mid/high prices, and our requirement to avoid original research gets in the way. Add to that the problem that volunteers just haven't kept the prices up to date for about six years. I think this is an area where commercial publishers already do a good job. If you are in the UK and interested to know how much a drug costs the NHS, then the BNF website gives you all the data you might need. In the US then GoodRX seems to be the best site for retail price figures. -- Colin° 17:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Good points. It clearly isn't in Misplaced Pages's ambit to create such a tool. Thanks.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - January 2021

Issue 8—January 2021

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

2020 is behind us at last. Off Misplaced Pages, the year has been trying. On Misplaced Pages, I hope you've found the time you spent here fulfilling and diverting. I've taken the opportunity to place a few end-of-year statistics for reflection below. If you think of any data that would be useful to find (or begin gathering) to gauge the project's success, please let me know. With that, here is what's happening around the project:

Year in Review
With 2020 now in the rear view mirror, a few numbers to give a sense of where our project is at: In 2020 we added a record number of medicine articles (i.e. articles with the WP:MED tag on their talk pages), starting the year with 41,243 and ending with 45,247. The ~4,000 new articles is well above the norm, presumably due to new covid-related articles. In terms of reviewed content, we added three featured articles (Dementia with Lewy bodies, Complete blood count, and Buruli ulcer), and lost three to the ravages of time, leaving our total at 66. We also added 42 newly reviewed good articles from 23 different nominators, bringing our total to 296. See a full list of reviewed content from 2020 here. Outside of reviewed content our contributions are more challenging to measure. I'm sure much our time was spent making small improvements, guiding new editors, removing junk from articles, and dealing with the raging global pandemic (on and off the site). I am interested in ways we can quantify and assess our project's progress going forward, so if anyone has ideas for other data we could find or collect, do let me know.

Other notes

• The WMF's Community Wishlist Survey has ended. Results are posted here.
• If you missed it, consider reading folks' thoughts on helping new editors at this recent WT:MED discussion.
• After a quieter month at the Collaboration of the Month (Dexamethasone), we'll be taking this month off. The COTM will return in February. Propose and vote on nominations here.
• Thanks to all who helped deal with last month's backlog, medicine articles that cite no sources. 28 down, 382 to go. We'll pick a new backlog next month. In the meantime, for any interested, I've posted an updated list of articles that lack sources here.

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Griddle scone

Do you ever make Griddle scones, or know anyone who does? We don't seem to have any pictures. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing, there are griddle scones on this plate (though I don't know whether that term would be used). Certainly the two triangular potato scones at the bottom would be made in a pan or on the hob. SarahSV 05:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

SarahSV, I've added the description from the thumb in the scone article, which I think is correct. A "tattie scone" is a potato scone. My mum has a girdle (griddle) that looks like this: heavy cast iron with a handle that rotates for storage. I always assumed they only worked well on a gas hob, but the photo there has an electric one. The heavy base distributes the heat, and the lack of any rim or lip round the edge makes it easier to get something under the scones to flip them. You can cook scones, bannocks, Scotch pancakes (also called dropped scones), and oatcakes. I guess the "griddle scone" is just term for a scone type of food cooked on top of a griddle rather than in an oven, so it is flatter than some other scones. In the photo, I'm not sure about the cheese scone, but the others would all have been cooked on a girdle. Unfortunately, I'm not likely to be visiting my mum any time soon, as she's 400 miles away and we are in lockdown.

Now I'm looking at that hot potato scone, covered in melted butter, and getting hungry. I wonder if I could make them with the Smash I bought to make your Slovenian potica recipe. I just have to figure out the proportion of potato flakes to flour. I don't have a gridle, though, only a frying pan. -- Colin° 11:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

It looks like there are a few recipes that use the flakes directly, such as https://www.imperialteagarden.com/pages/potato-scones and http://www.lauraleacooks.com/2011/03/potato-scones.html, but others use the already-rehydrated form.

Sarah, thanks for finding that photo. Would you like to put it in the article? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I was hungry and couldn't wait for the sun to move round to your bit of the planet. So I improvised with the very simple recipe here. It is really just mashed potatoes, flour and butter. In the end, I think I should have made the mash a bit drier as I ended up adding more flour and more potato flakes to thicken it. Even then, I needed plenty flour on my hands and board to stop it being sticky. But they turned out fine. My idea of a potato scone is something quite flat like this, but my wife thinks of something thicker, for which I think you'd need to add bicarb. The recipes you linked look just weird and wrong :-) But I'm sure they are tasty too. This is the problem: what people call a "scone" or "pancake" is so variable. We can even agree how to pronounce "scone", never mind bake it. Which makes it harder for Misplaced Pages 'cause we want to have hard facts and not randomness. -- Colin° 22:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Colin, your potato scones look great, but they need a bit of butter or similar. It's supposed to drip down your chin as you eat them. Or you can fry them to eat with a full breakfast. WhatamIdoing, I'll let you add it if you want. I was surprised not to find lots of potato scone photos. There are lots on Flickr but not free. SarahSV 05:27, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I was trying to be healthy yesterday. We had some leftover so today I reheated them with lots of melted butter along with a fried egg. Not such a healthy lunch today. To be honest, they reheat so well that there isn't an advantage to eating them freshly-made, unlike some other baked food. So if you can get them in your shops it is probably not worth making them yourself, unless you have lots of mashed potato to use up. A full cooked breakfast is usually something I only experience if staying at a B&B, where breakfast-quality is an important part of the selection process, and the aim is to get so stuffed you don't need lunch. -- Colin° 14:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I've added both pictures to Griddle scone and dug up a passable source for the name. Thank you both for making this improvement possible. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Deployment of COVID-19 vaccines

Hello, perhaps you will remember me...We met a few months ago, per some "MEDMOS issues". Perhaps you can help me. While reading Deployment of COVID-19 vaccines, under the Cold chain section, first paragraph, I found the following:

"The Moderna vaccine vials require storage above −40 °C (−40 °F) and between −25 and −15 °C (−13 and 5 °F). Once refrigerated, the Moderna vaccine can be kept between 2 and 8 °C (36 and 46 °F) for up to 30 days."

However, the reference is from 28 May 2014, and does not mention the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, although it does discuss the cold chain for vaccines in general. Is this a problem? I am accustomed to reading refs that specifically support the article text, but I do not have the education/ability to evaluate this situation. I could be wrong...Thanks for your time. Good to see you editing once again! Best, Tribe of Tiger 23:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Good spot. I had a look at the history. It seems a mistake was made when cut-n-paste text from one article to start this new article. I've left a post on the article talk page. I think it will probably be easier for the editors there to investigate their own mistake(s) than for me, especially as all these covid articles are huge. -- Colin° 11:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your good summary on the talkpage and for mentioning me, very kind of you. (I didn't think the Moderna vaccine had managed to time-travel back to 2014, heh, heh. But it was seriously worrying that this important info was un-referenced.) I had already discovered the cut and paste, by searching through Wikiblame. My understanding is that cut and paste is discouraged, because we lose the original/previous page history.

I don't have medical knowledge, but I could compare the pre move text/references (from the historical version of the parent article) with the present references, to see if there are additional errors. That's basic gnoming work. Should I offer my services, on the talkpage? Or can someone with knowledge of moves/merges or whatever "fix" the entire issue, without a tedious point by point comparison? Thanks again, for verifying my discovery. You have done "your part" admirably, by confirming and warning. Others can correct their own mistakes. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger 23:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Tribe of Tiger you don't need to get permission on the talk page to fix up mistakes. I thought I'd leave it to the original editor to fix because the article text is ok and only the ref got screwed up so no rush. And perhaps they will realise they made other mistakes. But if you want to fix it then I'm sure everyone would be happy. I'm not sure there is any way other than cut-n-paste to split an article. There are guidelines somewhere, about how to attribute properly in the edit summary, but there isn't any way to split the history of an article so that now two articles share a common history, say. -- Colin° 14:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Colin, I lacked "the courage of my convictions", so your support was much appreciated. Normally, I would not hesitate to fix reference mistakes, but this is a COVID-19 "medical" article. A reply by the original editor has been posted on the talkpage, and they have made changes in response to your post concerning my discovery. Thanks for explaining "splits ". I can move forward from here! Best wishes to you, Tribe of Tiger 02:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, after a bit of back and forth mistakes, and collegial talkpage conversation (between two other editors), the situation has been rectified. Thanks again for your support. Tribe of Tiger 02:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

DLB

You forgot one, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

You are too generous, Sandy. I don't think my contributions there rose above "helping" and "reviewing". -- Colin° 15:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, they did; you should add it. Your thoroughness brought it over the hump, and you were a co-nom. Don’t make me edit your user page ... there are plenty of admins itching for an excuse to block me. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:19, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Since when do they need an excuse? Kablammo (talk) 18:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Since, never. Considering the latest on my talk, not funny :( SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh dear. I am reminded of MastCell's advice: If you wrestle with a pig, both of you will get muddy. And the pig will enjoy it. Since none of that seems to be in the slightest concerned with writing an encyclopaedia, I suggest archiving and unwatching whatever other pages irritate you. -- Colin° 18:29, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

yes, well, instead of that ... heading out to emergency room now for a serious problem. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia, just left a post for Colin, and saw this note. Very concerned! Kindest wishes, Tribe of Tiger 00:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - February 2021

Issue 9—February 2021

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Happy February everyone. I hope the new year is starting to look better than the last one did. As always, if you have any ideas to improve the newsletter, please post them at the talkpage. Otherwise, here is what's happening around the project:

News from around the site

• Another discussion has closed, with consensus supporting continued use of the phrase "committed suicide" in articles.
• The Medicine Collaboration of the Month for February is Cirrhosis. Head to Talk:Cirrhosis to coordinate our efforts. You can nominate future collaborations at WP:MCOTM.
• This month's target maintenance backlog is "articles that need more wikilinks". Just 65 medicine pages have {{Underlinked}} on them, so hopefully we can clean them all up this month.
• Flyer22 Frozen, longtime and prolific editor on medicine and television/film topics, has died. You can read a brief reflection on her Misplaced Pages work here, and leave condolences at her talk page.

Discussions of interest

• Continued discussion on the role of subject-specific notability guidelines at Misplaced Pages talk:Notability.
• An ongoing effort to trim talk page banners has brought us a discussion regarding whether {{English variant notice}}s should be converted to editnotices.
• An ongoing discussion at WT:MED considers spinning out parts of the infobox for medicines/drugs into other templates.

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Advice sought

@Colin:, you were very helpful when I had issues editing the COVID-19 vaccine ] using my Roland Of Yew (talk · contribs) username and wondered if you might have any advice regarding resetting Misplaced Pages passwords? Somehow, my saved passwords list lost my Misplaced Pages password and I’ve tried and tried to reset my password; however, the reset links aren’t arriving via email even though I’ve checked the trash/junk bin and requested admin help. Best regards, :Inadvertent Consequences Inadvertent Consequences]] (talk) 12:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Inadvertent Consequences Sorry to hear this. I don't know any more than you about how to fix this, beyond looking at the help pages which I see you have already done. I see your old account page doesn't have "email this user", which your new one does, so perhaps you didn't setup an email. If you did, have you checked your junk or spam folder to see if your email software has put it there. If you can't fix it, then I guess you have to start over with the new account. I think it may be best to ask a friendly admin to block your old account to avoid anyone trying to hack it. If you did ever discover the password, then they would unblock it. Admins probably know more about this sort of thing than me. Hope you are well and keeping safe. -- Colin° 16:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@Colin: ah! I didn’t realise that I hadn’t an email associated with my old account and from everything I’ve read it looks like I’ll have to let that user page go, thanks once again! Inadvertent Consequences (talk) 16:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

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WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - March 2021

Issue 10—March 2021

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Here is what's happening around the project:

News from around the site

• There is an ongoing drive to review good article nominations through the month of March. Pick up a review if you have time. Instructions here.
• The Medicine Collaboration of the Month is on temporary (perhaps) hiatus. You can still nominate future candidates at WP:MCOTM.
• This month's target maintenance backlog is "articles with a dead link". Each typically takes around a minute to fix, so please hit one or two when you have a moment.
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Discussions of interest

• A large discussion is reconsidering deprecating the aliases for some citation template parameters.
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Ajpolino (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Readability scores

I'm contemplating MEDMOS and WP:MTAA, and I think that it might be helpful to have a separate essay on Readability tests. IMO the ideal content contains both why you shouldn't rely on them and also some advice about how to get some value out of them (e.g., checking that the sections or paragraphs you deliberately wrote at a simpler level don't score at a higher level). Do you think that you could write such a page? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I admit I have at times in the past year contemplated writing an essay. There is a history of using such tests on Misplaced Pages to "demonstrate" that the reading level of articles (or leads) has been "successfully" reduced. And we sometimes see simplistic advice ("use shorter sentences", "never use jargon", "use simpler words"). I read the short linked article but actually Readability has more on the tests, and is a rambling mess in itself! The final section says "experts warn: can be highly misleading" and has a bunch of citations to 60-year-old books (entire books, no chapters, or pages). How odd that for Misplaced Pages, "readability" is not about how readable some piece of writing is, but about algorithms to measure it and give it a number. Surely readability should should also include whether one gets pleasure or satisfaction rather than irritation or boredom, or successfully comprehends the topic or subject. I can't see how any algorithm (simplistic or AI) could do that.

Wrt the "get some value out of them", it would be odd for me to suggest such a thing as I've never once thought "I'll run a readability test on my revised prose to see if it really is easier to read", and never then gone "Oh, dear, it has scored higher" or even then "I must try again because the score says so". Have you? What readability scoring tool (website, computer software) do you use? Can you convert me?

We do seem, as humans, obsessed with reducing complex things down to numbers or even binary, and valuing algorithms over people. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative editing project. So wouldn't the best advice, for someone who has written or rewritten some prose, be to simply ask someone else to look at it? A fresh pair of eyes.

I wonder though if we are making a correlation/causation mistake. Yes, some editors have been focused on readability scores, even published papers about them, and added over-simplistic advice to our guidelines. But it wouldn't have been a significant problem if they were gifted writers, or who actively collaborated with others on their prose. If brilliant prose flowed out of their keyboards, or was the fruit of a wonderful collaboration, none of us would have minded a quaint obsession with algorithms from an age when doctors smoked. Maybe this is fighting yesterday's battle? -- Colin° 16:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes on "yesterday's battle". This set a lot of good work completely back, and that sort of editing originated from the same place as "yesterday". I don't think this is a MEDMOS issue, although it seemed to become one because of the group of proponents. (Colin, I pinged you about a Keto edit to Alzheimer's disease.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The link you give is recent. I agree the edit was not "brilliant prose". But what's the cause? Aiming to improve readability scoring? Bad advice? Lack of talent or ability? Lack of experience? -- Colin° 16:47, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Look at how this page was built, with advocacy goals from the beginning. View the "Objectives" (advocacy) which have remained constant since the Project's founding. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, save me from advocacy editing! And leads that nobody other than a translator would want to read. And readability score targets. *sigh*. The talk page history suggests the project is effectively dead, and the project advice is just one person's whacky ideas. -- Colin° 17:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Menstrual cycle

Hi Colin, I would appreciate any advice you might have on this issue . It's this "80%" claim (again). I have posted a paper there, which might help. Would it be for the best not to quote a percentage at all and just say "most"? Best regards. Graham Beards (talk) 09:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)