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| == Arbitrary nature of article == | |||
| Per the multiple issues tag I've added, this article (while it may be eligible for ] status) is extremely limited in its scope in discerning the broader aspects of the concept 'War Crime', the predominant interest being that of international law. | |||
| It also focusses on a few specific examples, employing the use of ] such as 'murdered', 'massacre' and other descriptors which have not cited ] for the use of the terminology. | |||
| Input by contributors has been sporadic and decidedly ] in selection of examples, a lack of transparency as to how certain examples have been selected above other pertinent examples, and there is no indication of the use of a tertiary source for the ] of "War crime". | |||
| While I consider the subject to be a significant one, the article in itself smacks of ] ]. I will also reiterate previous concerns regarding its being used as a ]. --] (]) 04:57, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Not sure what you mean ("limited in its scope in discerning the broader aspects of the concept 'War Crime', the predominant interest being that of international law"). I thought the "concept" as described in RS is pretty close to that in international law. In any event, you are welcome to contribute here. ] (]) 23:08, 3 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| == See also: Weapons of mass destruction == | |||
| Regarding with edit summary: "Article does not mention Weapons of mass destruction. Please explain at Talk:War crime how this relates, and allow consensus to form before including." {{ping|KalHolmann}} If you search for "biological", "chemical", and "atomic", you'll see that the article does in fact discuss weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't use the phrase "weapons of mass destruction" which make it hard to link to that overview article. That's why I added it to the "See also" section. The ] article has perhaps the best discussion of whether or not the use of WMD should be considered a war crime, but if someone wants to learn more about the status of WMD in the world today (and thus potential war criminals) then I thought being able to click over to ] is helpful for readers. Does that make sense? -- ] (]) 19:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Beland}} no, it does not make sense. The article's Definition section states, "In regard to the strategic bombing during World War II, it should be noticed that at the time, there was no international treaty or instrument protecting a civilian population specifically from attack by aircraft, therefore the aerial attacks on civilians were not officially war crimes." This article is about actual war crimes, not about what you call "potential war criminals," which would violate the policy ]. Your new link to ] is better because this article does specifically discuss mass killing. Please, let's not stray too far afield. ] (]) 20:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{ping|KalHolmann}} I don't think the addition of a "see also" link to ] is an example of Misplaced Pages making a prediction about the future; it's just a link to a related topic. And there's any number of reasons why readers might want more information on that related topic; my explanation above is just an example of one motivation which I happened to have myself while reading the article. Some uses of chemical and biological weapons ''have'' been prosecuted as war crimes, and this article does discuss them, so I'm not quite understanding the argument that they are unrelated? Did you want pointers to documentation of such incidents? -- ] (]) 20:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :::{{ping|Beland}} although this article contains internal links to ] and ], it mentions only one individual charged with war crimes for using chemical weapons (]) and none charged with war crimes for using biological weapons. Note that in defining ], Misplaced Pages includes not only chemical and biological, but also ], ], and other ]. Introducing a link to ] would misleadingly broaden the article's scope, falsely implying that war crimes have been proven in cases involving WMD other than chemical. I believe we should limit our "See also" links to what is strictly relevant to this article. Hopefully, other editors will weigh in and we can forge consensus. ] (]) 21:23, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ::::{{ping|KalHolmann}} Well, people have also been sentenced as war criminals for use of biological weapons; see ]. Some people think that the use of nuclear weapons on Japan was a war crime (on the grounds of disproportionate civilian casualties) that just hasn't been prosecuted because the using power was a global superpower. This article notes that those bombings and strategic bombings were never ruled war crimes, but it still mentions the controversy despite it not being taken up in an actual proceeding. Anyway, if we want to link to articles on aspects of WMD more closely related to war crimes (not a bad idea, given the length of the list here) perhaps we should be focusing on "the treaties that regulate weapons" the breaking of which during wartime would be considered war crimes, regardless of the treaties that some people argue apply to indiscriminate weapons of any type. In that case, ] might be a better choice. ] has a list of treaties which include those that apply to civilian-targeting weapons like land mines. Would those be better links in your view? -- ] (]) 23:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :::::{{ping|Beland}} subsection '''4.1 Country listings''' contains an internal link to ], which in turn links to ]. It may be that the editors who wrote this article were not unaware of Khabarovsk, yet considered it better dealt with elsewhere. I think that's a wise approach. Broadening our scope to encompass WMD and its various offshoots such as treaties risks losing the focus on war crimes. But again, we have clearly established our respective positions, and ought now to patiently await input from other editors. ] (]) 01:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I doubt there was ever a conscious decision not to mention that particular trial; it's certainly on-topic. I wasn't suggesting that it be included in the article, only offering it as a counter-example to dispel the idea that no one has ever been prosecuted for war crimes involving biological weapons. Though thinking about it, given that it's an unusually direct example specifically related to war crimes (not some part of WMD unrelated to war crimes), it should probably be mentioned in the article to avoid giving the impression that this sort of thing has never happened. -- ] (]) 03:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
| == I dont believe the subsection "Saudi Arabian-led Military Intervention in Yemen" (under the section "History") is relevat == | |||
| The content briefly discusses the humanitarian impact of the war in Yemen, but I do not believe it is relevant to the history of war crimes. If one wanted to keep this paragraph in that section, it should make mention of explicit war crimes that have been found by an appropriate war crimes court - all the other sections refer to courts and the war crimes that the courts found. Since there hasn't been such a court as far as I know (i could be wrong), I think that this section should be removed. Could somebody please chime in and advise? | |||
| ] (]) 01:19, 29 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
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