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"Trees of" categories

Hi, I share your sigh when editing Fagus grandifolia‎ over the "Trees of" distribution categories. There are two serious problems with this set of categories:

1. They are randomly incomplete, so a plant that is native to a number of regions ends up in "Flora of" some and "Trees of" others, which does not aid navigation. Yet they cannot be made to match the "Flora of" categories without creating many very small categories.
2. "Tree" has a fuzzy definition. We've had arguments over bananas, for example, which botanically are clearly not trees, but which are often called that in common use. Bamboos and tree ferns have also been problematic. Genera like Cornus contain herbaceous plants, shrubs and trees, and so get split up, making cross-checking difficult.

I'm not sure that there's anything that can be done now, but I note that the editors who created the "Trees of" categories don't appear to be members of WP:PLANTS and there's no evidence that any consensus was sought for their creation. So I join you in sighing. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:35, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

footnoteCleanup.js

Hi Erutuon, I tried using User:Erutuon/scripts/footnoteCleanup.js on Operation Giant Lance to no effect. Am I missing something or does the script not work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk • contribs) 08:33, August 9, 2020 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: Yep, I don't use it. I tried loading it and there's an error that makes it crash. Try User:Erutuon/scripts/cleanup.js; it has a button for moving footnotes after punctuation and I actually use it so it has a significant chance of working. — Eru·tuon 18:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

What else does the script do? I want to update Misplaced Pages:User scripts/List. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

It's a huge list of tasks that I've wanted to do automatically at some point, but I'd rather not have the script as a whole on the user script list, because that would commit me to some kind of guarantee that it works out-of-the-box, when I haven't been using it much lately and you can't just save the edit but have to look over the diff in case the script made any mistakes. It's a personal script really, and comes with no guarantees, though some of the buttons would probably be useful to others if they were split into a separate script. But you can figure out some of the tasks by looking at the addSummary function calls. — Eru·tuon 18:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Dental sounds in Old French

The symbols in the Old French phonology section do not represent the dental sounds; a dental fricative would be represented by /ð/ or /θ/, whilst /s/ is only indicative of an alveolar fricative.

Apologies for undoing your undoing of my edit by the way; I'm relatively new to editing Misplaced Pages and was not aware that you had added a note. 1tome2 (talk) 23:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Please disregard this message; I have realised I was incorrect, and I have undone my edit on the Old French section. My apologies; I will try to be more accurate in the future. 1tome2 (talk) 23:31, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@1tome2: Oh, okay. I had written a long reply so I'll just post it here in case it's interesting.

It's true that /θ/ and /ð/ are dental; however, /s/ and /z/ can represent dental sounds as well, though typically not the same sounds as standard English dental fricatives. See the notes to French phonology § Consonants and Italian phonology § Consonants for instance; /s/ and /z/ here represent dentalized laminal alveolar, which sounds quite different from English th. /s/ and /z/ are most likely to be used when the sound is sibilant (higher pitched, sharp), and /θ/ and /ð/ when it's fuzzier and lower-pitched. Maybe a dental /s/ or /z/ would usually be pronounced with the tongue near the base of the upper teeth, because, at least for me, making a sibilant on the tip of the upper teeth is a bit harder and doesn't come out as well. I don't know what evidence there is for the exact articulation of the Old French consonants, but maybe it's supposed to have been similar to Modern French dental /s/ and /z/. — Eru·tuon 23:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Module:Language/scripts

Hey, are you still interested in Module:Language/scripts and its sub-modules? Asking as they aren't used so wanted to get your input first. --Gonnym (talk) 10:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gonnym: No, it's fine with me if they're deleted. The Unicode script part of it is handled by Module:Unicode data now, and the Wiktionary script part (in Module:Language/scripts/data) doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages. — Eru·tuon 20:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, good to know! Would you mind tagging it with G7 just so it doesn't have to wait 7 days in TfD? --Gonnym (talk) 20:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gonnym: Done. At least, I marked the top level module and added a note that submodules should also be deleted. Let me know if I should put the template on every subpage as well. — Eru·tuon 21:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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Mount Kosciuszko

I know it's old, but way back in Dec 2015, you changed the pronunciation of Mt Kosciuszko from the correct, documented and cited /kɒziːˈɒskoʊ/ to the incorrect /kɒziːˈʌskoʊ/ with your reasoning being the speculative "I can't access Macquarie, but it's highly unlikely the u is pronounced /ɒ/ and not /ʌ/". It has taken five years for someone capable of accessing the Macquarie, reading the IPA and with the energy to care to restore this to the correct pronunciation (if you care about the statistics and the legibility of the IPA spellings, it only took seven months between someone adding a respelling with the incorrect pronunciation and someone trying to bring it in line with the community pronunciation). A lot can happen in five years, and you may now already have independently concluded that changing sourced material without accessing the source based on a hunch is not a reasonable action, but if it hasn't, please don't change sourced material without accessing the source based on a hunch. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mount_Kosciuszko&diff=697044792&oldid=696904709 2A02:8108:4CC0:14D4:3B63:5707:2D59:3D89 (talk) 22:20, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

No hard feelings 2A02:8108:4CC0:14D4:3B63:5707:2D59:3D89 (talk) 22:20, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting the article. It was an ill-considered edit on my part. I checked Forvo and can hear the -osko. — Eru·tuon 22:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I wouldn't have thought to use such tools in 2015 but a good resource today! 2A02:8108:4CC0:14D4:3B63:5707:2D59:3D89 (talk) 23:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Help:IPA/Latin

There's a disagreement between me and another user about the use of the Help:IPA/Latin key on the articles Manlia gens and Romulus. Thought you might perhaps be interested since you've contributed to that key in the past. Libhye (talk) 22:01, 20 March 2021 (UTC)