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== New Management ==

I came to this page to make clear that I am the current owner of <i>Encyclopedia Dramatica LLC</i> which is now registered in Nevada. I appreciate the efforts to keep this page updated and if anyone here needs to reach out or contact me I can be emailed via <b>aediot@encyclopediadramatica.wiki</b> with questions, updates or otherwise needed.

Thank you again to everyone involved with this page. - <b>æ admin</b> 08:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:According to the , encyclopediadamatica.wiki is due to make its debut in 24 hours time, but as of today it is still showing a placeholder page. Watch this space.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

*And it's back online as promised at encyclopediadamatica.wiki. To coin a cliché, reports of ED's death were an exaggeration.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:05, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

===December 2020===

Just came back to say that this page has been vandalized by an off-shoot group looking to change the domain listed here to .online when .wiki is still the active domain.

I'd request that this be changed back and the page be either locked or watched for future vandalization.

Thank you. - <b></b> 10:13, 2 December 2020 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I've been a bit confused over this too. The current version of this article says <nowiki>https://encyclopediadramatica.online</nowiki> in the infobox and there is a site up and running at this address, while <nowiki>https://encyclopediadramatica.xyz</nowiki> redirects to .online. Meanwhile, <nowiki>https://encyclopediadramatica.wiki</nowiki> says "Seems we ran into another snag. We have a few very well trained professionals developers working to resolve whatever the wiki is throwing a tantrum about, for updates on specifics you can check our . Current ETA: Roughly a week maybe less." So we are faced with the possibility of two rival sites both claiming to be the original and genuine version of the site. I'm not quite sure what to do for the best if this happens.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 23:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth I still own the LLC, and the current lawsuit ED is facing is towards my end because I'm recognized as the established wiki. We also have ourselves listed for the .wiki at https://www.reddit.com/r/encyclopediadramatica/ which all the mods there confirm on my end in addition to KnowYourMeme here: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/encyclopedia-dramatica

This second wiki came up because some of my moderators got hissy after I found one of them lying then tried to put up a version of the wiki without any of the user accounts (because they crawled it from wayback machine).

I plan to have the .wiki back up in some days but I have it down for maintenance, initially it was a database error but I'm having it rebuilt on the docker backend level because it's due for some fixing.

If you need any legal or otherwise ownership proof I can provide whatever you need, just lemme know.

Thanks in advance. - <b></b> 01:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Can we have reference for the domain change to .wiki in the "Succession of domains" section? Also, has someone reported in the news about the new corporate ownership? ] (]) 18:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

:I think it's simplest if we just list both. I don't think XYZ is actively pointing anywhere, and do we have any sources establishing notability of XYZ or ONLINE as we do for WIKI extension? ] (]) 05:53, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

::At the time of writing, the .wiki version says "Encyclopedia Dramatica is currently being restored by automated scripts. Content and images will return shortly", ''ie'' the .wiki version is still not back up yet. If it does return, there will be a problem with how to define the link if there are two rival versions.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

:::Running into a small issue where the wiki backup I own is actually so massive (since it's the complete one) that mediawiki is overloading the server trying to import it. I'll get this fixed relatively soon. The .online listed meanwhile only has content from 2015 or so and none of the images natively in the server. Unsure on why it's being listed next to mine. If a third version were to come up owned by someone else entirely different would it be listed here as well? Confused on the logic. I'm happy to provide whatever documents or otherwise is needed here to get this sorted. Don't really see a point in handling all the lawsuits while some completely unrecognized version gets to ride off my hard work considering they aren't even LLC'd. - <b></b> 15:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===February 2021===
Re : I have tried to avoid taking sides in this dispute, but the reality is that the .online version of the site is online and showing some content, while the .wiki version isn't. Even the .online version admits that a lot of the images and articles have gone missing due to the bumpy road with the site's hosting and management, but it is online (just about). It's hard to recommend the .wiki version if it isn't showing anything beyond a "we'll be back at some stage" message.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


The .wiki is online with all the original content + 3x the content the .online had at this point now with the statistics page being linked on the front page showing the numbers. In addition to which https://encyclopediadramaticaonline/ no longer resolves or works. Images are still being restored however mediawiki is importing them as fast as it's able. They seem to have set up at another domain now but it doesn't even have the full site title in its name. - <b></b> 19:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: is a screenshot of the current state of play at dot wiki. We're promised that "EDiting to re-open shortly" but there is no actual content at the moment. However, dot online seems to be completely down at the moment, so right now neither site is up and running. Watch this space.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 19:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Could one of the admins keep Jacob Stelmach from editing the page? ] 13:03 16 Febuary 2021

:] applies here, so anyone involved with the admin side of ED should avoid editing here, particularly if it involves going back and forth on the domain.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 19:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


== Can the site URL be updated to a live link or removed entirely? == == Can the site URL be updated to a live link or removed entirely? ==

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Can the site URL be updated to a live link or removed entirely?

I have partially overturned the Arbcom decision to totally ban links to ED. Now, I can safely start this discussion. If there is a URL to the main page in the infobox, it should either be a live link or removed entirely. A non-link URL only exists to incovenience the readers. The site contains a lot of horrible content, but Misplaced Pages is not censored. As it is quite easy to find the site URL, I recommend changing the URL to a live link. Please note I am not affiliated with ED in anyway. Thoughts? Steve M (talk) 19:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

It's difficult because there are now two rival versions. Also, the .wiki version is still showing a "we'll be back soon" message, while the .online version is unreliable and up and down like a yo-yo. It is down at the moment, so at the time of writing there is no version available. Things need time to settle down, but both sites need to up their game.--♦IanMacM♦ 07:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, the two versions of ED being dysfunctional shouldn't come into play, as it's not our concern if they're in ship shape; we just shouldn't have dead links. @Steve M: I'd be fine with either including the links or deleting them both, so long as we're not having a repeat of the discussions above, where we're getting involved with the dispute between the sites' administrators, over who has the better website. DÅRTHBØTTØ (T•C) 00:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Concerning the .online domain.

It has been moved to simply dramatica.online, we have managed to restore the pictures as it was simply an internal problem. The issue with the rivalry between each ED versions is that his ED is "Encyclopedia Dramatica LLC"'s ED. There is something to be known about Encyclopedia Dramatica is that Conrad Rockenhaus previously trademarked ED to prevent Zaiger from making money off of it.

EDIT: as for the .wiki domain, you should note that their recent changes are quite empty :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TabbyGarf (talk • contribs) 21:23, 10 March 2021 (UTC) Gladly Dramatica.online Admin, TabbyGarf.

TabbyGarf (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. As is the case with the administrator of the .wiki version, the state of the competing sites isn't in the equation, other than if either is a dead link. For now, we should keep both accounted for, without censoring either over the on-site inner-workings. DÅRTHBØTTØ (T•C) 22:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Dramatica trademark for .wiki

Hello,

Editing is now reopened on our site .wiki now that I have technical issues resolved.

In addition I have filed for the Encyclopedia Dramatica Trademark and it's official within databases.

See here for example: https://app.trademarkengine.com/trademark-detail/90606219

There were rumors of the last admin filing for the trademark before me however it apparently seems that because he's currently in prison they revoked it from him during the application process. - æ admin 03:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aediot (talk • contribs)

No I don't think so. Trademarks do not get "revoked" while in prison. Second, the Patent Office's search engine for trademarks are notoriously unreliable. Third, any trademark issued to you would be unenforceable as a matter of law, nobody owns ED. The site was created while you were still in grade school, putting January 2004 as your first use is a joke. Dramatica.online (talk) 21:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
@Aediot, Dramatica.online, and Bears2077: None of what has been written here has any impact on the content of this page. The only way this may affect this page is if this claimed dispute were to result in one of the two instances of the page being shut down. Until then, we list both the live instances of Encyclopedia Dramatica. All of you are deeply engaged in a conflict of interest and need to stand down from contributing to this page. DÅRTHBØTTØ (T•C) 22:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
@DarthBotto: This page has a lot of bad info on it with few citations, and did not adequately represent the .online fork or even the correct domain nor "owners". I supplied citations from the forum, which shows the reasons for the fork and correct date (Nov 2020, not Dec). It's disappointing that these are labeled not valid sources. I see you fixed the content box with the correct domain. I can at least live with that. No other edits are necessary. Bears2077 (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
@Psiĥedelisto: Don't you think it's a bad idea to rely on first-party sources for the .wiki version? The reason the .online sources were removed was because they were unreliable first-party ones, as well. So, with the exception of the business filing (that sounds like it is being contested), these two current versions seem to be on equally unreliable ground. DÅRTHBØTTØ (T•C) 19:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@DarthBotto: I added quite a lot to the page, not just this. I read the existing sources (Stryker) and added more from them, as well as adding new sources (Mitchell). My primary interest in editing the page is the history I added, I just wanted to clean up the current state while here. If the consensus is that there aren't enough sources for either .wiki or .online, that's fine with me. I see that both admins are on this talk page trying to sway us, and I didn't read the talk page before making my edits so I wasn't thinking about that. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 06:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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