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| We will hear about this later on. It was 1166 BC when the Sicambrians, now called Franks, crossed the sea with many ships. They wanted to go to Britain to conquer that country. They got off course because of the wind, so that they were heading for the coast of Zeeland. When the Slavs learned of this, they sailed to sea with a number of ships to fight against the Sicambrians. They robbed them and killed a lot of the men. They kept all their ships and returned to Slavenburg, the place where Vlaardingen is approximately. However, the old town of Vlaardingen is now further in the Meuse, and these people, the Slavs, sought their food at sea and in the forest. They had many children, who went to live scattered. A large part went to live above the Maas, which is now called South Holland, while the others moved to Zeeland, which was then a large uninhabited island. They lived off fishing and sea raids. That is why these people are called Zeelanders. Those who already lived in South Holland were called the ... <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | We will hear about this later on. It was 1166 BC when the Sicambrians, now called Franks, crossed the sea with many ships. They wanted to go to Britain to conquer that country. They got off course because of the wind, so that they were heading for the coast of Zeeland. When the Slavs learned of this, they sailed to sea with a number of ships to fight against the Sicambrians. They robbed them and killed a lot of the men. They kept all their ships and returned to Slavenburg, the place where Vlaardingen is approximately. However, the old town of Vlaardingen is now further in the Meuse, and these people, the Slavs, sought their food at sea and in the forest. They had many children, who went to live scattered. A large part went to live above the Maas, which is now called South Holland, while the others moved to Zeeland, which was then a large uninhabited island. They lived off fishing and sea raids. That is why these people are called Zeelanders. Those who already lived in South Holland were called the ... <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
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Dutch Misplaced Pages
I like the way they do it on Dutch Misplaced Pages, with all the pictures lining up and being of the right size so you don't have to squint. nl:Qing-dynastie.
By the way, any idea why this man has two last names with "Van" attached?
- Van Walt Van Praag, Michael C. (1987), The Status of Tibet: History, Rights, And Prospects in International Law, Avalon Publishing, ISBN 978-0-8133-0394-9
-- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kautilya3: aristocracy, maybe, from Germany. Walt may mean forest, as in Schwarzwalt; Praag is Prague. Or it is simply a combination of two surnames, with the same references: from the woods, and from Prague. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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My point diff was in covering Brahmanism at the third paragraph. Preferably, using boldface for the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrangaBellam (talk • contribs) 12:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- @TrangaBellam: yes, I see your point. But, the sentence also introduces the second and third paragraph: the second paragraph treats Vedism, the third paragraph Brahmanism. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
on Svetlana Zharnikova's theory
https://2lib.org/g/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%96%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.122.141 (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
citation from
В одной из книг Махабхараты говорится о Варанаси как о городе в области Видеха. Но эпическая страна Видеха со столицей Митхилой располагалась в краю семи устьев Ганги (Волги) и тысячи лотосовых озер и как считали санскритские комментаторы никакого отношения к царству Каши не имела. (Кстати и сейчас в дельте Волги растет множество лотосов, а в 5-6 тысяч лет назад уровень Каспийского моря был ниже современного на 20 метров и делта Волги смыкалась с дельтами Терека и Урала в один огромный озерный край). Это кажущееся противоречие объясняется просто. У Воронежа в Дон впадает река Ведуга, по имени которой, судя по всему, и была названа область Видеха. Рядом с городом Варанаси, как свидетельствует Махабхарата, был расположен город Хастин, ставший столицей арьев после битвы на Курукшетре (Курском поле) в 3102 году до нашей эры. И что же? Рядом с Воронежем расположено село Костенки (в 17 в — город), знаменитое своими археологическими памятниками, древнейшие из которых относятся к 30 тыс. до н. э. Культурные слои этого селения идут из глубокой древности до наших дней без перерыва, что свидетельствует о приемственности культуры и населения. Так что, мы думаем, можно утверждать, что Воронеж и Варанаси, как Костенки и Хасти — одно и тоже. На реке Воронеж находится и другой крупный город юга России — Липецк. Этого названия нет в Махабхарате. Зато есть город Матхура (Матура), также один из семи священных городов древних арьев. Он распологался на Курукшетре (Курском поле) к востоку от Ямуны (Оки). Но и сейчас в реку Воронеж у Липецка впадает река Матыра. Эпос говорит о том, что для захвата города Матуры Кришне необходимо было вначале овладеть пятью возвышенностями в его окрестностях. Но и сегодня, как и много тысяч лет тому назад, пять холмов к северу от Липецка продолжают господствовать над долиной. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mammooth (talk • contribs) 07:24, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
In the fourth volume of her work, S. Zharnikova correlates Harappa in the Indus Valley with a toponym from the Slavic epic: «Веда славян (Обрядные песни языческого времени, сохранившиеся в устном предании у македонцев и фракийских болгар-помаковъ)». Собранные и изданные Стефаном Ил. Берковичем в 1875-76 гг. Во втором томе, опубликованном в С.-Петербурге в 1881 г., Хараппе посвящено несколько песен. Отметим, что руины Хараппы открыты Р. Сахни в 1921 г. Современные интерпретаторы песен ищут Харапскую землю в Албании, у Скифов или в Аравии. Хотя в песнях Юды идут в Харпска-град с Дунава, но идут они далеко на Край-земли у моря, что может более относиться к Хараппе, чем к Албании, тем более при наличии в Харапской земле трех королевств.
Another "Myth"
The term "Slavs" could be used by medieval chroniclers as a synonym for the modern "Indo-Europeans". And authors like Cornelius Aurelius were professional falsifiers of the history of the origin of the peoples of Europe.
This is what Olga Semyonova-Rotterdam discovered: “The Dutch chronicle of 1620: “In the year after the birth of our Lord in 370 or so, the Wilts, who are now the founders; and the Slavs, they are now the Dutch; and Neder-Sassen, who are now Frisians, gathered and exchanged people and formed a very large people and moved up the Rhine in ships” ... --> The Dutch are the Slavs! The Slavs have lived in the Lower Lands from time immemorial. They lived and built their cities here”.
Dutch < "Wilti" < (Early) Slavs < * "Indo-Europeans".
1. «Beschrijvinge der stad Rotterdam, en eenige omleggende dorpen, verdeeld in 3 boeken». Door Geraard van Spaan. De tweede druk. Te Rotterdam, 1713. Pag. 24-25. Источник: https://books.google.ru/books?id=a-lWAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Beschrijvinge+der+stad+Rotterdam,+en+eenige+omleggende+dorpen,+verdeeld+in+3+boeken&hl=ru&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju1ombjZnwAhVuo4sKHbGTB44Q6AEwAnoECAQQAg 2. «Отечественная история» Ян Вагенар, 1749 (Источник: «Vaderlandsche historie. Deel 1» (1749), Jan Wagenaar» https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/wage004vade01_01/colofon.php) 3. Gerard Van Loon «Beschryving der aloude regeeringwyze van Holland», Volumes 1-2, By Pieter vander Eyk, 1744 https://books.google.ru/books?id=MFVbAAAAQAAJ&hl=ru&source=gbs_navlinks_s 4. Ольга Семёнова-Роттердам «Slavische steden van Nederland» www.awakeupnow.info/nl/58-feiten-meningen-en-hypothesen/3139-slavishe-steden-van-nederland 5. Ольга Семёнова-Роттердам «Славяне - предки голландцев» https://www.tart-aria.info/slavjane-predki-gollandcev/ 6. Koninklijke Bibliotheek (Cornelius Aurelius, Die cronycke van Hollandt Zeelandt ende Vrieslant. Leiden, Jan Seversz, 1517. Den Haag, Koninklijke Bibliotheek: KW 1084 A 6). http://resources.huygens.knaw.nl/retroboeken/divisiekroniek/#page=0&accessor=thumbnails&view=homePane
Het oude Goutsche chronycxken van Hollandt, Zeelandt, Vrieslandt en Utrecht https://goudaopschrift.nl/index.php/publicatie/gouds-kroniekje#3
"alsmen hier nae noch wel hoeren sel UOer die qheboerte ons heren ihesu cris=ti dusent hondert ende ses ende tsestich. iaer soe staken hen te samen die sicambriene die=men nv franschs hiet. ende quamen mit veel scepen ouer die zee ende wouden in brutangen we=sen om dat lant te winnen, soe dat si versta=ken mitten wynde. ende quamen gheuaren an die zeeusche cust Ende doe dit die slauen vernamen soe hadden si sonmighe scepen ende toghen op ter zee tot die sicambriene. daer si tegens streden. ende wonnen hem alte groten roef of ende sloghen veel volcs. ende behilden al hoer scepen. ende quamen soe weder te slauenburch daer omtrent daer nv vlaerdinc staet. mer dat oude vlaerdinc dat staet nv verde in die maes Dit volc dese slauen gheneerden hem ter zee ende inden woude. ende creghen veel kin=der te samen. soe dat si hem stroyden. ende to ghen een groet deel woenen ouer die maes dat nv zuythollant hiet Die ander toghen in zeelant dat een groet onbewoent eylant was Ende plaghen hem te gheneeren ter zee mit visschen ende mit roeuen Dus worden die luden zeelanders qhehieten Die ander ..."
: alsmen hier na noch wel hooren sal. Door de qheboorte ons heeren Jesu Christi elf hondert ende sessent-sestich jaer/ soo staechen hem te samen die Sicambrinen diemen nu Franschen hiet/...
We will hear about this later on. It was 1166 BC when the Sicambrians, now called Franks, crossed the sea with many ships. They wanted to go to Britain to conquer that country. They got off course because of the wind, so that they were heading for the coast of Zeeland. When the Slavs learned of this, they sailed to sea with a number of ships to fight against the Sicambrians. They robbed them and killed a lot of the men. They kept all their ships and returned to Slavenburg, the place where Vlaardingen is approximately. However, the old town of Vlaardingen is now further in the Meuse, and these people, the Slavs, sought their food at sea and in the forest. They had many children, who went to live scattered. A large part went to live above the Maas, which is now called South Holland, while the others moved to Zeeland, which was then a large uninhabited island. They lived off fishing and sea raids. That is why these people are called Zeelanders. Those who already lived in South Holland were called the ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.122.37 (talk) 13:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
How much should it be shortened from your point of view?
109.252.123.71 (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)Eastern European homeland of the Indo-Aryans
- Some archaic roots of the Northern Russian traditional culture https://www.booksite.ru/fulltext/1/001/001/073/j4.htm
- https://www.studmed.ru/verkovich-si-veda-slavyan-tom-2_6332bea8dd7.html