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(Possibly) stale page restrictions

Hi, I was recently doing a review of all the page restrictions I've placed or taken ownership of over the years, and I noticed that a majority of the pages were no longer battlegrounds and didn't require restrictions anymore. I was looking backwards a couple of months on the article history and talk page looking for major diputes, and for the most part things were pretty quiet. I've removed the BRD restrictions from about 70% of the articles that I had put them on, and the 1RR restrictions from probably 90% of pages.

I figured while I was at it I might as well try to track down the other pages with active sanctions and see if the admins who placed them might also be interested in doing a similar review. The following list might not be complete, but it's the best I could come up with by tracking usages of the American Politics AE template. (Perhaps you can compare it to whatever system you have for tracking your active sanctions.)

• Template:Editnotices/Page/Kelli Ward - Talk:Kelli Ward
• Template:Editnotices/Page/Roy Moore - Talk:Roy Moore
• Template:Editnotices/Page/Ryan Zinke - Talk:Ryan Zinke

I'm hoping that removing some of these restrictions can help restore some sense of normalcy to the topic area. In any case I hope this list is helpful. ~Awilley (talk) 00:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

1st two are worth keeping given their individual controversial status. 3rd one I'm meh on and don't really remember why I placed it. Probably an edit war or something. My general view is that sanctions working is an argument for keeping them not removing them (Misplaced Pages seems to be the only place on the planet that views success as a reason to end something), but since he's no longer in cabinet and was controversial amongst policy wonks more than anything else, I could go either way on him, so neutral. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:17, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I just took a look, and in all 3 articles there hasn't been significant talk page activity since 2018. In each case there are only two very short talk page sections from 2019 and 2020. Looking at the article histories for the last 50 edits I don't see any significant disputes. Just an occasional bold edit and revert. Articles 2 and 3 aren't even semi-protected.

I can think of some real-world examples. When it stops raining, you put away the umbrella. When the rioting stops, you send the police home and end the 8PM curfews. When the pandemic ends you stop locking down the country (hopefully). When an incarcerated person behaves, you release them on parole. When the rogue nation dismantles their nuclear program you end the sanctions. For what it's worth, I'm not convinced the page-level sanctions even had anything to do with the decrease in disruption, or that they addressed the root cause of the disruption in the first place. It's like saying the scarecrow is working because since we put it up we haven't seen a plague of locusts. ~Awilley (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I think a better analogy is saying there've been less serious accidents after guardrails have been installed on a roadway. The success of the guardrails isn't a reason to remove them. I don't see a good reason to remove these guardrails when they aren't really hurting anything and could be of potential use in the future. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

The sanctions are more like speed bumps than guardrails. Guardrails don't get in your way, and you only run into them if you're going somewhere you shouldn't. Speed bumps slow everybody down, and they're really annoying, especially when they're overused. Take off your admin hat for a second and put yourself in the shoes of an editor who is just trying to improve or maintain articles. You are now subject to the following sanctions: you may only make one revert per 24 hour period, and you may not revert anything that has ever been reverted in the past without first obtaining consensus. Violation of these sanctions may result in your account being blocked. Do restrictions like that make your job easier or harder? A lot of good editors choose to simply stay away from articles under sanctions. Instead of trying to deal with mental load of editing under restrictions and engaging in endless circular arguments with invested POV pushers who are gaming those restrictions, people simply walk away. Every sanction has downsides and unintended consequences, and I think we should always be weighing those against the benefits. ~Awilley (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any downsides to these page level sanctions. Like I said, something working (wide use of page level sanctions in AP2) is not a reason to remove them. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:07, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Race and Intelligence RfC

Sorry to bother you bringing this up again. You wrote "There is consensus that the theory that a genetic link exists between race and intelligence is enough of a minority viewpoint in the scientific consensus that it falls under Misplaced Pages's definition of a fringe theory above." Could I ask which sources you used to determine this? I think more detail is needed. Frog Tamer (talk) 14:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tony, just a heads-up: for context you might want to see this SPA's recent comments at Talk:Race and intelligence. Generalrelative (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

LTA

Hello, can you please delete Draft:Ali Mahmoud Al-Suleiman, this is LTA see Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of علي أبو عمر. Thanks on advance --Alaa :)..! 06:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Deleted by User:Explicit --Alaa :)..! 15:00, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

A new RfC on Race and intelligence has been opened at RSN

Apologies for posting here again if you're already aware of this (or don't care), but I've just been made aware of this new RfC on Race and intelligence at RSN started by Ferahgo the Assassin. Apparently she didn't deem it necessary to inform stakeholders or the community in any way so I'm informing you for her. Best, Generalrelative (talk) 00:53, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

Ehat is a Sockpuppet, what do i do if it edited my page, and how do i undo what was done? R2D2fan (talk) 08:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)