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Buddha Love - Thank you and Questions!

Hi Joshua - I just noticed the buddha image in the bottom corner of my screen for the first time and finally realized I could click on it - loved the message it brought me to, and would very very much like to collaborate with you on methods for everyone here to spread more wikiKindness and wikiLove. Could we setup a dialog chat session somewhere? I'm on telegram a lot these days (so much wikipedia stuff going on over there!). Come find me? @ drmelganus

Please know that your work here is Essential to the future of human knowledge, and your endurance in being here even when it is not pretty is worth your time and perseverance. Looking forward to supporting your work however I can. DrMel (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Missing citations in Buddhism articles

Hi, I am working through the backlog at Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors and I stumbled upon a number of Buddhism related articles that were edited by you and that have numerous errors where the short reference link is broken and does not properly link to a full citation in the bibliography.

Please install a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: ] to your common.js page.

Can you please help solve these errors?

• 'McRae 1993' is missing from Chan Buddhism, Zen, Linji Yixuan. I suspect it's a typo in year and corrected accordingly.
• 'Kasulis 1999' is missing from Chan Buddhism, it was added in October 2012
• 'Jones 2010' is missing from Chan Buddhism, it was added in November 2012
• 'Stein 1991' is missing from Zen, it was added in January 2020
• 'Lachs 1999' is missing from Zen, it was added in July 2012
• 'Spilka 2003' is missing from Enlightenment (spiritual), it was in February 2013
• 'Gethin 2002' is missing from Dhyāna in Buddhism, it was added in December 2018
• 'McRae, p. 2-9' is missing from Zen scriptures, Kenshō, Dharma transmission. I suspect it should be "McRae 2003"?

Thanks, Renata (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Renata3: sure, that must be possible. Thank you for your work! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Whats up!!!

Hey JJ. Hope this finds you in good health and you are doing well during this pandemic. Fingers crossed we are on the tail end of things. Some headlines last night crossed my attention from a few weeks ago and figure I would share

• https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/nyregion/nj-hindu-temple-india-baps.html
• https://cis.org/North/Another-Religious-Entity-Caught-Abusing-Its-People-and-time-R2-Visas

The group ring any bells haha. That entire lot of meat-puppet accounts that tried to overwhelm their opinion on Wiki was very pro this group. Go figure. I've stepped away from Wiki after that experience outside of checking in every now and then and using it for learning but did always enjoy working with you and catching this story in the news was interesting to say the least. Crazy these kinds of things exist in todays times. Nonetheless, sorry for taking up your time and stay safe man!

Kbhatt22 (talk) 19:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kbhatt22: yes, I noticed; the gang managed to wash it away, not surprisingly. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: Of course lol. Amazing how quickly they jump on to rubber stamp one another. I don't have it in me to pick that topic again with all 8-10 of them piling on but clicking around and seeing what you mean about them washing it out. Maybe some day an admin will notice. Time to crawl back into my little hole haha. Thanks again as always. Kbhatt22 (talk) 22:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Integral yoga for deletion

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Kali's Child Deletion of Edit

Hi Joshua, Why did you delete my edits. They are sourced, and more clearly explains the issues of mistaken translations. For instance,one of the critical papers cited is actually titled, "Kali's Child Revisited or Didn't Anyone Check the Documentation?" by Swami Tyagananda. This simple point explains much of the controversy of the book. Bengali speakers, since the book was published, have complained that Kripal was not fluent or even conversant with Bengali (especially 19th Century rural or village Bengali), which explains many of his errors. As to the un-adressed errors, Kripal himself in the article has admitted mistakes that have not been corrected in the book. That explains why the controversy continues, as mentioned in the paragraph. My edits broadly clarifies the issues, more than point by point examples. Please explain or revert your deletion of my edit. Thank you, Ellis408 (talk) 06:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ellis408: the WP:LEAD summarizes the article; Tyagananda already has his own subsection, summarized together with other critics in one sentence. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:26, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Joshua, My suggested edit was not to support or argue with any of the opinions listed. The root of major disagreements about the book are given no rational explanation - it just dives into the various opinions. My edit is an attempt to address why the controversy erupted so broadly, and why it continues, without taking sides.

It needs to be stated up front that the many translation errors occurred because neither Kripal nor the pre-publication reviewers and editors were conversant with Bengali, especially rural 19th Century Bengali. It actually deflects the many criticisms that Kripal's mis-translations were intentional and gives context as to why there were so many errors. I feel strongly that this is an important point for the article, that needs to be up front - before the listed opinions.

That errors were admitted by Kripal, but have not been corrected in a new edition, and that Kripal is refusing to address other points raised, helps explains why the controversy continues. I'm less concerned about this point, but I do think it helps to contextualize the ongoing controversy.

By establishing those two points up front, I believe, helps to put all of the following opinions into a more neutral setting - without blame aimed at supporters or detractors of Kripal and his book.

I hope you can see the sense of this. Perhaps suggest your own wording, to make the points. Let's get a few more opinions, please. Best, Ellis408 (talk) 09:34, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Pease discuss at the Talkpage of Kali's Child; thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

OK - Thanks, Ellis408 (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

BTW - I only cited Tyagananda as he incorporated the issue of checking the translations in the title of his response. Virtually all critics of KC point out the issue, and while point by point examples are listed below, there's not a context for it. Thanks, Ellis408 (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Eckhart Tolle

We disagree clearly on what should be removed from Eckhart's page. ET is a buisness, and he is more than welcome to run it, but we cannot let wiki page be a propaganda wagon for him. Ramana Maharishi and Jiddu comparison is self-drawn by ET, hence has no place in wiki. Cigarlover (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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