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| Is machine translation between, say, Nynorsk and Bokmal trivial or is it a difficult problem? --] (]) 16:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC) | Is machine translation between, say, Nynorsk and Bokmal trivial or is it a difficult problem? --] (]) 16:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
| : There are just minor differences between them in grammar and vocabulary. I assume it should be about the same complexity as translating between Swedish and Norwegian Bokmål. ] (]) 21:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | : There are just minor differences between them in grammar and vocabulary. I assume it should be about the same complexity as translating between Swedish and Norwegian Bokmål. ] (]) 21:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
| == section: '''Danish to Norwegian'''. Split? == | |||
| At the top of the section "Danish to Norwegian" there is a box, dated January 2017, where it says: "It has been suggested that this article be split into a new article titled ]. (Discuss.)" | |||
| The "Discuss" link sends one here, but no one has started a discussion nor explained why it has been "suggested" that the article should be split. If you are the one who added the proposal, you should start a discussion here or remove the notice. --] (]) 03:33, 27 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == "disputed" in the infobox == | |||
| There are no language "disputed", please remove that. ] (]) 14:30, 31 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :I think they are there to reflect that Norwegian can either be considered as belonging together with Swedish and Danish, with which it is mutually intelligible, or as belonging together with Icelandic and Faroese, which share a more recent common origin. But it seems then somewhat odd to put it above "Continental Scandinavian", as the Norwegian language conflict is not in any way about where Continental Scandinavian belongs within North Germanic. Just having Continental Scandinavian there is picking sides in the "conflict". ] (]) 16:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Norwegian and Google Translate
So what dialect does Google Translate Use? Myrrhfrankincensegold (talk) 21:24, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
- Dialects are spoken. Nynorsk and Bokmål are written. They use Bokmål. They try to translate from Nynorsk (to, for example, English). The result is often not good (and sometimes is hilarious). --Hordaland (talk) 03:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Machine translation
Is machine translation between, say, Nynorsk and Bokmal trivial or is it a difficult problem? --Error (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- There are just minor differences between them in grammar and vocabulary. I assume it should be about the same complexity as translating between Swedish and Norwegian Bokmål. Stusslig (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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Lead length
To reiterate what I just included in edit summaries when I added the {{Lead too long}} tag, as it's involved enough to mention here: The lead contains four paragraphs that are all primarily, or almost entirely, about the breakdown between Bokmål and Nynorsk. Meanwhile, the section dedicated to Bokmål and Nynorsk consists of only two short paragraphs. Taking MOS:LEADLENGTH into consideration, even if several general observations associated with Bokmål and Nynorsk and other breakdowns of the language merit mention in the lead, their coverage there should be tightened up considerably, with the details moving to the body of the article. Largoplazo (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Translation of sannsynlighetsmaksimeringsestimator
The English translation for "sannsynlighetsmaksimeringsestimator" is given as "maximum likelihood estimator".
On analysing both words I understand their meanings as follows:
- sannsynlighetsmaksimeringsestimator = estimator of the maximization of the probability;
- maximum likelihood estimator = estimator of the maximum probability.
So I propose to change the translation into "likelihood maximization estimator". Any objections?Redav (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- This is a strange case. A Google search found a document hosted by the University of Oslo which lists "maximum likelihood estimator" as the translation for "sannsynlighetsmaksimeringsestimator". A random discussion about whether this indeed is the longest non-compound (although it seems compound to me) word in common use Norwegian, also mentions that the word should be known to all who studied enough mathematics to get into university (I don't remember it, but that probably goes for a lot of things I've never used since), and quotes another source for a similar translation.
- The way I see it, "sannsynlighetsmaksimeringsestimator" does not have the same meaning as "maximum likelihood estimator", but the latter is apparently a thing. The question is whether there is something called a "likelihood maximization estimator" or similar. It doesn't look that way from a quick Google search. Maybe the Norwegian word is an old mistranslation, or an archaic phrasing I'm not familiar with. This linguistic question may need a mathematician to provide an answer.
- Another possibility is simply to drop the word altogether. There is no source, or even a claim, that it is the longest word in actual use. Ters (talk) 17:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
mitt tilbaketrukne tannkjøtt
really? this is delightful and brings a smile to my face, but there is a reason language 101 exposition confines itself to things like "the boy's football" and "my brown suitcase" and the like. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:484F:92D0:543:F7A1 (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe this sort of graphic detail is peculiar to the Nordic languages. A reading in a 1945 Icelandic grammar: "What were the children doing? They were playing. In the classroom was a table; on the table were papers, ink, and pens. On the wall were maps and pictures of animals. There was a picture of a raven pecking a lamb's eyes out. ..." (Stefán Einarsson, Icelandic: grammar, texts, glossary, The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1945.) Largoplazo (talk) 11:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- It may be that we have a taste for the macabre in the Nordic countries, but I do find it an odd example. I don't see what value it adds either. There is already an example for the neuter gender. An example with plural is missing, but that might perhaps require some more explanation. An example with the feminine gender is also missing, although that would look identical to the masculine example, so one can not tell if it actually is an example of feminine, as that is an optional grammatical gender in Bokmål. Ters (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)