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| :{{re|Herostratus}} I tried to report a false positive in June, not only could I not report it at the page you're meant to report on (persistent "bad captcha" message), my post here was also ignored. Beyond human control is right. ] (]) 22:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC) | :{{re|Herostratus}} I tried to report a false positive in June, not only could I not report it at the page you're meant to report on (persistent "bad captcha" message), my post here was also ignored. Beyond human control is right. ] (]) 22:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
| :The bot's wording very intentionally never accuses the editor of vandalism. The edit summary says "possible vandalism". The initial warning simply states that a computer program has undone the edit, saying nothing about vandalism. The second warning states that the edits appear to be vandalism to the bot. It's not until ] that the bot's messaging changes to directly claim vandalism. | |||
| :A further note, about that edit in particular: While this is not what the bot is looking for, it's far from perfect. No sources or references, not formatted like the rest of the entries (not italics, a ] instead of an ]), inconsistent spacing and punctuation, "watermelon like" should be "watermelon-like", "that grown" should be "that grows" or "that is grown", "remote" should be "remove", "prosesed" should be "processed", "world famous" should be "world-famous", "liqeur" should be "liqueur", "on ground" should be "on the ground" (or something else?), "the jam is eaten" should be its own sentence or "and is eaten", "kan" should be "can", and so on. The bot is not designed to pick up on any one of these things in particular, but it does analyze most of this, and taken together with common patterns found in other vandalism, it determined this looked enough like vandalism. -- ]<sup>(]|]|])</sup> 23:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
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He removed one of my changes 😔 Snow foxy (talk) 19:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Agree Djensje (talk) 03:01, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
ClueBot NG making Deprecated API calls
Hello!
It seems the ClueBot NG account is still doing some action=query&prop=info&intoken= API calls, which have been deprecated for years. In support of phab:T280806, is there any chance you can switch to more modern token handling?
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- If it helps. it's with a ClueBot/2.0 User Agent. Reedy (talk) 12:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for fixing the "List of Pixar Films" page! I was fixing the page at the same time you were and didn't realize it until I reloaded the page. Much thanks indeed! Red4Smash (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
WHOOP WHOOP TERRAIN TERRAIN
I've seen (very rarely) the robot remove bad edits that weren't actually vandalism, which makes for a bad edit summary but at least the removed material needed to be removed.
But here the edits were not only not vandalism, but they were actually fine (if not perfect), particularly since by a brand new editor. A promising new editor who was confused as to why she was being called a vandal right off, which is not good.
I hate to say it, but it looks like ClueBot violated the First Law of Robotics here, assuming you define "injury" to include "insult" which I would.
My understanding is that the robot is beyond human control at this point, but here's a suggestion that I think will help: change the edit summaries, from "Reverting possible vandalism" to something milder. Like "Reverting edit per ClueBot algorithm" or something. ("Algorithm", I don't know, pick a better term.) That gets the job done and its simply descriptive so it doesn't insult anyone (I know that this's quite rare, but still). Herostratus (talk) 21:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Herostratus: I tried to report a false positive in June, not only could I not report it at the page you're meant to report on (persistent "bad captcha" message), my post here was also ignored. Beyond human control is right. DuncanHill (talk) 22:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- The bot's wording very intentionally never accuses the editor of vandalism. The edit summary says "possible vandalism". The initial warning simply states that a computer program has undone the edit, saying nothing about vandalism. The second warning states that the edits appear to be vandalism to the bot. It's not until warning number 3 that the bot's messaging changes to directly claim vandalism.
- A further note, about that edit in particular: While this is not what the bot is looking for, it's far from perfect. No sources or references, not formatted like the rest of the entries (not italics, a hyphen instead of an ndash), inconsistent spacing and punctuation, "watermelon like" should be "watermelon-like", "that grown" should be "that grows" or "that is grown", "remote" should be "remove", "prosesed" should be "processed", "world famous" should be "world-famous", "liqeur" should be "liqueur", "on ground" should be "on the ground" (or something else?), "the jam is eaten" should be its own sentence or "and is eaten", "kan" should be "can", and so on. The bot is not designed to pick up on any one of these things in particular, but it does analyze most of this, and taken together with common patterns found in other vandalism, it determined this looked enough like vandalism. -- Cobi 23:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)