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	:He appears to be referred to as an activist, for example: . I don't know about Nick Fuentes, I guess he could be described (and gets referred to) as an activist too. ] (]) 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)		:He appears to be referred to as an activist, for example: . I don't know about Nick Fuentes, I guess he could be described (and gets referred to) as an activist too. ] (]) 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
	:{{re\|Chefs-kiss}} {{tq\|What is the wikipedia definition/classification for activist??}} It's a common misconception that there are some sets of criteria on Misplaced Pages for various descriptors, and we evaluate a person's behavior against them to determine which should be used. Instead, we look at the terms that reliable sources use for a person, and attempt to reflect the most widely-used. If you are seeing that reliable sources regularly use some other description for him, feel free to suggest it. While it's certainly true that some sources may have referred to Baked Alaska as a YouTuber, it seems unlikely that they do these days, given he was banned from the platform. For what it's worth, Nick Fuentes is also referred to as an activist in a few places, and reliable sources sometimes describe him as one as well; it's not in the lead primarily because sources more frequently refer to him as a "commentator", etc. ] (she/her • ]) 18:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)		:{{re\|Chefs-kiss}} {{tq\|What is the wikipedia definition/classification for activist??}} It's a common misconception that there are some sets of criteria on Misplaced Pages for various descriptors, and we evaluate a person's behavior against them to determine which should be used. Instead, we look at the terms that reliable sources use for a person, and attempt to reflect the most widely-used. If you are seeing that reliable sources regularly use some other description for him, feel free to suggest it. While it's certainly true that some sources may have referred to Baked Alaska as a YouTuber, it seems unlikely that they do these days, given he was banned from the platform. For what it's worth, Nick Fuentes is also referred to as an activist in a few places, and reliable sources sometimes describe him as one as well; it's not in the lead primarily because sources more frequently refer to him as a "commentator", etc. ] (she/her • ]) 18:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

			Ah ok! Thnx for the clarification ] (]) 22:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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Birth date

Where did the birth date in the lede—November 16, 1987—come from? It's not in any of the cites in the first sentence, and I can't find it elsewhere. The Wikidata item just refers back to this article. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings, it was always in the article, and is not mentioned in any of the sources used in the first version. Vexations (talk) 21:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Vexations, Thanks. Removed birth date and place for now; presumably court documents will confirm these in time. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed that this is a good removal (and thanks for removing it from Wikidata too). I searched but can't find a source for it. — Bilorv (talk) 22:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sheila1988 added it back, but I'm not convinced that "MEAWW" is reliable. What do others think? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings, meaww.com copied almost all of the content from Oliver Darcy's article in businessinsider.com. They didn't do any original reporting. We have reason to think they're reliable. The author, Jyotsna Basotia has a bio that says: "Like everyone, I watch TV and lie down on my couch — I'm just clever enough to get paid for it!" That's a long way from a politics editor at Business Insider with a degree in political science. Vexations (talk) 23:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Removed accordingly. The BI article doesn't give a birth date, and there is no consensus on BI's reliability anyway. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Just seeing this section. Good call removing the uncited DOB. I've added a {{birth based on age as of date}} template because there are RS saying he's 33. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

For future reference, do not use court documents for birth date: Per WP:BLPPRIMARY Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses.. A reliable source should indicate that this is public knowledge, otherwise it should not be included. Grayfell (talk) 08:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Grayfell: Are you replying to me? I don't think I did use a court document; I avoid them for that very reason. I inserted the approximate year of birth based on an article in the Anchorage Daily News. GorillaWarfare (talk) 15:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I think they were replying to me, since I said "presumably court documents will confirm these in time" above. But, of course, all this is conjectural at the moment. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I was responding to AleatoryPonderings. This BLPPRIMARY issue is common on biographies, but I've been noticing a lot that it's especially common with social-media personalities, so I wanted to emphasis it. Grayfell (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Activist??

What is the wikipedia definition/classification for activist?? Isn't he a youtuber who got banned. Otherwise wikipedia would also need to classify nick fuentes differently.Chefs-kiss (talk) 15:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

He appears to be referred to as an activist, for example: Far-right activist is among the latest Capitol rioters to be arrested. (NYT). I don't know about Nick Fuentes, I guess he could be described (and gets referred to) as an activist too. — Alalch Emis (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Chefs-kiss: What is the wikipedia definition/classification for activist?? It's a common misconception that there are some sets of criteria on Misplaced Pages for various descriptors, and we evaluate a person's behavior against them to determine which should be used. Instead, we look at the terms that reliable sources use for a person, and attempt to reflect the most widely-used. If you are seeing that reliable sources regularly use some other description for him, feel free to suggest it. While it's certainly true that some sources may have referred to Baked Alaska as a YouTuber, it seems unlikely that they do these days, given he was banned from the platform. For what it's worth, Nick Fuentes is also referred to as an activist in a few places, and reliable sources sometimes describe him as one as well; it's not in the lead primarily because sources more frequently refer to him as a "commentator", etc. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 18:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok! Thnx for the clarification Chefs-kiss (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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