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Note: Could the page be edited to include the use of the term Neuordnung in Nazi propaganda, referring to a world order due to historical significance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.72.98 (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Could the page reference the occasions where United States President George Bush spoke the words "New World Order" to delineate the use of the phrase as opposed to this conspiracy theory? 76.72.80.157 (talk) 12:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

• We actually have an entire separate article for things like this... see: New world order (politics) (which is already linked on the page). Blueboar (talk) 13:28, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Mass surveillance not a conspiracy theory.

NSA with google(android, search engine and youtube), apple(smartphones/tablets and computers) and facebook knows everything about us. Whats the conspiracy about this? They even have facial recognition and digital prints to open the phones. Documents from wikileaks and Edward Snowden revealed this.

Where does the article state that the NSA's mass surveillance is a conspiracy theory? I don't see that. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020

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Removed : ‘conspiracy theory’, NWO is now widely published and factual. 2A02:C7D:8C12:9F00:D074:7537:4608:B07A (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I doubt that. In any case, to make that change we'd need reliable sources that back up your claim. Robby.is.on (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 16:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

2020 Covid

This page needs updating to recognize recent events. I think we have to accept the New World Order has arrived. Unlock please, so an open discussion is possible, or are Wiki admins part of the problem?

Our articles aren't places for discussion at all, and talk pages are only for discussion of the article, not the subject. As our articles depend upon reliable sources you'd need sources adding Covid as part of the conspiracy theory (note this article is about the conspiracy theory, you seem to have missed that also). Doug Weller talk 11:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

First at all, an article is about a subject, therefore it is impossible to talk about the article and not to talk about the subject. Second, the NWO is not only a conspiracy, it is something real and the politicians themselves have admitted when talking in formal speeches. 83.38.50.30 (talk) 20:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Again, we require reliable sources. IF there are reliable sources that say someone has connected Covid to the NWO, then we can discuss it. As it is, all we have is an anonymous poster on the internet hinting that there might be some connection (not even saying it out right).

As for your second point… there is a HUGE difference between politicians talking about a new world order, and The New World Order that is talked about in conspiracy circles. This is why we have a separate article about what the politicians say (see: New world order (politics))Blueboar (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Notable Believers section

@Blueboar: Howdy. Just wanted to let you know that I disagree with this revert. Probably an uphill battle since it's a "good article" with lots of editors and opinions. But the section I added is definitely useful and a time saver. Took me a couple of minutes to read through the prose and figure out who was just mentioned vs who actually believed the theory. Which is why I created the section. To save time and concisely present useful information. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Respect that... however, there are several issues with the list: 1) it omits context. The NWO conspiracy is not one single theory, but multiple theories with intertwining threads. Different proponents believe different things, and they often disagree with each other. Creating a “list of believers” makes it seem as if they all believe the same thing... which they don’t. 2) As it was, the list was woefully incomplete... focused purely on modern TV and Radio personalities, and omitting historical “believers” who actually played a larger role in the history and development of the theories.

Sometimes trying to simplify and “save time” actually does the reader a disservice. Blueboar (talk) 14:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

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changee charachterised to charachterized ChristianMorey (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: "Charactise" and "characterize" look like they're just words that have spelling differences between American and British English. According to Misplaced Pages's policy on English variants, "An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another." Unfortunately I can't find any words in the article that would indicate what variety of English it's using, happy to be proven wrong. HoneycrispApples (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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Please remove

nudging people constantly and covertly in the direction

and add

constantly nudging people covertly in the direction

Thank you. 64.203.186.94 (talk) 16:51, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done Alduin2000 (talk) 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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Please replace "characterised" with "characterized" because the rest of the article uses American spellings ("stigmatized" and "center" for example, not "stigmatised" and "centre"), so "characterised" is a misspelling in that context. 64.203.186.94 (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 17:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

New world order date is ready and no longer a conspiracy

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Stop posting your fabricated BULLSHIT to YouTube!

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If you get a WIKI post stating the New World Order is a conspiracy then that is a false statement. The New World Order has been publicly stated by every U.S. President since at least Kennedy. General Mattis stated the International World Order in his resignation to the Sec of Defense and general Goldfien publicly stated it in a brief to officers of the military. These are FACTS. There is NO conspiracy and the wiki post is a false statement that should be legally addressed. The DoD has New World and International World Order posted over 44 times on their PUBLIC website. These are FACTS.

Wiki needs to do its own damn job and take 10 minutes to discover these facts by ACTUALLY watching the YouTube presidents declare NWO order since Kennedy, Mattis resignation to the Sec of Def (Literal disclaimer IN the resignation for the IWO), General Goldfien's International World Order YouTube video to Officers of the U.S. Military, DoD.gov posting of the NWO and IWO as disclaimers throughout numerous articles to the PUBLIC.

Remove this false conspiracy declaration immediately.

Was trying to post legit information. /shrug

DOD had been posting unconstitutional disclaimers for the IWO. That in itself makes everything they sign illegal. End of story.

1) DoD gov website has IWO posted over 44 times as disclaimers

2) General Mattis disclaimed, illegally, the IWO in his resignation to the Secretary of Defense

3) General Goldfein has publicly disclaimed the IWO in his speeches to Air Force officers and the DoD

4) IWO is disclaimed in Official National Defense Strategy documents atleast 14 times per document

https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-National-Defense-Strategy-Summary.pdf

5) They have all acted outside the purview of their constitutional authority

6) They did in FACT disclaim political partisanship and its NOT in support of the U.S. Constitution and/or the UCMJ DoD 1344.10

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

International World Order

International Order as written

NWO: New World Order

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-9/clause-8#:~:text=Clause%208.%20No%20Title%20of%20Nobility%20shall%20be,whatever%2C%20from%20any%20King%2C%20Prince%2C%20or%20foreign%20State.

Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

A) The states, nearly every state has NO legal authority for this mask crap just read the damn state constitutional law, are infringing on the U.S. Constitution while allowing protests over U.S. Citizens all while covering the faces of the rioters. Other than recent changes or a few states.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx

https://ohioconstitution.org/ohio-court-health-departments-cannot-suspend-licenses-over-masks/?fbclid=IwAR0r5KTh3zxqxVocDJ_QUDad7M5PWhlVdDpqKDRWExXOQq6fh913YGUwYUI

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/laws/ohio-constitution/section?const=1.21&fbclid=IwAR3xYJZquxSDiDG8enByJSeDSr16q2aKa9Q5jZGt8cifkzKMqj9Y-sV3d9M

B) COVID is a drama TV show from the early 2000s

https://www.facebook.com/100041887640456/videos/310909563648629/

C) Every president since Kennedy has publicly stated support for the NWO

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSJvtkPICM&feature=youtu.be

D) General Mattis stated the IWO in his resignation paperwork to the secretary to the department of defense google search "general mattis full resignation paper dod.gov department of defense"

https://media.defense.gov/2018/Dec/20/2002075156/-1/-1/1/LETTER-FROM-SECRETARY-JAMES-N-MATTIS.PDF (international order)

E) General of the Air Force Goldfein publicly stated the IWO in his speech to Air Force officers during a brief on IWO obligations

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQG29uiiy8&feature=youtu.be

F) The IWO and NWO are both UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

G) http://www.cnfocus.com/the-shutdown-of-chinese-consulate-in-houston-an-order/?fbclid=IwAR3t7oLgz9nbtzghx_PG25dxhOkHX_6YZQ1akWspFFDrrzLyzfS2Juv2XfA

and

https://www.ft.com/content/6e2dfb82-c018-11de-aed2-00144feab49a

G) Facts don't give a crap about your feelings. BlackFx (talk) 00:53, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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