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	:See ] above. With any site other than ED, going offline for weeks would be unusual. ED has done this in the past and still returned, but I agree that the .wiki version should be regarded as defunct if it hasn't returned by September.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)		:See ] above. With any site other than ED, going offline for weeks would be unusual. ED has done this in the past and still returned, but I agree that the .wiki version should be regarded as defunct if it hasn't returned by September.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

	:I propose to mark as defunct immediately for the fact that it ~~has~~ gone offline and all the site's content disappeared when it was back online half a year later due to a database corruption. That exact situation ~~happened~~ here. ~~That~~ can always be reverted if the site still does come back half another year later. ] (]) 22:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)		:I propose to mark as defunct immediately for the fact that it had gone offline and all the site's content disappeared when it was back online half a year later due to a database corruption. That exact situation occured again here. It can always be reverted if the site still does come back half another year later. ] (]) 22:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Can the site URL be updated to a live link or removed entirely?

I have partially overturned the Arbcom decision to totally ban links to ED. Now, I can safely start this discussion. If there is a URL to the main page in the infobox, it should either be a live link or removed entirely. A non-link URL only exists to incovenience the readers. The site contains a lot of horrible content, but Misplaced Pages is not censored. As it is quite easy to find the site URL, I recommend changing the URL to a live link. Please note I am not affiliated with ED in anyway. Thoughts? Steve M (talk) 19:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

It's difficult because there are now two rival versions. Also, the .wiki version is still showing a "we'll be back soon" message, while the .online version is unreliable and up and down like a yo-yo. It is down at the moment, so at the time of writing there is no version available. Things need time to settle down, but both sites need to up their game.--♦IanMacM♦ 07:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, the two versions of ED being dysfunctional shouldn't come into play, as it's not our concern if they're in ship shape; we just shouldn't have dead links. @Steve M: I'd be fine with either including the links or deleting them both, so long as we're not having a repeat of the discussions above, where we're getting involved with the dispute between the sites' administrators, over who has the better website. DÅRTHBØTTØ_(T•C) 00:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ianmacm and @DarthBotto, what if we include them both? The current URLs are encyclopediadramatica.wiki and encyclopediadramatica.online? (I am the OP) aeschylus (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

The infobox currently gives both. This is probably the right decision, as it avoids the argument over which is the "best" or "right" link out of the two. There is a nowiki tag as the links to the pages will not save without this.--♦IanMacM♦ 20:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

.wiki version offline, August 2021

Re this edit: it's true that the .wiki version is offline at the moment. The site says "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Cannot access the database)" However, I would be reluctant to say that .wiki is gone forever due the famously up and down hosting.--♦IanMacM♦ 07:30, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Dramatica trademark for .wiki

Hello,

Editing is now reopened on our site .wiki now that I have technical issues resolved.

In addition I have filed for the Encyclopedia Dramatica Trademark and it's official within databases.

See here for example: https://app.trademarkengine.com/trademark-detail/90606219

There were rumors of the last admin filing for the trademark before me however it apparently seems that because he's currently in prison they revoked it from him during the application process. - æ admin 03:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aediot (talk • contribs)

No I don't think so. Trademarks do not get "revoked" while in prison. Second, the Patent Office's search engine for trademarks are notoriously unreliable. Third, any trademark issued to you would be unenforceable as a matter of law, nobody owns ED. The site was created while you were still in grade school, putting January 2004 as your first use is a joke. Dramatica.online (talk) 21:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Aediot, Dramatica.online, and Bears2077: None of what has been written here has any impact on the content of this page. The only way this may affect this page is if this claimed dispute were to result in one of the two instances of the page being shut down. Until then, we list both the live instances of Encyclopedia Dramatica. All of you are deeply engaged in a conflict of interest and need to stand down from contributing to this page. DÅRTHBØTTØ_(T•C) 22:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@DarthBotto: This page has a lot of bad info on it with few citations, and did not adequately represent the .online fork or even the correct domain nor "owners". I supplied citations from the forum, which shows the reasons for the fork and correct date (Nov 2020, not Dec). It's disappointing that these are labeled not valid sources. I see you fixed the content box with the correct domain. I can at least live with that. No other edits are necessary. Bears2077 (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Don't you think it's a bad idea to rely on first-party sources for the .wiki version? The reason the .online sources were removed was because they were unreliable first-party ones, as well. So, with the exception of the business filing (that sounds like it is being contested), these two current versions seem to be on equally unreliable ground. DÅRTHBØTTØ_(T•C) 19:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

@DarthBotto: I added quite a lot to the page, not just this. I read the existing sources (Stryker) and added more from them, as well as adding new sources (Mitchell). My primary interest in editing the page is the history I added, I just wanted to clean up the current state while here. If the consensus is that there aren't enough sources for either .wiki or .online, that's fine with me. I see that both admins are on this talk page trying to sway us, and I didn't read the talk page before making my edits so I wasn't thinking about that. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 06:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I've taken out the reference to the LLC registration and the Crunchbase citation, since neither of those are terribly reliable sources (with Crunchbase notoriously making many of its entries automatically with scraped data from who-knows-where). @Psiĥedelisto: I agree that there isn't really anything to suggest the .online site is "canonical", but I don't think there's anything to suggest that of the .wiki domain, either. An attempt to find coverage of this in news sources brought absolutely nothing, so I think we might have to just lack an authoritative opinion on this one (at least until one of the sites does something wild enough to get an story written about them somewhere). jp×g

Is the Chris-chan story crazy enough that we got cited as a source/linked to on Insider and Yahoo News? --TabbyGarf (talk) 12:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Dead link

It would appear as though Stellmach's version of Encyclopedia Dramatica has been offline continuously for the past several weeks. I propose that we monitor this situation a while longer, (maybe until near the end of August), and if the situation doesn't change, we remove that version as being listed as a competing current one. Naturally, WP:CRYSTAL, which is why we wait. BOTTO_(T•C) 02:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Encyclopedia_Dramatica#.wiki_version_offline,_August_2021 above. With any site other than ED, going offline for weeks would be unusual. ED has done this in the past and still returned, but I agree that the .wiki version should be regarded as defunct if it hasn't returned by September.--♦IanMacM♦ 07:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I propose to mark as defunct immediately for the fact that it had gone offline and all the site's content disappeared when it was back online half a year later due to a database corruption. That exact situation occured again here. It can always be reverted if the site still does come back half another year later. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 22:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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