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| This article is redundant to ] among others. ] (]) 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | This article is redundant to ] among others. ] (]) 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | ||
| * '''Keep''' this is an independently ] controversy that is out of the scope for ], as it is currently named. This controversy is reported by RS to involve 1) the Democratic party which - on behalf of Joe Biden - denied an allegation that is possibly supported by laptop data, 2) a group of 50 former intelligence professionals who made the widely publicised but unsubstantiated claim - during the 2020 election - that this laptop is part a Russian information operation and 3) elements of the mainstream media are allegedly suppressing this story due to lack of access to primary data - just like they did with another topic we all know about - and 4) Federal officials delaying "actions" so as not to adversely effect the outcome of the 2020 elections in favor of alleged Russian's goals. I created this article in good faith because I read the sources referenced here and also read the comments of multiple editors on the ] talk page who do not believe its claims are verifiable or neutral. I would agree to a merge this page with that page if it is renamed as '''Biden–Ukraine controversy''', or something similarly neutral, and reworked to reflect more up-to-date sources. ] (]) 16:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | * '''Keep''' this is an independently ] controversy that is out of the scope for ], as it is currently named. This controversy is reported by RS to involve 1) the Democratic party which - on behalf of Joe Biden - denied an allegation that is possibly supported by laptop data, 2) a group of 50 former intelligence professionals who made the widely publicised but unsubstantiated claim - during the 2020 election - that this laptop is part a Russian information operation and 3) elements of the mainstream media are allegedly suppressing this story due to lack of access to primary data - just like they did with another topic we all know about - and 4) Federal officials delaying "actions" so as not to adversely effect the outcome of the 2020 elections in favor of alleged Russian's goals. I created this article in good faith because I read the sources referenced here and also read the comments of multiple editors on the ] talk page who do not believe its claims are verifiable or neutral. I would agree to a merge this page with that page if it is renamed as '''Biden–Ukraine controversy''', or something similarly neutral, and reworked to reflect more up-to-date sources. ] (]) 16:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | ||
| ::What did the Democratic party deny that is {{tq|possibly}} supported by the laptop data? {{tq|50 former intelligence professionals who made the widely publicised but unsubstantiated claim...that this laptop is part a Russian information operation}} significantly misrepresents what they actually said. you say {{tq|I am new to this subject}} yet this obvious POVFORK article was created. Consequently I now recommend ] ] (]) 16:33, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Delete/merge''' - The content in this article is DUE in the same exact proportion as content on the Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory article. It just uses more controversial sourcing (Newsweek, NY Post, etc), and has a title that appears to make this conspiracy theory more plausible than is warranted. I would even go so far as to say this article is a ] of ]. I don't believe it has notability independent of that theory, and it is never mentioned outside of that theory in our RSes. Ergo, '''should be deleted, and any non-redundant DUE NPOV content should be merged into a new section of Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory'''.--] <sup>(]</sup> <sup>])</sup> 16:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | * '''Delete/merge''' - The content in this article is DUE in the same exact proportion as content on the Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory article. It just uses more controversial sourcing (Newsweek, NY Post, etc), and has a title that appears to make this conspiracy theory more plausible than is warranted. I would even go so far as to say this article is a ] of ]. I don't believe it has notability independent of that theory, and it is never mentioned outside of that theory in our RSes. Ergo, '''should be deleted, and any non-redundant DUE NPOV content should be merged into a new section of Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory'''.--] <sup>(]</sup> <sup>])</sup> 16:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' Redundant with ], and possessing a stilted title that makes for an unlikely search term. ] (]) 16:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' Redundant with ], and possessing a stilted title that makes for an unlikely search term. ] (]) 16:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC) | ||
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This article is redundant to Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory among others. soibangla (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep this is an independently WP:NOTABLE controversy that is out of the scope for Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory, as it is currently named. This controversy is reported by RS to involve 1) the Democratic party which - on behalf of Joe Biden - denied an allegation that is possibly supported by laptop data, 2) a group of 50 former intelligence professionals who made the widely publicised but unsubstantiated claim - during the 2020 election - that this laptop is part a Russian information operation and 3) elements of the mainstream media are allegedly suppressing this story due to lack of access to primary data - just like they did with another topic we all know about - and 4) Federal officials delaying "actions" so as not to adversely effect the outcome of the 2020 elections in favor of alleged Russian's goals. I created this article in good faith because I read the sources referenced here and also read the comments of multiple editors on the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory talk page who do not believe its claims are verifiable or neutral. I would agree to a merge this page with that page if it is renamed as Biden–Ukraine controversy, or something similarly neutral, and reworked to reflect more up-to-date sources. CutePeach (talk) 16:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- What did the Democratic party deny that is
possibly
supported by the laptop data?50 former intelligence professionals who made the widely publicised but unsubstantiated claim...that this laptop is part a Russian information operation
significantly misrepresents what they actually said. Here you sayI am new to this subject
yet this obvious POVFORK article was created. Consequently I now recommend WP:SPEEDY soibangla (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- What did the Democratic party deny that is
- Delete/merge - The content in this article is DUE in the same exact proportion as content on the Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory article. It just uses more controversial sourcing (Newsweek, NY Post, etc), and has a title that appears to make this conspiracy theory more plausible than is warranted. I would even go so far as to say this article is a POVFORK of Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory. I don't believe it has notability independent of that theory, and it is never mentioned outside of that theory in our RSes. Ergo, should be deleted, and any non-redundant DUE NPOV content should be merged into a new section of Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory.--Shibbolethink 16:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Redundant with Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory, and possessing a stilted title that makes for an unlikely search term. XOR'easter (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Shibbolethink 16:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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