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Deleting sourced info from article

Please don't delete sourced information from International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust. It is considered valdalism. -- Kendrick7 09:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Just removing warning in accordance with our discussion on the article talk page. Cheers. Jeffpw 23:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because a reference link goes bad, it doesn't mean its OK to just delete material. That kind of thing happens from time to time. You should WP:AGF. -- Kendrick7 02:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WIN

I'm afraid that the prospect of getting a coherent, on-topic discussion with WIN is remote. He is, essentially a "fudamentalist" who believes that Sanskrit is the origin of all IE languages (at least he appears to believe that. It's often difficult to penetrate his meaning). Paul B 10:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mazandaran

Your welcome. The Mazandaran articles could be written a lot better obviously, so if you've got the time to clean them up, that'd be wonderful. I don't have a lot of spare time these days, but I can certainly help when I do. DragonRouge 21:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Farahnaz Pahlavi

Please stop adding such lengthy comments in the AFD - it's considered an inappropriate form of discussion. Trim them down. A long paragraph is usually too long. Two or three sentences are usually ideal. Georgewilliamherbert 09:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Either produce knew arguments to your case, or accept defeat. You have so far convinced 0 out of 9 people. This is because you have tried to discredit (by insisting they misunderstand WP:Policies_and_guidelines#The_differences_between_policies.2C_guidelines.2C_essays.2C_etc. )others instead of proving your point. Thanks! Agha Nader 04:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

Changing other people's comments

Please refrain from changing my edits. i.e. do not separate my comments and write between them. You have done this in the AfD of the Farahnaz Pahlavi article. Please reverse this action, and do not do it again. Please restore my comment to its previous un-seperated form. I do not appreciate you changing the format of my comment, as it detracts the organization and thus the meaning of my comment. Furthermore, how can people coherently read my comment with your edits in between my sentences? I will assume good faith and take no further action, given you restore my comment to it's previous form. Thanks!Agha Nader 20:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

Indo European linguists community

by writing linguist , one can understand that Indo-Europeanist comprises only linguistic community and not other field of sciences. This is true for any reader who may not be aware of it's exact meaning and might understand it with that it comprises all field related to IE studies. This is just to make it more understandable to common readers who refers wikipedia as it's easily available on the net.

I had previously modified intro of IAM article which was implying that migrating Aryans brought Iron Age in India. This is wrong and it was written to in such a way that reader can misunderstand that it is because of this technical superiority migrating aryans could change language & culture of ancient India.

I hope you can understand my point. I am just trying to avoid any misunderstanding in reader's mind.

Hay, since you are interested in Ancient Iranian history , you might be interested in reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29#Aryan_Migration_theory_in_Iran_from_The_Most_Comprehensive_.26_Scholarly_Website_about_Ancient_Iran_and_Iranian_Peoples_and_some_questions_from_it .If possible give some comment on it. WIN 05:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Saka as you told , were occupying major part of central asia before Turkic invasion. But, same Saka when invaded ancient India, they were assimiliated into India.So, pastoral nomads changing language of vast & heavily populated IVC advanced people is highly illogical, when Witzel accepts that they accepted Material culture of IVC people. Secondly, Aryans invasion of India is ruled out by all.As per OIT , Rig-Veda is pre-Harappan creation. Secondly, it should not be misunderstood that IVC had only towns and no villages like modern India.

Secondly, later other Sanskrit scriptures where Saraswati river is told to be ending in desert or it's demise asserts timeline that Rig-Veda was created before IVC towns. And, mature IVC is vedantic period.

Just think that Iranians have not changed their language ( Farsi ) after Arab invasion. So, why & how Ancient IVC people will change language & culture when Iranians have not changed mother language inspite of Invasion.

I think my point is well written in Wiki pages along with well ref. articles of many scholars. Try to read them to understand my point. Anyway, it was nice to have word with you. WIN 08:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear, I may not be able to help in any other matter since I am occupied with my daily business work. I am writing about Aryan related topic just because of some unknown immense interest in this matter from my childhood. I am sorry because even if I may know more about it ( Kashmiri people as asked by you ) , it will be difficult for me to spare time to write on any other topic. I wish that I would have been a school/college going guy so that I would have got more spare time to give some inputs. Anyway, thanks for asking. WIN 04:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

That Iranian political party you are talking about is not the source of that quote. Read the whole article please before judging such things. Thanks.

This is what the article says: At the same time it was obviously considered a strong reaction to the wave of Pan Turkism, which advocated the idea of separation of Azerbaijan from Iran, posing a great threat to Iran's territorial integrity. This has nothing to do with that political party.Azerbaijani 23:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed prod tag from Satapes and moved it to Sataspes

Hi, I removed the prod tag you added to Satapes. From what I can tell, the article is actually about Sataspes. I've moved the article to that location and added a few links to the talk page for references I found. Unfortunately, I don't have time to add these to the article at the moment, but they should at least show that the article is about a real topic. ScottW 21:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Comments

Please make personal comments in my user page. Only put information that is directly related to keeping the article on the AfD page. I expect you put your comment in the correct page. Otherwise provide reasons as to why it is an argument to keep the article. Agha Nader 03:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

As I said before, I will only make personal comments on your talk page. And I require you to do the same. I insist that you look up the word "keen". There is absolutely nothing insinuating about asking why someone is keen on keeping a statement on the article. Agha Nader 22:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

You shouldn't be asking that kind of question if you have assumed good faith. If you accepted that I edit in good faith, the only reason I would want to keep "outranked" is because I feel that it adds to the article. It is not like I failed to provide sources for the "outranked" part. The whole question was insinuating, as my reasons for including "outranked" were clear; you were suggesting that I had "other" reasons for using the term. The Behnam 22:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Apparent Bias

It is apparent you are biased towards my nomination of the deletion to the article on Grand Ayatolloah Mohammad Ishaq Al-Fayyad. It was in fact you who proposed deleting this article. This was in a previous conversation. After I defeated you in the AfD for Farahnaz Pahlavi, you became sour. You also began following me around, and posting comments against me in the articles I have edited. It is clear that you are just sour about losing the AfD on Farahnaz Pahlavi. It is apparent you wish to debate me further, and thus follow me around. You have done so on the AfD on Grand Ayatolloah Mohammad Ishaq Al-Fayyad. Is this constructive to the improvement of Misplaced Pages?

I didn't propose deleting the article, so I do not know what you are talking about. I didn't become "sour", and no, this is NOT clear, despite what you claim. As far as I know, the only way I have "posted against you"(not a quote), is on the page for the Grand Ayatollah al-Fayadh, and this has nothing to do with Farahnaz Pahlavi. I noticed you edited the Iran-Germany Relations talk page not long after I made some edits when I checked the page. I suspected that you may have been following me around, but in any case, I actually fulfilled the request you made at the talk page. Then, I noticed the Fayadh stuff on your contribs page, including the nomination. Took a look at the page, thought it strange that a Grand Ayatollah was insignificant, did some research, and found that he was significant. Your accusations, especially those relating to the Farahnaz Pahlavi AFD, are utterly baseless, so you really oughtn't write such things. In no way is my opposition to the deletion of the al-Fayadh's page related to the previous AFD. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? The Behnam 04:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Hey. I suppose I should say the same thing to you that I said to Elnurso:

While I agree that the disputed material should be taken out for now, you might want to have a look at this: Misplaced Pages:Protection policy#Editing protected pages. In essence, by editing substance in a protected article, I would be forcing a point of view on the majority of editors who can't edit protected pages, which generally should not be done. There is already at {{totally-disputed-section}} tag there—I hope this will suffice for now. In the meantime, I highly recommend that you try following the dispute resoltuion process, and see if that works. If that fails, try making a request for mediation. Regards, Khoikhoi 06:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, If I unprotect the page right now, how do I know that the edit warring won't resume? The truth is, it most likely will—and it would be better if you could try to resolve the issue first, and then request unprotection. Khoikhoi 06:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could leave a (friendly) message at User talk:Azerbaijani? He seems to be the main user on the opposing side involved in the dispute. There are other other admins out there as well, perhaps you could ask some of them for advice. Khoikhoi 06:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

3o: Burk's Falls

Oka,y I re-removed that. Hopefully this war will cool off.--Wizardman 00:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion

My third opinion is that both you and User:Agha Nader should carefully read WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL, and take it easy on each other. :) Seraphimblade 04:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

MAZANDERAN

Present Mazandaran is that Mazandaran which remined in the SHanama, some scholars may think it is some where different, but Did you ever saw shanama ? did you ever hear the poems of Rameshgar ? Did you ever know who was Arash? where he born ? I will revert your all edits, Please don't insist to add what you would like --Ali 15:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Where was it ?

Ok, I am sure that it was not in eastern part of present day mazandaran province, neither located in yemen, nor located in syria, it was some where near or part of current mazanderan, did you ever hear about dimons ? DIV in shanama ? it is very popular in mazanderan, since many of towns are colled as Div kola, Div koti, which in mazanderani language means, house of divs, valley of divs, town of divs and more, Also i will add more alot information later, since my english is not perfect, even not professional, i need you to correcting them, Also i recommend you to reading this page , If any of them would be great, please don't hesitate to adding them to improving of articles about KINGDOM OF TABARIA, Await 4 ur reply --Ali 06:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Please let me about 10 days, during this week i am very busy, I will show you some evidences, did you hear this part of shanama when a mazanderani rameshgar describes mazanderan to the key kavous ?

a remind to mazandaran our country, I wish all of it's building keeped and some more ... Did you saw it ? --Ali 15:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Behnam, I found a book which i consider could be usefull for you, it has many of evidences about the location of Mazandaran, search ISBN 964-6189-01-6 Kind Regards --Ali 14:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Devdasi

Please read the article carefully. The designation of Devdasis as prostitutes is disputed by many so calling it as such violates WP:LEAD and WP:NPOV. The sources can be appropriately cited if one is careful about NPOV and not just trying to disparage Hindus. The matter is discussed carefully in the article so plz don't violate WP:LEAD by poisoning the reader's mind to a particular POV. Rumpelstiltskin223 04:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You know what we should do? Try to come up with a good lead that will be NPOV to all points of view. Those who call it prostitution (a form of anti-Hindu hatred largely meant to incite violence against Hindus) and those who explain that it is a form of symbolic sexuality through divinity and most of the literal sex acts are voluntary and unpaid so not technically prostitution. Rumpelstiltskin223 04:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Some of your refs are bogus. This one:

http://child-abuse.com/childhouse/childwatch/cwi/projects/indicators/prostitution/part1.html Does not even mention the term "Devdasi" but discusses a different practice of Child Prostitution not connected to religion.

Ths ref:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/grhf-asia/repro2/TULASA.html#Causes%20of%20child

Alleges Child Prostitution in Devdasi but does not say that it is normative, which you assert, so it is a misrepresentation on your part. The ref actually means that the Devdasi system is abused by some people to promote Child Prostitution, not that it is categorically child prostitution. Rumpelstiltskin223 05:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are misquslifying and misreading most of the work. Many "allege" that it is prostitution but offer little evidence to support it other than the usual "Hindus are animals kill them all" polemic we see so often nowadays. Allegations can, of course, be listed if they satisfy notability and they will. However, the bias of scholars should not affect the neutrality of an ancyclopedia, which must give equal credence to all significant viewpoints, including those of notable feminist groups and scholars that I cna cite who rubbish these assertions of prostitution. Lastly, youe post to my talk page shows that you do not know how to Assume Good Faith so please do. Rumpelstiltskin223 05:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)