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Salaam Beh wikipedia Khosh Amadid. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. --alidoostzadeh 06:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Heja has a long history of de-Persianizing WP. Dont be surprised. When you have clear reputable sources that dont mention any controversy, dont hesitate to engage in reverting these editors. Just be careful of the 3R rule, and keep your cool, and end your talk edits with a cheers:) just like they do. Good luck.--Zereshk 03:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Salam, I've seen that you've started working hard on wiki again and I saw the problem you have on the Serendipity page. Good work. --(Aytakin) | Talk 22:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Drood. Glad to have you. Keep up the good work.Khosrow II 21:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Azari Wiki

My azari is not good at all, but i know some people who know it so I'll ask them to see if its ok. I'll leave you a message to tell you what I've found. --(Aytakin) | Talk 11:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

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Salam

I am looking at the lewis issue.. I think we can add the fact that he proposed the partitioning of Iran and then link it to the anti-iranianism article. Would they accept that? --alidoostzadeh 20:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Turkish History Brief

Thank you for experimenting with the page Template:Turkish History Brief on Misplaced Pages. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia..Must 14:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

For Turk origin, please follow links of states in Template.You will see what origin is.regards.Must 14:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Pejman

Please enable your e-mail. --Mardavich 13:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

hi, I did that.--Pejman47 14:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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A bad faith nomination if there ever was one. Really encyclopedic behavior. Please see the website of the Royal Academy of Arts exhibition, co-created by a professor of Harvard University, entitled "Turks: The journey of a thousand years: 600-1600 .. It might help you with grasping certain concepts, notions and historical information that you are in sorely in need of acquiring. Baristarim 16:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Completely bad faith comments of non-academic character. Later Tang Dynasty Later Jin Dynasty Later Han Dynasty in China were founded by Shatuo Turks, see the relevant articles before you insult others by calling them pan-Turkist etc. Here is the link from Brittanica for Shatuo Turks . This is really unacademic and insulting behavior for such nominations to take place. Baristarim 16:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The level of hate and unacademic behavior is astounding. From the article Late Tang dynasty: It was also the first in a series of three dynasties ruled by the Shatuo Turks,. Got any more questions? I suggest you read the relevant articles, make some research on the subject before insulting others of "pan-Turkism". Is the Brittanica also pan-Turkist? Baristarim 16:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

So did you take a look at the articles and brittanica reference above and actually learned that your post to the AfD was completely wrong? You should learn the subject matter in its entireity before harassing articles. It is obvious who is making baseless accusations and engaging in non-academic behavior.Baristarim 17:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

the topic of the article is POV not the individual parts of it. (that is why it was nominated for AfD; not deleting that parts). any way please give your comments on that page. If you are right, there is no problem, an admin would keep that. --Pejman47 17:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

????? turks.org.uk is the official website of the Royal Academy of Arts exhibition, ok? I wonder if it is bad faith or something else at play here, check the BBC News story about it, and follow the link . That exhibition was co-created by a Harvard University professor.Baristarim 23:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

So did you take a look at Germanic Europe, Slavic Europe, Arab world, Latin Europe? Maybe you should since you claimed that there was no such article as Arabic States.. Funny that there is one :) Baristarim 16:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Turkic states

Please self-rv your last edit: . E had reverted his own edits because of 1RR ... now, you have reverted back to a wrong version. Regards. Tājik 20:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

sorry, done--Pejman47 20:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC);

Thank you. Tājik 20:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Heh, yes, i reverted to Tajik for the first time in my life. For the Turko-Persian Tradition article, please do not remove the wikifications and the references, it takes 15 mins to add them. You're always welcome to contribute, but please respect the fellow editors. Feel free to edit the newest version, rather than reverting cause reverting also removes the minor edits. We can discuss the issue at the talk/discussion pages. I'm getting bored of this edit/revert business. Regards. E104421 13:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Hi Pejman!

During last month I worked on this article. I would like to invite you and other Iranian wikipedians to see the article and help in improving it. I would like to invite you to see the parts on Iranian culture in particular. We have to stop people like Mohammad Ali Ramin and Fardid followers. They are destroying the country and culture. Long live Iran! Sina Kardar 15:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Since I wrote the article, it might somehow reflects my POV. I hope people contribute to this article and bring it to a good status. Then I will be happy to translate it into Persian. ba sepaas. Sina Kardar 13:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Indian Ocean

I think Persian Gulf is in Indian Ocean, but I am not sure. --Mardavich 17:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Persian Gulf is in Indian Ocean. --Mardavich 17:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know that, thanks--Pejman47 18:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

AfD

Hi,

I read your comments on this AfD and just wanted to make sure you knew that part of what makes this a fork is that this only deals with allegations regarding one side (instead of both), and that the small portion of the content which is encyclopaedic and worth keeping could easily be dealt with in an NPOV manner on the main article. Regardless of whether you reconsider your vote, thanks for your words and all the best. Cheers, Tewfik 02:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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Why are you reverting my additions? I spent a lot of time finding the sources and writing that intro. You reverted many additions that I had done in good faith with the aim of being precise. What objections? The sources are there, and the books cited are all visible.. Please do not do any blind reverts, it is not respectful to the work of others. Please see the specifics of the subject .. Why are you insisting on placing Persian before Byzantine? My last version was the academically precise version. Those sources mentioned are one from a forum and a book description and are not consistent with the actual words from the books of academics who have specifically written on this subject. Please look at my points in the link I gave above, and the books that I referenced. I tried in good faith to address the concerns raised and spent time rewriting that intro with the sources. Thanks Baristarim 16:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Two Articles in need of your attention

There are two entries at Misplaced Pages, which have falsely created -- they are Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition. Both entries are factitious. I have requested the entries to be deleted. My reasons are:

The term Turko-Persian Tradition (or Turco-Persian) does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture (Persian, Kurdish, Azari, Baluchi, Tajik, Luri, Gilaki, Talishi, Mazandarani, etc.), and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.

Any contributions would greatly appreciate – please add your comments, whether you agree with the deletion, or otherwise to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turco-Persian as well as Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turko-Persian Tradition. Bā Sepās Surena 02:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Careful with the word "vandalism"

You recently made a revert to the article Noam Chomsky, with the summary, "rv vandalism". The revert that you have done may be entirely justified, but it is certainly not vandalism. The author was attempting to make a good faith edit to the article, and you seem to have written it off as vandalism... why? It is not obscene, it is not a "hi mom", rather, it's pertinent and reasonable information for a wikipedia article. If the information was simply misplaced, then an edit placing the information to be in the appropriate place may be in order. If it doesn't fit style and recommendation guidelines, it would be better to fix it up, and turn it into brilliant prose. At the very worst, in this case of a good faith edit, a section could be opened in the Talk page, addressing the edit, and containing information about how best to handle the information, where it could be placed, or debating its need. But reverting such a good-faith edit under a banner of "vandalism", I feel is inappropriate, and irresponsible. You are however privy to your own opinions and views. Although, I, as only a single wikipedian editor, feel it would not be unreasonable to ask for a rational behind the classification of it as vandalism. --Puellanivis 23:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was actually just about to raise this very issue and am glad you brought it up Puellanivis. Please read WP:Vandalism to see what constitutes vandalism.--Jersey Devil 03:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You did this again in the following edit Please be more careful in what you refer to as vandalism in edit summaries.--Jersey Devil 06:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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?? I am sorry, but what are you talking about? Why should I be wasting my time stalking people? And what are you talking about, I am completely lost. I have other stuff to do... Cheers! Baristarim 19:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you mean this.. Well, read that policy again... Baristarim 19:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but after the harassment on the Ottoman architecture page, even after I spent so much time rewriting the intro and trying to address all the concerns in good faith, and after having left notes on the talk page and tried to contact all the users involved with extensive notes, I really don't think I am the one who needs to be warned for something. As a result, that article got protected, and my plan to further work on the article got delayed. That is also not fair nor cool. I spent a lot of time finding the precise academic sources and explaining the gradual development of the Ottoman architecture over the centuries, but no, people simply kept on blindly reverting me with two sources that were not sources at all, nor did their content warrant such an inclusion before Byzantine influence. Is that fair? Why hasn't anyone responded to my notes on their talk pages or the article's talk page? So please, take it easy... Baristarim 19:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, after the lock from Ottoman architecture is removed, we will discuss it. --Pejman47 21:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Khorasani Turkish

I dont know what the hell they are talking about. They are obviously getting their validation from here. Ethnologue describes it as: "Midway linguistically between Azerbaijani and Turkmen, but not a dialect of either".

But my dad is from Quchan. And from what I know, it's not a language. At most, just a variation on Azari Lahjeh. The article even contradicts itself. The phoenetics and sounds that have been described in the article only amount to dialectical variations. It's not the characteristic of a "language".

Honestly, I dont know how to deal with it. Maybe we should add clarifications. But we need sources for that. And right now, Im occupied with exams and lab projects that I have to finish.--Zereshk 03:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Salaam Pejman. You need to discuss on the talk page before making changes. It is very controversial, so consensus and agreement are especially important here. The Behnam 16:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)