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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

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Question

See Talk:Japan_and_the_Holocaust#Good_pictures?. Also, feel free to c/e and review this new tiny article I wrote. Surprised this didn't have a dedicated one yet. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Image reviews

Hi Buidhe, I hope you're well. I realise you may be very busy but I was hoping I could ask a favour of you, or two actually, over at FAC. Both 1987 Football League Third Division play-off Final and 2015 FA Cup Final could use image reviews, and I'd really appreciate it if you could do them? If not, no problem of course. Have a great weekend. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey, thanks very much for those, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Buidhe. It's not been long since I asked for a favour, so I can handle rejection...! If not, would you be kind enough to take a look at two FACs, similar in nature to those before, this time it's UEFA Euro 2012 Final and UEFA Euro 2016 Final? I think it should be relatively straightforward, but of course if you're busy on other things, no problem at all. Have a good weekend! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

No worries, image reviews are pretty quick. (t · c) buidhe 20:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Talk:The Holocaust in Byelorussia

Hi Buidhe, your view would be appreciated in the RM discussion. Thanks. —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Victim nationalism

Hello, Buidhe. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Victim nationalism".

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Sean O'Malley RM

Hello, this is a bit late, but would you mind re-opening the close at Talk:Sean O'Malley, based on my reading of the consensus, the support rationales except for the one provided by Yaksar were pretty light, and didn't substantially address the fact that one of the most significant Catholic cardinals of the last century in terms of influence is quite obviously the primary topic in terms of long-term significance. I'd like to add an oppose rationale to the RM, and I think it would be fairly strong. Given that the discussion was pretty lightweight in terms of analyzing the two people, I think restoring the status quo and relisting probably makes more sense than a new RM. Thanks, hope all is well. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

TonyBallioni I'd like to elaborate a bit on my close rationale since I didn't at the time. I felt that the supporting arguments expressed during the discussion (especially Yaksar's comment) were stronger than the opposing ones, and support had significantly more numerical support, so I didn't feel it would be correct to close as no-consensus. Obviously I did not consider any points that weren't raised in the discussion. However, it was a fairly well attended move and would require moving the pages back to reopen, so I feel that opening a new discussion would be more appropriate if you disagree with the closure. (t · c) buidhe 02:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't necessarily take issue with the closure, but I think it's also pretty normal to re-open those when someone has a substantive objection. The only argument on the move side that provided any substantial analysis was Yaksar's, and Necrothesp's point about the cardinal being the obvious primary topic based on significance was solidly grounded in policy.To put it in context: we've made someone who is a possible candidate for deletion at AfD (not sure how it'd go, but there's a possibility of deletion) as being more significant than the most significant figure in the Catholic Church's response to the sex abuse crisis. One of them probably won't have a Misplaced Pages article in 5-10 years. In 100 years, books will probably still be referencing Sean O'Malley's response to the Cardinal Law scandal upon his appointment as Archbishop of Boston.Basically, I don't fault your close, but it wasn't a robust discussion by any means, one of the participants was an IP, and no one really addressed the long-term significance point that Necrothesp brought up, and that's an extremely significant point from a policy perspective. When I was more involved with RMs, when someone came forward with a substantive objection to the close from a "this should be discussed more/wasn't addressed" standpoint, typically I'd normally do a courtesy relist, which is where I'm coming from. Basically there's a pretty strong policy rationale against this move that wasn't really discussed in-depth in the discussion, the move was relatively recent, and the burden shouldn't be on those advocating for the status quo to have to re-prove it after a discussion that didn't really say much. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:19, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I would second Tony's points and request for reopening. The cardinal is undoubtedly frequently referred to in reliable sources as Seán O'Malley, probably more than by his full name. He is clearly the primary topic for this name, as he obviously beats the fighter hands down on long-term significance (currently active sports figures are almost always going to prove primary if we only take pageviews into account), and I really don't think the presence of the acute accent is enough to provide decent disambiguation, as accents are often omitted. These points were addressed by only one of the contributors, with the others simply ignoring them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I'd appreciate a response to the above. Like I said, I think this is a fairly normal request for an RM without much substantive input, and I'm somewhat surprised it hasn't been reopened yet. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I really think a RM should only be reopened very soon after it's closed, within a reasonable frame for the RM to be continuously open. For example, an RM is closed after 7 days, the next day someone posts and asks it to be relisted, I would probably say yes. But a month after it's closed the only reason to be overturned if it was badly closed in the first place, which I don't think it was. Otherwise, it shouldn't be reopened for the same reason why move requests should not be left open for months. Long term significance was never addressed during the discussion. The only comment being that there's "no way the fighter is the primary topic". Such an assertion is not a strong argument without explaining why it's the primary topic (pageviews, coverage in reliable source, long-term significance, etc.) along with some evidence that supports the assertion. (t · c) buidhe 05:05, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with your characterization of the discussion, but the time thing is reasonable, but it also leaves us with a ridiculous result: this was very obviously the wrong outcome from a policy basis. The arguments for moving were extremely weak and had been rebutted (i.e. Seán vs. Sean), and a Google page count of a sports figure vs. a cardinal will obviously go with the sports figure while they are active, but it doesn't mean that they are more significant from a policy standpoint. There's a very good reason to have a discussion about this again, and it should take place from the status quo because the original move lacked a basis in policy. I don't mind being told I'm wrong here if the points are actually discussed. What I do mind is having to start from a place where we need an active consensus to undo a move that so very clearly is out of line with the page name policies and guidelines. The burden should be on those arguing for a move outside of the norm to provide evidence to support it. That never happened. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:50, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Anyway, no use litigating it here, and while I think it's the wrong call, a move review would be a waste of time. New RM opened. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:53, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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File rename

Hi Buidhe, you renamed File:José Fonte at the Portugal v. Poland UEFA Euro 2016 quarterfinal (cropped).jpg, but that's a picture of Jose Fonte, it's Eder, as I had renamed the crop. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

The Rambling Man Thanks, I've fixed it. Just FYI that on Commons, single names (first name or surname, even mononyms in some cases) are not usually specific enough to identify the person. There are a lot of people in the world named "Pepe" so there needs to be something else in the filename to identify, just like the footballer's article on enwiki has a disambiguator. (t · c) buidhe 21:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting period closing soon

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Question about image copyright

I've been spending some time trying to find a photo of a young David Attenborough to add to his article. My search is hampered by the fact I have no idea about copyright. As the guy is 95, I figured there is a chance the copyright of some of his youth photos would be expired. This news article shows that there are one or two photos older than 70 years of him for which the copyright is Associated Press and BBC. Is it possible that these have come into the public domain? Is the artist date of death still relevant, given the fact that copyright lies with the institutions? Thanks :). FemkeMilene (talk) 11:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

For AP, photographs published in the US without copyright notice before 1989 are not protected by copyright. This includes most AP photographs. See Misplaced Pages:Files_for_discussion/2020_October_5#File:Execution_of_Nguyen_Van_Lem.jpg and Misplaced Pages:Files_for_discussion/2020_October_5#File:The_Terror_of_War.jpg for discussions in which such files have been kept on this basis. Such files may be uploaded to enwiki but not Commons unless they are also free in the source country (probably UK in this case). In the UK the copyright would expire 70 years after publication, but only if there's no known author. Just because the author is not credited on a particular reproduction, however, does not necessarily mean that they're unknown. (see c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_Kingdom). Conversely, just because it's public domain in the UK does not necessarily mean it's free to use in the US. Those photographs originally published in the UK are likely copyrighted in US because of URAA. In terms of that Gentleman's Journal article, it's likely that some of the photographs are public domain, however, it's hard to say as it's unclear what the original date of publication was, what country they were originally published in, and whether copyright notice was used. (t · c) buidhe 12:03, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring

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turtle image review

Can you do an image review for turtle? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 16:36, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Romanian license

Hey, Buidhe.

You probably remember my FA submission. I see you haven't answered my last comment about the Romanian license for photos. Since the license only mentions "since creation", without specifying anything about the publication, shouldn't it be OK to use? I will try finding out more about the photos' copyright status.

Also, some of the photos taken in Czechoslovakia may have been taken by Romanian military commissions. Does that make the RO license apply to them?

Kind regards, Lupishor (talk) 09:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

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