| Revision as of 12:52, 4 November 2021 editRich Smith (talk | contribs)Account creators, Extended confirmed users, Page movers, IP block exemptions, New page reviewers, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers32,373 editsm Reverted edits by Officialanshumantiwari (talk) to last version by MediaWiki message deliveryTag: Rollback← Previous edit | Revision as of 03:54, 5 November 2021 edit undoNaomiAmethyst (talk | contribs)Edit filter managers, Extended confirmed users, Rollbackers, Template editors6,269 edits →ClueBot NG on SqWiki: Reply.Next edit → | ||
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| ::Yeah, I understand that because I read how it worked. I was thinking to maybe keep it on a kind of a "simulation" mode while it learned (maybe just don't give it the bot flag yet?) and later unleash it in full power. - ] (]) 11:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC) | ::Yeah, I understand that because I read how it worked. I was thinking to maybe keep it on a kind of a "simulation" mode while it learned (maybe just don't give it the bot flag yet?) and later unleash it in full power. - ] (]) 11:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC) | ||
| :::I don't think it quite works like that, the bot flag is irrelevant. {{Ping|Cobi}} could maybe assist as well? - ]<sup>]|]|]</sup> 11:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC) | :::I don't think it quite works like that, the bot flag is irrelevant. {{Ping|Cobi}} could maybe assist as well? - ]<sup>]|]|]</sup> 11:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC) | ||
| ::::At the very least, the bot needs a several tens of thousands of randomly sampled main-space edits categorized as good or bad to even have a chance of being reasonably accurate, but ideally more. I also do not speak Albanian, so I couldn't reasonably offer support for false positives or anything like that. The bot itself is open source, and most of the tooling should be in the repo. | |||
| ::::It seems that {{u|DamianZaremba}}'s been reworking some of the training tooling, but the original training tooling is mostly . It's a bit of a mess since it is mostly a snapshot of some of our working directories back when we were originally training the bot. The basic idea was there was a MySQL database called EditDB, and it had a table called . | |||
| ::::Tools like took data in on stdin in the form of "123456 V" or "234567 C" to mark revid 123456 as vandalism and revid 234567 as constructive. Tools like would then emit XML suitable for training the bot's core from the edits in the EditDB. Tools like were built to find other ways of generating classifications like by checking if someone reverted real-world edits. This was not as effective as the smaller (but still large) hand-curated datasets. | |||
| ::::Finally, after using generateXML.php to generate train.xml, trial.xml, and bayestrain.xml in the editsets directory (we used limit clauses to split the files, with 0-16000 in bayestrain.xml, 16000-60000 in train.xml, and the rest in trial.xml), we then ran to train the bot and then get metrics on the efficacy of the bot. There are also tools like which attempts to explore reasonable ANN parameters which are stored in and what we believe to be reasonable values for training datasets between 50,000 and 100,000 edits. | |||
| ::::If any of that made some sort of sense, you may wish to give it a go. If not, maybe find a bot dev on SqWiki that has time and desire to curate and run a SqWiki version? -- ]<sup>(]|]|])</sup> 03:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Tech News: 2021-43
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ClueBot NG on SqWiki
Hey Rich!
I'm a crat from SqWiki. These days I was shown ClueBot NG from a user when I asked him advice in fighting vandalism. Would it be possible to make ClueBot NG work in wikis other than EnWiki? We (and I believe a lot of other wikis as well) would be really grateful to benefit from it if it was possible. - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:49, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: it can, however I needs a lot of training data. Pinging @DamianZaremba: to see if he can provide more input to what is required - Rich 07:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I understand that because I read how it worked. I was thinking to maybe keep it on a kind of a "simulation" mode while it learned (maybe just don't give it the bot flag yet?) and later unleash it in full power. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think it quite works like that, the bot flag is irrelevant. @Cobi: could maybe assist as well? - Rich 11:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- At the very least, the bot needs a several tens of thousands of randomly sampled main-space edits categorized as good or bad to even have a chance of being reasonably accurate, but ideally more. I also do not speak Albanian, so I couldn't reasonably offer support for false positives or anything like that. The bot itself is open source, and most of the tooling should be in the repo.
- It seems that DamianZaremba's been reworking some of the training tooling, but the original training tooling is mostly here. It's a bit of a mess since it is mostly a snapshot of some of our working directories back when we were originally training the bot. The basic idea was there was a MySQL database called EditDB, and it had a table called editset.
- Tools like editClassificationToEditDB.php took data in on stdin in the form of "123456 V" or "234567 C" to mark revid 123456 as vandalism and revid 234567 as constructive. Tools like generateXML.php would then emit XML suitable for training the bot's core from the edits in the EditDB. Tools like autodatasetgen.go were built to find other ways of generating classifications like by checking if someone reverted real-world edits. This was not as effective as the smaller (but still large) hand-curated datasets.
- Finally, after using generateXML.php to generate train.xml, trial.xml, and bayestrain.xml in the editsets directory (we used limit clauses to split the files, with 0-16000 in bayestrain.xml, 16000-60000 in train.xml, and the rest in trial.xml), we then ran trainandtrial.sh to train the bot and then get metrics on the efficacy of the bot. There are also tools like autotraintrial.php which attempts to explore reasonable ANN parameters which are stored in localtoolconfig and what we believe to be reasonable values for training datasets between 50,000 and 100,000 edits.
- If any of that made some sort of sense, you may wish to give it a go. If not, maybe find a bot dev on SqWiki that has time and desire to curate and run a SqWiki version? -- Cobi 03:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think it quite works like that, the bot flag is irrelevant. @Cobi: could maybe assist as well? - Rich 11:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I understand that because I read how it worked. I was thinking to maybe keep it on a kind of a "simulation" mode while it learned (maybe just don't give it the bot flag yet?) and later unleash it in full power. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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