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this article should integrate the article ]. A study in ''Neuere Forschungen in Linguistik und Philologie aus dem Kreise seiner Schüler Ludwig Erich Schmitt zum 65. Geburtstag gewidmet''. Steiner, 1975, discusses the issue of divisions of Bergish in depth, rejecting the term ''niederbergisch'' (''Low Bergisch''). Furthermore, the Internet makes rare use of the terms both ''Low Bergish'' and ''Western Bergish''. ] (]) 15:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC) this article should integrate the article ]. A study in ''Neuere Forschungen in Linguistik und Philologie aus dem Kreise seiner Schüler Ludwig Erich Schmitt zum 65. Geburtstag gewidmet''. Steiner, 1975, discusses the issue of divisions of Bergish in depth, rejecting the term ''niederbergisch'' (''Low Bergisch''). Furthermore, the Internet makes rare use of the terms both ''Low Bergish'' and ''Western Bergish''. ] (]) 15:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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== Scheme of Bergish dialect area ==

Hello.
Klaus J. Mattheier (ed.): Aspekte der Dialekttheorie. Tübingen 1983, p. 76 has the following division of Bergish around the respective localities, the area around Velbert and Breitscheid much larger resprectively than the others:
*Werden
*Mülheim
*Velbert
*Breitscheid
**Cronenberg
***Elberfeld
***Barmen
*partly in brackets
**Solingen
**Haan
*also partly in brackets: Mündelheim

Kind regards,
] (]) 16:18, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Definition of Bergish

Hello,

the scope of Bergish in the body of the article includes South Bergish and divides Bergish into Low Bergish and East Bergish. This contradicts . Hence I suggest an only secondary coverage of the aforementioned terminology. Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

The aforementioned work discusses the issue, which dialects are part of Bergish, in depth. The lists of the :current revision of the article are based on this work. The current body of the article is based on several isoglosses, such as those at the following site: https://rheinische-landeskunde.lvr.de//de/sprache/sprachatlas/dialektkarten/rheinischer_faecher/rheinischer_faecher_1/detailseite_159.html I would like to adapt the article to the former work.
--Sarcelles (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Having suggested a move of Low Bergish at the relevant talk page, I advocate a merger of this article with the other and a creation of a disambiguation page.Sarcelles (talk) 18:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Strukturelle historische Dialektologie des Deutschen: Strukturhistorische und strukturgeographische Studien zur Vokalentwicklung deutscher Dialekte Peter Wiesinger

Georg Olms Verlag, 01.11.2017 assigns a not very big role to Uerdingen Line and is critical of the terms Low Bergish and East Bergish. Sarcelles (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

It doens't have East Bergish as separate from Bergish.Sarcelles (talk) 19:47, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. Neuere Forschungen in Linguistik und Philologie aus dem Kreise seiner Schüler Ludwig Erich Schmitt zum 65. Geburtstag gewidmet. Steiner, 1975, p. 82

Merger discussion

Hello, this article should integrate the article Low Bergish. A study in Neuere Forschungen in Linguistik und Philologie aus dem Kreise seiner Schüler Ludwig Erich Schmitt zum 65. Geburtstag gewidmet. Steiner, 1975, discusses the issue of divisions of Bergish in depth, rejecting the term niederbergisch (Low Bergisch). Furthermore, the Internet makes rare use of the terms both Low Bergish and Western Bergish. Sarcelles (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Scheme of Bergish dialect area

Hello. Klaus J. Mattheier (ed.): Aspekte der Dialekttheorie. Tübingen 1983, p. 76 has the following division of Bergish around the respective localities, the area around Velbert and Breitscheid much larger resprectively than the others:

  • Werden
  • Mülheim
  • Velbert
  • Breitscheid
    • Cronenberg
      • Elberfeld
      • Barmen
  • partly in brackets
    • Solingen
    • Haan
  • also partly in brackets: Mündelheim

Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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