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Seeking your expertise

@Paul Siebert - could you please take a look at this conversation --> when you get a chance? Please tell me what you think. I’m a little shocked but I just want to make sure that I’m correct it my judgment. - GizzyCatBella🍁 19:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Mass killings under communist regimes

Per the DSN protocol I'm notifying you about an ongoing Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes process. Cloud200 (talk) 06:38, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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Holodomor genocide question (Simon Payaslian article on Oxford Bibliographies)

I know you have cited that 2018 academic review, where no consensus have been found, but have you looked at this? How much weight does that have? Is the genocide question over? Thank you. Davide King (talk) 10:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Unrelated addendum

I do not know if you have read this but your comment here perfectly explains what I meant, and is why the topic should be your summary of "Communism as the greatest mass murder", because it shows that we simply cannot have any under Communist regimes article, even if it was about the more accurate excess mortality terminology, because scholars do not do such generalizations and/or categorizations. It still borders on OR/SYNTH because, correct me if wrong, majority sources are not writing in the context of Communism grouping but within each country's context, and the only grouping is Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot (e.g. Jones, Karlsson, and Valentino, though Jones discusses Mao and Stalin together and Pol Pot separated, which prove the generic Communist grouping is not good or even followed by majority scholars). Davide King (talk) 18:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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my !vote

A very long time ago (in Misplaced Pages terms), I noted your patience and civility; it was something which I found both necessary and useful to emulate. That said, I'm practically apologetic for my !vote at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mass killings under communist regimes (4th nomination) given how much effort, in utter good faith, you've made in relation to that article. However, I can't but see it as one of the most egregious examples of an article driven by ideological purposes congenitally laced with POV and SYNTHESIS. Kind regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 09:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. --Paul Siebert (talk) 14:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

While I truly appreciate your comment here (you were right to respond), I think it is a waste to discuss with them (unless you can summarize their falsehoods and misleading comments in just a few sentences), and I would hope that you can address and debunk 'Keep' votes that say there are no issues. Also what are your thoughts on this? Editing the article, and making such edits (see diffs), while an AfD is ongoing ... is disrupting to say the least ... Goldsztajn is also free to comment on this. Davide King (talk) 15:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. @Cloud200: presented rational arguments that are based on reliable sources. Until I got ironclad evidences of the opposite, I assume she sincerely misunderstand some important concepts, probably, because she has no access to high quality sources. Paul Siebert (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

My only wish is that whoever close this (I agree it would be better to have a panel) find the time and way to read such rebuttals of yours. This is a rational argument for 'Keep' that may be worth discuss. Davide King (talk) 18:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

As so much is going on, you may have missed this. It is relevant because "adding it to my long collection of quotes from Siebert and Kinge who run around teaching others about WP:NPOV while at the same time justifying ones between them" may be considered one more of the many personal attacks and false accuses they have made. "And yes, what I'm doing here is accusing you of WP:DE and I'm determine to take this further as I can clearly see you have now replicated the same tactics in the DRN and AfD." Davide King (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Here, Nug is removing any academic criticism and mention of mainstream scholars who do not support a global Communist death toll ... Davide King (talk) 14:12, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I have ignored them but if want, you may respond to Cloud200's latest comments here and here. Davide King (talk) 14:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Principle of relativity

Hello sir i want to know about principle of relativity explained by Einstein and I am seeking your help can you please explain 2409:4072:6E8C:9E65:BB88:E568:5B35:ADEF (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Civil POV

Didn't know what that meant until today. But - to the layperson, you certainly fit the bill. 2001:56A:F8E7:5A00:783F:FB6:C04E:C4EA (talk) 04:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Readibilty

Hello. It's good to know, my efforts are appreciated. GoodDay (talk) 21:29, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

??? Paul Siebert (talk) 21:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay: It seems now I understand what you mean. It was a technical glitch. Sorry. Paul Siebert (talk) 21:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit deleted comments

Hi - with this edit you seem to have deleted my comment and that of X-Editor and GoodDay. Can you clean up, please. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea how that could happen. Let's think how to fix that. Paul Siebert (talk) 21:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Adopt my solution. GoodDay (talk) 21:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Already done. Paul Siebert (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 22:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

"Hegemonic representations of the past and digital agency: Giving meaning to 'The Soviet Story' on social networking sites"

Do you have access to "Hegemonic representations of the past and digital agency: Giving meaning to 'The Soviet Story' on social networking sites"? I am curious because I found a passage saying: "By using Editor Interaction Analyzer (nd), 7 we can see that more than two users have also co-edited other Misplaced Pages articles, such as 'Russophobia,' 'Occupation of the Baltic States,' and 'Mass killings under Communist regimes.' Furthermore, different perspectives on the ... ." I am curious about the context and what is saying exactly.

Davide King (talk) 10:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

"Regardless of the fact that some users are anonymous or avoid revealing detailed information about their offline identities, we can still outline basic features of this active core. As Table 1 shows, the location of Misplaced Pages editors extends from Australia to North America to Latvia.6 Some of the users in their profile information emphasize their ability to speak Latvian (YYYYYY, ZZZZZ) or Russian (AAAAAA, BBBBBBBB). The most active editors have also edited other Misplaced Pages articles related to Soviet, East European, Russian, and Baltic issues and some of them evidently know each other as they have co-edited and interacted within other thematically related articles. By using Editor Interaction Analyzer (n.d.), we can see that more than two users have also co-edited other Misplaced Pages articles, such as “Russophobia,” “Occupation of the Baltic States,” and “Mass killings under Communist regimes.” Furthermore, different perspectives on the Soviet Union that become salient within the article The Soviet Story can be observed more or less explicitly in other articles as well. For example, while YYYYYY and XXX highlight the dark side of the Soviet Union, AAAAAA and BBBBBBB are inclined to neutralize its negative aspects. This interaction at times resembles edit wars, where parts of articles are intentionally deleted or renewed. On the whole, it can be fairly argued that a relatively small group of (inter)active Misplaced Pages editors who have constructed the discourse on The Soviet Story can be associated with knowledgeable memory agents who at best are able to maneuver through different social representations of 1940s history."

I removed actual usernames. Paul Siebert (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Could you also summarizes what is arguing and is the point of the article? Also, I found very interesting what you write here. Thank you for all your work. Davide King (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It observers the rather obvious; POV pushers dominate: "These distinctive online memory agents seem to be geopolitically and nationally inclined individuals rather than disinterested enthusiasts of SNS ." --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Pardon me Paul, for several reasons actually, I read a lot. @Goldsztajn: I only get the abstract, what is a 'memory agent' in that context? ~ cygnis insignis 08:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cygnis insignis: users of social networks who actively participate online in historical discussions. FWIW, I leave it for others to judge whether to draw any conclusions about the author given this in their bio: "Kaprāns has published on a wide range of topics, including post-communist biographical discourse and reception of Borat." Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 08:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

There is the title of a crucial article somewhere in that quote. ~ cygnis insignis 08:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You pinged me

I do not have enough time these days to even keep up with all the postings about Mkucr, let alone actively participate. I do check in from time to time to see if anything major has changed. I deliberately stayed out of the Afd. I still have the same opinions and still have the same reading of policy/guideline requirements, but I can't be active at least the rest of the year. AmateurEditor (talk) 06:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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