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2006 and 2007

Discussion page content from years 2006 and 2007 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 1 (2006 and 2007).—Roman Spinner (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

2008 and 2009

Discussion page content from years 2008 and 2009 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 2 (2008 and 2009). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

2010 and 2011

Discussion page content from years 2010 and 2011 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 3 (2010 and 2011). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

2012 and 2013

Discussion page content from years 2012 and 2013 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 4 (2012 and 2013). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

2014 and 2015

Discussion page content from years 2014 and 2015 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 5 (2014 and 2015). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

2016 and 2017

Discussion page content from years 2016 and 2017 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 6 (2016 and 2017). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

2018 and 2019

Discussion page content from years 2018 and 2019 is located at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 7 (2018 and 2019). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Jan 22: WikiWednesday Salon NYC

January 22, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. Wednesday January 22 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 20:08, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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Saturday Jan 25: Met 'Understanding America' Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

Jan 25, 12:30pm: Met 'Understanding America' Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for the Met 'Understanding America' Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Together, we'll expand Misplaced Pages articles on American history and art, and the understanding that all communities bring to American culture, as reflected in the Met collection up until ca. 1900. With refreshments, and there will be a wiki-cake! Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided. Saturday Jan 25 Met 'Understanding America' Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan (note this is just south of the main entrance) Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm, and some wiki-visitors may wish to take this opportunity to see exhibits together after the formal event. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends, colleagues and students! --Wikimedia New York City Team 21:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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Feb 19: WikiWednesday Salon NYC

February 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. Wednesday February 19 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 21:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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March 18: First ever ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

March 18, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. This month, as part of Wikimedia NYC's commitment to the well-being of members, we will hold WikiWednesday online via Zoom videoconferencing! To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. Wednesday March 18 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm online via Zoom We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 04:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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"Poopsie" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Poopsie. Since you had some involvement with the Poopsie redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Bulcultorator (talk) 13:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

April 22: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

April 22, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-8pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. This month, as part of Wikimedia NYC's commitment to the well-being of members, we will hold WikiWednesday online via Zoom videoconferencing! To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! This month, we've invited Esther Jackson of the New York Botanical Garden to join us for an Earth Day focused conversation. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. Wednesday April 22 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30) We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 23:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Sat May 9: Symposium on Misplaced Pages and COVID-19

Symposium on Misplaced Pages and COVID-19 (May 9)

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for a Symposium on Misplaced Pages and COVID-19, which aims to answer questions the public may have about Misplaced Pages's coverage of the pandemic. The event includes four speakers, all of whom are active contributors to the topic area on Misplaced Pages, but bring different perspectives, backgrounds, and interests. The event is free and open to the public, broadcast live on YouTube and Facebook, and questions taken from viewers on these platforms. Abstracts and speaker bios are available on the event page. Symposium on Misplaced Pages and COVID-19 Saturday May 9, 6:00PM - 8:00PM EST (22:00 - 24:00 UTC) online via YouTube and Facebook

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Category:Year of birth missing (living people) has been nominated for deletion

Category:Year of birth missing (living people) has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Atlantic306 (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

May 20: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

May 20, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-8pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. This month, as part of Wikimedia NYC's commitment to the well-being of members, we will hold WikiWednesday online via Zoom videoconferencing! To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! This month, we'll focus on WikiProject New York City and our favorite local articles, as well as Wiki Loves Pride past and future. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. Wednesday May 20 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30) We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

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June 17: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

June 17, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-8pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. This month, as part of Wikimedia NYC's commitment to the well-being of members, we will hold WikiWednesday online via Zoom videoconferencing! To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! This month, we'll check in on the global WikiCup race and have as featured speaker our local champion and frontrunner, who is trying to win it by writing as many new New York City articles as possible, as well as other local and global topics. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. Wednesday June 17 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30) We especially encourage folks to add your 3-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

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Thank you

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	Well done for continuing to work in the disambiguation and redirects area, and so successfully, over the last while.

Boleyn (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• After fourteen-and-a-half years of near-daily editing, I have my first barnstar. Considering the source, it means even more to me. I am grateful for your kind commendation and regret my resistance to your heartfelt posting in April 2014, above, regarding my overlong dab page write-ups. I arrived late to that lesson, but I have learned it. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Anthroponymy project

I saw that you added the Anthroponymy project to Roberto Fernández (disambiguation). You might not have been aware, but the project is typically interest in only given names and surnames, not disambiguation pages to full names. There is no need to add to other full name dabs in the future. Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagumba (talk • contribs) 08:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the explanation and will no longer add the Anthroponymy template to full name disambiguation pages. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 13:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Sun Aug 16: Great American Wiknic NYC & Beyond

August 16, 3pm: Great American Wiknic

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our annual summer Great American Wiknic, this year being held virtually. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! Featuring artist-Wikimedian Sara Clugage's "Picnics: An Outside History" for a cultural exploration of picnicking, knowledge and society during the national panel in the first part. We encourage you to call in for the second part from a local park or natural site and share it on the video stream, as well as sharing your favorite picnic grub or other special foods with us. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. The Wiknic is taking the place of "WikiWednesday" this month, so we will also include salon and knowledge-sharing workshop aspects. Sunday August 16 Great American Wiknic NYC. 3:00 pm - 4:00 pm online via YouTube (watch our national panel's livestream, and participate by text chat) 4:00 pm - 5:00 pm online via Zoom (participate by videoconference with NYC community) We especially encourage folks to share your parks and foods on screen, and add your 3-minute lightning talks to our roster for the Zoom portion, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

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Hi

Hi, you're generally a sensible and experience editor whom I respect. What are you proposing? Treating Vietnamese fonts on en.wp differently from all other Latin fonts? If so, why? This is as massive and as disruptive a change as anyone could support, and the previous advocates of the diacritic wars 10 years ago mainly ended up with C-bans. What do you want to see happen to existing MOS practice. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your contacting me regarding this matter. As a Polish-Ukrainian immigrant to the U.S. who has supported / championed the use of Polish diacritics and the use of Ukrainian, rather than Russian, transliterations for Oleh Sentsov, Kyiv, Odesa, etc, I am not hypocritically opposed to the use of accents and diacritics in the main title headers of those English Misplaced Pages entries which support such use. Thus, since Polish director Ryszard Bolesławski was credited in Hollywood as Richard Boleslawski, I did not make an issue of it. These matters need to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, rather than as one-size-fits-all. In cases such as those of Evelyne Brochu, Monica Puig or Talk:Vasyl Ivanchuk#Requested move 18 April 2020, that is how the subjects of those Misplaced Pages entries style themselves.

As for the case at hand, I would go as far as favoring the establishment of a two-tier system for non-diacritically-depicted key names and places associated with the Vietnam War that had appeared on a near-daily basis in English-language newspapers and magazines of that era and continue to be rendered in such historical form to this day. I accept the argument that the Vietnamese-diacritic headers can be easily accessed via redirects, but a select grouping of names starting with Ho Chi Minh, Nguyen Van Thieu and Nguyen Cao Ky should have their main headers in the Anglicized forms.

Ultimately, it is a matter of WP:COMMONNAME and, while the argument can be legitimately made that such names as (per your mention) Lech Wałęsa and, for that matter, Nicolae Ceaușescu, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan or the ancient Polish capital of Kraków are also usually depicted without diacritics in the English-speaking world, thus opening Misplaced Pages to an accusation of cultural bias in favor of Latin-scripted European alphabets, all of these arguments should be considered in light of reliable sources, longevity of use and English-language print media style guides. In the end, since it is near-impossible to satisfy everyone, no consensus (or possibly consensus) will have the final word. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Roman, I did wonder from the name Roman whether you might be Polish-American, but the above discussion seems to relate more to your view on Anglicising Ana Ivanovic despite her being as Serbian as you are American. Back to the few Vietnamese whom Americans have heard of. You are aware then of a MOS problem when the 3 or 4 Vietnamese known to Americans (or indeed Australians etc) occur in different font from all other Vietnamese. This is clearly as misreading of the principles of consistency and MOS. This creates then a housework problem for editors. That's the main problem here. Apart from the lingering suspicion from 10 years ago (not you) about some editors reacting to Asians differently than East Europeans. Also you'll note from previous outing 10 years ago that one of the reasons the community decided to treat MOS consistently was the below section of WP:RS. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

• WP:CONTEXTMATTERS
• WP:RSCONTEXT

The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Misplaced Pages article and is an appropriate source for that content. In general, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication. Information provided in passing by an otherwise reliable source that is not related to the principal topics of the publication may not be reliable; editors should cite sources focused on the topic at hand where possible. Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in the Misplaced Pages article.

Hi In ictu oculi, I was born and raised as well as early-schooled in Soviet Ukraine and then in Poland. However, I arrived in the US at the age of 12 and have been living here for 59 years, into my retirement. Based on my linguistic experience, I tend to support accents and diacritics when the native form is predominant, but also support WP:USEENGLISH when such form exists.

As I previously mentioned, each RM needs to be considered on a case-by-case basis. I was the one who added the Polish diacritic to the main title header for Joanna Pacuła and I would oppose the removal of diacritics from the header for Rade Šerbedžija since that is how those two actors were credited in their home country productions at the start of their film careers. However, if they were to contact English Misplaced Pages in the manner of Talk:Vasyl Ivanchuk#Requested move 18 April 2020 and ask for the removal of the diacritics which they do not use in their English-language films, I would support their wishes.

Of course there will always be inconsistencies. There was no consensus for returning Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to Nguyen Van Thieu, but other names such as Ho Chi Minh, Nguyen Van Thinh or Ngo Dinh Diem remain at their Anglicized forms and, since Misplaced Pages, in addition to its own Manual of Style, tends to follow the standard style guides, that is how those names appear there.

One of participants at Talk:Ana Ivanovic#Requested move 18 August 2020 wrote that "it is incredibly inconsistent to have article titles like this: Ivanovic–Janković rivalry", but Ana Ivanovic lives in Chicago, while Jelena Janković lives in Dubai and neither likely continues using diacritics in their daily lives. Again, however, if Ana Ivanovic were to take the same steps as Vasyl Ivanchuk, I would immediately support the restoration of the diacritic to her name. The same goes for Monica Puig who also lives in Chicago, not in Puerto Rico.

As inconsistent as Ivanovic–Janković may seem, it is not nearly as inconsistent as the father-son inconsistency of Polish diplomat Tadeusz Brzeziński and American presidential national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was born in Poland and did not become a US citizen until he was 30 years old. None of Zbigniew's three children — Ian Brzezinski, Mark Brzezinski and Mika Brzezinski — uses the diacritic in their grandfather's name. Tadeusz Brzeziński's other son, engineer Lech Brzeziński did use the diacritic, but his son, Matthew Brzezinski does not use it (see Brzeziński).

There many examples for other languages which can be cited for continuation of this topic. However, there are different groupings — heads of state and other leaders such as Lech Wałęsa, Nicolae Ceaușescu or Ho Chi Minh (depending on how each specific name appears in major style guides), sports/chess/etc personalities, depending on whether or not they live in their home country and upon their preference on social media and other factors and, to end for now, actors whose stage names may differ from country to country.

For example, English-language actors Željko Ivanek and Malin Akerman, who have lived in the English-speaking world since childhood, have taken a different approach to stage name diacritics — Ivanek insists in keeping the diacritics in his billing, while Akerman has never used the diacritic in her billing (despite the main title header, Malin Åkerman, of her English Misplaced Pages entry). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

"The Maltese Falcon (1936 film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect The Maltese Falcon (1936 film). The discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 18#The Maltese Falcon (1936 film) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Socratic Barnstar
		A Socratic Barnstar in honour of the excellence of your argument in opposition to moving Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya's wiki page Arianna the First (talk) 07:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

An honor indeed. I am most grateful to receive it and very much appreciate your kindness in bestowing it. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

September 6th: NYC COVID-19 Multilingual Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon - ONLINE

September 6, 2-4pm E.S.T: NYC COVID-19 Multilingual Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon - ONLINE

You are invited to join the Sure We Can community for our NYC COVID-19 Multilingual Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon - ONLINE - this Sunday, Sept 6th, 2020. The edit-a-thon is part of Sure We Can's work with NYC Health + Hospitals to stop the spread of Covid-19. We plan to work on translating the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City article into other languages; as well as, brainstorm ideas about how we could use wikipedia to slow the spread of Covid-19. Please join us, all skill levels welcome! Is there an idea you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? Have an idea how we can use wikipedia to slow the spread of Covid-19? Please, let us know by adding it to the agenda. Sunday September 6 NYC COVID-19 Multilingual Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon - ONLINE (optional RSVP on-wiki). 2:00pm - 4:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms available)

--Wil540 art (talk) 20:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment on Talk:Kiev

Hi User:Roman Spinner. Thank you for your comment on Talk:Kiev - it is accurate and timely. I know that these days it is not easy for you to make any comments on Talk:Kiev (my July 5 comment that was, regretfully, removed by sysop El_C (diff) succinctly summarized how several pro-Kiev editors and sysops over the course of multiple years harassed and repeatedly threatened to block you for merely voicing your opinion why Kyiv is now the correct spelling of Ukraine's capital) and this is why it is even more valuable.--73.75.115.5 (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I am grateful for your kind words and for your ceaseless efforts on behalf of Kyiv which finally culminated in the widely-noted successful conclusion. As I noted one year and nine months ago in a reply at User talk:Roman Spinner/Archive 7 (2018 and 2019)#I can not send you a message above, the road seemed to be a long one, but thanks to your endeavor, the votes of all the Wikipedians who supported the move, as well as unforeseen world events, the destination proved to be closer than expected. The next, although lesser, hurdle can be spotted of course in the discussion at Talk:Odessa#Renaming (September 2020) which may benefit from the accelerated pace demonstrated by the climax of the Kyiv discussions.

I also appreciate your link to my January 2019 comments but, unlike some editors who were browbeaten into leaving Misplaced Pages as a result of actual threats and harassment, I have not felt myself subjected to such treatment. These are deeply felt contentious topics which may result in occasionally negative personal interactions but, at the end of the editing day, I am grateful for the opportunity to interact with fellow Wikipedians and exchange ideas which become part of the historical record for decades and, hopefully, centuries to come. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Roman Spinner

Thank you for creating Rebecca Stephens.

User:Paine Ellsworth, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Excellent dab page! In the future please be sure to update the talk page and to create the "Foo (disambiguation)" redirect. Thank you very much!

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Paine Ellsworth}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

P.I. Ellsworth  ed.  01:28, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: I appreciate your kind compliment, but cannot take the credit for the creation of the Rebecca Stephens disambiguation page. My sole creation was a redirect which another editor expanded into the dab page four weeks later. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

LOL yes that's happened to me before as well. I'm sure you know that when you review a page, there is a place for comments, and those are forwarded to the original page creator rather than to a secondary editor who actually changed the redirect into a content page. I didn't catch what had happened until after I had reviewed the page, so I figured you would set me straight :>) and thank you for doing so! P.I. Ellsworth  ed.  05:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for waiting a week before posting a response (my computer just returned from ten days at the MAC/PC Guys repair shop) and my thanks for your much more prompt (22 minutes) reply. Also, taking advantage of this opportunity, in view of the main title header Kiev having been moved to Kyiv, my even more belated thanks for your close at another Ukrainian requested move — Talk:Oleg Sentsov#Requested move 21 October 2016. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that is an old one! Guess I made a few non-friends there and at the ensuing MRV. Live and learn. It's a pleasure to help. P.I. Ellsworth  ed.  08:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Sat Sep 26: Met Fashion Virtual Edit Meet-up

September 26, 12:30pm: Met Fashion Virtual Edit Meet-up

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community and the Metropolitan Museum of Art for our The Met x Misplaced Pages Virtual Edit Meet-up: Met Fashion. This is a follow-up to last year's successful MetFashion 2019, and will follow a similar theme optimized for a remote online experience. We will be partially coordinating with the international Wiki Loves Fashion campaign. Watch and join the livestream! The Metropolitan Museum of Art event on Saturday Sep 26 will host a tutorial and question-and-answer session live on YouTube and other social media platforms. 12:30 pm - 1:30 pm - Presentation 1:30 pm - 2:30 pm - Guidance and Q&A Chat about improving articles! Support will be provided to help guide new editors in this area at Wikimedia Fashion Chat for the duration of the campaign. The Met x Misplaced Pages Virtual Edit Meet-up: Met Fashion (Metropolitan Museum of Art)

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October 21: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

October 21, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-8pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! In honor of Wikidata's 8th birthday earlier this month, we especially encourage lightning talks related to Wikidata and Wikidata adjacent projects and tools. We'll also discuss the recent proposal to change the Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws, including the Statement of Opposition from Wikimedia NYC. Wednesday October 21 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30)

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November 21st ~ NYC COVID-19: Environmental Justice in Public Health Edit-A-Thon - ONLINE

November 21st, 11am-1pm E.S.T: NYC COVID-19: Environmental Justice in Public Health Edit-A-Thon - ONLINE

Hello Roman Spinner!! You are invited to join the Brooklyn based Sure We Can community for our 2nd NYC COVID-19 themed Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon / translate-a-thon - ONLINE - this Saturday, Nov 21st, 2020 11am - 1pm. The edit-a-thon is part of Sure We Can's work with NYC Health + Hospitals to stop the spread of Covid-19. We plan to continue to work on translating the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City article into the many languages spoken in New York City; as well as, work on other ideas about how wikipedia could slow the spread of Covid-19. Please join us, we'd love to see you (online). Saturday November 21 NYC COVID-19: Environmental Justice in Public Health Edit-A-Thon - ONLINE (optional RSVP on-wiki). 11:00am - 1:00 pm E.S.T online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms available)

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October 18: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC (plus weekend editathons)

October 18, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-8pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! This month we've invited the creators of instagram accounts @depthsofwikipedia and @wikipediapictures to chat with us about their Wiki* appreciation accounts. If there's a project you'd like to share or a question you'd like answered, just let us know by adding it to the agenda or responding to this message. Wednesday November 18 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30) Editathons this coming Saturday You are also invited to join thse two editathon on Saturday November 21: NYC COVID-19: Environmental Justice in Public Health Edit-a-thon - Sat Nov 21, 11am-1pm Misplaced Pages Asia Month Edit-a-thon on Exhibition Histories - Sat Nov 21, 12pm-5pm

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I'd like to thank you, as a Circassian, for acknowledgeing the real side of events in the discussion. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~ 14:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

The value of this award is most appreciated. Taking into account the historical tragedy described by the Circassian genocide article, the Barnstar that you were so kind to bestow can represent the true sense of the term that would meaningfully and personally speak for all the lost families. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

December 16: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

December 16, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-8pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop. To join the meeting from your computer or smartphone, just visit this link. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! This month will include a discussion of the sixth annual Community Wishlist Survey, an opportunity for editors and other community members to submit proposals for fixes and features you'd like the Wikimedia Foundation's tech team to address. As always, it's the agenda anyone can edit, so please feel free to add any projects you'd like to share. Wednesday December 16 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 7:00pm - 8:00 pm online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms from 8:00-8:30)

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Please look at Flemish source, exactly the same as French source, full font height.

https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/applaudisseren-na-seksisme-argument-tegen-francken-ging-de-kamervoorzitter-te-ver/article-news-1678263.html In ictu oculi (talk) 13:02, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your taking the time to present this evidence and I would be glad to follow subject's depiction of her own name, as in the case of the Brzeziński family members. However, she clearly does not use an accent within her own name, as shown by her tweets or by her political autobiography. Also media sources are inconsistent, as shown by this French-language article. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Friday Jan 15: ONLINE Misplaced Pages Day NYC

January 15, 6pm: Wikimedia NYC celebrates 20 years of Misplaced Pages

Misplaced Pages Day is always a big day for Wikimedia NYC. While we cannot meet in person, we still have something special planned. We will begin the event with the debut of a new video celebrating our community. This will be followed by a panel discussion with some of the people you'll see in the video talking about Misplaced Pages's 20th anniversary, Wikimedia New York City, and the amazing work they do on Wikimedia projects. The event will be broadcast live via YouTube. Feel free to ask questions for the panel through the chat! We will also have some NYC wiki trivia you can participate in, with confectionery prizes. Friday January 15 ONLINE Misplaced Pages Day NYC. 6:00pm - 7:00 pm online via Wikimedia NYC on YouTube

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WP:BELARUSIANNAMES

• Hi, I have started a thread you might be interested in at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Cyrillic)#Belarusian_geographical_place_names,_Part_2. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 18:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

for sharing your family history. I'm a DABfixer; hence my ridiculously high edit count. Most DABfixes take only seconds, but a few take longer. I remember the worst day I had on Misplaced Pages. Someone had been born in an obscure ambiguously-named village in what is now Belarus. The next problem was the same. And so was the third. None was easy, but with some effort I was able to identify all three by multilingual searching. All that remains of one is an engraved slab in the ground. It wasn't fun, but it was very necessary. Narky Blert (talk) 23:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

And my thanks to you for your kind words. It was very considerate of you to visit my page, read it and then leave such a much-appreciated message. I have likewise spent a good deal of time on disambiguation pages as well as on transliteration of Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian names. There is always more to be done — no sooner is one completed when another one awaits. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

February 17: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

February 17, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

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Thursday Feb 25: ONLINE Black Wiki History Month at the Schomburg Center

Feb 25, 1:30-5pm: Black Wiki History Month at the Schomburg Center

You are invited to join the AfroCROWD and Wikimedia NYC communities for the 7th year of this edit-a-thon, this time being held in a virtual format. More information about how to connect is available on the meetup page, and register on the form to get the Zoom link. We look forward to seeing local Wikimedians, but would also like to invite folks from the greater New York metropolitan area (and beyond!) who might not typically be able to join us in person! Thursday Feb 25 Black Wiki History Month at the Schomburg Center (optional RSVP on-wiki). 1:30pm - 5:30 pm online, register on the form to get the Zoom link

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Sat Mar 6: Met Women's History Month Virtual Edit Meet-up

March 6, 12:30pm: Met Women's History Month Virtual Edit Meet-up

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community and the Metropolitan Museum of Art for our The Met x Misplaced Pages Virtual Edit Meet-up: Women's History Month. We will be partially coordinating with Art+Feminism and all of the International Women's Day and Women's History Month campaigns. Watch and join the livestream! The Metropolitan Museum of Art event on Saturday Mar 6 will host a tutorial and question-and-answer session live on YouTube and other social media platforms. 12:30 pm - 1:30 pm - Presentation 1:30 pm - 2:30 pm - Guidance and Q&A Chat about improving articles! Support will be provided to help guide new editors in this area at Wikimedia Gender Gap Editing Chat for the duration of the campaign. The Met x Misplaced Pages Virtual Edit Meet-up: Women’s History Month (Metropolitan Museum of Art)

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Sat Mar 13: Asia Art Archive in America: Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon

March 13, 12-5pm: Asia Art Archive in America: Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community and Asia Art Archive for our fourth annual (and first virtual) Asia Art Archive in America: Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon! Organized by Asia Art Archive in America and NaPupila in collaboration with Asia Art Archive in Hong Kong and supported by Wikimedia NYC, this event brings together participants to discuss, create, share, and improve Misplaced Pages articles about women and non-binary artists. We will be partially coordinating with Art+Feminism and all of the International Women's Day and Women's History Month campaigns. Register and join the virtual event! 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm - Register ahead of time on Zoom to get the video link P.S. Next WikiWednesday You are also invited to join our March 17 WikiWednesday next week with a Saint Patrick's Day guest speaker from Wikimedia Community Ireland.

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Article for Deletion/Rachel Shevchenko

Hi Roman,

Thank you for your comment on Article for Deletion of Rachel Shevchenko. I left a comment on it as well that I disagree with deletion. If you have any advice on what I could add to the article so it won't get deleted or what else I could do I would really appreciate it. User:Elegantnetwork1 (talk) 06:39, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Since Misplaced Pages is consensus-based, all we can do is submit votes while presenting our strongest arguments against deletion and in favor of retention. Each case comes with its own set of circumstances — immediately after participating in the Rachel Shevchenko discussion, I cast a vote against deletion of the entry for 48-year-old Gavin O'Connor (actor) {Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gavin O'Connor (actor)} where the situation is different since he has a long career with scores of film, TV and stage credits. It is all dependent on notability and references — I found the existing references sufficient while others did not. If her entry does not succeed this year, this young star of the future will have a stronger opportunity next year or the year after that. Once she accumulates additional notices and has entries in databases, such as IMDb, there will be sufficient votes for retention. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

March 17: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC with Wikimedia Community Ireland for St Patrick's Day

March 17, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC with Wikimedia Community Ireland for St Patrick's Day

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Speedy deletion nomination of Scott Allan (disambiguation)

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"Caroline Henry" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Thank you

My thanks to MarnetteD, Chris troutman and Gerda Arendt for your kindness and consideration in taking the time to read and respond to my anniversary. It is much appreciated. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:55, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

You are most welcome RS. Many congrats on the anniversary and all of the years since. It is an honor to edit alongside you. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 01:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you once again. I too feel honored to have had you as a fellow editor on many of the same articles over the past decade-and-a-half. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

April 21: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC with with Environmental focus

April 21, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC with Environmental focus

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For the record, on March 11, 2018, I created a redirect with this edit summary: "Redirecting main title header delineating the early stage name of American film and television actress, Rita Ray, to its most-frequently credited form, Dona Drake". On November 10, 2020, Evajohannna converted that redirect into Draft:Rita Ray, a proposed English Misplaced Pages entry which has as its lead paragraph, "Rita Ray (born Kristi Raias; 26th august 1996) is an Estonian composer, singer, songwriter and keyboard player.. She mainly performs blue-eyed soul, with influences of R&B and Disco. Rita Ray band consists of Artis Boriss (keys), Kristen Kütner (guitar), Jasper Alamaa (bass) and Ott Adamson (drums)"

1. Sandra Leushina (2019-11-18). "Soulitar Rita Ray hingega muusikast ja albumist "Old Love Will Rust"". Häppening (in Estonian). Retrieved 2020-11-10.
2. "Rita Ray (5) - Old Love Will Rust". Discogs. Retrieved 2020-11-11.

—Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

May 19: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

May 19, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

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"Goehr (composer and conductor)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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June 16: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

June 16, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

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YRepaired. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Your recent move

Hi there, You recently moved Chris Connolly to Chris Connolly (Australian footballer). I'm not really sure why, as IMO the page views show that he is the primary topic compared to the ice hockey player, with a constant gap in page views between the two. But I'm not going to move it back, because as a former coach, it is more likely than unlikely that the views will decrease over time. As a headsup for future moves, if there is no ambiguity, for Australian footballers, (footballer) is preferred as the qualifier and (Australian footballer) is generally only used when there is ambiguity with a soccer, rugby or NFL player. I will make that move. The-Pope (talk) 15:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Since you are arguably or actually Misplaced Pages's top contributor and expert on the subject of Australian football in particular, as well as on numerous other topics, I appreciate your contacting me regarding my recent move. In retrospect, I regret making it unilaterally, rather than at RM, or even making it at all. If you ultimately would prefer for Chris Connolly (footballer) to be restored to Chris Connolly, I would be glad to support the restoration. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that response, but like I said, there is merit in neither being a true primary topic. However, I've just reverted your move of Fred Clarke (Australian footballer), because whilst year of birth is generally a very unique disambiguator, I consider it to be a very poor one, because most people don't know a person's year of birth. Especially if the nationality is clear and unique. I know that with some globetrotting people, nationality is confusing/changes, but for many, it's just the simplest and easiest qualifier to use. Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Once again, I am grateful for your kind counsel and it is certainly an argument against my making any further unilateral moves, at least as far as these matters are concerned. Upon being confronted with two inconsistent qualifiers — Fred Clarke (Australian footballer) and Fred Clarke (footballer, born 1941), my initial instinct was to move Fred Clarke (footballer, born 1941) → Fred Clarke (Northern Irish footballer), but instead of making the Northern Irish footballer analogous to the Australian footballer, I erred in deciding to make the Australian footballer analogous to the Northern Irish footballer.

This time, I am submitting my original intent to Talk:Fred Clarke (footballer, born 1941)#Requested move 24 June 2021 and, if consensus ultimately decides that the existing forms are fine in their current forms, then at least the matter will be on record in the remote possibility that it might be brought up again. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

July 14: Virtual Coney Island Meetup + NYC monthly collaboration

July 14, 7pm: Virtual Coney Island Meetup + NYC monthly collaboration

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YRepaired. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 13:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Sat Aug 14: Wikimania Wiknic NYC

August 14, 12-5pm: Wikimania Wiknic NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for a planned socially-distanced Wiknic ("the picnic anyone can edit") in Brooklyn's Prospect Park to coincide with the virtual Wikimania 2021. For this occasion, and to allow more space as desired, we have individually packed lunches provided by the chapter, and attendees are encouraged to RSVP at Eventbrite and give sandwich/entree orders. Saturday August 14 Wikimania Wiknic NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 12:00pm - 5:00 pm in a shaded grove in front of the Picnic House (Prospect Park, Brooklyn)

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August 25: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

August 25, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC

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Archiving

Hello. It appears your talk page is becoming quite lengthy and is in need of archiving. According to Misplaced Pages's user talk page guidelines: "Large talk pages are difficult to read and load slowly over slow connections. As a rule of thumb, archive closed discussions when a talk page exceeds 75 KB or has multiple resolved or stale discussions." – this talk page is 691.8 KB. See Help:Archiving a talk page for instructions on how to manually archive your talk page, or to arrange for automatic archiving using a bot. If you have any questions, place a {{help me}} notice on your talk page, or go to the help desk. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 15:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the reminder and will attend to the matter on September 1. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Roman Spinner: A friendly reminder that even after your archiving efforts your talk page is still very large - well over 400K. Perhaps you would consider archiving everything before 2021? This should reduce this page from well over 200 entries to a much more manageable 30 or 40. Cheers! CapnZapp (talk) 21:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

As in the case of the previous reminder, I once again appreciate this one and will further reduce the older content on November 1. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 14:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Jaclyn Bernstein/Jaclyn-Rose Lester

Looking at the awards she won, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0077064/awards, I would think Jaclyn Bernstein merits an bio article here on Misplaced Pages? Winning the child actresses version of the Oscars equals notability, surely? 180.150.39.166 (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

September 29: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon + Annual Members' Meeting NYC

September 29, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon + Annual Members' Meeting NYC

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• Prospect Park photo contest, ongoing
• Latinx Art Misplaced Pages Edit-a-thon, October 6
• Wiki-Pavilion Picnic NYC in Prospect Park (with WikiProject Craft + WikiConference North America), October 10

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Sunday: Wiki-Pavilion Picnic NYC (part of WikiConference NA, Oct 8-10)

Sunday October 10, 12-5pm: Wiki-Pavilion Picnic NYC (part of WikiConference North America 2021, Oct 8-10)

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for a planned socially-distanced Wiknic ("the picnic anyone can edit") in Brooklyn's Prospect Park, being held at the historic Concert Grove Pavilion to coincide with WikiConference North America 2021, which will run virtually from Friday to Sunday. For this occasion, and to allow more space as desired, we have individually packed lunches provided by the chapter, and attendees are encouraged to RSVP at Eventbrite and give sandwich/entree orders. Sunday October 10 Wiki-Pavilion Picnic NYC (optional RSVP on-wiki). 12:00pm - 5:00 pm at the Concert Grove Pavilion 40°39′34″N 73°57′51″W / 40.65934°N 73.96414°W / 40.65934; -73.96414 (Prospect Park, Brooklyn)

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Nomination of List of governors of Texas by age for deletion

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of governors of Texas by age until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

List of governors of California by age has also been included in the nomination with List of governors of Texas by age. OCNative (talk) 22:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

quick question

Hi Roman, I saw the RM about Tom Drake, and I was trying to figure out if you meant it should be moved or it shouldn't be. So I didn't want to touch anything before understanding your opinion. Dr. Vogel (talk) 15:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dr. Vogel, the issue of the Tom Drake main title header had been resolved at 02:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC), shortly after my 00:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC) posting under "Technical requests", although at the time of your above posting it was still listed under "Technical requests". My comment was simply meant to call attention to the cut-and-paste move which resulted in the then-existing revision history of the Tom Drake article showing solely the move, while the revision history of the newly-created redirect Tom Drake (actor) showing the 236 intermediate revisions by more than 100 users dating back to the article's creation in January 2005. Happily it is now a moot point. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:38, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok cool. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Dr. Vogel (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

And my thanks to you for being so considerate as to contact me regarding the matter. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:38, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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Curious

I’ve been noticing the edits you’ve been making on Death of Benito Mussolini in recent weeks. I’m curious regarding your interpretation of NOPIPE. Most of your NOPIPE changes seem fair enough, but one or two seem somewhat…extreme for want of a better word. It’s almost as though you’re reading NOPIPE as generally encouraging eradication of piping if at all possible. In your last edit of that article two changes seem to me to be quite strange: (1) it looks like you created two redirects to enable removing 2 pipelinks. No other articles link to those redirects. That works functionally but is that really worth doing? (2) The change from “Swiss border” to “Italy-Switzerland border” works functionally but loses concision and in the context of the sentence makes it unnecessarily clunky. I think we should only use the actual article title rather than a pipelink if the title is at least as good as the pipelink. I don’t mean to appear overly critical as I can see this type of editing (which you are very diligent at) is generally highly useful. But I am curious. DeCausa (talk) 15:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your consideration in taking the time to post such a detailed query. First of all, since you are the creator of this article, I need to assure you that I did not single out Death of Benito Mussolini for special editing attention in the aftermath of my unsuccessful Talk:Death of Benito Mussolini#Requested move 18 September 2021 and that I have been unpiping links in scores of other articles at the same time.

I am not against piping and, of course, piping is essential in hiding parenthetical qualifiers, as in "a member of the Action Party (Italy)|Action Party" and, on some occasions, for hiding the equivalent of a parenthetical qualifier, as in "near the village of Dongo, Lombardy|Dongo on Lake Como."

I do feel however that, as explained under WP:NOPIPE and, in greater detail, under MOS:PIPEDLINK, editors should not pipe simply to avoid redirects (the Archbishop of Milan, Alfredo Ildefonso Schuster|Cardinal Schuster]]) and, likewise, to avoid creating surprise links, per MOS:EASTEREGG ("he was reduced to being the leader of a Italian Social Republic|German puppet state in northern Italy]]" or "With the Spring 1945 offensive in Italy|final collapse]] of the German army's Gothic Line in April 1945, total defeat for the Salò Republic and its German protectors was imminent.").

I revised the latter link as, "With the Spring 1945 offensive in Italy bringing a final collapse of the German army's Gothic Line in April, total defeat for the Salò Republic and its German protectors was imminent."

A reply is also needed regarding your points, "(1) it looks like you created two redirects to enable removing 2 pipelinks. No other articles link to those redirects. That works functionally but is that really worth doing? (2) The change from “Swiss border” to “Italy-Switzerland border” works functionally but loses concision and in the context of the sentence makes it unnecessarily clunky. I think we should only use the actual article title rather than a pipelink if the title is at least as good as the pipelink."

The creation of some redirects, such as "Cardinal Schuster" redirecting to Alfredo Ildefonso Schuster, is obvious, but in many cases, if content creators discover that the links within their text are red ones, they are likely to return to those links and unlink them. Thus, specialized links such as Italian anti-fascist partisans redirecting to Italian resistance movement or German puppet state in northern Italy redirecting to Italian Social Republic are unlikely to have existing red links awaiting the creation of these redirects.

As explained under MOS:EASTEREGG, the problem with such hidden redirects is that the hidden text does not directly represent what is indicated in the link — a user clicking "Swiss border", a non-existent link which is hiding as a piped redirect to Italy–Switzerland border, would probably expect a review of the relationship among Austria–Switzerland border, Italy–Switzerland border, France–Switzerland border, Germany–Switzerland border and Category:Liechtenstein–Switzerland border.

Likewise, the hidden word in "Palmiro Togliatti, the Secretary-General of the Italian Communist Party|Communist Party]], claimed that he had ordered Mussolini's execution prior to his capture" gives the impression that Togliatti was the Secretary of the world-wide Party. rather than solely of the Italian Party. In some of these cases, there may be no need for a link per WP:OVERLINK.

Since I have already exceeded the intended length of my explanation, one additional clarification should be provided in that I frequently revise an article only to the point that the revisions fit within the edit summary and then return to the article after a week or two with the same routine.

However, to avoid returning to this article for future brief bursts of editing, I will now read through the entire text and unpipe whatever appears to be in need of it. You may ultimately disagree and revert my edits or we may further discuss the specific details. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to provide such a detailed response. As I previously mentioned, I don’t have any objection to the majority of your “de-pipings”. I do have a couple of points on some of the specific ones you mention. Both the one for “Swiss border” and “Communist Party” need to be read in context and, as a result, I don’t think EASTEREGG applies. In context, “Swiss border” can only have meant the Italy–Switzerland border, and there could not possibly have been any expectation that France–Switzerland border, Germany–Switzerland border would be covered. The sentence was very clearly and exclusively about moving from Italy to Switzerland. Likewise on the “Italian Communist Party” there is no reasonable prospect of anyone thinking that, in context, “Communist Party” means anything other the Italian Communist Party - there is of course no such thing as a world-wide Communist Party. The context was clearly and exclusively about Italian Communists. However, those very theoretical EASTEREGG concerns lead to an actual reduction in concision and flow quality of the text with the removal of the pipe link. Where concision and flow is affected, I’d recommend being more cautious on applying EASTEREGG if the context really doesn’t leave that much doubt where the pipelink goes to. DeCausa (talk) 23:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I accept your arguments and will restore the piping for Italy–Switzerland border|Swiss border.]] —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. DeCausa (talk) 08:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

"King of Cloves" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect King of Cloves and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 18#King of Cloves until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. CycloneYoris 23:53, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Sixteen Years of Editing!

Happy First Edit Day, Roman Spinner, from the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 00:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

My thanks to you, Chris Troutman, and to the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee for your kindness and consideration in noting my 16th WikiBirthday. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, Bobherry Talk Edits 04:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

My additional gratitude to you, Bobherry, and to the Birthday Committee for so kindly noting my WikiBirthday. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:00, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Mario Cerrito III

Hello,

I am newer to this so please forgive me if I'm writing this in the wrong place. Are you able to help me get Mario Cerrito III name changed. I made a mistake and accidentally put the period at the end of it and I feel bad. I saw you commented and saw your a very experienced editor on here. Thank you for any help. Summerlee44 (talk) 01:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I am always pleased to be of service although, in this case, the dot deletion nomination has already been submitted and the process is underway. There is no need to feel bad or be concerned — simple uncontested technical requests, such as this one, are sometimes resolved within the same day but, since Misplaced Pages has no blue link for the plain name Mario Cerrito or his alternative billing form Mario G. Cerrito, thus resulting in the supplementary proposal that the generational suffix "III" is not needed, it may take a week to determine consensus regarding those details. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:15, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your response! So I checked back today and it seems the 7 days are up. I appreciate your help on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summerlee44 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Roman! The article was moved to Mario Cerrito but when I logged on today I saw they tagged it for articles for deletion, there's an open discussion. I did see you supported him as well. I have contributed to the article and as he is from my former high school. I grew up with him and Joe Flacco both from Audubon, NJ. I believe he deserves an article. Would you voice your vote on there? Thank you.Summerlee44 (talk) 14:08, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Saturday Feb 5: ONLINE Met Afrofuturist edit-a-thon (and monthlong campaign)

February 5, 12-2pm: ONLINE Met Afrofuturist edit-a-thon

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