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Hi Liz, I saw that you are on the list of currently active admins, so I wanted to ask if you would take a look at something; a blocked user started using another account, (and have stated as such). I had pinged the blocking admin, but then found out they are away on a leave. I don't believe this is particularly urgent, likely more of a procedural block. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks - wolf 20:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Thewolfchild,

I am really bad at spotting sockpuppets unless they go back to editing the same articles so I don't know how you spotted this one which was originally blocked several years ago. But since they confessed, I really had no choice but to block them and ask them to log into their original account and make an unblock request. Good eye! Liz 20:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

That was quick! Thanks - wolf 20:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm usually either right on top of my user talk page or I forget it's there. Liz 20:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Request redaction on my talk page

Hi Liz, Requesting redact for user's recent defamatory comment on my talk page. Thanks. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AngusWOOF,

If you are talking about the comments left by 172.119.3.160, I don't think they fit the revision deletion criteria. He was calling Misplaced Pages, as a project with its notability criteria, racist. Although he/she was going after you, it wasn't the kind of gross vandalism and slurs that would fit revision deletion criteria and I think removing them from your page is sufficient. It is a judgment call though so feel free to ask another admin for their opinion. Liz 16:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Liz, thanks, I will remove and have them rant about it on the talk page of the subject. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Randy Arrington, PhD

Hi, I added the CSD tag to this due to the following sentence which I believed to be negative: “ But be fully aware that being in the close proximity of Dr. Randy Arrington is NOT a safe space.” which I felt had negative connotations. If I was being overly sensitive, I apologise. Equine-man (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Equine-man,

No, you aren't being too sensitive, I'm going to remove that sentence. But when thinking about "attack pages", I think about the definition at WP:CSD,

Examples of "attack pages" may include libel, legal threats, material intended purely to harass or intimidate a person or biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced. These pages should be speedily deleted when there is no neutral version in the page history to revert to.

This draft wasn't entirely or even mostly negative in tone (although it is unsourced) except for that sentence which I'm going to delete now. I appreciate knowing that you are looking over new drafts and are sensitive to BLP issues. I think, for the good of the project, it's better to be over-sensitive than tone deaf. Liz 00:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) Equine-man (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of page called "Master of Media in Journalism and Communication program at the University of Western Ontario"

Hello! I published a page yesterday (November 2, 2021) about the history of the Master of Media in Journalism and Communication program at Western University. I based this page off the similar one of its kind for a different program. Here's the link to that inspiration: https://en.wikipedia.org/Library_and_Information_Science_program_at_the_University_of_Western_Ontario

I'm not really sure why my page was deleted as I didn't include anything promotional. The information was historical and about the current faculty and dean.

Looking for advice so I can get this page to stay up! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdonati (talk • contribs) 01:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cdonati,

If you look at the deleted page, Master of Media in Journalism and Communication at the University of Western Ontario, it states it was deleted because it was the recreation of a page deleted in an AFD discussion, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Master of Media in Journalism and Communication. That AFD discussion just happened in May 2021 and any recreation of pages that are deleted in AFD discussions are deleted through speedy deletion (see WP:G4). It had nothing to do with the content of the article you wrote but to a community decision that there shouldn't be an article on the subject. Look at the AFD discussion for details.

The only way I know to get around an AFD deletion decision is to write a draft and submit it for review with Articles for Creation. You might try that route. Liz 01:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Brenda Almond draft

It seems that this draft was deleted in less than 12 hours giving me no chance to respond.

It was marked as "copyright" violation. This is not correct. There were quotes from a page that were clearly marked as quotes, otherwise the page was all a summary in encyclopedia style of this UK women philosopher's work.

Please reinstate the draft. If there is TOO much from the Times Higher profile that can be reduced.Emerald Gibb (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Brenda Almond draft

It seems that this draft was deleted in less than 12 hours giving me no chance to respond.

It was marked as "copyright" violation. This is not correct. There were quotes from a page that were clearly marked as quotes, otherwise the page was all a summary in encyclopedia style of this UK women philosopher's work.

Please reinstate the draft. If there is TOO much from the Times Higher profile that can be reduced.Emerald Gibb (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, another version of this discussion is posted on my talk page, would appreciate your input there :D Justiyaya 13:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Copyright violations are deleted as soon as they are discovered. They are not restored. Liz 02:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Statuette of the lady Tiye has a new comment

Easy on Me

Hi Liz. Can you semi-protect the page? Those IPs keep removing content without reason. 183.171.114.181 (talk) 04:10, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 183.171.114.181,

Okay, you do realize this affects you, too, right? Liz 04:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion

Hello. I'm new here. I've made 2 categories recently and you nominated them for deletion. Is there any problem with these categories? Thank you. Richard M William (talk) 04:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Richard M William,

There is an enormous category structure on Misplaced Pages and at least 16 years worth of Categories for Discussion cases on what is proper and improper in creating categories. Creating User categories for yourself is not acceptable. They were going to be tagged for deletion, if not by me than by another editor. But I invite you to participate in the CFD discussions involving your categories so you can offer your support for their continued existence. The best way to learn about categories is to participate in CFD discussions and hear the arguments put forward by those editors who focus on categories. Liz 04:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Film companion

Did you restore all revisions, including the G12 copyright infringement versions prior to April 17, 2017? Jay (talk) 05:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

I didn't intend to. Now, I'll go check it out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz 05:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I believe I got all of the edits up to the removal of content as a copyright violation. Liz 05:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi Page protection

Greetings Liz, hope everything is well and healthy, this new IP user ] made a few reverts in very short time without posting any reliable sources to explain their edit and simultaneously ignoring already existing sources. Can something be done? Semi page protection or something else? The page in question is Valtazar Bogišić. Thank you. Theonewithreason (talk) 16:14, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Albert Fry RIP

I translated the atricle about Albert Fry ( Referenc:https://ga.wikipedia.org/Albert_Fry) (from Irish Gaelic to English, because I had thought that it would be of interest to English speaking Wikipedians! Evidently my attempt to stop the article from being removed has fallen on deaf ears! I really don't have the time to spare on this language version of Misplaced Pages and unfortunately will not spend any more time trying to persuade English Misplaced Pages of the errors of their ways! Stay safe or as we say ion our language Fan sábháilte. Ériugena (talk) 17:39, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Manuel B. García Álvarez

I cannot understand why the article Manuel B Garcia Alvarez has been deleted. First, a 7-day period was set for adding new sources. It's only been 4 days and it's already been deleted, this is not serious. Secondly, the article contained sources from newspapers of worldwide importance such as: "El Pais" and "ABC" of Spain and "Izvestia" of Russia and others from newspapers of international importance such as "Diario de León" of Spain and "Komuna" of Russia. I have not had time to add more sources since they have deleted the article in breach of the 7-day deadline they had given me. Please give me an explanation of what has happened and I ask you to proceed to restore the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morseo (talk • contribs) 11:23, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/population count

It appears that about 9 hours ago, you deleted {{Infobox Finnish municipality/population count}}, which has 322 transclusions. Perhaps it should be redirected to {{Data Finland municipality/population count}} instead, or restored to whatever its contents were before the deletion. I would recreate it as a redirect, but sometimes when I fix an obvious problem in a sensible way, I end up getting my hand slapped, so I will leave red links in articles until you are available to take a look. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

The deletion of {{Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/inland waters area}} and other similar subpages also appears to be causing big red convert errors in articles like Vantaa. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Also pinging Primefac, who deleted the parent template over a year ago. I am so grateful that people like the two of you are willing to take on administrator tasks, despite having to mop up messes like this constantly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

More mess: this nomination was made by an editor now blocked as a sockpuppet. I wonder if the best way to fix this tangle is to replace all of the transclusions with their redirect targets. It seems like that should have been part of the RFD close process a year ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jonesey95,

I typically do not handle template deletions because of the complications of template transclusions but these tagged pages showed up in the regular Speedy Deletion categories which generally means they have been cleared and evaluated by editors who work with templates. I have restored Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/population count and Template:Infobox Finnish municipality/inland waters area but should all of these Finnish municipality templates be restored? Liz 18:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

If they were all redirects, my technical recommendation is to restore all of them to fix the Convert template errors in pages including Vantaa. I don't know how that fix intersects with the various policies and guidelines involved, but I think that would fix the errors. After that, maybe a bot or AWB editor could be recruited to carry out the RFD outcome (or not, if an SP-led outcome is invalid). – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment as the CSD tagger: it simply never occurred to me that any of the subpages could still be in use. For what it's worth, the original deletion of Template:Infobox Finnish municipality might be worth revisiting given the nominator is also a likely Tobias Conradi sock. On the other hand, it's kind of too deeply entrenched to undo now. The RfD in question is irrelevant, since the pages qualify for speedy deletion as G8 (and if they hadn't been deleted in October 2020 I would have CSD tagged them yesterday). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha, I'll take care of this. These complications are typically why I give a wide berth to templates. It makes regular pages like articles and files seem straight-forward in comparison. Liz 21:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

My non-admin recommendation would be to replace all of the redirects with their targets (which I think should have been done following the RFD, but maybe a step got missed) and move on. I do a ton of template editing, so feel free to ping me if you run into any trouble. Thanks for sorting it, Liz. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Jonesey95, I'm just restoring them all and leaving the template talk pages deleted. There is at least one that Plastikspork restored but later deleted that I'll just let be as I assume that, unlike me, they are familiar with templates. You will be able to see all of the pages in the Deletion log. Liz 22:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Bergius process and Haber–Bosch process

I made a request on the talk page of Bergius process and Haber–Bosch process to hold off deletion. Did you read it before deleting? SpinningSpark 07:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

How curious. Instead of removing the PROD tag, you leave a cryptic message on the talk page without even bothering to sign your post. If I didn't know any better I would have assumed this to be an honest mistake, but I think you're deliberately skirting standard protocol to bait your fellow admins into making "mistakes". I wish you would find something better to do with your time. -FASTILY 11:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Not at all, the signature was an honest mistake. I didn't deprod it because I agree it can't stand as an article at that title. Nevertheless, it contains encyclopaedic information and I think we ought to do something with it. So a) I wanted time to think about it, and b) I want to hear from the creator what it is supposed to be doing (who had not been notified of the prod). I don't think a personal attack is warranted quite yet. SpinningSpark 14:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you

Thanks for taking your time to explain. I was already about to quit using wiki. But thanks to you, at least I know I'm not an idiot for staying here. Do have a blissful day!!! Ugochukwu75 (talk) 11:59, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Category:Cram schools in India

Hi Liz! This category was used earlier in the FIITJEE article, based on a Reuters reference, and was removed by an editor with a suspected COI in an attempt to whitewash the article. The category resultantly became empty and was C1'd by you. I've reverted the COI edits now, and restored the category, which turns up as a redlink now. Could you please restore the category, now that it is not empty? Thanks! JavaHurricane 14:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 'JavaHurricane,

 Done Restoring empty categories is one of the easier admin actions which I'm happy to do. Liz 23:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! JavaHurricane 00:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Might need your eye for something

Hi Liz—hopefully you don't mind, but I've seen you handle situations similar to this in amicable ways in the past, so perhaps you can help here.

I've noticed a few COI edit request declines from Quetstar after I informed a paid editor on how they should make one on Talk:LoopUp, which was then declined here, with justification I feel is quite lacking. It also seems this isn't the first time they've been notified about improper ER reviews: I see notices all the way back in September about similar issues on their talk page, with similarly bad ER reviews from just a few days ago, so it could be worth taking a look at from someone with more experience in dealing with this type of situation. (Note that I also reverted the LoopUp ER decline and left a note on their talk page.) Perryprog (talk) 16:55, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Perryprog,

Sorry for the delay but I've been very busy today. I'll look into this. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Liz 23:31, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Question

Can you check on the following articles? Justlettersandnumbers restored them, but didn't remove the CSD tag in that restoration edit, which is why I think Anthony Bradbury then deleted them again almost instantly, since they popped back up in the category. Here they are: Ramón Escobar Santiago, Gladys Ejomi, Iñaxi Etxabe, Elisabeth Ebeling, Dick Klaverdijk, and César Salinas. Thank you for taking the time to check the article histories when doing your reviewing, btw, you're one of the only admins that does. Silverseren 23:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Silver seren,

Well, it was upsetting to me yesterday when there was a mass batch deletion of close to 100 articles tagged CSD G5 where clearly they weren't examined and reviewed individually. This action can be justified if the banned editor was the only contributor to these pages (as was the case with much of Brancrandran's pages) but that is not always the case (as with SportsOlympic). From a technical point of view, for an admin, is difficult to look at the deleted versions of pages and judged whether there have been substantial contributions by others as the deleted list of edits just includes the date and time of an edit, the editor's name and the edit summary, without any information about the size of an edit. It's much easier to make this judgment on an article before it has been deleted or after the page has been restored. But I looked at your deleted contributions and saw you made about similar contributions to pages that were then deleted so I was going to check on those later.

To be honest, some admins might have questions about you making some substantial contributions to pages AFTER they have been tagged for deletion but, in my judgment, that still makes them legitimate contributions to an article. I think it's not just a matter of changing admin behavior but also talking to editors who are quick to tag pages for deletion, to make sure they review pages before placing a CSD G5 tag on a page. I don't really understand the rush to delete pages as soon as a sockpuppet is discovered, there are some editors who tag page creations for deletion as soon as an editor is mentioned on a SPI case, before they've even been confirmed as a sockpuppet of an editor evading a ban. It's not like these are copyright violations or pages that violate BLP guidelines, pages that should be deleted upon discovery. Articles about past Olympic Game participants or 19th century judges in South America aren't doing any active damage and we can take our time to review and assess whether or not they should be deleted based on policy guidelines. Liz 23:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I have the exact same opinion. Especially in regards to this sockpuppet's articles in particular, since almost all of the ones I edited were just translations from other language Wikipedias. I honestly don't know what harm those are supposed to be doing by taking some more time on them. They're even further removed from the potential for copyvios or other issues. And I mentioned to Justlettersandnumbers that the ones I've edited are those that I would be going through the deletion process to undelete anyways to take responsibility for them. Instead, just making substantial changes like this saves everyones' time to not have to bother with that and the article is slightly better than it was before in the process. So, a win-win for everyone, imo. Silverseren 23:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Mikko Medics Clinic

Wondering why the article I wrote on a real health institution in Angono, Rizal, Philippines was deleted. The clinic has existed for 22 years. Komki (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Komki,

You have no deleted edits/contributions so I'm not sure what article you are talking about. Did you edit it with a different account? Can you give me a link to the page? Liz 16:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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ExcuseMePowerGamers

Hello, thank you for deleting Draft:Bloodstain (album) under G3. I am wondering what to do with the creator of that article? They created it with a fake BBC reference and added a bunch of fake references to Tubbo with this edit (1, 2 & 3, dead links, supposed retrival date, source date and lack of a web.archive version makes me think they are fake), leading to said article getting accepted at AfC. Should I bring it to ANI/AIV or does a uw-template suffice? 15 (talk) 00:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 15,

This editor has only made 4 edits which is very low, not enough for me to consider filing a case at ANI. I'd keep an eye on them. I see you have participated in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tubbo but you might cast a vote since you seem to have done some investigation into them. Of course, this is just my gut reaction, another admin might take more aggressive action than I would. Liz 02:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. Thank you! 15 (talk) 10:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Legitimate use of File:Caucasian man masturbating.jpg

The Masturbation page used this image which I noticed is just a tracing of this image. I thought "why not just use the original image?" so I changed it; however, it did not show. The warning on the file page says "To prevent the use of this file for vandalism, it can only be used on pages for which it is specifically allowed," and "To use this file legitimately, contact an administrator..." so I came to you. I think this usage is legitimate. Desperatefisherman (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Desperatefisherman,

I have no idea why you picked me to talk to but I have no interest in getting involved in the correct or incorrect use masturbation photos. It was unfortunate enough that you caused me to go look at this image when I have other tasks to work on. Go make your request at MediaWiki talk:Bad image list and make your argument there. Maybe you'll find someone who is sympathetic to your point-of-view. Liz 02:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok sure, but if you're wondering why you, it's because you were the last person to comment on that page. Desperatefisherman (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that is a surprise to me. Liz 03:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

File:CW+ 2017 Reach Map.png

Can you again delete the previous revisions on this image? Despite adding text saying 'stop uploading a larger version it's going to be reverted', another account did so today, and the seven-day wait is certainly not needed. Thank you. Nate • (chatter) 03:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mrschimpf,

Okay, I've never actually deleted file versions manually like this on File:CW+ 2017 Reach Map.png so let me know if I did anything incorrectly. I don't work much with files except when they pop up in speedy deletion categories. Thanks. Liz 03:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

100% perfect. 👍🏽 I appreciate the speed. Nate • (chatter) 03:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I am an inconsistent responder to talk page messages. It's either immediate or I forget to even look at my talk page. It depends on if I'm busy working. It's definitely an area that I could improve on. Liz 03:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

General matrix notation of a VAR(p)

Hi Liz. I'm afraid there was some confusion with your intervention in Vector_autoregression - as you ultimately reintroduced a link to a page you had deleted. I'm not 100% sure of the best way to solve this (as I can't see the content of the deleted page), do you have an idea? Notice the main page has more links to the deleted page (e.g. under "Concise matrix notation"). Notifying QueensanditsCrazy who was involved --Toobaz (talk) 08:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Liz? --Toobaz (talk) 08:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

please restore Draft:Florian Krammer

Hi, could you please restore Draft:Florian Krammer. I ask promptly because sometimes in past an editor like yourself has deleted multiple articles in a row. This and other drafts of mine are valid article topics. --Doncram (talk) 06:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

P.S. I know I can request "refund" elsewhere but understand it is also okay to ask deleting editor, and I want to head off any new flurry of deletions without causing undue effort on part of others to restore them all. The articles in draft space are about historic sites and about historic architects and others associated with them. --Doncram (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Doncram,

I'm not sure what you mean by "in past an editor like yourself has deleted multiple articles in a row"...I delete a lot of CSD G13 stale drafts when they are eligible for deletion. It's not a matter of whether they are valid article topics or not, it is the assumption that after 6 months with no edits, that the draft has been abandoned.

G13 drafts can be restored upon request at WP:REFUND or by asking any administrator and so I'm happy to do so. Liz 06:48, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Nothing about you in particular, but there was recently another editor addressing articles which I suppose are on some new list of those "eligible for deletion". Looking it up, the discussion was this: User talk:Explicit/Archive 41#stop with the hotel deletions please; editor User:Explicit did restore all of about 10 historic hotel articles that they deleted. Those were 9 out of 53 drafts indexed at Talk:Historic Hotels of America/Draft articles that were all moved to Draftspace at the same time, of which 29 have been restored to mainspace, including one or two in the last week. I am working on these, sometimes with others' help, and disagree with their having been moved to Draftspace at all. There are also a number of drafted National Register of Historic Places articles which are obviously wikipedia-notable topics. Explicit suggested that all articles in Draft space created by me could be moved to my User space. I would prefer to have them kept in Draft space (including so that others can see and work on them, rather than conveying "ownership" and removing from view) but permanently removed from the deletion queue. Or to get notice before they are deleted / given some report. This should not cause more work than is necessary including edits and admin actions to undo what admin actions are done. Could you advise if there a bunch more about to be eligible for deletion, and/or how can that be headed off? --Doncram (talk) 07:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Question about draftifying

Hi I’d like to ask your advice please as I seem to be doing something wrong. When I review new pages I often find articles lacking proper sourcing that I want to move from mainspace to draft. However there us often an existing draft of the same title, usually because the creator has copy pasted from draft to mainspace. What I generally do then is tag the article as G6 so the existing draft can be deleted and I can draftify the mainspace page. Sometimes admins agree to this and sometimes they don’t. Am I doing the wrong thing, and what should I do instead in these situations? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 10:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mccapra,

No, it's not you. Since the spring, I've been looking over the nightly "Draftification" report and there seems to be a growing number of editors who simply copy & paste articles that have been moved to Draft space back into a new main space version. I started a discussion about this at AFC back in June and there wasn't any agreement on how to handle it. And CSD A10 for duplicate articles doesn't cover having one version of an article in main space and another version in Draft space. It doesn't even cover having two identical versions of an article in Draft space. At least when I've tried tagging one draft version for speedy deletion in the past because it was a second copy, another admin has removed the tag and said it wasn't a valid criteria that could be applied in that situation.

What I've been doing lately is giving the editor, who usually is a new editor, a template warning about copy & paste moves with a personal note asking them to, in the future, either edit the draft copy or move the draftified article back to main space (which is allowed) rather than creating a second version. You could also turn the draft version into a redirect to the main space version but I realize that you're losing the original page history by doing this. A page merge is also possible at Misplaced Pages:Requests for history merge but this is typically not done if the page creator is the only editor on both pages.

Or you can try to tag the main space version as CSD G6 but, as you've seen, some speedy deletion assessments are a matter of judgment on the part of an admin. In another case, some admins believe CSD G4 (recreation of pages deleted in AFD discussions) applies to pages in Draft space and some admins think it doesn't, they believe it only applies to recreated articles in main space. There was a time when we had admins who would delete any page that had a speedy deletion tag, without even looking it over, but after desysoppings, those days are over and most admins who patrol CSD categories take the time to personally evaluate each request which means that your result could be different depending on who is evaluating the page. I know that when I evaluate CSD G5s (pages created by a ban-evading editor), I give more allowance if other editors have contributed to the page while other admins are much more strict about deleting pages created by a sockpuppet regardless of other editors' contributions.

So, I think if an article has already been draftified once, and in your judgment, it is really deficient, then AFD or PROD is the next step. Remember to state in an AFD rationale that the article has already been draftified once (or twice) because this fact will influence the response of some participants. I would only go to AFD if you think that an article can't be easily improved or if the page creator seems unusually obstinate. What we are also seeing in these situations is that as soon as the article gets tagged with an AFD, BOOM! suddenly the page creator wants to move it back to Draft space!

Those are just some observations. I have found it helpful to go to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Articles for creation or talk to AFC reviewers individually because they primarily deal with new editors and evaluating drafts and can offer me their opinion on whether a page has potential or should just be tagged for some form of deletion. Liz 20:06, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much that’s really useful to know. Mccapra (talk) 21:03, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Bpoppen13

Hi Liz, you gave this user a short block a couple of days ago, perhaps they need a longer break (straight back in with G3 article creations). Thank you JW 1961 19:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Joseywales1961,

Thanks for your quick attention to this editor. They are now indefinitely blocked. I don't think they made even one positive edit to the project. Liz 19:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your rapid response - we seem to get a lot people just trying to mess up the place! JW 1961 20:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I continue to be impressed at the speed at which vandals are noticed. There is one persistent sockpuppet vandal who keeps returning and I swear, his edits are typically stopped within 10 minutes even though he targets obscure pages that I doubt are on many Watchlists. We have a lot of great editors who keep watch over recent changes. Liz 20:29, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Statuette of the lady Tiye has been accepted

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Of course, the stuff above is mere boilerplate automatically generated by the AfC process. Well, that draft, terrible though it was (see the comments on the draft), looked a lot more interesting than most drafts, even in the state it was in when you submitted it. It's still pretty rough; but it would survive AfD, and thus qualifies. Cross fingers that somebody who really knows about this stuff and has time and patience will land on it and work on it some more. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, wow, Hoary, you really went to work on this, you spent your time getting this into better shape. All I did was submit it for review. Congratulations to you! Thank you for putting the effort into this little article. I bet if Rheaemory ever returns they will be greatly surprised to see how the little draft they started became an article on Misplaced Pages. Thanks again! Liz 23:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Makita AWS refund

Hello Liz, would it be possible to have a refund of Draft:Makita AWS to User:Sladen/Makita AWS—it came up in conversation yesterday so the content is probably useful to rescue somewhere… Appreciations, —Sladen (talk) 07:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sladen,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request. Draft:Makita AWS was deleted simply for being a stale draft, G13, which can be restored upon request. So, I have done so and made a minor edit to the page to make sure it isn't eligible again for CSD G13 for another six months. It doesn't need to be moved to user space unless that is your preferred location. Liz 21:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Ihsan El-kousy

Hello! Cn you please let me know the reason why you deleted my article of Ihsan El-kousy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoda Sidani (talk • contribs) 15:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hoda Sidani,

Okay this is a bit complicated. I deleted IhsanAhmadAlkousy because it was a broken redirect. It originally redirected to Ihsan El-Kousy but then that page was deleted when Scope creep moved the page to Draft:Ihsan El-Kousy. Misplaced Pages doesn't allow redirects from the main space to Draft space so that it was why Ihsan El-Kousy was deleted. That made the redirect from IhsanAhmadAlkousy a red link, a broken redirect so that page was also deleted. Ihsan El-kousy was also deleted by EurekaLott as a broken redirect.

Does this help explain things? If your draft is approved by AFC and move back to main space, you are free to recreate the redirects that were deleted. Liz 20:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Miki Agrawal???

hi liz!! im new to wiki & wanted to give a crack at my first AfC submission. im super interested in sustainability n i stumbled upon the Thinx wiki page. noticed that miki agrawal is in red --> which means that someone should look into possibly creating a page?? anyways, im interested in pursuing but wanted to ask you about your previous draft. don't want to step on any toes here!! maybe you just got bored lol all good, only wonderingggg xoxo -- Allthesensualsenses (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Allthesensualsenses,

I deleted Draft:Miki Agrawal because under Misplaced Pages policy, it qualified for a Speedy deletion under G13 grounds in that it was a draft page that had gone at least 6 months without a human editor (not a bot editor) making an edit to the page. That was the only reason for deletion, that it appeared to be an abandoned draft.

But drafts deleted for G13 reasons can be restored upon request. So, you can either choose to start a new draft from scratch or I can restore the old draft and you can work with whatever the previous editor had put together...from what I can see, it was definitely a good start to an article, they had already put found some sources for the biography. Let me know if you would like it restored. Liz 20:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

hi, Liz thx so much! ill get started & will let u know if i need any help :) just wasn't sure if there was some other reason like not being notable, etc. appreciate it mucho!!! -- Allthesensualsenses (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Allthesensualsenses,

Okay, I have restored it at Draft:Miki Agrawal. I'm not an expert on creating articles so if you find yourself stuck, I recommend visiting the Teahouse or Articles for Creation, two areas of Misplaced Pages that specialize in helping new editors. Good luck! Liz 23:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Liz ur a blessing! i would've been sooo lost tysm for a great intro to creating pages :) -- Allthesensualsenses (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Redeemer University

Hi Liz! I had tagged Redeemer University for deletion as a cut/paste move so that the page Redeemer University College could be moved to that title - The university underwent a name change and no longer has "college" in the title. Is there any way you can handle that or should I just re-tag it? Sorry for the confusion - I didn't catch it right away and so the edit history was a bit weird. In the future, do you know if there's a way for me to add that explanation somewhere? ThadeusOfNazereth 12:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I suppose theoretically the redirects could just be switched, so that Redeemer University College redirects to the correct title, but that probably still breaks the page history we need for attribution, right? ThadeusOfNazereth 12:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ThadeusOfNazereth,

Please start a discussion on Talk:Redeemer University College about moving the article to a new title. Do you have a source that establishes the name change? This article has a much longer and extensive edit history at this title and, if it is necessary, this page should be moved to a new name. But we are going to require some verification that the name of the school has changed. Please provide that on the article talk page. Thank you. Liz 01:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey Liz, Thanks for letting me know about the talk page - Yes, sources establishing it go back to the time of the change. Thankfully, somebody else beat me to the discussion. Is starting a discussion/listing at WP:Requested Moves a requirement, or just good practice? I've moved pages before, and want to make sure I follow whatever the norm would be in the future. Thanks again! ThadeusOfNazereth 01:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

No, a talk page discussion is appropriate. Often the problem is that sometimes, article talk page don't get a lot of traffic. But if there is another editor who has started a discussion, that is good. No, it's not required to go to WP:Requested Moves but the name change should be noted in the article with a source provided, ideally an official source for the school. Liz 02:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Appeal against the deletion of Misplaced Pages article 'NIOA'

I would like to contest the deletion of the Misplaced Pages article 'NIOA', The company it described is notable in regards to being covered by the Australian national media such as Nine News Australia over its attempts to import Alder shotguns into Australia.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/gunsmiths-working-around-adler-ban/5fa66410-da25-4a67-b14b-123804a82c2b
The coverage are not exclusively promotive. The company have also gathered notability by being awarded a contract to supply ammunition to the Australian Defence Force and weapons to the New Zealand Defence Force.
https://adbr.com.au/nioa-awarded-land17-1c2-artillery-ammunition-contract/
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land-amphibious/1805-army-artillery-enhanced-under-100m-project/
https://www.army-technology.com/news/nioa-supply-30-different-munitions-australian-military/
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/key-enablers/1530-australian-sme-to-deliver-weapon-systems-to-nzdf/
The page can be changed into something more neutral. It can be saved. Please, give the page another chance. -- Hu753 (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hu753,

It is not a matter of convincing me that this article should exist. The article was deleted after an AFD decision, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/NIOA, and any recreation in main space is subject to deletion by Misplaced Pages's guidelines on Speedy Deletion. All I can advise is that you work on a version of this article in Draft space and submit it to Articles for Creation for review. If it receives approval from an AFC reviewer, it can be moved back into the main space of the project. Liz 02:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Restoring The Wanksta36/sandbox2

Hi Liz!

Hope I'm doing this correctly. Seems my Sandbox2 page may have been deleted, as I mistakenly kept creating it as a page when I meant to just explore some functions. Can you restore? Thanks so much :)

Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by The wanksta36 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The wanksta36,

I won't restore The wanksta36/sandbox2 to keep it at this title, but I'll restore it to move to User:The wanksta36/sandbox2. However, you already have a page at this title, do you mind it being deleted or do you want to turn this page into User:The wanksta36/sandbox4? You can't have User pages in the main space of the project which is why it kept being deleted. Is that acceptable? Liz 19:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz!

Yes, restoring it to sandbox 4 would be great! Sorry for the inconvenience and mishap.

Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by The wanksta36 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Don't forget to sign your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~)! Liz 22:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Ali Fadhul/Archive 1

Author requested deletion with it's a pretty clear WP:G7 (not to mention as an error, also a WP:G6). Regards, 95.67.131.232 (talk) 04:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP,

It's an article talk page archive, there is no one page creator. Everyone who participated on the article talk page helped create that page. Liz 04:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

See and . The page itself has one author, who created it by accident, and promptly reversed the archival. You can check the archives at WT:CSD but it's pretty well established that g7 applies in these cases. Further as an obvious error WP:G6 also applies, but as you insist Thryduulf is an expert on this topic and one of the more conservative admins in matters of g6 who I'm nonetheless confident will confirm that in a few hours. Anyway it's early and I need to go for a jog, and then I have stuff to do during the day so follow up if needed will have to wait quite some time. Owing to circumstances beyond my control my IP is hopping everywhere so I'm trying to avoid extended discussion atm, but if really needed I may make an exception. Regards, 95.67.131.232 (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archives may not be speedily deleted. Liz is also correct that that everyone who participated on that thread is an author. I've also removed the AfD notice as (1) AfD only deals with articles, MfD is the venue for pages in the talk namespace, (2) There is no way that a talk page archive will gain consensus for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

The mis-archived thread still exists at Talk:Ali Fadhul and all posters are correctly listed at its history. Qwirkle just mis-clicked on the "Archive" button by OneClickArchiver. This is a terrible exercise in bureaucracy; just speedy that per G6/G7, for God's sake. No such user (talk) 11:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Mlječanica

Would you please restore Mlječanica that has been prodded by someone? Don't know what the content was, but it's a populated place that should have an article per WP:GEOLAND, and a notable one because of the spa. It has an extensive page at sr:Мљечаница (Козарска Дубица). No such user (talk) 08:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Ping? No such user (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Got it at WP:REFUND instead. Do you even read your talk page messages? No such user (talk) 13:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, No such user,

Most days, I do. Sorry I didn't this time. I sometimes skip to the bottom of the page and miss messages farther up on the page. Liz 16:13, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:G5

With regard to diff and diff: the pages' creator (BruhOfficial) has been confirmed as a sock of D4rkeRR9 (please see the SPI) and it's just a matter of time before they are blocked. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 12:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Shed Simove

Hi Liz, just saw your notes. Thanks for letting me know about Shed's article. I was hoping he would get more coverage in the past 12 months but alas it was not to be. I'll repost something if that happens. DanDavidCook (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

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Exchange article

Hi Liz, I was very surprised by the Bybit deletion to be honest, which was done without any discussion or community consensus. I know that crypto subjects are not well liked on Misplaced Pages per WP:GS/Crypto, so I know that it's a good idea to stay out of small companies. I would personally agree that over 90% of all new crypto-related articles are not notable enough, but anyone in the crypto community can tell you that Bybit is definitely notable as one of the best-known exchanges.

However, this company is very notable and one of the top 3 exchanges, with a lot of notable news from credible publications. A7 doesn't apply if you check all the citations. I also tried not to make the page sound promotional, even though many of the sources looked like PR. I also noticed that someone else has another draft at Draft:Bybit, but that version was very poorly written. That was why I wanted to give the draft a complete rewrite.

This is the equivalent of deleting something like Venmo or Squarespace simply because someone who doesn't know much about the industry thinks they are "A7". As a result, this article should be reviewed by editors who are actually knowledgeable about this industry.

Also this is clearly not promotion at all, since I don't even work for any crypto companies, but am just an amateur crypto enthusiast. They are one of the top 3 crypto derivatives exchange, so there's no way that they wouldn't be notable at all. This was supported by the citations that I provided. If this was the issue, I can revise and republish.

Thanks! All the best.

Ferrousmeteor8 (talk) 18:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ferrousmeteor8,

There is a skepticism about crypto-currencies on Misplaced Pages because there are so many people online trying to hype them up. I'd be willing to restore this as a draft, to replace that terrible draft, if you agree to submit it to AFC for review. Perhaps you can find an AFC reviewer who is knowledgeable about crpyto-currencies who can the draft. You might even ask at WikiProject Cryptocurrency if anyone there had any recommendations although their talk page doesn't seem to be very active. What do you think? Liz 23:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion rejection

One editor suggested that change, the other moved to a similar title because a manual move was impossible, but the same later acknowledged (in another place) that the shorter title was best. The talk page discussion isn't primarily about the title, it was mentioned in passing without any opposition being voiced. So, I see no grounds to reject a speedy move. Avilich (talk) 23:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Avilich,

You stated in your CSD tag that there was consensus for this move and I don't see any consensus on the article talk page. Those are my grounds for declining to take action. Liz 23:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, not in that talk page, but, as I've shown now, all 3 editors -- me, Jenhawk777, and Editor2020 -- agree on the shorter one. Can't we skip several procedures here? Avilich (talk) 23:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of your answer, I brought the issue up in the talk page. Thanks for taking the time. Avilich (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for starting a discussion there. Recently, there has been a lot of disagreements and disputes over titles of articles for this historical era and I'm reluctant to move a major article based on one editor's opinion. Liz 23:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Can you help me out here? One Materialscientist, apparently with no clue whatsoever, has now reverted my tag again, this time without explanation, even though I did exactly what I said above, and all 3 involved editors, this time in the talk page, have now declared in favor of a move. Avilich (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:165 BC deaths

A tag has been placed on Category:165 BC deaths indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, UnitedStatesian, you beat me to it. ;-) Liz 02:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Pokémon competitive play

Pokémon competitive play was moved, blanked and CSD'ed. The redirect from the move should be restored. There are many incoming links. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Mail

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivor Sopwith (talk • contribs) 00:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:William Lanson

Hello Liz,

I have created a new page about William Lanson. I had clicked on the "publish"button months ago, but the page hasn't been published. What do I need to do?

Also, I have expanded a stub about George Henry Durrie, and would like to how I can create a table of contents.

Thank you,

Ivor SopwithIvor Sopwith (talk) 00:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ivor Sopwith,

You need to submit it to Articles for Creation for review. Just go to the AFC page and copy the submit code and add it to the top of the page. I encourage you to submit it to AFC for review but if you don't add the code to the page, no one knows the draft is there and ready for a review.

Whether or not there is a table of contents depends on how many sections there are on the page. I believe that there is a table of contents if there are four or more sections with headers on the page. The format of the article will automatically generate a table of contents, it's nothing you can add. If you have questions about article creation and editing on Misplaced Pages, the best place to go is the Teahouse or AFC. There are editors there who are more experienced than I am with content creation. Liz 02:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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I don't think that could solve the type of problem in this case.

I have been editing for 10 years and I find such suggestions abusive, I can't see how that would lead to anything but me spending time on nothing. The topic is not policies but willingness to solve an issue. I am quite content with what I have achieved in Misplaced Pages, and leave it with that, and just conclude some things are just not possible. I put my efforts in other things right now.

Thanks for the invitation, hope it was good ment but not that well considered?

--Zzalpha (talk) 07:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zzalpha,

Abusive? I was trying to offer you a suggestion of where you could get some support from fellow editors. You have less that 500 edits, I didn't view you as a long-time, experienced editor and your post on Firefly's talk page sounded like you had some basic questions about how to keep a draft article from being deleted.

I'm sorry if you found it offensive. That was not my intention. I won't bother you again. Good luck with your article. Liz 17:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Gillian Brown - deleted draft (Tyzer007/GillianBrown)

Hi, I've been asked by the actress Gillian Brown to help set-up a wiki page about her and her work. She was previously working with Tyzer007 but for various reasons that have parted company. I am new to wiki but find Tyzer007 draft has been deleted before I was able to look at what had been written (Tyzer007/GillianBrown). Is it possible to restore the draft so that I can at least make a copy of it please? I will need to read up on how to set up a page and edit, but it would just be nice to have a copy of the material as to my knowledge the draft was the only copy. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almoore99 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Almoore99,

It looks like Draft:Gillian Brown (actress) has been restored already. Please disclose your conflict-of-interest on your User page and state whether you are being compensated for editing this article or any others. See Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure for more information.

If you have questions about editing on Misplaced Pages, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thanks. Liz 00:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for LiveWorkPlay

An editor has asked for a deletion review of LiveWorkPlay. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Extraordinary Writ,

Thanks for letting me know. It was a pretty straight-forward speedy deletion case. Liz 00:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The Life of Immigrants in California

Hi @Liz, I thought you'd like to know that a page you previously deleted has recently popped back into existence. It's quite uncanny. Salimfadhley (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

pls restore historic hotels articles, and stop deleting any more

Hi, could you please restore Draft:Hotel La Rose, Draft:Stonepine Estate, and Draft:La Valencia Hotel. These are all valid Misplaced Pages articles, on historic hotels. I think i already addressed you on some others in this group. About 50 or so were moved to draft space in an unfair-in-my-view ANI proceeding, more than half have been restored to mainspace, but i have not yet gotten to these ones. Also, could you or someone inform me in advance about what you or they are going to delete? Again, these are all valid, i don't do shit work, FWIW. --Doncram (talk) 05:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Doncram,

I knew that you would come over and complain about a valid CSD G13 deletion so I tagged them for deletion to inform you about their status but I didn't actually do the deletion. You'll have to go complain to another administrator who actually deleted them or go to WP:REFUND. Liz 05:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

That hardly seems helpful. You knew it was invalid and that I would point that out to you? Could you please just restore them now, please. And/or ask whoever else you want to blame for doing the invalid deletion, to restore them. You know what you have done. Fix it now please. --Doncram (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

They were not invalid. They were eligible for CSD G13 speedy deletion. They appeared on the G13 eligible list. So, I tagged them and posted a noticed to your talk page. Liz 05:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy belated Thanksgiving!

	Happy belated Thanksgiving!
	Happy belated Thanksgiving! Huggums537 (talk) 10:16, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

List of Alvin and the Chipmunks characters

Hey there. I noticed that you speedy deleted List of Alvin and the Chipmunks characters, and I fear that something's not right here. I don't understand why most of this happened, but it appears that User:MegaSmike46 split the characters section of Alvin and the Chipmunks into a new article without tagging it appropriately. Another editor mistakenly tagged it as a copyvio of some random Tumblr page, which I declined (and then I added the relevant copied-from information on the talk page). MegaSmike46 then mostly-blanked the page and moved it to draftspace, which I thought was inappropriate for established content, so I reverted it. MegaSmike46 then blanked the article entirely and tagged it for G7 deletion, which you performed.

In any case, G7 was clearly not appropriate here—it amounts to claiming others' work as one's own. I think that either the article should be restored or some version of the information should be re-inserted in the main article. It wasn't the best material, but at least some of it was referenced. What do you think? - Eureka Lott 01:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eureka Lott,

Well, User:MegaSmike46 created that page and then later tagged it for deletion as a request from the page creator. And since there were no substantial contributions from other editors, there was no reason to decline their request. Do you know what page they might have split the material to? I could look into the page deleted via copyright violations. It could be there was a version before the copyright violations were added that could be restored. A link to any deleted pages would be helpful. Liz 01:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Or, you could revert their edits to Alvin and the Chipmunks. It looks like they took material from that page. Sorry I didn't quite understand your message on the first reading. Liz 01:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Eureka Lott, I just did the revert myself. If this results in a talk page discussion, you might need to go there to make your case. Liz 01:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. Another chunk of the Alvin and the Chipmunks article was split to List of Alvin and the Chipmunks specials & home video releases, so I'll remove that section from the main article again and tag the new page appropriately. - Eureka Lott 02:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Category restore

Hello, Liz. I accepted a recent AfC submission that would now populate Category:Comic strips started in the 1920s. When I clicked the red link to create the page, I got this note:

A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted.

If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.

• 16:26, 12 October 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page Category:Comic strips started in the 1920s (C1: Empty category) (thank)

I figured restoring the previous history would be better than making a new page. Could you please undelete the page?
Thanks, 2pou (talk) 06:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 2pou,

 Done Empty categories are one of the easiest, simplest kinds of page restoration. If it is needed, then it can be restored upon request. Liz 06:43, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Query

I believe you may have inadvertently deleted my second sandbox page? at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User%3ACBDB.CBDB%2Fsandbox02 Still a newbie at this but Is there a way to get it back again?CBDB.CBDB (talk) 00:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CBDB.CBDB,

No, this wasn't an inadvertent mistake. This page had copyright infringements from several different sources. The deletion notice on User:CBDB.CBDB/sandbox02 lists the sources. You can't copy content from another source and place it on a page on Misplaced Pages for legal reasons. We must delete it when we discover it. All articles have to be original content.

If you have questions about article creation or copyright guidelines, the best place to go is the Teahouse where experienced editors can answer your questions. Liz 00:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware that I used that page to keep my sources and references and text snatches, which I was working on, with sentences going to be properly referenced. I was under the impression that sandboxes have slightly different rules in order to support this kind of sand-box work. Is that not the case? Sorry to have to ask, and I will head to the tea house, but just the sandbox issue would be good to know as I am preparing my first pages in the sand box. (P.s. I feel lost without wysiwyg editor.) Thank you. CBDB.CBDB (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CBDB.CBDB,

Copyright rules apply everywhere on Misplaced Pages, even talk pages. As far as Sandboxes, they are not subject to some forms of speedy deletion which are applied if you put your page directly into the main space of the project. For example, you could have a blank page in your User space or a page without any references and that is fine, but if it was in the main space, it could be deleted. Other forms of speedy deletion, like copyright and promotion/advertising, do apply everywhere.

If you go into your Editor Preferences and enable email (associate an email address with your account), I could email the content to you but I can't restore it on any page on Misplaced Pages. Then, if you choose to, you could disable your email if you don't want anyone to be able to contact you via email. It's under your control. Liz 01:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hello

I wanted to thank you for some pages you deleted today after I moved them. These pages were created by user Washington Lincoln (talk · contribs), who seems to have created several pages with issues and also seems to do a lot of page moving, maybe even when not necessary or appropriate. I noticed you had posted on their talk page before, as have I recently, attempting to help this user, but they are not communicative... at all. I wanted to ask if you were perhaps keeping an eye on the situation? I think it would be good to try and steer this person in the right direction, before their editing becomes problematic and has to be dealt with formally. Anyway, t'was just a thought. Lemme know if you have thoughts on this yourself, if you'd care to share. Cheers - wolf 09:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi again. There still seems to be an ongoing issue with this user, specifically article creation, page moves and refusal to communicate. I noted you had posted a warning on their talk page previously, and wanted to know if you might be able to follow up on this situation. If you could let me know one way or another, it would be appreciated. Thanks - wolf 15:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Bad actor

That's interesting. In fact, I created the article, then decided that I should wait a couple of weeks to see if better sourcing would appear, since the overall outline depended heavily on one article in Slate, backed up by the same contemporaneous sources that the Slate article was using. I'm hoping that some broader research emerges. While it's not a BLP, I had second thoughts and decided I'd like to see more before publishing. Acroterion (talk) 02:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Acroterion,

I didn't look at the deleted article after seeing its history (that only you had edited it) so I have no idea what that editor was referring to. Do you? Liz 02:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Miller was a noteworthy antivaxxer of the 1950s, who was convinced that polio was a nutritional problem brought about by soft drinks, refined flour, and sugar in general. In some ways he was ahead of his time, and he followed a playbook that has seen considerable use in the past year. Obviously, he has relevance nowadays. Acroterion (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I get it. I see the "political" nature of this article. That must have been a widely-read Slate article for a reader to go searching and find the deleted page. Liz 02:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Google cached it, so the article shows up at the head of the Google search rankings, and of course then leads to the notice that it was deleted. In point of fact, I'm seeing some more material now, so I think I'll reinstate it and expand it. Acroterion (talk) 02:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It must be nice to know your work is in hot demand! Liz 02:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It's definitely relevant. I've restored it, minus the userspace development edits, and added a couple more references. It's a bit eerie to see how closely it parallels current events, and how the U.S. Attorney was able to enforce mail fraud statutes in those days. Acroterion (talk) 03:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

About the article NOlympics LA

I had noticed that the article was created. So I wanted to add more information, I tried my best to add sources but my edits were biased and the user thinks that I am grammarly inncorrect. Any thoughts and advice? SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SpinnerLaserzthe2nd,

I posted a notice on their talk page. Unfortunately, they seem to be focused on this one particular article but they are very new so I'd just give it a little time. You could try starting a discussion on the article talk page. Let me know if there are ownership issues down the road. Liz 04:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there is anything I can do to make unbiased edits? I stopped making biased edits. Also, I cannot find any good sources that were critical of the organization. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'd be very careful about using words like "controversial" and "notorious" unless they are backed by sources. That's not neutral. The easiest thing to do though is to spend your time on other articles. Liz 04:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

CFI Financial

Hii Liz. Thanks for passing by on CFI Financial. I am Dr. Rami Tarawneh. I am a wikipedian for almost two decades. Sadly, even with my four wikimanias, we did not cross paths. I contribute mostly on Arabic wikipedia. I was an admin, CU, and Bero there, until the will-known Egypt incident. That was when Jimbo tweeted that I was a hero. I am co-founder of Wikimedians of the Levant usergroup, and a Member of the organizing committee of Wikiarabia 2016 Conference. I am also an admin on commons for almost 15 years now. I can assure you that neither me nor my students are associated with CFI Financial. CFI Financial entity was checked by a team in the University. All articles the students work on are initially screened by a team of five professors to make sure that it is eligible and had the Notability required. We have a huge program at the university (NUCT). Actually I started programs in three major universities in Jordan; JU, AHU, and NUCT. I know the pressure when handling new articles. I have been here. I totally understand the process, and appreciate the efforts. I know we all have lots to do in the real world, but I would apprentice it if you have another pass on the article. --Tarawneh (talk) 04:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Torn (2013 American film)

Hi Liz. Someone moved Torn (2013 American film) to User:Torn for some reason and you fixed that. Is the redirect still needed or should the user page be tagged for deletion per WP:U2? FWIW, I came across this because the movie poster being used in the infobox was flagged for a WP:NFCC#9 due to the move. That's no longer a problem since you reverted the move, but I just noticed the redirect on the user page and was wondering if it's needed anymore. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Marchjuly,

It looks like Fastily deleted the redirect. It wasn't needed, especially because it was from a nonexistent user page, and I probably should have taken care of it myself but I didn't notice it at the time. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'll try to be a bit faster responding to messages. It was a strange page move for this editor, I don't know what prompted them to move the page unless they have another article they wanted to use that main space title for. Liz 18:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

There was no great rush Liz. I was just curious as to whether there was some reason for keeping the page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Nico Estevez

Hi there! I saw that you removed the G13 tag on the draft, but I added it mainly because there is already a published article for the draft: Nico Estévez. How can I nominate this draft for deletion properly?

Thank you, BRDude (talk) 17:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BrazilianDude70

Okay, I see two options. If you use Twinkle, tag it CSD G6 "Housekeeping and non-controversial cleanup" and in the rationale field, write "Duplicate of Nico Estévez. An admin will have to evaluate the reason but some will accept that reason. OR, you could choose to turn the page into a redirect from Draft space to Nico Estévez. There are thousands of redirects from Draft space to main space versions of the articles. They are not very helpful as redirects because readers aren't searching in Draft space for articles but. nonetheless, they exist. You could try nominating it for deletion at MFD but I'm not sure it would be successful and how much time do you want to spend on this page?

Misplaced Pages allows a lot of leeway in Draft space for all kinds of pages that would not be acceptable in the main space of the project. And if no one edits the page, it can be deleted as a CSD G13 in six months and then will disappear. I hope this helps. Liz 18:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Very helpful, thank you very much! BRDude (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Truls Klausen

Hi Liz, how come you G13-deleted this draft? I expanded it earlier today, so it was no longer abandoned. I didn't tag it with {{submit}} because if I did and it got mainspaced, it would then be credited as my creation, which would be wrong (the creator is indef-blocked, as I noted in the edit summary for my second, longer edit). Doesn't the automatically generated G13 tag go away when a draft is edited? Or was I too late? Please restore it (per IAR if I was indeed too late; there was time for one of the reviewers I pinged in the edit summary to thank me). Thanks if you do. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Yngvadottir,

I'm so sorry, I'm very careful looking over drafts but it looks like I made a mistake here. My only excuse is that today we have two lists we are working with, drafts whose last edit was May 30th and those whose last edit was May 31st (since there is no November 31st) so that's over 400 drafts to look over. I apologize and have restored the page. Of course, expired drafts can be restored upon request but that's not necessary since I erred this time. Again, I'm sorry for my blunder. Liz 21:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I have a more informative, but much longer, answer about how we used to handle expiring drafts, how everything was changed by a bot in September 2020, how we handle things now, how it's now become my main task on Misplaced Pages, the huge importance of talk page notices to page creators and more should you want to know more about our increasing number of G13s. May be more suitable for an email message though. Liz 22:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It would probably just make my head spin :-) I hate the way AfC has been weaponized; it's almost impossible to get an article out of there now once an admin has draftified it, especially if it's on a company, and I have the impression it would be a terrible violation of some sort for me to just move such articles myself after working on them. (And I'd be bound to miss some machine-readable point of process normally done by the AfC helper script.) But it follows inevitably from the professionalization of both NPP and AfC, where both have become rights to use a script, so they attract even more gatekeeper-minded editors than they used to. And from where I sit, the viewpoint that business-related articles are almost ineevitably promotional and that promotion on businesses is one of the biggest dangers to the project is a very common one, notably among admins (Iridescent once told me it's the view of only a small group; I wish I didn't keep seeing evidence of its effectively representing consensus). And beyond that, I remember that AfC was supposed to offer guidance and so I and others used to recommend it to new editors as a way to get knowledgeable help and a higher chance of their article surviving after mainspacing; it's been years since I can recommend it at all, since all I see is drafts being templated with uninformative rejection messages, including those that say continued submission risks the article being permanently failed, and those that include a big red stop sign because a single reviewer has decided the topic is unsuitable for Misplaced Pages. Then the draft gets deleted 6 months later and nobody is any the wiser (including admins; who's conscientious enough to search including draft space even if they can see the deleted versions?) And since we don't link to draft space from mainspace, there won't even be suggestive redlinks; even pre-existing redlinks will likely have been removed if the page was draftified.

But I have no solutions to offer: Kudpung was very proud of that professionalization, so it must have had merits; I do believe business promotion being a dire threat to Misplaced Pages is the dominant/consensus viewpoint, and my viewpoint that that's a form of bias and there are in any case much more serious threats, a minority view; despite limiting article creation to confirmed editors, we still get floods of new pages that merit speedy deletion, I saw the firehose and samples of the defamatory ones when I was an admin, and I've thought for many years that one of our problems is that many new editors are unfamiliar with the concept of an encyclopedia; and Hanlon's razor: the Klausen draft is from one of the last batches by an incompetent editor (who used AfC! one of the complaints against them was that they kept "spamming" AfC), incompetence is real, and the Norwegian Misplaced Pages article is unreferenced, possibly not unrelated to the fact that the Norwegian newspapers are mostly paywalled and their older archives may not even have been digitized, in which Norway is hardly alone (the UK is worse except for the tabloids, and unfortunately we aren't allowed to use the Mail even from when it was simply mass-market and thus covered un-snobbish stuff like fat cats and criminal convictions, rather than bending the law and playing fast and loose with the truth)—no solution comes to mind for people being terrible at article-writing, persisting in using machine translations even when we keep repeating we don't want them, or shooting themselves in the foot by not giving Misplaced Pages editors access to their online archive so they can get lots of lovely traffic. And my usual caveat to those who are unaware: I probably shouldn't even express an opinion on policy matters of problems for the project, since not only did I decline to run for admin again for personal reasons, so it may be entirely my fault that I can't fix stuff, but I now try to keep to 99 edits a month and have so far as I am able, stopped creating new articles, because it makes me ill to appear to endorse the WMF by just continuing as usual as if Framgate hadn't happened or as if they had ever apologized to us for that or any of their other demonstrations of contempt and claims that we work for them. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I just scanned over this and need to digest it thoroughly to give you a decent response. You've given me a lot to think about. I have mainly talked about the situation with AFC with DGG who has his own concerns that he could express to you. What I see, at my end, are abandoned drafts and I'd say half of them were never submitted to AFC and the other half were rejected by an AFC reviewer. While persistent paid editors get all of the attention & worry, I mainly see editors who make an attempt at article writing (most of the time, it's not very good or ever terrible) who leave at their first rejection. I don't know how to get them to stick around and work at getting better at it. I frequently see editors who spend a few hours one day trying to write an article and then give up and don't come back. How do you persuade people to put in the time to improve? I don't know.

For the rest of this, I will return and reply later. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Liz 02:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Karl Taylor (boxer)

Hi Liz. Delete the article talk page that is Talk:Karl Taylor (boxer) and The article never exists so it's also meet's G3 I believe. 68.193.199.8 (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for tagging that page. It is very hard to stumble upon orphaned talk pages. Liz 00:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. 68.193.199.8 (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

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CSD of Thompson, Sanford, & Ginocchio

I tagged it a second time thinking another Admin might see it differently, or if it were you again, you might look closer. The actual name of this firm is "Thompson, Sanders and Ginocchio". That is SANDERS, not SANFORD. There is a redirect Thompson, Sanders and Ginocchio, which is obviously useful. But I created this one hastily, and think it is implausible because it uses a totally different name which is not a common typo or natural misspelling. Your original comment was "this seems like a reasonable redirect as an alternative name mentioned in the article", which applies to the version with SANDERS but not this one. Thanks. MB 14:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MB,

Thanks for spelling it out for me in clear, block letters so I can understand it. I spend a lot of time editing and sometimes I miss the obvious. Sorry. Liz 02:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

What on earth is going on?

Hi Liz-- I've got a bit of an odd situation going on and I'm not sure how to deal with it. I've never seen anything like this before and was wondering if you might offer your input. While scrolling through new pages, I encountered the page Pindiga, which at first appeared to be pure vandalism. I was about to tag it for deletion until I saw the edit history, where the author of the page said that the "nonsense information" will be erased and replaced with real information about a Nigerian town. What is going on here and what do you suggest I do? Thanks, Helen(💬📖) 02:38, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helen,

I see I've already left this editor warning messages from earlier this year. I deleted the page. You can't warn off other editors from editing a page or say that you're going to start with joke edits. If they want to write a serious article, they now have a clean slate. I'd like to ask you to look over his recently created redirects but you might want to keep your distance from them. It's your call. Thanks for letting me know. Liz 02:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I’m not a new pages reviewer, but the redirects to Mrs. Doubtfire seem fine to me. I’ve watched the movie and know that Lydia, Chris, Natty, Winston, Miranda, and Daniel are all characters. I’m not aware of any policy against making redirects for fictional characters-- if that were the case, I don't think Billy Loomis or Stu Macher would redirect to List of Scream (film series) characters). Helen(💬📖) 03:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I trust your judgment. I'm not familiar with the film but unless there are last names, it seems like those could be names of lots of fictional characters. I just saw that a number of his redirects had been nominated at WP:RFD. Thanks for checking. Liz 03:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, the names on the redirects do have last names. I just shortened it to their first names in this message for brevity. Helen(💬📖) 03:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Accusations of conducting a "cut-and-paste move"

Hi Liz, on my talk page you incorrectly accused me of conducting a "cut-and-paste move". This is incorrect - I created a page at Philippe Lavigne, user:dan_arndt moved it to Draft:Philippe Lavigne and flagged the original page for speedy deletion. In the 23 minutes it took for me to notice this and find references, the original page had been deleted - so I recreated it with the sources/references included. All edits incorporated in the page were done by me, so there was no risk of attribution being missed. The page I created should not have been speedily deleted in the first place, as it was obvious that it was notable (chief of a UN nation's military) and information contained therein was factual (easily verified by googling or checking the french language article). If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to let me know. SECProto (talk) 03:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SECProto,

Draft:Philippe Lavigne has never been deleted. Philippe Lavigne was deleted but it was a redirect from main space to draft space, it didn't have any content other than a link. The proper step if you disagree with an article being moved to Draft space is to move the draft back into main space of the project, not start a new version of the article in main space. You are completely free to disagree with an article being "draftified". Now, there are two articles, one in main space, one in draft space. I agree there aren't problems with attribution, I just want to discourage you from doing this again in the future, just move the draft back. It was just a notice, it was not intended as a warning. Liz 03:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Roger, how do I move the draft back", when it contains no content or edits that would be maintained? The history that it contains is my creation, people moving it to draft, person adding "draft" categorization stuff, and my adding references. The first and last are reflected in the history of the main article, and the other three edits are not relevant to the real article. I also can't move it to article space without overwriting the current cited article, which has since had 6 useful edits from others adding categorization etc. I think the best step moving forward would be to delete the draft article, but I don't know how to do that. SECProto (talk) 04:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I added it to Category:Candidates for history merging for an admin to merge their edit history. SECProto (talk) 04:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Dietary Supplements members

Hello Liz, could your restore Category:WikiProject Dietary Supplements members? There is now a member implementing the userbox on their user page, thank you. Jerm (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jerm,

 Done Category:WikiProject Dietary Supplements members is restored but is empty right now. If it still empty at 01:02 UTC Friday, it'll appear on the Empty Category list and be tagged again. But it needs to be tagged for 7 days before it will be deleted again. So, you might want to assign a page to it before then. Thanks! Liz 20:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and it's now in use but by one person. It's a start though. Jerm (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: User page disruption

Thank you for your help Liz. All seems to be in order. Have a good day. :) Samuel J Walker (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Samuel J Walker,

I think he's a very young editor but I found he did the same thing back in September. I only saw it because the bad page move was tagged for speedy deletion. If you are ever personally harassed like this with silly vandalism, just bring it to the attention of an active administrator. You shouldn't have to put up with this nonsense. Liz 22:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Will do, thank you. Samuel J Walker (talk) 22:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Remove Speedy Deletion for Deri Lorus (singer)

Hi, this user KH-1 always placing the tag on the article I've created. Nonsmoker0000 (talk) 07:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I need some assistance on Deri Lorus (singer) page. A user continues to placing the CSD for an article. Not allowing me to do anything. Help me. Thank you! Nonsmoker0000 (talk) 08:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Note that Nonsmoker0000 is probably a sock of IveMadeAn for removal of the CSD template. JavaHurricane 08:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Blocked, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Spreadmediaglobal. JavaHurricane 09:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

• Nonsmoker0000 is indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet. JBW (talk) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Hi, Iam Dhaneesh Ram, Just I saw that article Deri Lorus (singer) has been deleted.and he is a popular music director in Tamil Nadu. You can Know about him here Previously article about him is deleted many times as of, article doesn't meet notability guidelines. But now he is notable person. So please can you have a look on this issue. Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 10:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Other uploads by WMF-banned sockpuppet

Hey again. Thanks for deleting the uploads that I tagged. Other uploads by Meganesia still remain. What to do with them? --George Ho (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, George Ho,

This is a bit complicated because of the intertwining block log of both the sockpuppeteer and the sockpuppet so they sat into CSD categories for a while. I think it's best for you to tag them so that some admin can look them over if I'm busy. I'm not always a fan of your campaign to delete sound files from the project but in this case I agree. Thank you. Liz 00:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

"campaign to delete sound files" is a fairly extreme mischaracterization of WP:NFCC#3a/WP:NFCC#8 enforcement. Although it may appear counter-productive, there are important legal reasons for enforcing WP:NFCC, so you should be thanking George instead of chastising him. -FASTILY 02:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I just see the files tagged for deletion and I mourn the loss of some great music from articles on the project. But if this must be done, that's fine, I follow the rules and delete the files. I just regret that we can't keep them. I think they add a lot to our articles on musicians and bands. Liz 02:40, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

George Ho, I apologize if I offended you. I realize you are just doing your job. I just miss the musical tunes. Liz 05:19, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Undelete Carowinds and talk page

You deleted the Carowinds talk page per G8 but the page Carowinds should never have been deleted. There was an ongoing discussion on that talk page, and you deleted it. See the discussion at User talk:Jimfbleak. Both the primary article page and the talk page should be restored immediately. There was no valid rationale for its deletion.—JlACEer (talk) 05:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, JlACEer,

The page appeared on Misplaced Pages:Database reports/Orphaned talk pages and orphaned talk pages are deleted. If the article is restored at Misplaced Pages:REFUND or Misplaced Pages:Deletion review, the talk page will be restored. I've pinged the deleting administrator to the REFUND discussion and I'd have to hear from him before restoring the article or talk page. Have patience, the right decision will happen, it might take a few days. Liz 05:17, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the reassurance that these pages can be restored. I think it's obvious that user:Jimfbleak failed to do due diligence prior to deleting the article and I do feel that he needs to be admonished for his carelessness. As others have pointed out, a simple comparison of dates would have revealed that the alleged copyright violation involved nothing more than a parrot site. There was no notice, no discussion, no warning, no rollback to a previous version. The G12 criteria specifically states: "Only if the history is unsalvageably corrupted should it be deleted in its entirety; earlier versions without infringement should be retained," yet nothing was retained. user:Jimfbleak completely ignored Misplaced Pages policy.—JlACEer (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you so much for your advice . Will make sure to follow ! Akbar1972 (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Akbar1972,

Thank you for the barnstar! Good luck with your article...creating a new article is probably the hardest task on Misplaced Pages so if you need help and support, remember the Teahouse! Thanks again. Liz 23:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Category Importance for the Sports Project

Hello Liz, I hope your doing well. I am new editor and have been working in the sports projects and education project. I noticed there is not importance categories available in the sports project and tried to create it and noticed you had deleted a page previously. Or that is the notification I saw anyway. I was wondering if you could let me know what has happened in the past with the project categories and if I could create importance categories for the sports project? DannyHatcher (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DannyHatcher,

Could you give me an example of a category that you want to create that has been deleted? Then I could see whether it was deleted through a discussion or whether it was deleted simply because it was empty. If you are talking about WikiProject article assessment categories, we deleted a lot of those over the summer for WikiProjects that are inactive or defunct and not assessing articles any longer so it's unlikely those would be recreated. Taking on article assessment for a WikiProject involves a lot of editors willing to take on the responsibility and isn't a one person job.

Oh, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I'm glad you dove in and found some work you are finding enjoyable. Although Misplaced Pages has been around for almost 21 years, there is still a lot of work to do! Liz 23:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: ah it might have been inactive as many of the editors in the sports field seem to be in smaller more specific projects. I was referring to the high, medium, low importance for articles. I am going through sport science articles and there are lots of them which I have categorized myself on my user page but it is becoming quite long and cumbersome to organize. I was hoping I could categorize them with tags or project categories so I could use the table like view. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, enjoying it so far, and yes, lots of work to be done. DannyHatcher (talk) 01:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

An example or two would still help, but, yes, it sounds like you are talking about article assessment categories. I know they were deleted for the defunct WikiProjects (WikiProjects that haven't been active in 5 or more years) and also some inactive ones (which have typically been inactive for 2 years or more). Reviving a WikiProject is a big undertaking, I think they usually suggest having at least 3-5 other editors to assist.

You could try inquiring at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council which oversees proposals for new WikiProjects but they aren't terribly active these days. WikiProjects were huge on Misplaced Pages around 2006-2013, with thousands of them flourishing but now there are just a few hundred ones that are reliably active. It's hard to maintain a high activity level for years as many people's real lives get busy and they don't have time to work on Misplaced Pages at the level they did when they were in school or when they were single or when they were at another stage of their life. Having kids, new jobs, moving to a new location, illness, real life can interrupt the editing work of even the most devoted editors. It's amazing that we have editors here who have been active for over 15 years! Liz 01:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Liz:. I have left a message in the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council page about the categories. I have spoken with a few editors on some of the pages and they only do a couple of edits when they can which is why the project page looks inactive. My goal would be just to get the importance up so I can focus on some articles to get some other people involved. It is too messy at the moment to get the other people I know involved. I have made the category pages, best as I can but the Sports template doesn't seem to be attaching the new categories and I don't have admin privileges to change anything in there. I assume that is the last bit I am missing. Any help would be appreciated. :) DannyHatcher (talk) 21:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Rewriting page you deleted

Hello. I would like to rewrite from scratch a page that you deleted. Can you please enable the page to be rewritten. Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Prasanna_Coomar_Tagore

Anderson1970 (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Anderson1970,

Prasanna Coomar Tagore was just a redirect, an empty page with a link to another page, in this case, Prasanna Kumar Tagore. It doesn't make sense to recreate a redirect unless the target page exists. Prasanna Kumar Tagore was deleted by MER-C for copyright problems so you will have to ask them whether or not they are willing to restore that page. It will probably depend on whether or not they can find a version of the page that isn't plagued by copyright problems. They are the best judge of that. Good luck! Liz 04:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Talkback: you've got messages!

Qwerfjkltalk

RE: President of the European University Institute (or TWINKLE)

Thanks for letting me know. I checked my preferences, and the checkbox is checked for all CSD related templates Twinkle can add. That pertains to the technical aspect - the social aspect is less straightforward. Is there a policy or help page about this? I'm a bit uncertain how to balance between WP:GOODFAITH and WP:DENY. I tend to lean towards WP:DENY more, as a result of experiences doing admin work on MediaWiki.org. —Mainframe98 _talk 13:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article Stewart Vaughan

Dear Liz, Thank you for your e-mail. First, may I say, for the reason that follows, that, apart from the odd spelling correction, I have hardly touched wikipedia for over a year. I will have to go back to the online course I took and learn how to do it again. Then I will have to practice, doing minor edits to existing pages (when justified, obviously). I still consider Misplaced Pages to be the top reliable resource on the web, and when I did my online course, I was very happy. The reason I stopped, is the deletion of my article. As I say in a previous talk, I have seen many articles that are far less referenced than mine, and they have not been deleted. If you Google , you will find that Google reference him substantially. So I cannot understand the disdain with which my initial article was deleted. Jimmy Wales sent me a request for money. For the first time, I declined. As I say above, I love and respect wikipedia. I want to be able to contribute again. So, as I also say above, I will relearn how to do it, and then I will request the undeletion of my page. This will take time, so there is no hurry from my end; as long as delaying doesn't mean the article, into which I put a lot of work will be squashed forever. I have you have any advice for me of how to "get back on the horse", I would be grateful. Thanks. Kirkleyditch (talk) 13:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kirkleyditch,

Upon your request, I have restored Draft:Stewart Vaughan. You have access to the entire history of the article, all edits. But this is the third restoration and I think that it's unlikely that an admin will restore it a fourth time so please continue to work on it, even a little bit at a time, so it doesn't fall into "stale draft" territory (6 months with no human edits).

If you have questions about an AFC review, it's best to go directly to the reviewer and ask them about it or, if they are slow to respond, go to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk or the Teahouse to get some more information on what you can do to meet their approval. Sometimes it's just 1 or 2 better references or some copyediting. Good luck! Liz 21:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article J. Craig Wheeler

I've been updating this article for a former president of the American Astronomical Society and Fellow of the American Physical Society. Please undelete so I can save my last edit. Thankyou. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, StarryGrandma,

I don't understand your request. J. Craig Wheeler page was deleted in 2006 and the entire content of the page was:

"J. Craig Wheeler was a twentieth century American astrophysicist.""

That's it. I don't see any recent edits to the page. If you are working on a draft, I'd just move it over to this title. Liz 20:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, it was Draft:J. Craig Wheeler that I was editing when it disappeared. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, StarryGrandma, this is my fault. Draft:J. Craig Wheeler is restored. I don't know how I missed seeing your recent edits. I look over hundreds of expiring drafts each day and this is the second time in a week I deleted a draft for being stale that had a recent edit to it. I don't remember this happening since I took on this task in September 2020. I think it's a sign I need to slow down. My apologies to you. Thank you for coming to me, I'm glad this blunder had an easy solution. Liz 21:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Emma Bunting topic

Hi Liz, with regards to your tag removal, to clarify, I am looking to create a fresh article at that topic unrelated to the redirect, and wished to remove the redirect which I had previously renamed (it was itself of no significance, and the existing links to the article were related to the person whom I am looking to create an article for). Bungle 22:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bungle,

Thank you for your explanation. I think the easiest thing to do is to change the redirect into an article and build on top of what exists. If you want credit as the article creator, start an new article in Draft space or User space and then we can move it over to this title. I don't think an admin will delete an existing redirect for an article that doesn't exist yet, just to clear space for what potentially could be there. We have to see that what you written is an improvement over the page as it currently exists. Liz 22:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, likewise, thanks for the explanation. Although there is no particular reason to keep the redirect, I can alas demonstrate in due course the article i'd propose taking its place, if that is a credible course of action. Thanks. Bungle 22:23, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the article the other day. I am a little perplexed why you chose not to remove the redirect from draft title too, or when I tagged it, as it's entirely useless. Would have been just as easy to do so than not? Not that it matters significantly, just baffled me a bit! Bungle 14:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

December 2021 GOCE Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2021.                  Current and upcoming events Election time: Our end-of-year election of coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before "Auld Lang Syne". Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. December Blitz: We have scheduled a week-long copy-editing blitz for 12 to 18 December. Sign up now! Drive and Blitz reports September Drive: Almost 400,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 27 people who signed up, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. October Blitz: From 17 to 23 October, we copy edited articles tagged in May and June 2021 and requests. 8 participating editors completed 26 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. November Drive: Over 350,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 21 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. Other news It is with great sadness that we report the death on 19 November of Twofingered Typist, who was active with the Guild almost daily for the past several years. His contributions long exceeded the thresholds for the Guild's highest awards, and he had a hand in innumerable good and featured article promotions as a willing collaborator. Twofingered Typist also served as a Guild coordinator from July 2019 to June 2021. He is sorely missed by the Misplaced Pages community. Progress report: As of 30 November, GOCE copyeditors have completed 619 requests in 2021 and there were 51 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog stood at 946 articles tagged for copy-editing (see monthly progress graph above). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Wheaton Lyons

It seems as though a move you made from Wheaton (Massachusetts) Lyons to Wheaton Lyons ended up breaking the 2006 NCAA Division III Baseball Tournament article. I fixed it, but I thought you should be aware. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 23:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Brainulator9,

That was a page move requested by Pichpich. Thank you for fixing the broken link. I correct a lot of broken links every day and appreciate it when another editor fixes a broken link left from an edit I made. Much appreciated! Liz 23:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! I only caught that one because it ended up under Category:College sports link error. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 23:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Something new

Looks like 331dot made an off by one error while hiding an email address, shouldn't be hard to find, hope this is discrete enough. 176.247.149.96 (talk) 02:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 176.247.149.96,

I have no idea what you are talking about, you're going to have to be more specific, like give me a page link and a statement of the problem. Liz 02:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I hear the walls have ears. I also hear that someone may have already remedied the situation. -- zzuuzz 02:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree, nothing to see here. 176.247.149.96 (talk) 02:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Redirects

You should not be deleting the redirects currently listed at User:AnomieBOT III/Broken redirects. Just rollback the bot to restore the original targets. ✗plicit 14:12, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, sorry about that, I jumped the gun. I need to have my morning coffee. Liz 14:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Gangapurna CSD

Re:"Removing CSD tag, I'm not going to move that messy draft into main space. Please clean up the draft, remove reviewer comments and other AFC tags." The easiest way to do this is if the redirect is deleted and then I accept the draft via the AfC helper script, without you moving the draft into mainspace yourself. I'm a new reviewer - is there a reason this is a bad idea here? If yes, I'm happy to do the cleanup manually. Rusalkii (talk) 16:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rusalkii,

The best place to ask about this is at AFC, if you talk to other draft reviewers (and I'm not a new page reviewer). I'm coming from the perspective of an admin who patrols speedy deletion categories and moves & deletes drafts that have been tagged. So, I don't know the exact procedure to get a draft into shape to move it, I just know that they are "cleaned up" before they are moved. Typically, they have a header at the top that states they have been AFC approved and are in the process of being moved. But they don't have all of the previous reviewer comments and remarks on them, all of the notation that AFC reviewers have left over the past months of previous reviews.

I'd just ask at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Articles for creation, I've found page reviewers to be very helpful when I've brought questions there, folks like Fiddle Faddle, Novem Linguae or KylieTastic are very experienced. Sorry I couldn't be more specific. Liz 16:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Rusalkii (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Just in case you missed the ping, the answer to your (Liz') question(s) are at this WT:AFC thread. Primefac (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

- Hello Liz. I was reviewing the article Draft:Gangapurna and I think the editor has done sufficient work to make the article suitable for main space. AFC for Draft:Gangapurna with AFCH tool is showing error because there already exists an article in main space (which contains a redirect). I suppose it needs admin privilege to move the draft to main space in such conditions. I also noted in the history of Gangapurna that you had reverted the request to delete it. Can you please resolve the issue? Best regards! nirmal (talk) 14:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Potential ip sock

Greetings. 2021–22 Swadhinata KS season was created by III69, who was blocked on 8/17/21. There have been substantial edits to the article since, by all by IPs who only started editing the article subsequent to III69's block. In addition, the several I checked all seem to have begun their editing (except for a single edit 2 years ago) with editing this article. Since there are numerous IPs on this article, should I open up an SPI? Or should I simply mark it for G5, since the puppetmaster was blocked back in 2020? Thanks. Onel5969 15:08, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, onel5969,

I apologize for the delay in responding. I get busy with editing tasks. To be honest, I don't have a good sense for detecting sockpuppetry. You might approach one of our friendly checkusers to do a check on it. I see that III69 was blocked as a sockpuppet but I don't see them reported at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/SR Alamgir Khan which I usually want to see to tag a page for G5 deletion. There are a lot of editors to that page and I also usually like to see that the sockpuppet was the primary editor. They created the page but a lot of other editors contributed to it. But I might have a higher bar for G5s than other admins.

You could open an SPI but that is usually not effective with IP accounts because checkusers won't confirm them as sockpuppets. To be honest, I would go to User:zzuuzz, the admin who blocked III69, and ask them if they see similarities.

I'm sorry I couldn't offer you a more decisive answer. This case is more murky than the ones I usually deal with. Liz 03:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I never expect quick replies. We all get busy. And thank you for the detailed response. I agree, this one is murky, that's why I'm seeking guidance. I'll take your advice and ask zzuuzz. Thanks again. Onel5969 10:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Qwerfjkl#Empty categories

Can you reply to this? Thanks. ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Qwerfjkl,

I think I did. Was there more that I missed? Liz 03:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No, I posted this comment about 7 hours before you replied. Sorry for any confusion! Also, I fixed the script issue by wrapping it in nowiki tags. ― Qwerfjkltalk 07:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

A birthday present barnstar for you!

	The birthday present barnstar
	A birthday present barnstar sent from me to you. You are also an amazing contributor and administrator on Misplaced Pages, and congrats! Severestorm28 (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Severestorm28,

Thanks, I appreciate it. But it's not my birthday. Is it written somewhere on Misplaced Pages that it is today? Liz 03:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, yes, it was my birthday. Just giving you a present. Severestorm28 (talk) 12:06, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Liz

Hey what’s happening?

Just editing. What's happening with you? Liz 05:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Not much just trying to keep busy at work! Frankiethesexaddict (talk) 05:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Test pages

Please do not delete pages in userspace as "G6: Test page". The proper criterion for test pages is G2, which explicitly does not apply to userspace, and attempts to circumvent that prohibition should not succeed. Thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I was not trying to circumvent any criterion, this was my explanation for an uncontroversial deletion. I will find another way/words to explain the deletion. Liz 19:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting pages in the user namespace because they are test page is clearly a circumvention of the rule that prevents G2 deletions of pages in user namespace, whether that is your intention or not. Looking at it more closely, these seem to be G13s done a few days early; why not just wait the few days and call it a G13? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Proper "Categorization" of drafts

Liz, thanks for your edits and explanation regarding drafts and categories on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Rusyns/Drafts/Rusyns. I wasn't aware of the guidelines surrounding this topic and have done some homework on Misplaced Pages:Categorization.

However, while I agree my inclusion of the majority of those categories was incorrect, I kindly disagree with your application of these guidelines in regards to the removal of Category:Rusyns drafts from the article.

Unless I am misunderstanding, the guidelines here only stipulate that drafts "do not belong in content categories" (not administrative categories); I have to argue that Category:Rusyns drafts is not a content category, but an administrative category and thus does not break any guidelines.

Quoting that section: "Administrative categories include ... WikiProject and assessment categories, and categories of pages in non-article namespaces." As the purpose of Category:Rusyns drafts was to organize draft articles for my WikiProject, I believe inclusion of that category in the article and continued usage of the category in general is allowable.

If Category:Rusyns drafts is not properly formatted to meet the specs of an "administrative category", please let me know where I can get the info needed to set it up properly (and avoid issues in the future).

Thanks again.
- KaerbaqianRen 00:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KaerbaqianRen,

I'll be brief:I've never seen a category used as you are using Category:Rusyns drafts. If you disagree with me, which you are free to do, then I will nominate it for discussion at WP:CFD and see what the category experts say. The regular participants at CFD have almost an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of categories on Misplaced Pages and they might see a precedent that I don't see.

I've also never seen article drafts kept in Misplaced Pages space and I'm surprised that your draft hasn't been moved to Draft space or User space yet. It looks like you've set up a WikiProject just for your own personal use and it doesn't resemble other WikiProjects on Misplaced Pages. Liz 00:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. If we could pass it on to WP:CFD, I'd appreciate it as I feel it's allowable per quotes in my last post.

Regarding the draft being in the Misplaced Pages namespace: I felt this was the best location as Rusyns is pre-existing and doesn't meet the definition of a draft laid out in Misplaced Pages:Drafts. As far as I could tell that page only discusses drafts of new articles. Information on drafting major changes to existing articles was difficult to find when I looked... I also felt that including the draft within the project provides a central location for collaborators versus a userpage.

Regarding the WikiProject: I did not create it, but I have been in the process of making it functional for future users to take advantage of. The subject-matter is admittedly niche, but I have a few people who are interested in contributing to the upkeep of the relevant articles. I don't intend on keeping it for personal use, but at the same time, finding Wikipedians who have recently made useful contributions to relevant pages has been a challenge.
- KaerbaqianRen 01:02, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Liz, just following up on the nomination of Category:Rusyns drafts in WP:CFD. Alternatively, I can nominate it myself--I'm just not sure if it would be "for deletion" (since I'm arguing against deletion) or "for other options" per their procedure. Thanks.
- KaerbaqianRen 20:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: Contested PROD - Patrick McGuire

Thank you, Liz for starting this discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_deletion#Contested_PROD?

I wonder if you have had a chance to look at the proposed amendments for Patrick's page in my Sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/User:ShimsCabot/sandbox and the supporting statement for my objection to the PROD. Patrick's work as a campaigner and solicitor advocate is notable for the reasons mentioned there; in particular his campaigning to change Scottish laws so as to benefit individuals who have suffered mass wrongs. His current work in the field of historical child abuse claims is particularly noteworthy now the case against Celtic FC has become a group (class) action - this is a first in Scottish law and the case will undoubtedly set precedents as to how the new Group Action laws, under the Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018, are used in the future - it will be noteworthy whether the case is won or lost. Many of Patrick's previous cases have set similar precedents, but I took a list of these cases out of his page as there had been a negative comment about them and the source refs. I would welcome any advice on neutrality, so that I can make the entry as encyclopaedic as possible. ShimsCabot (talk) 07:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much

I have read those WP:CSD guides as said. I really want to do more with time, i used to edit in bits back but i just got an account. Quackgates (talk) 08:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail

Never mind, it's been handled ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: Tagging pages for speedy deletion

I still don't quite understand your policies which are quite different from Spanish Misplaced Pages. I thought given the blockings on eswiki, that tag was appropriate. I have also had problems when submitting SPIs, could you file one properly about these users for me, please? They have been a headache in various projects lately. Thanks and sorry.--MexTDT (talk) 05:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: AfC Untact

Hi, Liz - I saw you drafted and then abandoned at article on the social phenomenon "untact" -- contactless human interaction. TBH it was difficult to know if you'd deleted the article or let it lapse. I looked for a talk page and tried to retrieve the draft copy but was unable to. My point is I wonder if it isn't time to revisit the idea of creating a page for Untact. It's much more in the news -- the Dec 12, 2021 piece from the Guardian is just the latest. If you agree, what's the process? Just create a new article? There are a fair number of media references, so i think it would pass notability. Thanks! --Sam Perkins (talk) 06:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sam Perkins,

Can you give me a link to the page you are talking about? I look at hundreds of pages a day. If I delete a page, I need to see the reasons why. Also, I'm logging off soon. Thank you. Liz 06:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your speedy reply. I must have misread this: https://en.wikipedia.org/Untact. I thought I saw you referenced as the creator/editor of this article. I guess it was Geschichte. My apologies if I misunderstood. That said, since you're Wiki veteran: although I've been editing on Misplaced Pages for awhile, I've never recreated an article that was deleted. Can I just go ahead and give it a try? Is there an accepted process? I can't find whatever the original entry was. Many thanks in advance! Sam Perkins (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Hindustan Sea Turtle Alliance (HSTA)

Did you forget something? Maybe Talk:Hindustan Sea Turtle Alliance (HSTA)? --awkwafaba (📥) 03:26, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, awkwafaba,

When admins use Twinkle to delete a page, it will delete the page, the talk page and any redirects to the page but it won't delete any redirect talk pages. I've asked about this at Twinkle's talk page. So this was leftover from a Twinkle page PROD deletion of Hindustan Sea Turtle Alliance. But pages like this do show up on an Orphaned talk page list so I did get to it last night. Thanks for the reminder though. Liz 18:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

HiMedia Company

What was the problem ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmou88 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nmou88,

When an article is moved from the main space of the project to Draft space, the redirect is deleted as a cross-namespace redirect, CSD R2. We don't have redirects from the main space to User space or Draft space because Misplaced Pages does not want readers directed to these other name spaces. So, I deleted HiMedia as a cross-namespace redirect.

You can continue to work on the article in Draft space and I recommend submitting it to Articles for Creation for review when you think it is ready. AFC's goal is to help you improve the draft so that it won't be deleted if it is moved back to main space. Moving the article to Draft space is usually an alternative to deleting the page, so it was a move to give you more time to improve the article rather than deleting it outright.

If you have questions about article creation, you can bring them to AFC Help Desk or the Teahouse. Liz 18:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Dimitar Stojmenovski has a new comment

Hello, Rusalkii,

Thanks for looking at this so quickly. I submitted it to AFC because an editor said it had been approved by an AFC reviewer as they were moving it into main space when it clearly hadn't, at least it didn't look like it by examining the edit history of the page. I've seen a problem lately of other page creators "approving" their own pages by posting copied AFC approval notices to their own user talk page. I'll go check out your comment. Liz 01:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

File:Chanchhaya.jpg

Hi, you deleted File:Chanchhaya.jpg by PROD despite the fact that I declined its deletion eight minutes prior. Files that survive FFD are no longer eligible for deletion via PROD. WP:PRODNOM makes this clear. Fastily, I'm a little surprised you nominated it since you were the closing administrator of the debate. Surely you should have argued for its deletion at the discussion? ✗plicit 13:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Explicit,

I'd appreciate it if I could explain my mistake. I often have Misplaced Pages pages open in tabs if I know I'll be looking at them soon. I opened File:Chanchhaya.jpg in a tab right before its PROD expiration time. It was tagged for proposed deletion for one week. Eight minutes before the PROD was due to expire, you edited the page and removed the PROD tag. I should have refreshed the page before carrying out the deletion but I didn't do so as I didn't expect a last minute action on this image. In my experience, typically editors who patrol Proposed Deletion categories and remove PROD tags do so soon after they are tagged, not right before they are due to be deleted. But this was my fault. I let my expectations of what usually happens on my daily editing routine keep me from what I know are best practices which is to refresh the page and look for any last minute changes.

I also should have noticed the prior FFD discussion but, honestly, in all of the times I have dealt with files that are PROD'd, I've never come across one that had been part of a FFD discussion or that had been PROD'd before. Almost all of the PROD'd images I've seen have been unused personal photos. But now I know that it happens. I don't know anything about the outcome of this FFD case as I don't work much with files so I can't explain Fastily's decision to PROD a file that had been part of a FFD discussion.

I have restored this image and I appreciate you telling me about my error. Thank you for that. Liz 22:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hm, I'm not aware of any policy that explicitly prohibits me from nominating a page for deletion, even if I just closed a discussion about it. Yes, this would be disruptive editing if I nominated it for the exact same reason as the previously closed discussion, but I nominated this file on the basis that it was unused, whereas the FfD discussion was about copyright status. I vaguely recall thinking PROD could be used if the previous FfDs were nominated with different reasons, but this would appear to be a mistake on my end. Apologies for the trouble folks. -FASTILY 02:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Nat Bowen

Before I take Nat Bowen to AfD can you tell me if the article is a recreation of an earlier versions that were deleted? If memory serves me right, it is very much the same, but it would be nice to know if Herashjehkan took what Ckennedy18 had or rewrote it from sources. I think there is some CoI or socking going on. Vexations (talk) 12:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vexations,

Well, it looks like the article has been deleted twice for being promotional, I guess I have a higher tolerance for this than other editors/admins. To be honest, unless there is a lot of peacock language and flowery praise, I often don't see a big difference between articles on artists that are labeled "promotional" and those that are currently existing on the project. It seems like we have plenty of artists' bios here that look just like Nat Bowen's.

The other two versions were very similar to the current version but the very first version had even more sources. But I can say that they were almost identical. I'd like to see this go through AFD to see whether these sources are strong enough. I don't know if there is a connection between page creators, Herashjehkan and HansSachs18, it seems like there is some paid editing going on involving the visual arts/artists but they've learned not to make the articles over-the-top, gushing nonsense. Liz 19:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Woah

Well that draft sure took an unexpected turn...-- Jezebel's Ponyo 19:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ponyo,

I know, I was reading it and thinking, "This isn't so bad" and then, BOOM!, a knife to the back. Betcha it was an employee who was told to write a Misplaced Pages article about a boss or co-worker. I'm often surprised that our page patrol catches these drafts so quickly after they are created, I thought they mainly checked out new articles to main space but I find them tagging brand new draft pages. I have a feeling most draft page creators don't think anyone will stumble upon their little creations. Liz 19:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I think someone asked the wrong intern to create an article for them (ha).-- Jezebel's Ponyo 19:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your guidance in one of the deleted BLPs. Rdfcvn (talk) 08:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Rdfcvn! Appreciation is always, well, appreciated. Have a great holiday! Liz 23:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Marjan Shirmohamadi

Liz Hello. We talked about this article before. The author of the article is a famous figure in Iran. Please return the article to the name field.خاچی (talk) 08:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, خاچی,

I didn't delete this article, it's been moved to Draft:Marjan Shirmohamadi. Work on the draft and submit it to Articles for Creation for review. Liz 03:32, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

G13

Hello Liz, thanks for your diligence. I agree that G13 does not apply here, but which criterion can be used to get this 10-year-old userpage deleted? 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Liz, and congratulations on passing the 250K edits milestone! You've probably missed my question, so I'm making another attempt. Hope you don't mind. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, 4nn1l2. I made a huge mistake on Sunday that took me hours of time to fix, I went Christmas shopping yesterday and today, the power went out while the utility company was making repairs! I'm just getting around to responding to people.

There are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of old user pages, just sitting there, that are not eligible for CSD G13. I haven't done a search for it at the Village Pump but I'm sure there have been many attempts to propose cleaning house and getting rid of them all. But, obviously, there was pushback from folks who think that "Hey, they aren't harming anyone, no readers see them, just let them be." So, the only way I know of to delete them are the obvious no-nos, if you find content that violates copyright or BLP guidelines, attack pages, vandalism, advertising, hoaxes, that kind of thing. There is one editor, MrLinkinPark333, who is doing the thankless work of looking at old user pages and tagging ones that are clear violations of Misplaced Pages standards. If you are interested in taking this on, you might approach him and he could give you pointers on where to start.

But, believe me, you are not alone among editors who think this stuff serves no purpose and should be deleted. If you are really motivated, you could make a proposal at the Village Pump and test the waters. Good luck! Liz 23:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Recent talk page message

Hello. Sometimes extreme confusion does set in during recent changes patrol, but I'm confused what the purpose of this message signed by you being placed on my talk page is for, since it seems to be addressed to User:Jalapestra. Sincerely, Randompointofview (talk) 03:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC).

Hello, Randompointofview,

It was a comment addressed to the other editor. He was complaining about you leaving a Welcome message on his user talk page and also a note about some mistake he had made. I ran into him because he wanted his user talk page deleted because of your remark which is something we don't do here. So, I was just telling him that he should get used to people telling each other about mistakes they've made. I've been editing here regularly for over 8 years, I'm an administrator and if you look at my user talk page, you'll see it is full of messages from other editors and admins pointing out a mistake I've made. It's the nature of a collaborative project, it helps us become better editors. I hope that explains things. Liz 03:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

What's the best part of being Administrator? --Jalapestra (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

That's hard to say. I like that when I communicate with another editor, I'm more likely to get a response than I did before I became an admin. Although there are still some editors, mostly new editors, who ignore me, I think it's because I'm female. At least, they can be very dismissive and even rude to me until they discover I'm an admin and then they become more civil.

It's also useful to be able to view deleted edits, I wish this was an ability that more editors could have, so they could view their deleted contributions. Since there are times when editors do not receive notices that pages they have created are deleted, it would be helpful if they could see their deleted contributions so they would know what has been deleted and they would be able to see why. Contributions are a record of an editor's work and not to be able to see what has been deleted is unfortunate, I think. But this wouldn't be so necessary if they always received notifications which is something I repeatedly ask people to do. It's my guess that many editors do not want any confrontation and so they don't always post notices that a page might be deleted. But that's just a guess. Liz 00:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

RE: Comment

I'm just editing adding more references in La Paz, Baja California Sur and this "editor" complains about "I don't use right edit summary", how I are wrong with your ideas of "collaborative editing project and everyone is subject to scrutiny"?, I "can't handle criticism"?, can explain you try say? with it and i'm not understand this text of you: "If you don't like messages from other editors noting mistakes you've made, you will not be an editor here very long.", can explain you idea?. --Jalapestra (talk) 03:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

And please, don't touch my talk page. --Jalapestra (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jalapestra,

With that lousy attitude, I can see you blocked on your first day as an editor. Liz 03:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, another weird editor... --Jalapestra (talk) 03:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, Jalapestra, I've been here over 8 years and have almost 250,000 edits so I have survived here longer than you. I might know a thing or two. Liz 03:43, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, what's your favourite Misplaced Pages topic? --Jalapestra (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, actually, these days most of my time is spent dealing with inappropriate, junk, empty pages or abandoned drafts. So, I see the worst stuff people throw on pages. But I know that there are editors like you, here, improving articles and making things better. Liz 04:32, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I apoligize

Hi Liz, I would've written this on my own page but I still do not know how to mention people or reply to talk messages. I jst wanted to apoligize for all my hoax articles, I made most of those a while ago before I realized how I should use this site. I assure you no more of those will be made. --Rfkatz2005 (talk) 04:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rfkatz2005,

Well, go forth, and hoax no more! Welcome to a community of contributors. I encourage you to find a WikiProject where you can work on articles with editors with similar interests. It makes editing more fun. Liz 04:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Talkback: you've got messages!

Qwerfjkltalk

You've got mail

 ― Qwerfjkltalk 08:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Action of 13 December 1814

I'm challenging this as a prod and have restored it. I was actually in the process of deprodding it at the moment you deleted. Sorry about that. SpinningSpark 16:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spinningspark,

That's amazing that we were editing that page at the same time. Well, now you know it can't be PROD'd again! Have a good week. Liz 16:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you perform history splits?

Hello, Liz. I know you're active in the deletion/restoring of articles. Do you also work with splitting out histories a la WP:HISTSPLIT when an previously redirected article is usurped/repurposed? Basically, The Falconer (film) was once at a location where it hosted a completely different article. If the history prior to it's redirection here Special:Diff/639541548 on 02:23, 25 December 2014, could be split out and moved to The Falconer (Saturday Night Live), then I think the right history preservation would remain in place for the original topic. If this is not an area you work with, let me know, and I can seek another admin's help. Thanks, either way! -2pou (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 2pou,

Unfortunately, I have no experience with splitting articles. There are 2 or 3 admins who patrol Misplaced Pages:Requests for history merge and I think they will have the required skills for a task like this. I'd approach one of them. Sorry not to be any help! Liz 23:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, 2pou,

I just noticed in the Deletion Log that admin Scott did a very complicated partial deletion and restoration of an article, you might consider asking him for assistance. Liz 23:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 Thanks for the pointer, Liz. Worth a shot! -2pou (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Holiday greetings (2021)

Liz,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Misplaced Pages. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 19:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That's very kind of you, Interstellarity! I hope you have a wonderful holiday, whichever you celebrate, and enjoy time away from Misplaced Pages! Liz 23:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Liz! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Misplaced Pages. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 22:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, onel5969! I hope you have a wonderful solstice and New Year! Liz 23:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

User: User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ

Hi Liz User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ appears to be using Misplaced Pages exclusively to host made up alphabets. I’ve asked for three to be speedily deleted and one has gone to draft. I think WP:NOTHERE applies. Mccapra (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ

Hi Liz User:ⵓⵡⵓ ⵓⵡⵓ appears to be using Misplaced Pages exclusively to host made up alphabets. I’ve asked for three to be speedily deleted and one has gone to draft. I think WP:NOTHERE applies. Mccapra (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mccapra,

You know, admin Shirt58 has deleted some of their pages and tried to start a discussion with the editor on their user talk page so I would defer to them to make any decision about taking action on this editor. Liz 20:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Salvatore Ambrosini

Hi Liz, could you help me out? I'm trying to improve the draft on Salvatore Ambrosini, but when I move it to the main space the other users put it back in the draft space. Where am I wrong? Could you give me some advice to improve the draft or if you can improve it yourself? :)

Nonna Angelina (talk) 08:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)User:Nonna Angelina

Hello, Nonna Angelina,

Typically, editors submit drafts to Articles for Creation where one of our reviewers can look over your draft and make recommendations on how to improve it. Once a draft is approved by an AFC reviewer, it has much better odds of surviving a move to the main space of the project. AFC also has a Help Desk where you can ask questions about article creation. There is also the Teahouse for general questions about editing on Misplaced Pages and policies. I recommend both sites as places where experienced editors can offer you advice and support. Liz 19:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:Talk pages with broken ClueBot III templates

Hey, I went to check on Category:Talk pages with broken ClueBot III templates recently which is a maintenance back-log category applied by ClueBot III when it comes across a broken or invalid User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis template, and noticed that had deleted it. I didn't want to wheel war, so would you mind undeleting it (or, alternatively letting me know you're fine with it being undeleted, and I'll do so). Thanks! -- Cobi 19:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cobi,

Categories that have been deleted via CSD C1, simply for being empty, can be recreated whenever there is a need for them. The only reason they are deleted is because they are empty, not for any other reason. If you assign a page to this category, I'll recreate it. But I don't want to recreate it before a page has been placed in it or it will just show up on our Empty Category list and be tagged for deletion again. I hope this answers your question. Liz 19:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Hello, Liz! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Misplaced Pages! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
CAPTAIN RAJU 19:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, CAPTAIN RAJU! I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, on- and off-Misplaced Pages! Liz 20:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Suganesh Mahendran

Hello, you recently speedily deleted Suganesh Mahendran but I objected to this deletion on the talk page so I just wondered if you missed my objection comment? Thanks NemesisAT (talk) 22:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, NemesisAT,

Yes, I did miss your comment on the article talk page. I have restored the article and talk page. Liz 22:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries, easily done I imagine! Thank you NemesisAT (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Cheers!

Hello Liz: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Qwerfjkltalk 22:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks so much, Qwerfjkl! I'm going to get back to you, between holiday busyness and power outages here, it's been a crazy week. Liz 22:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Removal of CSD tag

I see you removed the CSD tag at Draft:UJober. To be clear on procedure, since there is an SPI case on this matter, should I revisit CSD options for the page if the user is blocked as a sock (if someone else doesn't get to it first)? I'm not upset or questioning your decision, I just want to be clear on how to proceed. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TornadoLGS,

Typically, page creations are only tagged after an editor is confirmed to be a sockpuppet. The exceptions I have seen are when an administrator is very familiar with a particular sockpuppet and so deletes their pages before a checkuser has confirmed them as a sockpuppet. I'll admit that I'm pretty strict about this because I've seen SPI cases where there wasn't enough data to confirm a sockpuppet so I'd rather not delete pages and have to restore them later if this occurs.

I will say that your conduct isn't unusual, there are other editors who will tag dozens of pages as soon as they have opened an SPI case against an editor and then we have to untag them all until they've been confirmed. Often the reporting editor is absolutely convinced but I'd prefer to wait until a checkuser has confirmed this. Liz 22:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, The folks at SPI seem to think it's two different people, though I'm thinking the draft may still meet WP:G11. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it might well warrant deletion on another criteria. Liz 02:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

CSD G5

Hi Liz, regarding this summary, does the sock have to be blocked for this to apply? My understanding from WP:G5 is that it is the user that has to be blocked (in violation of their ban or block), not the newest sock iteration (in this case proxy IP). Best, CMD (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CMD,

See the discussion above this one when I reply to the same question. Thanks. Liz 21:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

A checkuser block will never apply to an IP, and a CU will never confirm an IP on technical grounds, so I'm not seeing how the above conversation would apply here (even if CU was less fallible). CMD (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, on what basis should I take your judgement that an IP account is a sockpuppet? I need confirmation. If checkusers won't confirm because of policy, then I won't delete a page based on an editor's suspicions. Liz 22:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

On the usual basis for non-CU behavioural checks perhaps, such as your note of admin action in the above conversation. Technical confirmation is a very high bar given IPs cannot be technically confirmed and even named accounts can avoid it. If you need more information on the case I'm always happy to have a note dropped on my talkpage. (In this particular case its forking among other socks, and using a redirect to loophole the autoconfirmed requirements.) While I understand being unwilling to delete based on suspicions, not deleting is not the same as removing the tag, and I followed up here due to that action and the linked edit summary. CMD (talk) 22:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas Liz
	Hi Liz, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages, ★Trekker (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Share these holiday wishes by adding {{subst:User:Davey2010/MerryChristmas}} to your friends' talk pages.

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 22

Hello everyone, and welcome to the 22nd issue of the Misplaced Pages Scripts++ Newsletter. This issue will be covering new and updated user scripts from the past seven months (June through December 2021).

Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!

Featured script LuckyRename, by Alexis Jazz, is this month's featured script. LuckyRename makes requesting file moves easier, and automates the many steps in file moving (including automatic replacement of existing usage). Give it a shot! Updated scripts SD0001: hide-reverted-edits has been updated to take into account changes in reversion tools like Twinkle and RedWarn. Writ Keeper: massRollback.js has added a rollback-some option (missed in last issue). ClaudineChionh: SkinSwitcher (a fork and update of Eizen's script) provides an options menu/toolbox/toolbar allowing users to view a given page in MediaWiki's default skins.

Pending requests Mass-patrolling at Special:NewPages Taking up the mantle of an almost completed peer review javascript bot Restore the Misplaced Pages Citation Tool for Google Books Autohighlighting specific characters (Greek) ...and many more, all available at Misplaced Pages:User scripts/Requests Miscellaneous Misplaced Pages:User scripts/Ranking is a sortable table of Misplaced Pages's thousand-or-so most commonly used scripts; it includes their author, last modification date, installation count, and sometimes a short description. Toolhub is a community managed catalog of software tools used in the Wikimedia movement. Technical volunteers can use Toolhub to document the tools that they create or maintain. All Wikimedians can use Toolhub to search for tools to help with their workflows and to create lists of useful tools to share with others.

New scripts

• Ahecht:
  • draft-sorter sorts AfC drafts by adding WikiProject banners to their talk pages. It supersedes User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter, adding a few features and fixing some bugs.
  • massmove, a modified User:Plastikspork/massmove.js that adds a link to the left column, allows adding and removing both prefixes and suffixes.
  • watchlistcleaner removes missing pages (redlinks), redirects, pages you haven't edited recently, and/or pages you've never edited from your watchlist.
• Awesome Aasim:
  • Infiniscroll adds infinite scrolling to user contributions, page histories, and log pages.
  • Quick create allows for the fast creation of red-linked pages with two clicks.
• Caburum:
  • UTCclock adds a clock displaying the current UTC time.
• Chlod:
  • CopiedTemplateEditor, mainly for CCI case handlers, allows graphically editing a talk page's {{copied}} templates.
• DaxServer:
  • BooksToSfn adds a portlet link in Visual Editor's source mode editing, in main namespace articles or in the user's Sandbox. When clicked, it converts one {{cite book}} inside a <ref>...</ref> tag block into an {{Sfn}}.
• FlightTime:
  • OneClickArchiver is a custom version of User:Technical_13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver which doesn't prepend {{Clear}} to the top of each section on the archive page.
• Jon Harald Søby:
  • diffedit enables editing directly from viewing a diff "when, for instance, you notice a tiny mistake deep into an article, and don't want to edit the entire article and re-find that one line to fix that tiny mistake".
  • warnOnLargeFile warns you if you're about to open a very large file (width/height >10,000px or file size >100 MB) from a file page.
• JPxG:
  • PressPass adds a collection of tools for Newspapers.com including configurable automatic citation generation in five different formats.
  • CurrentSwitcher gives you links on the contribs page to hide duplicate entries, current revisions, rollbacks, huggles, twinkles, and redwarns.
  • TrackSum lets you automatically sum the lengths of tracks in templates like {{track listing}} and get total runtimes.
• Nardog:
  • CopySectLink adds a button to copy the unencoded page title or section path next to each heading.
  • IPAInput allows you to type in IPA symbols by directly looking at an IPA key like Help:IPA/English and clicking on the symbols.
  • TemplatePreviewGuard warns when you try to use "Preview page with this template" with a page that doesn't transclude the template.
• NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh:
  • ContribsTabVector adds "Contributions" and "Statistics" tabs to user and user talk pages on the Vector skin.
  • CopyvioChecker adds a "CopyvioCheck" tab to all pages, except Special (Vector skin only).
  • LiveDiffLink is a version of Equazcion's LiveDiffLink which shows a wikilink instead of a URL.
  • QuickDiff (by OneTwoThreeFall at Fandom) lets you quickly view any diff link on a wiki, whether on Recent Changes, contribs pages, history pages, the diff view itself, or elsewhere. For more information, view its page on Fandom.
• Novem Linguae:
  • DetectSNG scans a list of 1,600 SNG keywords and displays them at the top of the article.
  • NotSoFast highlights recently created articles in the new pages feed, to discourage patrolling them too quickly.
  • UserRightsDiff concisely displays what perm was added or removed when viewing Special:UserRights.
  • VoteCounter displays a rough count of keeps and deletes at XFDs, RFCs, etc.
  • WatchlistAFD automatically watchlists the AFDs of any pages you AFC accept or NPP patrol, to help you calibrate your reviewing.
• P.T.Đ:
  • TwinkleMobile enables Twinkle on mobile view (Minerva skin).
• Qwerfjkl:
  • editRedirect adds a → link after redirects to edit them.
  • RegExTypoFix, a script for fixing typos, is a wrapper for User:Joeytje50/RETF.js.
  • talkback creates links after user talk page links like this: |C|TB (with the first linking to the user's contributions, and the latter giving the option of sending a {{talkback}} notice). It also adds a link next to section headers.
• Rublov:
  • diff-link shows "copy" links on history and contributions pages that copy an internal link to the diff (e.g., Special:Diff/1026402230) to your clipboard when clicked.
• Rummskartoffel:
  • auto-watchlist-expiry automatically watchlists every page you edit for a user-definable duration (you can still pick a different time using the dropdown, though).
  • generate pings generates the wikitext needed to ping all members of a category, up to 50 editors (the limit defined by MediaWiki).
  • share ExpandTemplates url allows for easy sharing of your inputs to Special:ExpandTemplates. It adds a button that, when clicked, copies a shareable URL to your exact invocation of the page, like this. Other editors do not need to have this script installed in order to access the URL generated.
  • show tag names shows the real names of tags next to their display names in places such as page revision histories or the watchlist.
• Tol:
  • VisualEditor Citation Needed adds a button (under "Insert") in VisualEditor to add a {{citation needed}} tag.
• Venkat TL:
  • ColourContrib color-codes the user contributions page so that pages you've edited last are sharply distinguished from pages where another editor was the last to edit the page.
• Vukky:
  • StatusChanger is a fork of Enterprisey's Status Changer, which adds a UI to the script. (using Morebits, so you'll need to have Twinkle enabled to use it).

All in all, some very neat scripts were written in these last few months. Hoping to see many more in the next issue -- drop us a line on the talk page if you've been writing (or seeing) anything cool and good. Filling in for DannyS712, this has been jp×g. Take care, and merry Christmas! jp×g 07:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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A Message

This has been chewing at me all evening, and I have realized it is not going to go away until I share my thoughts more completely. I'll start by saying I don't expect a reply to this as I know you and other admins are extremely busy, and it is fine if you choose not to.

Being scolded for my two speedy delete mistakes caught me way off guard with how much it upset me. So much so that I semi-reactively chose to disengage entirely from participating in wikiprocedures (AfD, PROD, etc.). Given more time to reflect, it is best if I stick with this decision indefinitely. Granted, this is not the only reason. I've run into several prickly situations (one a day prior too) over time that have made my view of wiki under the hood to be a cold and surprisingly aggressive and unforgiving place full of low-accommodating personalities. The latter I have very low tolerance for. This is combined with the fact that Wikiediting is not really helping me grow as a person at all; therefore I should spend time doing other hobbies. I'm also dyslexic (which is more than just reading difficulties) and wikipedia plays to my weaknesses, not my strengths.

Nevertheless, this was a very large straw that broken the camels back for me. In particular, because when I saw your replies on my talk page (which I have since wiped- please see my edit history) you were mid-writing them, and at one point contained a statement saying you were close to telling me to stop adding and removing tags from pages. This was subsequently removed as I assume you decided to recant that statement. But, from that and the messages as a whole I was frankly shocked and dismayed by this because I did not realize - at all - that I had done anything wrong until I was told. I now understand fully where I made my mistakes - and why - and this is because wiki plays to my weaknesses, and I again appologize for that. In particular, I thought the editor I was at odds with was new, as I saw the last message on their talk page was in June of this year, but completely failed to notice the talk page archive above that. Had I noticed, I would have (as you said) known they were experienced and been more cautious. It is obvious to me you were doing your best to curtail your frustration and apply an even and balanced hand to the situation. There's no way I could ever put up with constantly dealing with users out of their depth day after day like you do. I'd rather chew saw dust.

Basically, this has all sent a message to me that you really just cannot make mistakes here without being heavily lectured or receiving some sort of restriction/punishment, and I find this to simply be too corrosive for me to withstand. It very often reads as patronizing and infantializing despite the good intentions, and even when the other party is assuming good intentions towards the receiver. It's unfortunate I saw the threat as I don't think that was intended to be seen, but that is too late at this point.

All this to say is, I am not mad, you haven't done anything wrong, but this has tipped me over the edge to leaving and I am still (surprisingly) hurt. In order for me to resolve that I must speak my mind. I love Misplaced Pages and I have since I was in high school over 15 years ago, this website is vitally important for the world and tireless admins like you are offering far more protection to the world than nearly everyone realizes. But, I just can't participate.

Thank you for reading. --Tautomers_{(T C)} 08:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

	Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!!
	Hi Liz, Wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thank you for your support and great work on Misplaced Pages. Happy Holidays. DMySon (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Djibouti–Georgia (country) relations

A tag has been placed on Category:Djibouti–Georgia (country) relations indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Qwerfjkltalk 17:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Huggums537 (talk) 19:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Coffee/Holidays}} to your fellow editors' talk pages.

About these articles

I was just reminded of these articles I had asked about in our discussion a while ago back in early November. About the ones where I made significant contributions to them and Justlettersandnumbers accidentally G5'ed them, but then restored them when I pointed that out but didn't remove the CSD tag in the restoration and Anthony Bradbury instantly re-deleted them. Could they finally be restored?

Here they are: Ramón Escobar Santiago, Gladys Ejomi, Iñaxi Etxabe, Elisabeth Ebeling, and César Salinas

Thanks for your help! Silverseren 22:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Silverseren 22:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, Silver seren,

You won't believe this but on my crowded laptop screen, I have a window minimized with tabs for all of these pages that I meant to get to a while ago. I guess I can close that window now. I'm glad you remembered though and I'll see if there are any more pages that might not be listed here.

If you look at the page logs for some of these pages, you'll see that some of them were re-deleted ONE MINUTE after they were restored! At that point, I don't see how they were even visible in the speedy deletion folder unless the admin had just opened it that second. Bad timing. Unfortunately, it is not rare for an admin to restore a page and forget to remove the CSD tag that caused it to be deleted in the first place or, for drafts, forget to do an edit to the page and so it is immediately marked for CSD G13 deletion for editor inactivity. And, we'll sometimes restore the page and forget to restore the talk page! Well, we are human and it never hurts to approach an admin directly, like this, rather than going to a noticeboard. I hope you have a good holiday and new year! Liz 22:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks like you posted while I was writing this response! Liz 22:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Hello Liz, Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Ikran Tahlil Farah has a new comment

Merry Christmas!

Season's greetings and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday season. Cheers! RV (talk) 04:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

db-move and drafts

Hi Liz, not sure if you saw the discussion or pings at WT:AFC, but if a reviewer is reviewing a draft and puts a {{db-move}} or similar on an existing redirect so they can accept the draft, please delete it as requested. You do not have to do anything further, as the reviewer will take care of accepting the page (likely very soon after deletion) and cleaning everything up (after all, that's why we have a fancy script for it). Thank you, and if you have any questions feel free to ping me. Primefac (talk) 11:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Primefac,

No, I didn't see the pings, I'm not very consistent with checking my ping notifications because they are always at 99+. They pile up fast.

I did decline some move requests because it didn't look like the draft had even been reviewed or it was in the process of being reviewed. I do the draft moves when the page is clearly reviewed and ready to go. Or I didn't do the move because the editor who posted the move request didn't appear to be an AFC reviewer and it looked like they were trying to get around some restriction. I've seen draft move requests where the draft hadn't even been submitted for an AFC review yet!

Maybe I'll just let someone else handle these although the move requests seem to sit around longer in the CSD categories than other speedy deletion requests. Happy holidays! Liz 15:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Competing article

Hello. Check this, please. PajaBG (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for slogging through

Loads of G5s, I'm afraid. Ugbedeg was prolific, and Luciapop was very slippery as a sock and likely UPE, plus being an AFC reviewer!! You might decide to look at their list of articles created to see what has been missed and what might be left legitmately because of significant edits by other editors. Fiddle Faddle 23:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Timtrent,

I'm trying to work fast but carefully because there is a tendency in these cases for admins to use batch delete to mass delete pages and I think they need to be looked over individually. Oh, Merry Christmas to you! Liz 23:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree that batch delete is inappropriate for these. I have tried hard to interpret the history and am content if you disagree with my interpretation. For me a deletion is always a dual key operation.

Happy Christmas to you as well. Why are we editing on Christmas Day? Fiddle Faddle 23:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

And, sure enough, that's what happened, another admin batch deleted the remainder before I could go through them. Grrrr.

I'm editing because I spent all Christmas morning with my family but now I'm back home and I'm waiting for the news to come on. Liz 23:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunate that they batch deleted. I agree with hindsight with those you chose to decline. I'm torn, though. UPE was very much in evidence, but not evidentially. I hate it when UPE is rewarded by others editing their work all unaware. I understand when we choose not to delete for that reason, though.

This one was good, very hard to spot, and has caused concern.

I'm unwinding after a day with family, too. Fiddle Faddle 23:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Liz, thanks for checking through these. I was going through at the same time but more slowly and generally agreed with your decisions. I've mentioned you at the Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Women in Red as many of the subjects were women, if you'd care to comment there on the deleted articles (whether they looked overtly promotional, how notable they were, how much editing you deemed substantive...) Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Espresso Addict,

Well, I was working quickly so if I "saved" some pages where you don't think the contributions of other editors was significant enough, feel free to delete the pages. I understand why the work of sockpuppets is deleted but it is hard to imagine many of these pages about accomplished African women being recreated so it is with regret that I did the deletions. Liz 01:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there -- I'm very unhappy about the Luciapop situation. It seems like a lot of notable African bios, including many of women, are being deleted for essentially a meta reason relating to the creator, despite the fact that everyone agrees that the encyclopedia is deficient in this area. Women in Red is generally happy to adopt articles on women if they are drawn to their attention. I was hoping some of them could have been moved to draft so that the WiR editors could comb out any problems, but obviously that is not consensus. Anyway, happy Christmas if you celebrate! Espresso Addict (talk) 01:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict If it helps, yesterday I nominated only those I felt had insignificant edits by others. By this I mean the addition of tags, the addition or deletion of categories, the use of reFill, etc. I may have made a couple of errors, which is fine. Liz declined those where they disagreed with me. Like Liz I find batch deletion to be inappropriate im this type of situation. There are too many nuances to consider. And I believe that an admin has as much of a duty as nominator to do their very best for Misplaced Pages, a duty they discharged with a great deal of work.

Luciapop has driven a coach and horses through our defences, or rather Ugbedeg has. We cannot use the apparently valid reason that we are woefully short of articles in an area to reward sock puppetry and likely UPE. Luciapop created 93 articles, mostly formulaic, as if on a production line.

Editors in good standing can and should now look at the Luciapop list with a view to creating wholesomely produced articles on those from that list who have genuine notability. It may be a decent list to start to work from. Fiddle Faddle 10:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hood (soft top)

"Liz" remember:

Stay cool,

don't be a jerk,

don't be a drama mama,

and assume good faith.

And tell me why you have deleted Hood (soft top)

Eddaido (talk) 06:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eddaido,

You don't look like a brand new editor but you are acting like one. New comments are put on the bottom of a talk page, not the top. And the deletion summary on Hood (soft top) tells you exactly why it was deleted, it was tagged as a Proposed deletion. If you would like it to be restore, please make a request at WP:REFUND. Liz 06:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Muazzez Bora

Why did you delete Muazzez Bora article Miss Liz--176.234.225.68 (talk) 12:28, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 176.234.225.68,

Draft:Muazzez Bora which was deleted as a stale, abandoned draft because no one had edited the page in 6 months. If you would like Draft:Muazzez Bora restored, let me know or you can make a request at WP:REFUND. Thanks. Liz 02:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Moving a page

Hello. I'm ZX2006XZ. I was wondering what you would think about moving this draft to article space. Coverage on the certain topic has been pretty notable for a while now. ZX2006XZ (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ZX2006XZ,

This draft has been declined SIX times and finally rejected. I would not move a draft that has been rejected by multiple AFC reviewers into main space. What they are trying to say by declining and rejecting it is that if it was moved into main space, it would be deleted. And I don't think if a draft has been rejected, that an AFC reviewer will consider it an 8th time. Liz 02:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

So... should I make a new draft or something else? ZX2006XZ (talk) 02:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ZX2006XZ,

That might be the best idea. Some times, it's better to work with a blank slate and build up a new article rather than trying to fix the problems of a rejected one. Also, if you found one of the AFC reviewers more helpful or if they offered some constructive advice, you might approach them on their user talk page and ask them for specifics on why the draft was rejected. I don't review drafts myself, so I don't know if they use a mental checklist or if they go through training to spot common errors (like copyright violations or correct references). But I know sometimes the responses AfC reviewers leave aren't very detailed so if one AFC reviewer gave a more detailed response, they might be some help in crafting a new version. Good luck! Liz 03:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. ZX2006XZ (talk) 13:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I made a new draft. It's at this link. I'm not asking for a review or anything. I just wanted you to know. Thanks in advance. ZX2006XZ (talk) 16:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

The other draft is now a redirect to the new draft. You can view it here. ZX2006XZ (talk) 16:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC) ZX2006XZ, passing by, I want to advise you from my 15 years experience here that this will not conceivably be approved until the film has ben released, and reviews are available. Please don't be impatient. DGG ( talk ) 06:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of World Rapid & Blitz Chess Championships

Hi again -- you deleted this as I was trying to decide what to do with it -- it seems to be intended as a redirect to the two pages linked, but there's duplicate content on the tournament and I hadn't worked out which was primary when it turned red. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Espresso Addict,

I have restored the page, it seemed to fit CSD A3 criteria since it just had two internal links. It's great that you might see some use for it. I also posted a message to the page creator suggesting that they create pages in Draft or User space where they can develop articles over time. Thanks. Liz 02:17, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Espresso Addict, I also removed the CSD tag since I can see one of the other speedy deletion patrollers deleting this before you can get to it! Liz 02:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. I work so slowly that things often get deleted while I'm trying to work out how best to salvage them. I've put another note on the creator's talk page; hopefully they won't get too confused! Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Espresso Addict, if you look further up on this talk page, you'll see a discussion about this matter. I was going through dozens of pages that had been tagged CSD G5, carefully but rapidly, because I was so worried about another admin deleting them all through batch delete. I got to most of them before that exact thing happened! But I got to look at about 90-95% of them before they went poof! I found six articles where I thought the contributions of other editors was significant enough to de-tag them. It is much more difficult to judge this after the pages have been deleted. Liz 02:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Personally I don't think batch delete should be used at all; it seems contrary to the need to examine carefully the individual circumstances of each page nominated. If there's genuinely no need for that then the page might as well be deleted by a bot with admin permissions. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

"100 Huntley Street"

You delinked 100 Huntley Street. What you are supposed to do is remove it altogether. Only programs with articles are to be listed. Mr. C.C._{I didn't do it!} 03:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. C.C.,

I don't understand your complaint. I deleted 100 Huntley Street as an expired PROD. When we delete articles, we remove links to the page so there won't be a lot of red links on other articles. Then an editor asked for the article to be restored and it was. What are you asking to be done that you can't do as an editor? Liz 03:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

What's hard to understand? You left it listed without a blue link on three lists. You should have removed it altogether. Not sure why I have to repeat this. Mr. C.C._{I didn't do it!} 03:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't keep track of if and when articles I have deleted are restored, no admins do that. After I have deleted a page, my involvement with it has ended unless there is a question about the deletion. You should create the links since you noticed them, you're an experienced editor, you should know how to do that. I have plenty of activities to keep me busy.

And curb the hostility, please. Merry Christmas to you. Liz 04:14, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

From France

Hello Liz,
This article i.e Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica is admissible. Some english contributors haven't see the sources especially the main source Francis Arzalier. You can see on french tv, the "reportage" Slavery in Corsica under Napoleon".
I demand please that this article will be in the Main.
Thank's you and have a good day !
Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mike Coppolano,

I'm not sure why you are contacting me, I had nothing to do with moving this article to Draft space (Draft:Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica) and I have nothing to do with approving draft articles. You should submit it to Articles for Creation for review.

If you have questions about editing on Misplaced Pages or its policies, I suggest you should bring them to the Teahouse. But, as a piece of advice, most people don't respond well to random people who come to them "demanding" things. This is a collaborative editing project, we are all volunteers here. Liz 05:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

From France

Hello Liz,
The article Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica is avaible. Some english contributors haven't understand the main source Francis Arzalier. It's not possible to delete an article with at once a source. You can see this reportage on french tv (see also my talk page response to John B123)
Thank's and have a nice day,
Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:24, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mike Coppolano,

Why are you leaving me a second message? I just responded to you (above). Good night. Liz 05:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

It was a bug. Day is coming in France, i'm awake and well. I just don't understand why John B123 have /moved my article to Draft. It's not possible to don't give existence to an article who have a source and the main source by Francis Arzalier.I think of all. God bless America ! (my cousin is american) Have a nice day, and thank's Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not possible that John B123 have moved my article Draft:Guadeloupean and Haitian deportees in Corsica. But you can see in the article you have deleted that there was a source Francis Arzalier « Les déportés guadeloupéens et haïtiens en Corse ;» Annales historiques de la Révolution française Année 1993 293-294 pp. 469-490. It's a misunderstood mistake ! Now I think it's possible that the article about Guadeloupe Haiti and France reintegrate the Main, he dont had to leave. Thank's, Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC) Note : Where will go Misplaced Pages if we delete article with source(s) ?

Mike Coppolano, passing by,I noticed this. The article will not be approved in the enWP without some considerable amount of material to put it into context for the general reader . DGG ( talk ) 06:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz and DGG happy new year ("Bonne Année et Bonne Santé" comme l'on dit en France) !

It's a terrible mistake. The article is admissible on wp:en. You just have to translate from french to english. I had given the material (i.e bibliography) in the article. Think. Bonne journée à vous deux ! Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I;ve taken a look at the draft. It's apparently intended as a translation of the very satisfactory article fr:Déportés guadeloupéens et haïtiens en Corse at the French WP. But you can't have an article here by just copying the sources over; you have to either translate the article, or find someone to do it, or write a similar one in English. I know enough French to do this, but I do not have the time. I have listed it for you at Misplaced Pages:Pages needing translation into English. Whether anyone will prove interested, I cannot say. DGG ( talk ) 06:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you DGG Mike Coppolano (talk) 05:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Rail transport in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

I know this is a silly article, but I would like to challenge the prod of Rail transport in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. It was deleted on the grounds that there is no rail transport in this territory. This is not true. The book The Island of South Geogia makes it clear that there is, or at least was several light railways on the island. SpinningSpark 14:29, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spinningspark,

 Done For me, a contested PROD is a restored PROD. Good luck with it! Liz 21:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I notice that someone else quite independently has noticed there is scope for an article here and made an addition. SpinningSpark 12:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Marie-Thérèse Bocoum

Hiya I see you recently deleted Marie-Thérèse Bocoum and was wondering if you could put the former article in my draft space so I can look at it as I assess making a new page for her. Thanks for any help! Mujinga (talk) 19:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mujinga,

I should let you know that admins' opinions vary about doing this (and most would say "No") but I decided to restore the page and move it to your User space at User:Mujinga/Marie-Thérèse Bocoum. Good luck with your new page. Liz 21:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

In need of HELP

@Liz This article is nominated for speedy deletion although I indicated that it is yet to be improved and it is also a stub, can you please lead me to the right path on how to save it and legally eliminate the speedy deletion tag? Motlatlaneo (talk) 21:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

What article? Is it in main space or Draft space? The fastest thing to do is to move it to Draft or User space but it would help if I knew the article so I could see why it's been tagged for deletion. Thank you. Liz 21:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Liz The article is B Major (record producer) I mentioned you on the article's talk page. Motlatlaneo (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

There are a variety of different deletion processes on Misplaced Pages and different ways to handle them. In this case, a discussion has been opened at Articles for Deletion. This can not be stopped unless the nominator withdraws the nomination or this is a Speedy Keep or Speedy Delete which I don't think will happen here.

What you need to do is to go to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/B Major (record producer) and argue why the article should be kept. Read over why other editors believe it should be deleted and address those concerns. If it is because they don't believe he is notable, find references that support that he is important. An AFD discussion normally lasts 7 days so there is time to improve the article. What you don't want to do is to contact other editors and ask them to vote to keep your article. That is called canvassing and will backfire upon you. Don't panic and work on improving the article. I'll read it over when I have more time. Liz 21:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ma'am Motlatlaneo (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem. It can take years to understand how Misplaced Pages works. Also, the Teahouse is always there if you have questions about Misplaced Pages's policies and practices. Good luck. Liz 21:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

A mess of socks

Hello, I've found a suspicious article (Link) that I think was made by a sockpuppeteer familiar to you, but since the first edit is recreating a draft by a user (that i suspect is a sock of this user due to similar naming) and then moved to mainspace by a sock of elshadiman. I have tagged it for G4 since it has a previous AfD to delete it (since I didn't know if G5 would be accepted here), but still I wanted to show this to you because you're more experienced than me in these issues and would know what to do. - Kevo (talk) 23:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

do you think that G5 cirteria may apply to this article? - Kevo (talk) 23:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kevo327,

I'd have to look at the page again. I'm kind of in the middle of doing something else.

If you found a new sockpuppet, or one you suspect is, I find it most helpful to approach the checkuser in the existing SPI who last identified a sock. They have more information than we do and are more familiar with the case specifics. You could either reopen the SPI with a new entry (see instructions on WP:SPI and use the name of the sockpuppeteer) or just put a note on the checkuser's talk page. But don't expect a speedy response at this time of year. It might seem urgent to you but unless there is ongoing vandalism, there is no immediate need to act, especially if the sockpuppet has already been blocked. Liz 23:57, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, It's fully natural for thing to be slower these days. I'll do as advised. Have a nice last-couple-of-days-of-the-year. - Kevo (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

your speedy delete

Hey Liz,

while you're obviously technically correct to delete my talk entry on the non-existant template for Hugo award for best series, it would've been much more helpful to create said template and let others flesh it out. That would've actually improved the wiki a tiny little bit.

Cheers, 165.1.194.41 (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 165.1.194.41,

If I remember correctly, you left a message on a template talk page where there wasn't any template so it was deleted as an orphaned talk page. Who would have even have seen your message? If you want a template created, it would be better to request this at a relevant WikiProject or contact an editor who made similar templates and request it of them. No one would see an orphaned talk page because they wouldn't know it's even there. Liz 04:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Tom McCabe (Rugby League player)

Hi Liz. I see you've prodded Tom McCabe (Rugby League player) and, for what it's worth, I did try to explain to the creator at WP:THQ#Pictures that are owned by the person who has asked it to be uploaded? what tag do I use to say it's got no copyright? that BLPPROD was a possibility. I also did do a little searching for sources on my own but came up empty, and I also posted about this at WT:RL#Tom McCabe (Rugby League player). It seems possible that this person might meet WP:NRU, but I know next to zero about rugby. Maybe WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here? I can't do anything about the images because their copyright status is not clear and most likely they won't be able to be kept without someone's WP:CONSENT, but the subject might be notable for his rugby achievements. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to look for old archived versions of the Rugby League Ireland and found McCabe mentioned on a January 20, 2002 archived version, but he's also listed as a contributor to the page as well. McCabe is also listed as an "executive member" of the RLI in the "Moving forward" section of an October 2001 archived version, but I can't find any mention of him as being president. Anyway, these might be OK for certain bits of article content to remove the BLPPROD, but the RLI's website is a primary source at the very best and I've been unable to find anything from any newspapers or other secondary publications which might help establish notability. I thought https://peoplepill.com/people/tom-mccabe-2 might possibly be OK as an EL because it's not what I would consider to be a reliable source, but it's on WP:BLACKLIST which means it has zero value to Misplaced Pages. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, you are putting a lot of effort into this, Marchjuly. I just came upon a list of BLP bios without any references and I was going to nominate a few every day over a week. Most of them are sports figures so I know that those editors who work with articles in these subject areas are knowledgeable about what sources might exist for football players or snooker players where I don't. I see the BLP PROD tag as a reminder to article creators that they are unfinished and they need to find a reference for their bios. Almost all of the articles I have tagged with a BLP PROD are de-tagged before the waiting period is up. Liz 04:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I actually have no interest in rugby at all, but just thought I'd give it a try. Anyway, some citationss were added to the article by it's creator, but the only one really relevant to the subject was to a YouTube video that was most likely a copyvio. FWIW, the creator responded to the BLPPROD notification you left on their user talk page and I left a post for them on the article's talk page, but I'm not sure what else I can do here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Liz. This person tried to ping you on their user talk page, but it might've not gone through because it was malformed. In addition, perhaps you can take a look at what they posted on the article's talk page when you've got a little time. They seem to mean well, but they also have a plan of creating more articles (perhaps even as many as 300 more) like the McCabe one as part of their efforts to document these players' achievements. I gave some general advice, but perhaps you could add something more. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft : Survivor Corps

Hi Liz {{Help me}} Hello, Merry Christmas and happy healthy holidays You recently did a speecy delete on an older version of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Survivor_Corps_(COVID-19)

Wanted to reach out again as we have grown and evolved and get a 2nd look. Please advise - happy for any further support, guidance and assistance in getting this (new) article ready for prime time, With thanks, Skiman514

Hello, Skiman514,

Can you provide a link to the deleted page? Then I can see the reason for the deletion. I don't review article drafts but I suggest you submit it to Articles for Creation for review. The reviewer can offer you their opinion. Their goal is to get your article in good enough condition so that it won't be deleted when it is moved to the main space.

Also, could you sign your talk page messages with your signature? Just use four tildes (~~~~) and it will put your name and time and date of the talk page message. Thanks. Liz 04:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Skiman514 (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC) Thanks - will look for page link (I did not write it)

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Deletion

I would not create a page and then ask for deletion. I believe Misplaced Pages is the one that requested it? JohnDawson3888 (talk) 05:43, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

You made one edit to the page and it included a deletion tag. Did you cut and paste this content from elsewhere? Liz 05:44, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Index of Telangana-related articles

Please remove items altogether from lists like these, when closing deletions. Index of Telangana-related articles is a list of articles, not a list of topics that no longer have Misplaced Pages articles. Geschichte (talk) 08:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Liz!

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Module:Test module

Can you expound upon this unexplained reversion where you remove {{db-g2}}? That clearly qualifies as a test page and the reason to keep it around is related to phab:T268867 which was closed invalid after the submitting user was schooled on how Module:Module wikitext works. I would have subst'ed Template:Db-test-notice on the talk page of @Huji: but apparently that is protected so an anonymous IP cannot modify it (which sort of defeats the purpose of a talk page in my opinion but apparently there was WP:RD3 and WP:RD2 material posted there). I also notice you were involved in User talk:Huji/Archive 1#Module:Test module. 50.53.12.84 (talk) 14:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

FYI: Huji subsequently replaced the content with {{db-self}} and I helped retag it as such (since modules do not get tagged such by default) and it was subsequently deleted but I would still like to know why you reverted my tagging of that with {{db-g2}}. Thanks. 50.53.12.84 (talk) 14:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Mahmud Muhieddine Barmada

Hi, I would like to know why you deleted the article of Mahmud Muhieddine Barmada, Despite being reviewed by User:Kj cheetham Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lasouhq (talk • contribs) 13:12, 1 January 2022 (UTC) Liz

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In need of aid

Hi @Liz, I wanted to ask if it is advisable to move the draft Kabelo Secondary School to article space (after the I add the coordinates) although it is unreferenced (hatnote applied), the reason the article is unsourced is because I find the sources unreliable. Motlatlaneo (talk) 18:16, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

If you are asking what is "advisable", then, that is to submit your draft to Articles for Creation before you move it. They might decline the draft because of a lack of references but, their goal is to give you advice so that, if you follow their guidance, your article will not be deleted if it is moved into the main space of the project. It is usually required to have at least one reference to verify that this subject of the article actually exists! So, while the AFC reviewers might seem critical, if you get their approval, it is very unlikely that your article will be deleted when it is moved into main space.

What I would advise you to do is, whether you move it into article space yourself or submit it to AFC, make a copy of the content and put it on a User space page in case it does get deleted. You should always have a back-up copy of your work so that if it is deleted, you have a basic version of the article draft so you aren't restarting from scratch. Good luck! Liz 18:34, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Liz,i finally moved the article to main space and added citations and coordinates to verify the existence of the school, is it okay or am I missing something ma'am? Motlatlaneo (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Motlatlaneo,

You are talking about Kabelo Secondary School, right? Honestly, I'm not the best judge of new articles (that is what AFC is for) but at least your article has some valid references which is more than many school articles have so you have that in your favor. An AFC reviewer would be able to tell you if it is "good enough" but I don't think many articles are 100% safe from being tagged for deletion, it always exists as a possibility.

It's marked as a "stub" which is good, the expectations for stub articles are lower than regular articles. I think it's rare that a secondary school has "Notable alumni" so you might just remove that section. In general, from what I have seen on Misplaced Pages over my years, it's better to have a brief article that just states the basic facts about a subject than one that is too long, that has been "padded" with irrelevant content to make it seem more important. Many school articles make the mistake of listing every teacher, every subject the school teaches, every building on the grounds and that stuff is usually quickly removed. Remember that this article is not for prospective students considering going to this school but for anyone looking at this town, this geographic area who wants to see what schools are in the vicinity. Is there any chance there is a website or webpage where readers who want more information could go to get it? This is something you can add to the infobox. Those are my basic comments. I think it is definitely a clear, concise article on your school. Liz 23:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, I'll try to find a suitable url that depicts more information concerning the school

Ma'am I have been wondering, how does one upload an image on Wikimedia commons without violating the copyrights (fair use), because sometimes my work gets tagged for copyrightvio although it's my own craft? Motlatlaneo (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

RE: Welcome back!

Thank you very much for the welcome, the truth is that I had planned to write to you to apologize for the things I said without thinking about the past but you went ahead and wrote to me before haha. More than anything I have returned with the intention of improving some drafts that interest me and not focusing on wanting to be the first to create the drafts. I also wish you a Happy New Year. Bruno Vargas _{Eñe'ẽ avec moi} 03:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bruno Rene Vargas,

Oh, that is good news to hear, we need your talent and knowledge about upcoming films. I was kind of surprised that things got so competitive with you because the main editor who trying to dominate others was blocked and kicked off the platform. So, you no longer had a rival trying to take credit from you. But, believe me, I know how easy it is to become overly invested with editing on Misplaced Pages once it becomes a regular activity. I hope when you are interested in returning you can help some of these stubs become articles that their creators would be proud to claim as their own! Stay well. Liz 23:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

How we will see unregistered users

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Johan (WMF),

I only had a vague idea that this plan was working its way through the WMF organization and I appreciate the message to let us know it is an imminent change. This will greatly affect a large number of our contributors. I, myself, started as an IP editor before I decided to eventually create an account.

Does this mean that people will no longer edit as IP accounts or just that most editors won't be able to view their IP number? Will their contributions be attributed to a randomly generated series of letters and numbers every time they edit? I understand that there are legal consequences that are mandating this change happen, it's just hard to envision how this will work and how page histories will appear. Thanks for the links, I'll go over and see if there are some answers to these questions. Liz 23:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Emptying categories out-of-process

Hi Liz. Could you please explain what "Emptying categories out-of-process" means? I saw that in your edit summary for your removal and subsequent emptying of Category:Vidzeme from Sigulda. I'm trying to figure out why you emptied the category. Please ping me if you respond here. AlexEng 03:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AlexEng,

No problem, it's an expression that editors outside of those who frequent WP:CFD discussions rarely hear. Emptying categories "out of process" is removing the contents of categories so they get tagged CSD C1, are are deleted by speedy deletion. Typically, categories become empty and are deleted as "empty categories" when there is a major category reorganization or if the categories are filled by a template which is deleted at WP:TFD or if they have one article and the article gets deleted by PROD or in an AFD. There is a daily list of empty categories (see Misplaced Pages:Database reports/Empty categories) and if you look at it, you can see that it is a mostly random collection of different types of categories. That's a normal daily list. However, today, there are 27 "People from X" categories which is very unusual to see. It is a result of an editor removing all of the contents of these categories, article by article. This is not how category deletions are supposed to be done.

Now, there might be very good reasons to delete all of these categories, it could be that all of these places have somehow gotten renamed. But what an editor is supposed to do for category renames, mergers and deletions is to make a proposal at Categories for Discussion. For example, you can see some of these discussions if you look at the CFD page for January 4th. This is the proper process for deleting, merging or renaming 27 categories on one subject but, unfortunately, many editors find it faster to just empty categories than to have these discussions that are settled by consensus of interested editors.

Reverting an editor's edits is a drastic step that I've only done once or twice before and I wouldn't have done it if it had been a single category. But looking over this editor's edits, they were doing a major recategorization and their account was only a few days old....this is a huge kind of project for a new editor to take on so I have my suspicions that this is a returning editor who might have been blocked.

I hope this explains things to your satisfaction. Liz 03:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed explanation, Liz. That answers my question and even some follow-up questions I hadn't thought of yet. Thank you for your great work! AlexEng 04:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello

...old respected friend/WP colleague. I recognized your signature from long ago, at the patronymic page, and was, frankly, shocked to see you—someone I knew in an earlier life—still hard at it here. We wanted to wish you, as a sanity supporting former colleague, a Happy and safe New Year. Kind regards to you and yours. 2601:246:C700:558:7012:C16C:DDF:500B (talk) 05:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 2601:246:C700:558:7012:C16C:DDF:500B,

SOOO mysterious! You aren't going to tell me who I knew you as? I'm not going to analyze your edits, just accept your good wishes.

I did take two years off from editing Misplaced Pages after a bout with cancer, the death of a parent, a cross-country move and a return to take some college courses in completely new fields (philosophy, literature and art history). Plus, the national politics scene changed radically in 2016 and I got absorbed with watching network news which left me a little dispirited. But the urge to fix mistakes I saw eventually returned and here I am, back at it. But my promise to myself in 2022 is to cut back on the hours I spend, it was fine during the pandemic but I need to get off my laptop and get back into the face-to-face world, or, the mask-to-mask world, for now. Liz 06:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Just did this series of edits to Aleksandr Sorokin, and decided to show you what your earlier investments of time have yielded. in terms of quality output.

I am very sorry but gratified that the bout was decided in your favour, and that you have recovered from that and the loss and other challenges to look into those new fields. (My minor of many years ago was in philosophy, and I wed an art historian, and so I know a little of what you are engaging.) I understand the temptation with regard to the news, especially in this COVID era, and I have in fact, for work reasons, had to be immersed. But I ultimately decided that too few were actually listening to learned counsel, so that the public health fight was for others with more long term calling—so I toweled off (so to speak) and returned to other, more productive arenas. Here at WP, I simply try to address what I read, sometimes creating short stints, as in today's athlete, but other times engendering very long work on minor intellectual interests. (My seeming devotion, for instance, to the biography of a death row inmate began only with conviction that his and his father's writings should not be substantial sources for that BLP content, and revision of that article took an "age" (by WP standards). As for identity, I will look into ways of sharing, but after two hard chapters at the hands of others here, I am content to remain 2601... and to reach out to those I remember fondly. Cheers, Happy New Year, and I will look back here from time to time. 2601:246:C700:558:B5DC:4EAA:E1D:6C21 (talk) 20:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

The Love of Sumako the Actress vs. The Love of the Actress Sumako

Hello Liz, could you as an admin please handle this? The Love of the Actress Sumako should redirect to The Love of Sumako the Actress, not vice versa, because the former is the common title in film literature. At its present state, it's incorrect. I tried a cut-paste-solution (not the most elegant solution, I know), but this was reversed by another user. Said user referred to WP:CUTANDPASTE; of course, being a non-admin, this doesn't help me much. Could you help here? Thanks, Robert Kerber (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Robert Kerber,

I'm sorry for the delay in responding, I somehow missed seeing your message. But it looks like your problem was fixed by another editor. If things are still not the way you'd like them to be, let me know and I'll try to respond more promptly. Liz 23:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Liz, the thing has been taken care of in the meantime. Thanks for getting back to me. Best, Robert Kerber (talk) 06:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Viewing deleted pages

Hello Liz, I guess my admin skills need an update, since I'm not able to see any more than a user name and “(log details removed) (edit summary removed)” for the deleted pages you list at Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Speedy deletion idea. Could you help me with this, please? If you like, you can use e-mail. ◅ Sebastian 06:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sebastian,

I know that some of the pages (2?) were oversighted so you wouldn't be able to see those even with admin abilities. From what I remember, they were just personal profiles from children so that content was oversighted. I hope that helps. Liz 07:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, that explains it! I just looked at the wrong pages, then. Yes, there are two that behave that way, so I presume that they have been oversighted. (Or is there any direct way to know?)

Of the others, most do indeed mention professions, but I doubt that they could ever be used for self-promotion. E.g. I got a good laugh out of Geet's “Profession-sinning”.

Much as I agree that it was silly to delete them just after you posted the links to them, couldn't that be a hint towards a solution of the problem? If the admins who deleted or moved them joined some group or category such as “admins who are happy to delete or move unencyclopedic pages” then one could just delegate that part of mopping to them and let them deal with any possible consequences such as WP:REFUND. Eventually, they would also figure out whether it's better to delete or move them. ◅ Sebastian 09:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sebastian,

I'm afraid my frustration got the best of me with my comment about deleting examples, it just used to happen to me all of the time, especially when I was a new admin. I'd go to a fellow admin's page and ask, "What is correct thing to do about Page X?" and then an admin who was cruising by the talk page would just delete the page which kind of ended the conversation. But I think when some admins spot problematic pages, their instinct is to get rid of the offending page even if it was the central point of a discussion.

As for the discussion at WP:CSD, I think what I was hoping for was some new criteria which would less of an indictment of the editor than "promotion" and indicate that the page was inappropriate but the page creator was just misguided without any ill intent to use Misplaced Pages as an advertising platform. That is why for some of these pages, I mark them as "tests" because creating these profiles is usually the first and only edit many of these editors make. But I thought the chance of creating a new criteria for speedy deletion in 2022 would require a massive campaign and RFC and I don't think most editors see these rather naïve, harmless pages as really much of a problem, at least not serious enough to change a long-standing policy. But I survey upcoming stale drafts and I see dozens of these sorts of pages every day so I wanted to at least initiate a conversation about them so that more editors were aware of the fact that many very young editors see creating their own Misplaced Pages page as similar to creating a social media profile page on Instagram or Facebook. Liz 23:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

As for me, my primary reaction with your OP was to sympathize with your frustration. But while I found the suggestion for such a new criterium sounded reasonable, I didn't see an urgent need for it. “Profession-sinning” editors, or at least editors with big penises, have been around for 17 years, and what you described didn't sound so significantly different from their contributions as to require specific attention. Until about a year ago, when I last intensively dealt with new pages, I never felt a need for such a new speedy criterium. Now your last sentence sounds like you noticed a dramatic increase of such new pages just recently. If your intention was to alert us of that, then it would have been more effective to name the section accordingly and back it up with statistics. (For me, a diagram would have really driven home the point.) The very generic subject “Speedy deletion idea”, of which, if one subtracts the page title, only the notion “some idea” remains, smells too much like a solution in search of a problem. (Speaking of naming sections, now that the subject of our conversation changed, I wouldn't mind if you adjusted the headline here.) ◅ Sebastian 02:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Bali MMA

Greetings, you have deleted the page but I think you have not checked the additional citations I added or the edit summary where I have specifically mentioned why at least another AfD is required. The page has been improved from its last stage with more citations so I would request you to kindly restore the page please. Thank you. --Berantral (talk) 07:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Berantral,

The AfD was just closed, at the end of November, we usually don't run AfDs back-to-back, they are typically done years apart, not weeks. One or two new references wouldn't overturn a consensus decision at an AfD to delete this article. You also misrepresented the decision at this AfD discussion in an edit summary, it wasn't a "soft delete", it was a straight decision to delete. Liz

Deleted content

Hi there. You recently deleted a sandbox page that I was working on. I was asked to created a bio for myself to send to someone who wanted to create a page for me in Misplaced Pages. I thought the easiest way to do that was to get the fundamentals of the breakdown created in a sandbox that was not published and I could Edit it and then just copy pasta to the person who wants to create my bio. I thought it was a sandbox that no one could see and I was using it to just learn the fundamentals for editing a couple other pages. Learning to use Misplaced Pages has been on my bucket list for some time. I apologize for anything I did wrong. Is there any way to get the work that I did back? Or is it gone forever? It doesn't need to be on Misplaced Pages, But I would like to get the draft I was working on back. Again, I thought it was just and sandbox to play in and learn and did not think it was published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardtmartin (talk • contribs) 17:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bernardtmartin,

There are times when admins can restore pages that were deleted, Bernard. But in this case, it was deleted not just for being promotional but for being a copyright violation of your LinkedIn page. For legal reasons, content taken directly from other sites or sources can't remain on Misplaced Pages and so this can't be restored. I can email you the content if you'd like.

As far as wanting a biography of yourself on Misplaced Pages, I encourage you to read over Misplaced Pages:Autobiography on why this action is discouraged, primarily because it's almost impossible to write one with a neutral point-of-view because of the natural conflict-of-interest we all have about ourselves.

There is also a good essay, Misplaced Pages:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and the message there is that if there is an article about you on Misplaced Pages, you would have no control over what content editors would add to it or remove from it. I don't know anything about you or your life but an article might not highlight aspects of your career that you are the proudest of. As hard as it might seem to get an article on to Misplaced Pages, once it is created and approved, it can also be a challenge to remove it should it ever turn into a biography that you are unhappy about. Misplaced Pages regularly gets requests from people who want their biographical articles removed from the project. Just something to consider in your quest for an article. Liz 17:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

HelloLiz. Thank you. Yes please email me the content. Thanks much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardtmartin (talk • contribs) 17:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hank Kunneman

Courtesy notification of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hank Kunneman. While I'm with you in firmly believing it should be deleted—the sourcing is totally inadequate for any BLP, let alone one making contentious claims like this—I can't really justify deleting it under A7. The coverage he gets is itself a prima facie credible claim of significance, so a speedy deletion would reasonably be appealed which would in turn have the perverse effect of making it harder to delete the page since people would see "this page was previously kept" in the history. Much as I dislike the AfD circus, I think this is one that's going to need to be done the long way round. ‑ Iridescent 09:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Iridescent,

That sounds sensible, Iridescent. When I tag pages like these, instead of deleting them, I'm really looking for a second opinion. This fellow seems like a kook Misplaced Pages doesn't need a bio of but probably borderline as far as notability goes and I can now see that AFD is the proper step to take. Thanks for informing me about opening this deletion discussion. Liz 16:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Iduma igariwey

i believe on its talk page i had objected to moving it, as per Misplaced Pages:Drafts#Objections. RZuo (talk) 19:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RZuo,

Are you talking about Draft:Iduma igariwey? You placed an objection on the talk page last summer about moving the draft. But the draft was deleted yesterday as a CSD G13 abandoned draft because the page hadn't been edited since July 7, 2021. Placing an objection on a talk page six months ago won't stop an abandoned draft being deleted the next year. What will prevent a deletion is to continue to work on the draft. Drafts that have been abandoned (unedited for at least six months) aren't kept around indefinitely, we have a speedy deletion criteria that is specifically about their deletion.

Do you plan on working on this one and improving it? Because if the answer is "yes", then I'd be happy to restore it. Let me know. Liz 19:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Drafts#Objections: "If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace, and if it is not notable, list it at AfD." "If anyone objects, it is no longer an uncontroversial move, and the page needs to be handled through other processes, such as deletion, stubbing, tagging, etc." RZuo (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

i repeat, Misplaced Pages:Drafts#Objections has put it clearly, that such a page can only have two outcomes -- either being moved back, or being moved back and listed at afd. Misplaced Pages:Deletion_policy#Incubation: "Incubation is not intended to be a "backdoor route to deletion"." there is no ground for any speedy deletion once an objection has been made. the draft was not abandoned, but pending a move.--RZuo (talk) 17:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RZuo,

I told you that if you wanted the draft restored I would do it but you seem to care more about arguing than working on this draft.

I deleted this draft because it met the criteria for speedy deletion, CSD G13, that is the extent of my involvement. I didn't move this page. You can argue about whether or not the page should have been moved with the editor or admin who moved the page, which is what you should have done in July 2021 instead of leaving a message on a draft talk page that no one would ever see.

If you want to work on improving this draft page, I will restore it but if you want to argue about policy interpretations, please find someone else or somewhere else to do that. Liz 17:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz. I have fixed the issues, and the article is now at Iduma Igariwey. It is obviously a stub but I an sure it is not amenable to speedy deletion and will survive an AfD,--Ymblanter (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

And now it was converted into a redirect, so that the issue is moot anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

S$

$S welcome --CBFuc782 (talk) 17:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Merge Deborah Tucker (skater) with Deborah Tucker (actress)

Hi Liz,

Not very technically savvy, I’m trying to merge myself as my name shows up in two different places on Misplaced Pages. How do I go into my actress page and at least add “Deborah Tucker” and “Figure skating at the Winter Universiade”, event link here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Figure_skating_at_the_Winter_Universiade

…both my name and event as live links when you click on them, added to my actress page (possible)??

I don’t need a separate skater page on its own, as I don’t have other skating titles, (only competed at nationals in 1985 and 1986, and didn’t make podium) but it would be nice when you click on “Deborah Tucker” under 1985 Ladies Bronze at “Figure skating at the Winter Universiade” it would go to my actress page.

Please help, and email me with any questions as that would be easier than through this (hoping this message even gets to you or to the powers that be).

Thanks,

Deborah Tucker (actress/skater) Tucker.deb@gmail.com Debralynn28! (talk) 00:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Alien, Machine or Human?

What! are you a robot, alien or human? It’s 1:18 in New Jersey. Get some sleeepppp!!! Celestina007 (talk) 06:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007!

Oh, I'm not in New Jersey any more. I did live there for 20 years though. But I'm in the Pacific Northwest now so it's only about 10:30 pm. Bedtime soon! It must be early morning where you are!

I've spent the last few hours not editing but reading old noticeboard cases and SPI case reports, trying to catch up on things. I use to spend a lot of time participating on noticeboards when I first started editing but it came out as a very negative thing at my RfA so I rarely visit them now. But staying away has made me out-of-the-loop on certain events that have occurred on Misplaced Pages since last summer. It seems like there has been a fair amount of the regular drama, but I really hate how what seem like small disputes can get taken to ANI and spiral out-of-control and sometimes backfire on people. It really is a court of last resort unless there is a huge problem that needs to be addressed quickly.

Any way, I hope you are well and the new year has started off smoothly for you! Liz 06:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh! That’s a 9 hour time difference, yes it’s barely 8:06am in the city of Lagos, The new year has been great for me! To expatiate on your point when I had surgery sometime last year and was still in admission and spent a great amount of time on the hospital bed what I predominantly did was read some ANI's from way before my time and a general dive into history, I found it kind of interesting and bizarrely therapeutic. Celestina007 (talk) 07:06, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Cobra Pumps

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Addred85

Hi, Liz. I apologize for creating confusion in creating the page for David Mead's album Cobra Pumps. Is there no way to delete either the "draft" version (https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Cobra_Pumps_(David_Mead_album)) or the "real" version (https://en.wikipedia.org/Cobra_Pumps_(David_Mead_album))? It's fine with me if one is deleted, or both, and I start from scratch with specific instructions on how to create a proper page. I think I created the page for Dudes correctly, but maybe not? Creating pages and uploading album covers under "fair use" guidelines (see also: the album cover I uploaded for Dudes) are two things that seemed easier several years ago, but maybe I'm wrong — it's been a while. Again, I apologize, and thank you for your patience.

Hello, Addred85,

I decided that, rather that deletion, I'd turn the draft into a redirect to Cobra Pumps (David Mead album) in order to preserve the page history.

Please in the future sign your talk page posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). This will sign your message with your username, a link to your user page and the time and date of your message. Thank you. Liz 00:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Liz! —Addred85

Approve Draft:Prince Ukpong Akpabio

please i have made changes to the page Prince Ukpong Akpabio still save in draft.please review and approve Edyreuben (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Edyreuben,

I don't review drafts but it looks like you have already decided to move Prince Ukpong Akpabio II to the main space of the project. I would have recommended you submit the draft to Articles for Creation to prevent a speedy deletion tagging. Liz 00:14, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Tala Halawa AfD

Greetings Liz,

I've just noticed that you've closed the deletion discussion on the aforementioned article. I hadn't realized it's been seven days since my nomination (how sloppy of me). Would it be possible to reopen and extend the discussion, as it had exactly two keep comments (with hardly any content) and no discussion: hardly a consensus. I was holding off on responding, lest other impartial parties take part in a meaningful discussion, but was beat by the clock. I really hope that my sloppiness and the apparent lack of interest (and perhaps not advertising in the correct fora) doesn't result in the perpetuation of this unencyclopedic and unsalvageable article which is about a single event that happened to a non-notable living young lady. Best regards! --Fjmustak (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Fjmustak,

I'm not 100% certain that this is the correct step to take but I'm new to closing AfD discussions so I've accommodated your request. I think 2 keep votes is sufficient to decide to Keep an article but I've reopened the discussion. Liz 00:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I appreciate your accommodation. --Fjmustak (talk) 00:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages:Anyone can edit" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Misplaced Pages:Anyone can edit and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 11#Anyone can edit until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Restore Article of Sanjaysinh Sukhdevsinh Gohil

Hi, Liz. I saw that you deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/Sanjaysinh_Sukhdevsinh_Gohil under CSD G4. It's my understanding that it was Created by mistake. Would you mind restoring it to draft ? so i can continue editing draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by CassanoVincenzo (talk • contribs) 05:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CassanoVincenzo,

This article was just deleted through an AFD discussion, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sanjaysinh Sukhdevsinh Gohil, so, no, I can't restore a page that was a recreation of a page just deleted. Liz 22:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Talk page deletions

Hi Liz! I was about to drop a note on The Banner's talk page to say that we don't usually delete user talk pages, but I see you are deleting them, so I figured I'd double-check with you first to see if I was missing anything. 28bytes (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you are missing something. And that is that I am restructuring my old archives. From 12 monthly archives I bundle them into 1 yearly archive. The Banner talk 21:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the clarification. 28bytes (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 28bytes and The Banner,

Not sure if this is worked out but my understanding is that we don't delete THE User Talk page but that it was okay to delete User Talk Archive pages. I have to say that The Banner is only the 2nd or 3rd editor I've run into who requested Talk Archive pages to be deleted, it's not a common request but I thought that it was okay because all of the edit history is still on their main User Talk page. If I'm incorrect, let me know. Liz 22:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz; no, you're fine, I deleted the rest of them. It wasn't clear to me what was going on but The Banner explained it so we're all good. Sorry to have bothered you! 28bytes (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Re:Mayor of Wigan

Hi Liz, I looked at criteria for speedy deletion and think it might fail WP:A7 and WP:Notability. There's a significant lack of coverage outside of Wigan.gov.uk (the only source in the article), that I suspect is unreliable (couldn't find anything at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard). Thanks, CalSmith2 (talk) 02:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CalSmith2,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your message about Mayor of Wigan. So far, two different administrators have removed speedy deletion tags you placed on this article. I think the problem here is that you appear to be a very new editor and you are not familiar with our deletion processes. Criteria for speedy deletion are very specific and you can not tag a page "Delete" and then insert your own reason. However, if you use Proposed deletion or Articles for Deletion then you can put forth an argument on why you believe an article should be deleted...you can not do this with speedy deletion.

If you have questions about editing Misplaced Pages or its variety of deletion processes, please bring them to the Teahouse which is a forum for new editors to ask more experienced editors for advice and support. Liz 00:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Improper CFDS

Why did you speedy rename Category:16th-century Persian mathematicians, even though the rename was opposed at WP:CFDS? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:11, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hwllo, LaundryPizza03,

Typically, when these proposed renamed categories appear on the Empty Category list, it's because they've been approved and emptied. If that's not the case here, then I will restore it. Liz 17:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please restore. See Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy#Opposed_requests. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done earlier today. Liz 04:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Empty category with invisible member

Hey Liz, do you know why Category:Belgium weatherbox templates page information is showing it having one page in it but the category looks empty to me? Gonnym (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gonnym,

Thanks for letting me know. Admins have been having problems with category counts for speedy deletion categories since last night and I wonder if this is an extension of that issue. See Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#Problems with speedy deletion category counts. I see no other reason why there would be a message saying the category isn't empty when it clearly is. Unfortunately, looking into the Phab ticket for this problem, WMF deploys new software for the English Misplaced Pages on Thursdays and the message on the ticket was doubtful whether any WMF developer could look into this over the weekend. If this is all the same problem, then it can't be limited to just this Misplaced Pages.

But I've brought up issues with inaccurate category counts for years--pages tagged as being in a category but when you look at the category page, they aren't there!--without much of a response from the WMF developers who thought it was a low priority problem. It's mainly a problem that has come up with stale drafts and empty categories which aren't really a priority for anyone unless one is part of the clean-up crew. Liz 00:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Favor

Hey L, coming straight to you to help me avoid WP:ANI drama with another user. As you know I spend much time on our red categories report, and this time User:寒吉 is responsible for a large number of the of the red categories (here's just one diff). When I started to remove them from each page to which that user had added them, that user reverted my edits without comment or discussion, and when I went to the user's talk page to discuss, at User talk:寒吉#Please do not revert edits without_discussion, well you see how that went: near as I can tell the user wants me to create all of the categories? Appears may be a WP:NOTHERE situation and is certainly disruptive. If I am off base let me know; otherwise can you please provide me some administrator support? Pinging @寒吉:. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:35, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, UnitedStatesian,

While we haven't seen eye-to-eye 100% of the time, I value the work that you do and we have assisted each other in the past when it comes to working with categories. Unfortunately, this is not the best time for me, I'm heading to bed soon and leaving town for my first weekend away since the pandemic started.

The only resistance I've encountered to WP:REDNO are the red link User categories that people seem to like to create and trying to explain how we allow 2 of them (User pages and User talk pages) and no more sometimes doesn't go over well. But there shouldn't be edit wars over removing red links. I'll try to look into this tonight. Liz 05:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Found two similar article

I have found two similar article about a Malayalam film: Ammavanu Pattiya Amali and Ammaavanu Pattiya Amali. Both represent the same movie. So could you delete the latter one or guide me on how to delete it. As the second one doesn't have any reference either, the first one has much more information than the second. Aadirulez8 (talk) 07:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aadirulez8,

It looks like UnitedStatesian already did what I would have advised you to do which is not to delete the article but change it into a redirect to the article you want the focus to be upon. Then you retain the page history so any information that is useful in the other version is available to you, with proper attribution, of course. Deletion isn't always the best way to resolve these dueling version problems. Liz 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Puppet (Tyler, the Creator song)

Hi Liz. This article was moved to mainspace by you, but recently another editor has blanked and redirected it. I was wondering if you had any stance on whether the article is suitable for mainspace/passes notability guidelines? ––FormalDude talk 09:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, FormalDude,

I don't have an opinion of this particular article but I do have an opinion about creating a second version of this piece in Draft space. Please don't do this! If you disagree with changing it into a redirect, you can ask the editor who did this about this. But the version that already exists in the page history should not be superseded by a new draft version that you've cut and pasted. Please work with the version that you first created and that can mean that you "un-redirect" the page. But I'd talk to the other editor first so that you understand why they changed the page into a redirect so this doesn't become an edit war. But, please, we really don't need two copies of articles about the same subject. Thank you. Liz 00:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Jonathan Jacoby

Hi Liz,

We are frustrated at not being able to meet the standards set by your editors, which btw come across as confused and inconsistent. There are so many pages published on the site now that include flawed information and questionable sources. Sources included with our submission are legitimate publications. We don't understand how why we are not allowed.

Is this about having to pay someone off? Do we have to "hire" an agency approved by your editors to get published? Please advise.

Cynthia 2600:1700:352B:20:CC82:768E:301:33EE (talk) 06:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

dropping by, I took a look at Draft:Jonathan Jacoby. It was deleted only because nobody was working on it, and it can be restored. So I have done so. I was the reviewer who first declined it, so I have given you some advice on the draft page. I assume you are CyncoLA. Please always sign in with your account. The first and essential thing to do is to declare if you have a conflict of interest, as appears probable. See our rules at WP:COI, and WP:PAID, ifthat applies. The article will not be approved until you have made a statement about this on the draft. I cannot edit the article directly, and I do not think I should directly edit the draft, because I am a member of at least one of the organizations he has been affiliated with. The advice I give you here and on the draft is the general advice I would give anyone writing about any organization. DGG ( talk ) 06:40, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Review

Hi, Liz Please review this Article , Thanks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Susovan 2409:4060:201E:5ED0:0:0:C47:C8A0 (talk) 13:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Please restore per Erik Boivie on English Misplaced Pages

Hi Liz, on December 24, 2021, you deleted the contribution Per Erik Boivie from English Misplaced Pages, where it had been since October 2018. You state that is is not "notable". The creator of TCO Certified - the world's leading sustainability certification for IT products is notable and I hope you will restore it. My very best regards, Yngve Sundblad, y@kth.se Professor emeritus in Computer Science / Human-Computer Interaction Royal institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yngvesund (talk • contribs) 11:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

CSD for User:Menace_Gettin_Money_Glock

Twinkle wouldn't let me add a link as a comment unless it was specifically to a MFD, but there was no previous discussion to link to -- it didn't go through MfD. It speedily deleted as a G3 a couple hours before recreation... jp×g 09:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Sterling K. Frost Misplaced Pages Article

Hi. I understand that you have placed my page for deletion because of possible copyright violations. I have carefully rewritten the article in my sandbox here: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Gabcol/sandbox. Can you let me know if the rewrite is clear now as I have made the edits? Gabcol (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gabcol,

The copyright violation tool says it still closely resembles the bio on this First Citizens Group page. But above all, I can't ever verify that a page will never be tagged for deletion no matter how well-written an article is. No one can give you a guarantee.

What I would recommend is submitting your draft for review to Articles for Creation, AfC reviewers have a better sense on what is an acceptable article and what is likely to survive than the rest of us. That's their job, reviewing drafts and making recommendations so they won't get deleted if moved into main space. So, their opinion is worth more than mine is.

If you have general questions about editing on Misplaced Pages, I recommend bringing them to the Teahouse. Thanks. Liz 00:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Revdel

this please. Cheers --Megan B.... till the end of time 22:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Synoman Barris,

It looks like Spencer already got to it. Thanks for bringing it to an admin's attention. Liz 23:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Letha Weapons

I spent hours researching and writing Letha Weapons? I thought it was pretty good, Why did you delete it? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 23:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Polycarpa aurata,

As the deletion note states on the article page, this article was just deleted in an AFD decision, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Letha Weapons. Any recreation of this article in main space will be deleted unless it is judged to be "substantially different" from the version that was deleted.

As far as I know, the only way to overcome an AFD decision to "Delete" is to work on an article in Draft space and submit it to approval to Articles for Creation. Without getting approval from an AfC reviewer, any article on this subject moved into main space will be deleted. Thanks. Liz 23:50, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, I don't mean to be rude, but how am I supposed to know that? I noticed Letha Weapons didn't have a page when I created the page for John Wayne Bobbitt Uncut. I put a lot of work into her page and now it is all lost? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, it states right on the page that it was deleted due to an AFD decision just 11 days ago. If you look at Letha Weapons, it states this right on the page.

I'm willing to restore your version and move it to your sandbox so you can submit it to AfC. But if you try to move it right back into main space, it will be deleted again. Liz 00:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

It literally says "If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue." So I did. I had no idea that it was just deleted. Can you direct me to the rules about creating pages that have been deleted? Thanks. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 00:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Deletion review for Letha Weapons

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Letha Weapons. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, Polycarpa aurata, thanks for letting me know. Liz 04:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, can you please put a copies of the two pages somewhere so that I can compare them? Thanks. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Polycarpa aurata,

Since you contested my page deletion at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review, I'm considered an "involved administrator" and, aside from explaining my action, I have to stay out of the proceedings while the deletion decision is being reviewed by other editors or admins. You might try asking admin Daniel, I know he's done similar things in the past.

I hate to say "I told you so", but you should have taken my offer to restore your page to your Sandbox so you could submit it to AfC, then you'd have your content back right now instead of having to wait a week for this review to be completed. Oh, well, now you know. Thanks. Liz 23:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. I understand. I will ask Daniel to see if they are willing to do it. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Please restore my Draft: Antonin Beliard

Hi Liz, I am TotoB12 I have recently worked on my own Misplaced Pages page for a few months now. I have just learnt that you have deleted it, citing the fact that I have not modified in the last six months. I edited the page not longer than two weeks ago, and so I do not understand the reason of this deletion. Thanks, TotoB12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TotoB12 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TotoB12,

I deleted this page in August 2021 so I'm not responsible for the recent deletion. But, apparently, there was content that was oversighted, that probably was why it was deleted. If you get unblocked, we can continue this discussion and see if there is a possible remedy. But, right now, I do not have access to whatever content you recently added to the page. Liz 23:43, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Howard Stableford

You deleted Howard Stableford, in response to a PROD request made on the basis of lack of notability, a couple of weeks ago. I believe the subject is notable. Please will you restore the article, so that it can be improved, or sent to AfD if anyone feels strongly enough. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Andy Mabbett,

It looks like Hut 8.5 got to this page restoration before I saw your message. Glad you could get your article back to work on. Liz 23:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

HEY YOU ADD THE GDP COUNTRIES VS STATES ARTICLE BACK PLEASE

HEY YOU ADD THE GDP COUNTRIES VS STATES ARTICLE BACK PLEASE. It was such an educational article I don’t know why you would do such a stupid think, people legit use this to teach kids. 73.206.1.124 (talk) 12:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 73.206.1.124,

It would help if you provided a link to the deleted page so I knew which page you were talking about. Liz 23:38, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Azerbaijan–Fiji relations

A tag has been placed on Category:Azerbaijan–Fiji relations indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:54, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Nebraska Railroad Museum

Hi Liz, just a courtesy heads up that I undeleted this. I thought I had more time until G13 (my own miscalculation). With more news of the museum's reopening, re-location I think there will be meaningful updates soon to help us determine whether this will be mainspace ready. Let me know any questions. Star Mississippi 23:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

Oh, no problem. But when you restore a deleted stale draft, you need to make a minor edit to the page or it remains eligible for speedy deletion, CSD G13. The page restoration doesn't count as an edit to the page so it looks as if there have been no edits to it in over six months. These things you pick up when you patrol WP:REFUND. Liz 23:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for that tip! Drafts are 100% not my area, so appreciate the heads up. I'd blame unfamiliarity with drafts for the G13 mistiming, but that was really just poor math. Have a great evening! Star Mississippi 01:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, Star Mississippi, you aren't the page creator so you wouldn't have received a 5 month reminder from Firefly Bot so it's understandable. Heck, lots of people who do get the reminders forget! Liz 01:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Ooh didn't even know that was an opportunity. I had just put it on my calendar incorrectly. I don't even remember how I ended up finding this article, but now it's back on my to do list, literally, on my userpage. Thanks again! Star Mississippi 01:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Request to undelete/add back Draft:Sioux Chief Showdown and Draft:Connor Hall (racing driver)

Hi Liz,
Last month, I requested the undeletion of an article draft I created, Draft:Sioux Chief Showdown, and you were the person to respond to that request, saying that I should further confirm that I intend on working on it because last time it was undeleted, I said I would make edits to it but never ended up doing so. I do have specific edits in mind that I would like to make to the article draft, so I hope that it is added back. The same goes for Draft:Connor Hall (racing driver), although I think I forgot to request that it be added back a few weeks ago when you deleted that article draft. I just put in new undeletion requests for both of these articles again so they're on the "requests for undeletion" page since undeletion requests go away/are archived after a certain amount of time.

Thank you,
Cavanaughs (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

P.S. I saw your userpage (or pages since you also have a second account, Nwjerseyliz) and that you are from New Jersey! So am I- I'm from Central Jersey! Pretty cool that you're a teacher or professor in New Jersey (that's what it seems since in you say "my students" in your userpage intro) and edit Misplaced Pages in your spare time! I'm a college student at Rider and edit Misplaced Pages in my spare time! (Check out my userpage intro for more info about me!)

Hello, Cavanaughs,

I have restored Draft:Sioux Chief Showdown and Draft:Connor Hall (racing driver). You know, these drafts have been restored THREE times and I don't think I'm overstating it to say that they will not be restored a fourth time. If you went to WP:REFUND to ask for these drafts to be restored, I think you would have been asked a lot of questions about them. So, please keep actively editing these pages and get them in shape to submit to Articles for Creation because if these drafts are deleted again due to inactivity, I don't think there is an administrator who will restore them again. The goal is to get new articles for main space of the project and so having pages indefinitely in Draft space is undesirable.

As for me, I lived in New Jersey for 20 years and that's where I lived when I initially started editing Misplaced Pages and signing up for social media accounts so that's where my username comes from. I mostly lived in Morris County so a bit north of where you are from. I'm now in the Pacific Northwest but I don't think of myself as a local yet so I just go by "Liz". I do miss the Garden State though! We don't have Rita's Italian Ice here. Liz 00:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Requesting undeletion of Draft:Ayan (actor)

@Liz:Hello ma'am I saw you deleted my draft due to recreation of the draft but I got permission from User:Anachronist and started making the draft I'm currently working on the after I feel it's ready I will submit it for AFC approval as per advice. you also moved it. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 07:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User:Liz and User:Anachronist. The article/draft was a WP:HOAX that is repeatedly recreated. It looks they are simply buying time to create some unreliable/false references. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#Draft:Ayan_(actor) for the discussion. Also, see c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ayan in a award show.jpg uploading fake images. 2402:3A80:68B:32BF:95AA:51F4:2553:A931 (talk) 14:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I can't comment on the hoax aspect, but I do wonder about deleting Draft:Ayan (actor) for the reasoning that the original article was deleted by AFD, particularly if the new revision is substantially different. A draft is an appropriate venue to create a new article that addresses the concerns raised in an AFD discussion. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Anachronist please have a look at Draft:Ayan Nayak (deletion log). Thanks 2402:3A80:68B:32BF:95AA:51F4:2553:A931 (talk) 15:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I am aware of that. What is your point? My original comment still stands. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Anachronist, I typically don't delete drafts of articles that are recreations of articles that were deleted in AFD decisions but it looked like this article had been repeatedly recreated and deleted several times which, to me, makes a difference that if it is the first attempt at overcoming an AFD deletion decision. I'll have to consider this request.

But my gut feeling is that if I do restore this page, within a few minutes, it will just be tagged for deletion again and another admin will come to me, asking why I restored it. Articles on this subject have a big, red target on them and I don't think one will be approved by AFC and survive to be in main space until the article subject has more substantial reliable sources to support the claims that they have an acting career. Liz 16:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: & @Anachronist: I understand the entity has red target and could not get quick AFC approval; also in the point I haven't submitted the draft for review also there was a tag that the article is not ready for the draft; It needs more reliable sources and this needs time. Also I don't know why the user who tagged the draft for deletion using the IP rather than using his/her real account. It's a request to restore the draft. If some users have so much problem in draft, I will make on my sandbox and based on. There is no policy on Misplaced Pages I think it says that based on past history what others did repeatedly re-created something like that all was a Hoax as per the IP user says, we can't make a draft of the user and I think if I get back the draft we can Improve the draft. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 17:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I suggest, when significant reliable and independent coverage becomes available, that you request of the deleting administrator (Liz in this case) to restore the draft for you to work on. The sources need to be more than just announcements and interviews, and you should be able to prove that the subject meets WP:NACTOR criteria. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Anachronist: and @Liz: sure and would request Liz not to move this talk section to achieve so that I can make the request here. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 18:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, २ तकर पेप्सी,

I just moved user talk pages messages from September 2021 to talk page archives yesterday, so this discussion will probably be here until April or May. And I plan on being around. Liz 19:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Liz and Anachronist: Just for information I am sure Draft:Ayan (actor)/Draft:Ayan Nayak/Ayan Nayak are same. My query is why every time the article is being created with a different name in draftspace? Is they are trying to hide something in oder to avoid WP:SCRUTINY? The creator usually has a habit of bypassing WP:AFC. As per I remember the references used were non-reliable/non-connected and few were WP:CRYSTAL and fake in nature. He has also uploaded fake superimposes images of the Draft:Ayan (actor) and has been involved in interwiki spamming. See the same was attempted in Bengali Misplaced Pages bn:অয়ন (অভিনেতা) was deleted (deletion log) by আফতাবুজ্জামান with edit summary (সম্পূর্ণরূপে ধোকাবাজী। তথ্যসূত্র ব্যবহার করা হয়েছে একজন বাংলা না জানা চলচ্চিত্র নির্মাতার। কমন্সের ছবিগুলো এডিটেড ও ম্যানিপুলেটেড। নিবন্ধের অয়ন আর তথ্যসূত্রে) that translates to (Completely deceptive. References have been used by a non-Bengali filmmaker. Commons images and references are edited and manipulated.). They have also tried to add "Ayan Nayak" in en-wiki Brahmāstra (film) where one these reference used mentions "Ayan Mukerji" NOT "Ayan Nayak". These are added quietly to legitimize his claims in the new article. In bn-wiki his same trick was reverted as per whose edit summary translates to (The 5639605 revision that was edited by २ तकर पेप्सी has been canceled - self-promotion, the two are not the same persons.) by Yahya. Respected admins here २ तकर पेप्सी is just WP:GAMING in Misplaced Pages projects. 19:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

They are not the same. Draft:Ayan (actor) is only marginally better, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

pinging admins and experienced editors who have dealt with their edits in various Misplaced Pages projects including here @আফতাবুজ্জামান, Yahya, DanCherek, EugeneZelenko, and Bonadea: for their insights and opinions if they wish. 2402:3A80:6BD:C0B7:89EA:4877:59F5:C50 (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 2402:3A80:6BD:C0B7:89EA:4877:59F5:C50,

Why are you so interested in this draft of this little known person? You seem very familiar with the page creator who I assumed was the article subject but maybe I'm wrong. Is this a continuation of some interpersonal conflict on the Bengali Misplaced Pages? Liz 19:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: I came across so much details on investigating their global contributions. Similar things were going at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Blogs19 and stalking Itcouldbepossible talk-page at User_talk:Itcouldbepossible#Hello_2 I discovered the draft unusual and also informed at the WT:AFC. 2402:3A80:6BD:C0B7:89EA:4877:59F5:C50 (talk) 19:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Please read c:Commons:Project scope, Misplaced Pages:Notability (people) and d:Wikidata:Notability. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 20:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@2402:3A80:6BD:C0B7:89EA:4877:59F5:C50: as you said They have also tried to add "Ayan Nayak" in en-wiki Brahmāstra (film) where one these reference used mentions "Ayan Mukerji" NOT "Ayan Nayak" could you please kindly check the details of the article where it clearly mentions that Ayan was their in the film. Also I am with @Liz: why you are so much concerned about the draft, where the article is supposed to be ready. And we can see by your editing habits that you are a experienced Wikipedian but it's very surprising that you don't have any account (or not revealing it). It's upto you what you think but as @Anachronist: said whenever I would find more reliable source of the actor. I will ask Liz for the refund of the draft and will improve the draft accordingly. Thankyou ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 20:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Liz:::Hii Liz, I hope you are well and safe. I know it's hard for now to restore the draft but can you provide the content of the article so that I can add a ref and some points on my personal notebook not anymore on Misplaced Pages. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 19:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, २ तकर पेप्सी,

Please give me a link to the page you are interested in. Is it alright to email it to you? Liz 19:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: yes send me email. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 19:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC) Hello I haven't received any email when I checked my mail. Where to check the email of this draft. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 22:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: waiting for you to send the draft. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 23:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, २ तकर पेप्सी,

My apologies, I lost connectivity earlier today and just got back on wi-fi a few minutes ago. No internet all day! I will get to this later today. Liz 23:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure whenever you will be free send the email of the draft. Goodnight. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 23:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, २ तकर पेप्सी,

Okay, I have emailed you that last version of that draft along with a little advice. Good luck with your content creation work. Liz 00:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable advice; will work as per your advice ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 00:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

A7 on Katie Sturino

Hi Liz -- No way do I think this is A7-able -- the book appears notable (several indept reviews) and so the article could at the very least be moved to target the book, with a note on the author being the founder of a related company. However, there does also seem to be reliable coverage of her life prior to the book. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:12, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Espresso Addict,

When I tag pages, rather than deleting them, I'm asking for a second opinion because I'm uncertain about that page, especially on questions on notability. There used to be days, years ago, when CSD patrolling admins would just delete any page that was tagged without looking at it but, fortunately, those days are long gone and so I'm glad that you examined the article and shared your opinion with me. I might move forward with an alternative deletion process, like PROD or AFD, but I can see with your explanation that speedy deletion was inappropriate for this article. Of course, if you, or any other editor, wanted to spend time improving the article that would be the better alternative. Thank you. Liz 02:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever deleted an article or draft as a single opinion (well, maybe in the case of unambiguous attack pages but I've rarely if ever tripped across one that wasn't tagged). I don't know how I'd comment in an AfD (probably retarget on notable book), but I don't think prod is appropriate as the creator is active and opposed to deletion. ETA: I doubt I'll take this one on, as it's not my field at all, but I'll tag it for the Women's projects and see if someone there wants to assist. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, after posting my comment, I thought, "I hope it doesn't sound like I'm passing the responsibility on to Espresso Addict to fix the problems with this article!" I'm just not an expert on content creation.

I'm continually impressed at editors and admins who are, even on subjects they don't care anything about! It sounded like you had some solid suggestions that maybe should go to the page creator. I don't think they'd be receptive to me, after I tagged the page for deletion. As for me, I think I'll just let this article be and not move forward with any further action. There are thousands of other articles and drafts I can spend time on. Thanks again. Liz 02:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1469 in Ireland

A tag has been placed on Category:1469 in Ireland indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Qwerfjkltalk 15:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Rename categories

Please see my proposal to speedily rename subcategories of Category:Enforced disappearances by country e.g. Category:Forced disappearances in Argentina to Category:Enforced disappearances in Argentina to align with the parent category per C2C. Hugo999 (talk) 04:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Hugo999,

I hope you are well! I don't know anything about the situation with this group of categories, just that a few became empty and were deleted. As you know, if there is a use for the categories now, they are easily restored but I don't know if a previous CFD discussion led to them becoming empty. I'll look into your request later. Liz 04:29, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

United Nations in popular culture

Regarding your decline of WP:Requests for undeletion#United Nations in popular culture and your response provided, the request was for userfication, and not undeletion. Jay (talk) 11:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

Yes, I saw that but it would not have changed my response. I'm open to restoring pages deleted through speedy deletion to User or Draft space but I've never done so with content deleted through an AFD decision unless it was a "soft delete".

But you can choose to respond to the request differently, I know that admins can disagree about requests at WP:REFUND. You can choose to respond to their request by fulfilling it but I won't. Liz 17:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, Jay, and for your additional rationale, Liz. Unfortunately I seem to be stuck in a bit of a Catch-22: you pointed me towards the closing admin to see if he'd userfy it (he told me to go ask WP:REFUND instead). But since you already told me no at REFUND and pointed me to DRV, DRV would initially seem like the place to go to. But WP:DRVPURPOSE lists, under "Deletion review should not be used", 7.to request that previously deleted content be used on other pages (please go to Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion for these requests). So you're telling me that I should go to DRV, and DRV that I should go back to you. Have you had experience with something similar happening before? Should I just ignore all the rules on this one and post at DRV anyway? Pilaz (talk) 04:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Update: the issue is currently being solved at REFUND by DGG. See: WP:Requests for undeletion#United Nations in popular culture. Pilaz (talk) 05:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Pilaz, I gave you the answer that admins give at WP:REFUND for editors who want content restored that had been deleted at an AFD decision. It wasn't a matter of the content of the article or what your intentions are. REFUND is for uncontroversial deletions and this wasn't uncontroversial. The directions say to point you to the deleting administrator and deletion review. We have a template to answer responses such as yours, it's not a matter of my discretion.

But I'm not sure about this current request as I thought DGG restored this page for you. And even though you stated you wanted this content in your User space, you moved it into Draft space so I don't think that Jay's concern was valid in your case. I think at this point, you should ask another admin for assistance, maybe Jay or DGG would be more open to helping you out. Liz 05:23, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Not an issue and I perfectly understand that my request was both unusual and coming from AfD, so following the manual was probably the right call. My personal problem was that there seemed to be no avenue to make a formal request for userification/draftification elsewhere, so I was only writing to ask for guidance on this, since I feared getting sent back from DRV to REFUND. At any rate, thank you for taking the time to reply. Now waiting for DGG to finalize the restore. (talk) 05:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Elham Al Marzooqi edits/resubmit

Hello,

I have made some edits and pulled in several new citations for Elham's wiki page. I'd like to resubmit it. Any help/advice appreciated.

thanks

-mm Mmcdonald767 (talk) 22:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mmcdonald767,

You are talking about Draft:Elham Al Marzooqi, right? It helps to provide a link to the page you are concerned about. I don't review content so I'm not experienced in giving you advice about article creation and development. We all have our areas we work in and, I'm sorry, but I don't evaluate draft articles. What I can do is restore the previous content that was deleted, if that information would be useful to you. I hope you realize that the only reason the draft was deleted because, if a draft goes six months without being edited, we consider it to be abandoned. It wasn't deleted because there were any problems with the content, there just had been no activity on the page.

If you believe it is ready, please submit it to Articles for Creation so it can be reviewed by an AFC reviewer. They are experienced in evaluating drafts and they look for particular things like reliable sources and that it obeys our copyright guidelines. They might be critical but an AFC reviewer's goal is to get the draft ready to be moved to main space. Often drafts are moved too early into main space and they are quickly deleted and a reviewer's purpose is to tell you what needs to be done so this doesn't happen to your work. Good luck! Liz 22:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thank you I am sorry about the missing link. I can see where that might be pretty handy to have. I knew the original was deleted due to the time elapsed. I was trying to gather new references and material based on previous recommendations. Having done so, I feel like it's at least comparable to some existing entries in her space. Thanks again for your help.

Mmcdonald767 (talk) 22:45, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, Mmcdonald767, so you don't need the previous content in the page history, then? My only recommendation is if the AfC reviewer declines to approve your draft, very politely go to their user talk page and ask them if they have any suggestions on how to improve the article so that it will be approved. Do not make demands, ask for their advice. Their primary job is looking at draft articles so they have seen hundreds! For example, does the page need to be copyedited so that the language is smoother or does it need one or two better sources? Some AfC reviewers are very specific and some aren't and it doesn't hurt to ask for follow-up information if the review isn't detailed enough.

And if you need help with copyediting or other issues, the Teahouse is a good place to ask for advice. I went there often when I was a new editor, they can point you in the right direction. Liz 22:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Concerns and controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics

• Concerns and controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi Liz. :) Is this article meant to be indef-ECP'd? It looks like you temp-ECP-move-protected it after a couple bad pagemoves, but indef-ECP-edit-protected it at the same time. -- Tamzin (she/they) 12:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tamzin,

Aeieii! Oh, no. This was a mistake. For some reason, "infinite" is the first choice when you protect a page when it should be the last option presented. I'm surprised that I wasn't contacted before now about this. Thank you for bringing this to my attention so I could correct it. Liz 15:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Redirects for deletions

Howdy. We'll have to wait for somebody else to come along & properly nominate the 2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election re-direct for deletion. I tried the correct way as you suggested, but found instructions too confusing & frustrating. After a full hour of trying to implement it? I walked away from it. GoodDay (talk) 01:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, GoodDay,

I guess you don't use Twinkle? Because with that editing tool, you just select XfD, put in the deletion rationale and bingo bango, the deletion proposal is posted and the page creator is notified. You don't have to search for templates to use. Twinkle makes tagging pages for deletion very easy.

If you want to state the deletion rationale here, I'll post the proposal for you. Liz 01:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

That would be great. The party didn't hold its leadership election in 2021, instead postponing it indefinitely. GoodDay (talk) 01:49, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Comment

05:28, 25 January 2022 Liz talk contribs deleted page Steven salowsky (R2: Cross-namespace redirect from mainspace) Tag: Twinkle (thank)

Salutations Liz! I must apologize, I meant to send this for submission as draft, not a post. Can you please help me in doing so or guiding me if I need more information, references? Thank you kindly! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecarguru2 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thecarguru2,

I think you are talking about Draft:Steven Salowsky and, unfortunately, I do not work on article creation and development, I have other activities on Misplaced Pages that I attend to. I see that your draft has already been reviewed so, hopefully, there is information in the AfC reviewer's comments that can assist you in improving the draft article. If the comments are unclear, you can always visit their user talk pages and ask for more clarification.

If you are looking for help and support in your editing, I recommend visiting the Teahouse where more experienced editors can address your questions and concerns. Good luck! Liz 23:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

lorry vandal

Hey Liz,

sorry for the not particulary helpful edit summary at the now deleted Carpați (truck) page. I suspect you aren't quite familiar with the "lorry vandal", which might explain your edit. Long story short: Some Greek lad (SPI) has a habit of making up vehicles – especially lorries – that never existed. He either inserts these fake vehicles as successors or predecessors into existing articles' infoboxes or sections, or creates new articles on these fake vehicles. He typically disguises his fake vehicles as vehicles from manufacturers that are not well-known among native English speakers (e.g. Carpați (truck)), so that it is not immediately obvious to most Wikipedians that his edits are utter nonsense. I have summarised the important key points at the SPI page. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 22:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Johannes,

You might be very familiar with this sockpuppetry but, as an admin who patrols CSD categories, I can't just take your word for it that an editor who is unblocked is actually a sockpuppet. I need to see confirmation by a checkuser or SPI clerk, ideally in an SPI case. I think other admins might have a different approach but I think most just steer clear of the CSD G5 category until the editor is a confirmed sockpuppet. My alternative was to not untag the page but I chose to instead.

Now that you have mentioned filing a new incident at the SPI case, I'll give that a look. All I need is a confirmation and I'll delete the page but a checkuser might take care of that once they are done. Thank you for your understanding, you are correct that I am not familiar with the behavior and editing quirks of some of the more frequent sockpuppeteers we see here. Liz 23:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey Liz, I totally understand your point of view, I wanted to apologise for my inappropriate edit comment (and explain the lorry vandal case to a minimum degree… :-) ). Either way, the page has been deleted and the sockpuppet has been blocked, so there's nothing left to do (until the next sockpuppet appears, of course). Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 23:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Johannes,

You know, there is no need to apologize but on a project like ours, it never hurts to be gracious when talking with another editor who might see things differently so thank you for that. This has been a pleasant interaction. ;-) Liz 23:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

RevDel

Can you please delete revisions 1068153973 and 1068154195 as they contain racial slurs and defamatory remarks regarding Amartya Sen? Thank you. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 22:48, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Train of Knowledge,

 Done Happy to do this. And I've blocked the editor. Glad I was around to see to this. Liz 22:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

And maybe block the /64, for a few months at least? They've been at this for over a year. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:54, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Suffusion of Yellow,

Thank you for that link. I gave them a 3 month block but this is only the 2nd or 3rd range block I've done so if there are any admin talk page stalkers who could double-check my work, that would be appreciated. Liz 22:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Owen michael hawes

It is gibberish or just vandalism that the initial edit has this edit summary "he is a 12 year old stronger than the rock i love him:" Matthew hk (talk) 10:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Matthew hk,

I usually evaluate an article or draft based on what is written on the page, not an edit summary, unless it violates BLP or is a personal attack. The page could probably be tagged for speedy deletion as a test edit since it is blank. I'll look at it again as well as the editor's other work. Liz 16:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I expect a fair approach from you, Miss Liz.

Good evening, I wanted to talk to you about something.  It's about this guy @Kevo327  this guy spamming my articles for no reason and quickly deleting my articles.  Although I objected that it should not be deleted, no one has responded to me so far and nothing has been done about it.  The deleted articles are not only my articles, this guy also deletes the articles of different Azerbaijani admins by doing a quick deletion and specifically targets the articles of Azerbaijani admins.  He is ethnically Armenian and it is clear that he does this from ethnic nationalism.  Was warned once by another admin @Bbb23.  However, he is still doing the same thing and I expect a fair result from you on this issue. Because of this man, my 2 articles that I wrote without any justification were deleted.  I am sure that you will approach this matter with justice, thank you.

My articles deleted by @kevo327 : Nacaf Şarifi Irevani Huseyn Ali Khan (Khan of Quba) Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 15:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aydın memmedov2000,

I'm looking into this and trying to sort things out. Have you ever edited with another account? Liz 16:06, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I have different accounts on wikipedia, but I do not use them. This is the only account where I write and edit articles. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 16:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, if they are accounts you used in the past and abandoned, that is one thing, if you currently have alternate accounts you use, you must list them on your User page. But the reason I ask is that one of these articles was deleted on the grounds that you are a sockpuppet of a blocked editor so I'm trying to find out why you were identified as this. If you are evading a ban or block, then this conversation will soon be over, if not, I need to see how this mistake happened. Liz 16:15, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm new to writing articles and sometimes I get banned when I make a mistake. When I'm banned, I admit my mistakes and I don't run away from my mistakes. but my deleted articles were definitely deleted unfairly, so it has nothing to do with my ban. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 16:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Aydın memmedov2000 neglects to mention that they were topic banned by the community (WP:AA2), which they basically just ignored (all of the above are a violation), and continue to, even after being blocked for it. I've now blocked them indef since I see no indication they'll respect the community's will or appeal the ban properly. I can only explain the same thing so many times. El_C 00:17, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, El C,

Thanks for the missing piece to this puzzle. I saw a mention of an editing restriction in the block log and was surprised, since they are such a new editor. I don't see anything at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration enforcement log#Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 or Misplaced Pages:Editing restrictions, am I looking in the wrong place? I have never imposed any kind of editing sanctions on an editor so I'm a little out of the loop on where they are all logged. Thanks, El C. Liz 00:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see it mentioned at User_talk:Aydın memmedov2000#Topic ban, that should have been the first place I looked. But it also should be in the AA log, right? Liz 00:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

AA? Are you calling me an alcoholic?! Shame! Hold on, let me just finish this drink. Ah, that's better. Anyyyyway, logged at Misplaced Pages:Editing_restrictions#Aydın_memmedov2000. El_C 00:38, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see, thanks for the link. Talking about alcohol, it's almost 5 o'clock here, time for a glass of wine. Just one. ;-) Liz 00:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Jacques Guy

Could you please restore pending a discussion of the merits? I received no notice that this article was up for deletion. (I had my watch list blanked as I had over 20,000 articles on it and couldn't keep track of anything anymore, so I'd need direct notification.) The proposer for deletion has been pushing pseudoscience (e.g. that a linguist is not a RS for linguistics because he hasn't interviewed any angels) and is trying to team up with another editor pushing pseudoscience (e.g. that people in the southern hemisphere write upside-down) -- he's proposed an exchange where each defends the other's edits against those who insist on following policy, and has been chastised several times by admin for inappropriate behaviour. In this case, the Jacques Guy article ties in to the article (decipherment of rongorongo) that the other editor has been trying to change against consensus for several years now. Seems to be part of a strategy to get all RS's removed so that all that's left is the pseudoscience. — kwami (talk) 20:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, kwami,

As a contested Proposed Deletion, I have restored Jacques Guy. It can always be nominated for deletion in an AFD discussion but it can not be PROD'd again. Liz 00:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! — kwami (talk) 00:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I didn't address your larger question, kwami, I'd recommend starting a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Fringe theories/Noticeboard if you feel like an editor's point-of-view is affecting article quality. That seems to be a place where pseudoscience matters are discussed. Liz 00:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been procrastinating doing that, but probably should. — kwami (talk) 00:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Vietnamese immigration to Mexico

I would like to say why do you want to delete my article so bad like someone already tried deleting it by using this template again instead of deleting my first article would you mind helping like what is this? —MrStephenLeon (talk) 02:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MrStephenLeon,

I read what you wrote but I'm not sure what you are asking me to do. It would help if you provided a link to the page you are discussing. I see hundreds, maybe thousands, of pages every day. Liz 03:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Look Here!, I read many articles a day that's why I made this article but the main thing is that I got all this information in the version of Indonesian (Language), I've been trying to find a site that mentions all of this but I can't find any. Also, when I use the cites I wouldn't be able to use it it would count as either vandalism or whateva or as a fail i don't know why but i see many users trying to delete this article for some reason so why??? MrStephenLeon (talk) 03:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I can't help you if you won't provide me with a link to the page you are concerned with. If you are just going to rant, I'd log off Misplaced Pages until you calm down and have a conversation without being in such distress. I'm going to get back to my work. Liz 03:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MrStephenLeon,

Okay, I think I have figured out what this is all about. Vietnamese immigration to Mexico has been tagged for an AFD deletion discussion, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vietnamese immigration to Mexico. To be honest, the first AFD discussion was closed improperly by an inexperienced editor who should not have done this, so a second AFD is justified. You tried removing the AFD tag from the article, which is not allowed while the discussion is ongoing and so I reverted your edit to replace the tag.

That is all I did. I have not proposed your article for deletion, I have not participated in the deletion discussion, I'm not sure why you are venting your disappointment at me. Your best move here is to a) read over the reasons why the article has been proposed for deletion, b) improve the article to make up for any problems that were raised at the AFD, and c) go to the AFD discussion and argue why this article should be kept. There are steps you can take to see that this article isn't deleted, take them! Good luck with your efforts! Liz 04:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Article Deletion Discussion

Hello my name is Satish and I have written an article and the name of the article is siddhant Ghegadmal (Actor) I have put many references in that article but wikipedia editor repeatedly puts templates to remove that article lest that article Do not be removed, I made this article with great effort, please make this article better and not delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBG90 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SBG90,

You have been blocked as a sockpuppet but in case you see this, please stop trying to get an article about yourself on to Misplaced Pages. You will not be successful. Better to focus on making yourself truly notable out in the world than creating multiple accounts and trying to compose an autobiography here. But don't worry, very few editors on Misplaced Pages have an article about themselves on the project so you are in very good company. Focus on doing the work, not getting the publicity. Liz 20:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Proposed of Deletion of Article Mirnaa Menon

Hi Brother,

I got a message on my talkpage stating that the article I created was proposed for deletion. I have added the sources which are reliable to wikipedia policies. I didn't add any misleading information in the article. May I know what is the problem in the article. It will help me to improve myself and correct the mistake I done.Paavamjinn (talk) 20:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Paavamjinn,

If you look at the edit that included the PROD tag, you can see the reason I put for the Proposed deletion. There was a draft version of this article, Draft:Mirnaa, that had gotten declined by Articles for Creation reviewers multiple times, the page had been moved to main space and back and I thought that your article was this same draft that had gotten placed, once again, in main space.

But although some of the same editors have worked on both the draft version and the article you have created, and much of the content is the same, I was incorrect about this tagging and Phil Bridger rightly contested the deletion and removed the PROD tag. This was not the same article. I should say that these days, I primarily work with stale draft articles and I see quite a few editors whose drafts are declined several times by AFC reviewers and instead of fixing the article and improving it, they cut & paste the last version of it into a page in the main space of the project. So, this is what I assumed had happened but I was very wrong. I'm sure that there is room for improvement with the article, almost every article on Misplaced Pages can be improved, but my reason for tagging this page for deletion was incorrect and I apologize if it caused you any stress.

If it is any comfort, know that articles can only be PROD'd once so you don't have to worry about it being proposed for deletion through PROD again. I hope this answers your questions. Liz 20:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm really a sister, not a brother, just in case we continue to communicate, I thought I'd make that clear. Yes, there are some female editors on Misplaced Pages. ;-) Liz 20:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

So the article has no problem right. I created the article with maximum details I can obtain from the various sources. Thanks for the valuable information sister. Paavamjinn (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Possible copyvio at Jagadish Chandra Bose

Hi Liz. Would you be able to determine if these edits are copyvio (and revert-revert in the next couple of edits). (Related to the on going Karna disruption.) Thanks! — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 12:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DaxServer,

I'm not an expert on evaluating content but I think you are right here. Another editor already removed the content and I deleted the revisions. Thank you for detecting this problem. Liz 17:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Liz! — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 18:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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in friendship

January songs

in friendship

2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 23 January - click on songs. - Thank you for the appreciation on Jerome Kohl's talk, - it's overwhelming what that user alone did in the field of contemporary classical music, with expertise recognized worldwide! I am in the process of translating two of his articles into German, - tough ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gerda Arendt,

I was not familiar with this editor but I look at a lot of page histories every day and when I see an editor who looks like they are a productive contributor but their name comes up as being blocked, I like to look into the circumstances of what happened. I guess blocking an account is the standard procedure now when it is confirmed that an editor is deceased. About a month or so ago, I had the same discovery looking into the situation with Possibly. Although it is always sad to read this kind of news, I see even more instances where an editor was busy editing every day and then, poof! they just disappear...no retirement notice, no sign of what has happened. I think it's better to know bad news than to wonder whether someone just got busy with their off-line life or whether they are no longer with us.

That reminds me, I should ask my family to come on to my user page and post a notice should I pass away. I don't think they even know my username! Stay well, Liz 22:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Jerome was the fourth editor I encountered after I joined in 2009, and he told me that what a reliable source said was wrong ;) - Never let he make me feel inferior although he was one of top experts in his field - that's great. - The Rambling Man, - did you notice? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted.

Hi Liz, I'd like to work on a new draft (Draft:Jackpocket) and am seeing that there is a G13-deleted draft on the same topic. What is the protocol here? Should I make a request for draft undeletion or is it ok to start a new draft? You were the user who originally made the deletion so wanted to check with you. Thank you so much! --StrangeChemistry489 (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, StrangeChemistry489,

Actually, draft pages that were deleted purely for being "stale" (that is, abandoned) via speedy deletion G13 can be restored upon request. So, I can restore this page for you if you want or you could start "fresh" if you would like to be seen as the page creator. Looking at the deleted page, which I can do with my admin-goggles, there are a lot of references but the draft was declined as it was believed to be the result of paid editing and looked like an advertisement. It's not illegal to be a paid editor but, if you are one, you need to follow the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure. Failure to disclose that you are a paid editor can result in a loss of editing privileges so it is always best to be upfront about your situation.

Let me know if you would like this draft restored. Liz 22:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, this explanation is very helpful. No need to restore this page, I will start a fresh draft. Thanks, again! StrangeChemistry489 (talk) 21:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Category:Clean-up categories from 2003 has been nominated for deletion

Category:Clean-up categories from 2003 has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, January 2022

Bots Newsletter, January 2022

Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. Updates on reimplementing the Graph extension, which will be known as the Chart extension, can be found on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org. BRFA activity by month Welcome to the ninth issue of the English Misplaced Pages's Bots Newsletter, your source for all things bot. Vicious bot-on-bot edit warring... superseded tasks... policy proposals... these stories, and more, are brought to you by Misplaced Pages's most distinguished newsletter about bots. After a long hiatus between August 2019 and December 2021, there's quite a bit of ground to cover. Due to the vastness, I decided in December to split the coverage up into a few installments that covered six months each. Some people thought this was a good idea, since covering an entire year in a single issue would make it unmanageably large. Others thought this was stupid, since they were getting talk page messages about crap from almost three years ago. Ultimately, the question of whether each issue covers six months or a year is only relevant for a couple more of them, and then the problem will be behind us forever. Of course, you can also look on the bright side – we are making progress, and this issue will only be about crap from almost two years ago. Today we will pick up where we left off in December, and go through the first half of 2020. Overall In the first half of 2020, there were 71 BRFAs. Of these, Y 59 were approved, and 12 were unsuccessful (with N2 8 denied, ? 2 withdrawn, and 2 expired). January 2020 Yeah, you're not gonna be able to get away with this anymore. Y ST47Bot, Seppi333Bot, Qbugbot 4 · N2 PkbwcgsBot 25, PkbwcgsBot 26 A new Pywikibot release dropped support for Python 3.4, and it was expected that support for Python 2.7 would be removed in coming updates. Toolforge itself planned to drop Python 2 support in 2022. Two new bots dropped in January 2020: ST47Bot, the successor to STBot, and Seppi333Bot, whose task was to perform a weekly update of four "massive" wikitables for WikiProject Molecular Biology. Cydebot, an adminbot operated by Cyde since 2006, was blocked after going berserk on categories that hadn't yet been CfD'd. February 2020 Y AnomieBOT 78, Cewbot 2, DannyS712 bot 67, DannyS712 bot III 63, PearBOT 6, DemonDays64 Bot 2 · N2 PearBOT On February 1, some concerns were raised about ListeriaBot performing "nonsense" edits. Semi-active operator Magnus Manske (who originally coded the Phase II software|precursor of MediaWiki) was pinged. Meanwhile, the bot was temporarily blocked for several hours until the issue was diagnosed and resolved. On February 18, ST47Bot got into a tussle with Amalthea (bot), and had to be partially-blocked from Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Cases/Overview. March 2020 Y MajavahBot, SDZeroBot, TheSandBot 6, TheSandBot 7, Bitbotje, FACBot 6, TheSandBot 8, Qbugbot 5, Cewbot 3, SDZeroBot 2, PrimeBOT 31, WikiCleanerBot 12 · AntiCompositeBot In March, a long discussion was started at Misplaced Pages talk:Bot policy by Skdb about the troubling trend of bots "expiring" without explanation after their owners became inactive. This can happen for a variety of reasons -- API changes break code, hosting providers' software updates break code, hosting accounts lapse, software changes make bots' edits unnecessary, and policy changes make bots' edits unwanted. The most promising solution seemed to be Toolforge hosting (although it has some problems of its own, like the occasional necessity of refactoring code). Some of the twelve bot tasks approved this month were TheSandBot 6 (removing blocked users from Category:Misplaced Pages usernames with possible policy issues), and TheSandBot 7 (removing unblocked users from Category:Wikipedians who are indefinitely blocked for promotional user names). SDZeroBot 2 was approved to refine geographic stub tags. New bots approved this month were MajavahBot (to patrol WP:EFFPR), SDZeroBot (to merge stub tags), and Bitbotje (fixing DISPLAYTITLE modifications, DEFAULTSORT errors and broken behavior switches in draftspace). April 2020 Y TheSandBot 9, BHGbot 5, DannyS712 bot 69, SDZeroBot 3, ST47ProxyBot, WugBot 4, SDZeroBot 4, DatBot 10, WikiCleanerBot 11, WikiCleanerBot 13, WikiCleanerBot 14, AntiCompositeBot 2, Cewbot 4 · N2 DaedanBot 1 · Creffbot A discussion on the bot noticeboard, "Re-examination of ListeriaBot", was started by Barkeep49, who pointed out repeated operation outside the scope of its BRFA (i.e. editing pages in mainspace, and adding non-free images to others). Some said it was doing good work, and others said it was operating beyond its remit. It was blocked on April 10; the next day it was unblocked, reblocked from article space, reblocked "for specified non-editing actions", unblocked, and indeffed. The next week, several safeguards were implemented in its code by Magnus; the bot was allowed to roam free once more on April 18. ST47ProxyBot joined the stable in April, after a BRFA started in December was finally completed. As an adminbot, it was authorized to block IP addresses belonging to open proxies, public VPN services, and web hosts. New tasks approved for existing bots included BHGbot 5 (diffusing categories), TheSandBot 9 (taking over some tasks from the inactive RonBot), and WugBot 4 (updating data at {{Interactive COVID-19 maps}}). Also, DatBot 10 was approved to scale down non-free SVGs — I didn't even know that was a thing. A discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Bot policy was started by Thryduulf about whether WP:BOTCOMM should explicitly specify that bot operators must be responsive to concerns raised on English Misplaced Pages specifically (as opposed to Phabricator, SourceForge, Toolforge, et cetera). Eventually, the policy was amended to its current form: Issues and enquiries are typically expected to be handled on the English Misplaced Pages. Pages reachable via unified login, like a talk page at Commons or at Italian Misplaced Pages could also be acceptable External sites like Phabricator or GitHub (which require separate registration or do not allow for IP comments) and email (which can compromise anonymity) can supplement on-wiki communication, but do not replace it. May 2020 Y MajavahBot 3, DannyS712 bot 70, CitationCleanerBot 5, Dreamy Jazz Bot 4, QEDKbot, William Avery Bot 2, DannyS712 bot 68, PrimeBOT 32, TheSandBot 10, Bot1058 7, BHGbot 6, EaglesBot 2, Cewbot 5, WikiCleanerBot 17 · N2 MDanielsBot, PhuzBot 3, Gedimon · ? PearBOT 7 MajavahBot 3, an impressively meta bot task, was approved this month for maintaining a list of bots running on the English Misplaced Pages. The page, located at User:MajavahBot/Bot status report, is updated every 24 hours; it contains a list of all accounts with the bot flag, as well as their operator, edit count, last activity date, last edit date, last logged action date, user groups and block status. Other approvals for this month were William Avery Bot 2 (processing redirects in {{R from scientific name}}), DannyS712 bot 68 (allowing users to schedule bot reminders for themselves), TheSandBot 10 (removing blocked/locked users from Category:User talk pages with conflict of interest notices), Bot1058 7 (updating Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Technical requests/Permalink), Dreamy Jazz Bot 4 (adding {{WikiProject Biography|living=no}} to talk pages where their associated article is in a year of death category), and QEDKbot (deleting and nominating empty categories). General syntax fixing tasks were approved for DannyS712 bot 70, CitationCleanerBot 5, PrimeBOT 32, BHGbot 6, Cewbot 5, and EaglesBot 2, as well as WikiCleanerBot 15, 16, and 17. Seven bots who fell below activity requirements (with neither the bots nor their operators having any edits or logged actions in two years) had their bot flags removed. They were NekoBot, Robert SkyBot, DASHBotAV, VoxelBot, JackieBot, ReferenceBot, and CensusBot. On May 12, EmausBot was blocked. June 2020 Y QEDKbot 2, AnomieBOT 79, WOSlinkerBot 6, Yapperbot 2, Yapperbot, AnomieBOT 80, Dreamy Jazz Bot 5, WikiCleanerBot 18, HasteurBot 15, MusikBot II 4, NoSandboxesHere · N2 RedWarn · ? Seppi333Bot 2 In July 2017, Headbomb made a proposal that a section of the Misplaced Pages:Dashboard be devoted to bots and technical issues. In November 2019, Lua code was written superseding Legobot's tasks on that page, and operator Legoktm was asked to stop them so that the new code could be deployed. After no response to pings, a partial-block of Legobot for the dashboard was proposed. Some months later, on June 16, Headbomb said: "A full block serves nothing. A partial block solves all current issues Just fucking do it. It's been 3 years now." The next day, however, Legoktm disabled the task, and the dashboard was successfully refactored. On June 7, RexxS blocked Citation bot for disruptive editing, saying it was "still removing links after request to stop". A couple weeks later, a discussion on the bots noticeboard was opened, saying "it is a widely-used and useful bot, but it has one of the longest block logs for any recently-operating bot on Misplaced Pages". While its last BRFA approval was in 2011, its code and functionality had changed dramatically since then, and AntiCompositeNumber requested that BAG require a new BRFA. Maintainer AManWithNoPlan responded that most blocks were from years ago (when it lacked a proper test suite), and problems since then had mostly been one-off errors (like a June 2019 incident in which a LTA had "weaponized" the bot to harass editors). David Tornheim opened a discussion about whether bots based on closed-source code should be permitted, and proposed that they not. He cited a recent case in which a maintainer had said "I can only suppose that the code that is available on GitHub is not the actual code that was running on ". Some disagreed: Naypta said that "I like free software as much as the next person, and I strongly believe that bot operators should make their bot code public, but I don't think it should be that they must do so". Two new bots had their first BRFAs approved: Yapperbot, to replace Legobot for handling the Feedback Request Service, and NoSandboxesHere, to remove {{user sandbox}} from articles in draftspace using Category:Non-userspace pages using User sandbox. Conclusion What's next for our intrepid band of coders, maintainers and approvers? Will Citation bot ever be set free to roam the project? What's the deal with all those book links that InternetArchiveBot is adding to articles? Should we keep using Gerrit for MediaWiki? What if we had a day for bots to make cosmetic edits? These questions will be answered — and new questions raised — by the February 2022 Bots Newsletter. Tune in, or miss out! Signing off... jp×g 23:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC) (You can subscribe or unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding or removing your name from this list.)

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Misunderstanding

Hi Liz. I think there is a misunderstanding because my edit summaries said CSD instead of CFD. That was a typo that I copied to all three edit summaries. These {{db-xfd}} tags were placed as a result of a closed CFD discussion. Due to the high backlog at CFD non-admins (in my case former admin) are being employed to close discussions even when the result is delete or merge. I closed one discussion and am waiting to see how it works out before I close any more. I am new to the process, though I carefully read all the instructions. Jehochman 19:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jehochman,

I just posted a message about this on your talk page. The category has to be emptied prior to deletion and we typically use a bot for that although you can take on the job if you want to spend the time. Alternatively, you could revert my tag removal and see if another admin wants has a different interpretation, I don't take things like this personally. Liz 19:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I think you are right that I forgot a step. I'm going to get the bot to empty the categories and then I will tag them again. Jehochman 19:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The denouement: I spoke with Tavix, who is the master of XfD, and we decided to relist these categories and ping the prior RFC participants who had not opined yet. Hopefully this will generate a consensus. Thank you for your help. Jehochman 02:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Sounds great, thank you, Jehochman. CFD is kind of complicated, many admins who close deletion discussions steer clear of it which is how it gets so backlogged. Liz 02:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Re:Draft:Collar (group)

What I mean is the draft is done, and what I wrote in the draft had been moved to the main space. Hence, I requested for the speedy deletion of the draft page.--Billytanghh (talk) 01:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Billytanghh,

Oh, that's different, it's not a move page request. I'll take care of it. Thanks for the response. Liz 01:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

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• The Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines have been published for consideration. Voting to ratify this guideline is planned to take place 7 March to 21 March. Comments can be made on the talk page.

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• The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
• The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

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• Community input is requested on several motions aimed at addressing discretionary sanctions that are no longer needed or overly broad.
• The Arbitration Committee has published a generalised comment regarding successful appeals of sanctions that it can review (such as checkuser blocks).
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RfD closing

Regarding the tool asking to put a notice at the talk, it is fine. It just puts a one line summary of the RfD and the close, such as in Talk:Giggle water. Jay (talk) 09:08, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Jay: I think in this case the issue was that the talkpage itself was part of the same 2-in-1 RfD. I assume the best approach then is to decline the talkpage tagging and then manually add the template below the talkpage redirect? -- Tamzin (she/they) 09:16, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I'll look into this, thank for the advice and feedback. In a recent case I closed, the page had been moved to a different title during an AfD so when I tried to close it, I got a message saying the page was a redirect, which it now was. I had to change the title in the AfD to close it properly. But before, this was an issue with the talk page. Liz 16:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

2603:9008:2400:1900:18C2:9B27:9D62:A46 block

You need to block the /64 as that's how IPv6 works.... 2603:9008:2400:1900:0:0:0:0/64 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) wizzito | say hello! 04:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wizzito,

Thanks for providing that link. This is only the 3rd or 4th range block I've done over six years as an administrator. Their last block was 3 months long so I've doubled this one. Thanks. Liz 04:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Unnecessary snark, Liz.

At that now deleted article talk page. That said, please feel free to do necessary snark pretty much anywhere here. Peete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shirt58,

I try not to be snarky, Shirt58, but it can happen at the end of a long day of editing or if it concerns an frustrating, ongoing situation. It would help if you pointed out what page you are referring to so I can see what you object to so I can avoid it in the future. I work on quite a lot of pages over the course of a day and I don't know which one you are talking about. My apologies though if I said something offensive to you or another editor. Liz 17:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shirt58,

I'm still in the dark on where I was unnecessarily snarky so I can't see what mistake I made. I see deleted article, draft and talk pages all day long so nothing stands out in my memory. Liz 05:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

My apologies for both the - in retrospect, quite inappropriate - comment and for this belated reply. ("Belated" here is a used in an unusual sense, I guess - it was only one day ago. Your talk page is so busy I can hardly keep up with it.) You wrote nothing that would come anywhere close to offensive. I had a particularly good day at work and was feeling rather ebullient. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

LMBO

Hi! Didn't LMBO use to be a Wiktionary redirect? – Uanfala (talk) 13:46, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Uanfala,

It was a disambiguation page that didn't link to any existing article on Misplaced Pages and it was tagged for deletion by an administrator whose judgment I trust. But I'll look into the page history. Liz 17:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Erm..... have you had the chance yet? – Uanfala (talk) 01:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand why whenever I ask you about one of your G14 deletions, you always find something apparently more interesting to do and leave me having to go to the noticeboards instead. So, let's waste the community's time for a week: Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2022 February 5#LMBO. – Uanfala (talk) 01:57, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Uanfala,

I'm sorry, I was out of the house, helping family, for most of the day and I have some regular responsibilities on Misplaced Pages that I attended to when I got home. I'll just restore this page, you needn't go to a noticeboard. I'm not forcing you to do anything. Liz 02:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I am genuinely confused

After this request, this discussion, and this discussion, I am genuinely confused as to why you still find it necessary to ask AFC reviewers to go outside our normal procedures just because a draft isn't 100% exactly ready for mainspace and you don't want to move it after deleting the page. As has been said multiple times throughout these discussions, you do not have to move the page after deletion. The page deletion is a technical barrier in the way of the draft reviewer, so all that is necessary is for the page to be deleted. Primefac (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Primefac,

Maybe it's me, but I won't delete a page in advance of a possible page move without seeing the page that is going to be moved over and see that it is in good enough condition to be in the main space. And I can't be alone in this because incomplete page deletion/move requests like this typically sit for a long time in CSD folders without an admin acting on the request. I'm clearly not the first admin who has looked at them because by the time I get to them they are often hours old. I didn't realize that this was an unreasonable expectation to have but the discussions you link to show that this has been discussed before.

The only resolution I can see is for me also to pass on acting on these requests. I'm not going to delete a main space page (usually a redirect) if I can't see, in advance, that what is going to replace it is an improvement over what currently exists. And some of these deletion requests don't even link to a draft page where I can see what is going to be moved or, as I said at WT:AFC, the draft is in bad shape and not ready for main space. Honestly, I think it is premature to ask for a main space page deletion if an AFC reviewer hasn't even finished their draft review yet and there is a tag that the review is still in process. I wasn't saying that these draft aren't 100% ready and perfect, I'm saying in some of the pages I see that half the page is full of AFC tags and comments, should a page like this be visible in main space? How do I know that an AFC reviewer will clean it up once it has been moved to main space if they didn't take the time to clean it up before asking for a page deletion/move?

But clearly you disagree with me so I'll just pass on acting on these requests and let some other admin handle them. I'll stop my lectures and let another admin worry about it. Liz 17:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Агснινе

Тоо Вιg. Прроо (таlк) 00:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Пот fιпιsнеδ таιк. Пеνег Мιпδ. Прроо (таιк) 01:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Прроо

Did you have a question? Or just saying "Hello"?

You seem to be more familiar with Misplaced Pages than most brand new editors, have you had an account here before? Liz 01:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of the page List of Punjabi films of the 2020s

Hi Liz. While planning to create the page, I found that it had been created previously before but was deleted. I was directed to contact you first before proceeding further as you were the one who deleted it. So I wanted to ask why was the page deleted before and if it's too early to create such a page as it's 2022 now? Plus do I have to create a draft version of this page first or can I create the page directly? Danishjaveed (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Danishjaveed,

No problem at all. List of Punjabi films of the 2020s was a redirect page, that is, a page that only contains a link to another page. We often create redirects with a variety of spellings or alternative names that all point to the actual article. This redirect had a link to List of Punjabi Films of 2020. Now, that page was moved by an admin to Draft:List of Punjabi Films of 2020. And THAT page was deleted as a stale draft, as a CSD G13. Those pages can be restored upon request.

When I looked at the deleted edits, it looks like this draft had lists of Punjabi films for January 2020, February 2020 and March 2020 but was later abandoned by the editor before it was finished. Would you like to see it?

You don't have to use Draft space but the problem with putting a new article directly into main space is that they are subject to review and speedy deletion if they don't meet Misplaced Pages's standards for completeness and adequate sourcing or are seen as advertising. Draft space or User space, like your Sandbox, is a safer space to create and develop articles over time where they won't be so carefully scrutinized. And if you submit your drafts to Articles for Creation, a reviewer can point out potential problems with your draft which you can fix. But it's your decision. Whichever you choose, I'd keep a copy of your writing elsewhere, it is frustrating to work on an article, only to have it deleted and not have a backup copy. Liz 01:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

The page seems to be replaced by List of Punjabi films of 2020 so no need. Anyways. Thanks for the information and the help :) Danishjaveed (talk) 01:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

That's odd, I wonder why they just did three months out of the year. I guess they lost interest. Liz 01:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm...maybe no Punjabi films (Indian) were made in 2020 after March. Because of COVID perhaps. Danishjaveed (talk) 01:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh, of course, how could I forget about the effect of COVID?! Thanks, Danishjaveed. Liz 01:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Help

I earlier proposed Mohit Sharma (Delhi cricketer) for deletion but my proposal got reverted by the page creator and later by you. Now, I have made out that there were some problems in it but am unable to figure out what actually it was. So, please tell me how I can get rid of the prob.

Hello, someone,

First, you need to sign your talk page comments. I don't know who I'm talking to.

Second, if you look at the page history of Mohit Sharma (Delhi cricketer), it doesn't indicate that it has ever been tagged for any kind of deletion. I have never edited that page so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I saw you gave a PROD notice to Lugnuts but you never tagged the page or provided a reason why the page should be deleted.

Next, if you are going to tag pages for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/TFD/etc.), you need to start using Twinkle to tag pages. If you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator", then Twinkle will post talk page notices for you and see that your tagging is done properly. It will even keep logs of all of the pages you have tagged for any kind of deletion.

Finally, anyone can remove a PROD tag for any reason, the page creator, someone who doesn't know anything about cricket, anyone, PROD is for uncontroversial deletions so if anyone takes exception to the deletion, they can remove the tag.

If you ever have specific questions about using Twinkle, page deletion, or general editing on Misplaced Pages, please bring them to the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you answers and support.

But remember, always sign your talk page posts or you will always be a newbie here. Liz 05:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I was unable to sign my comment due to some unavoidable circumstanced. Anyway, I have cited the reason "This article belongs to a cricketer, who forget donning the jersey of Men in Blue, has infrequently played for his domestic side, not even performed in IPL.", which you may not have noticed yet, but you are right, the article in question was never asked for deletion before. My proposal is the first and only one. So, please tell me how I shall submit my proposal. Gracias Michri michri (talk) 17:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Michri michri,

Did you actually read my message? I advised you to learn how to use Twinkle, an editing tool many Misplaced Pages editors, especially new page patrollers and administrators, use. It will help you tag pages without any problems and is very easy to use. Liz 04:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

That's all, gracias. Michri michri (talk) 10:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Global Block Request

Please block this IP range https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User:2402:3A80:1C46:D09C:3926:B13B:5ADE:6A75 117.226.227.26 (talk) 11:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 117.226.227.26,

Editor 2402:3A80:1C46:D09C:3926:B13B:5ADE:6A75 is a very assertive editor, and obviously not a new editor, but I don't see that they are doing any vandalism or blockable behavior. I'm also not experienced with doing range blocks so please get back to me if you see anything like personal attacks or if you believe this is a regular editor, editing logged out. Thank you. Liz 04:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I am Itcouldbepossible. This IP user who has written on your talk page is actually User:Blogs19 an LTA user. I can say this strongly because he uses the 117.226 IP range. For reference you can see this. And there is also a reason behind which this IP is complaining against him. The IP who is complaining had created many sockpuppet accounts, and had posted requests on my talk page to move their promotional draft to mainspace. Please refer to User talk:Itcouldbepossible#Article and also subsequent conversations on my talk page. I cannot link them as they have the same header and are creating problem. I did not know about this in the beginning. Then the IP 2402:3A80 said that IP is actually a sock of an LTA user. So I did not fall for their trap. And that is where they are probably getting angry, that the said IP is warning users before hand that the IP is actually a sock. The IP had started many cases at SPI which turned out that they were actually Blogs 19. So now you see the reason behind seeking a global block request of their enemy. You may also want to refer to the SPI case of Blogs19.And you are right. The IP is not a new editor. He says that he has been editing Misplaced Pages anonymously for 9 years and would continue to do so.

PS: Oh, I forgot something. You might not understand what is meant by Dada Amake Ektu help korun Amar ekta Article Kore din. Well the IP was begging me to help him create an article. Thats the translation. It is actually Bengali. Well, if you don't believe me, then I am also pinging Shinnosuke15 so that he can translate the same. He understands bengali as well. I hope he translates the same. Regards. Itcouldbepossible 09:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: Hey, See this IP unknowingly removing cast from Article.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User:2402:3A80:1C46:7BFB:9503:1856:4375:C868

@Liz: Hey, See this also IP unknowingly removed cast from this Article.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/1069844585

The Bengali text written using English alphabet means that "Brother please help me. Create an article for me". The ip is spamming a minor actor in Indian Bengali TV shows and also trying to create article about him. Shinnosuke15, 10:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Shinnosuke15 Or his favourite actor Asim Riaz.Itcouldbepossible 10:12, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

NOTHERE block?

JaysonVera (talk · contribs) is still trying to get their nonsense draft into mainspace. I think an indef would be appropriate. – .O. 14:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I also think it might be worth looking at Pardeep Bastola and Arunfromearth. All three accounts have messed around with page moves in the same manner and all have vandalised Category:Redirects from moves. – .O. 15:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Squared.Circle.Boxing,

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into this and see if action is called for. I appreciate it. JaysonVera is on very thin ice and I doubt that when their block ends they can move on from writing about themselves. But I like to give new editors a second chance to "get" Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Liz 04:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Nmixx redirect

It's not a banned user but is a blocked user. So does what you said still apply? 52-whalien (talk) 23:04, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 52-whalien,

CSD G5 is commonly misunderstood. There has to be a blocked editor, Editor A. Then they create a sockpuppet account AFTER they have been blocked, Editor B. Any pages that Editor B has created, which have no substantial edits from other editors, can be tagged for CSD G5 deletion. But G5 is actually for ban evasion, not just for being blocked or for having multiple accounts. The sockpuppet master has to have been blocked before the pages were created to be deleted under this criteria. But if you look at my user talk page, you'll find lots of discussions about G5 because it's a tricky criteria to use, you have to know the blocking dates and account creation dates of both the sockmaster and the sockpuppet to determine if pages are eligible. And, sometimes checkusers don't even identify the sockmaster which means you can't apply it at all! I hope that helps explain things a bit more clearly. Liz 04:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you give me some advice?

I removed a picture of Jennifer Lawrence from the infobox of the RepresentUs page. That became a whole discussion about pictures, but that's not what the problem is. Before Tomwsulcer started editing that page, there was one mention of Jennifer Lawrence. Now there are at least ten. It seems *way* over the top to me and just a little creepy, but I'm not sure what to do about it if anything. Is there some way to get articles reviewed or something like that? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Polycarpa aurata: What exactly is the problem with the article mentioning Jennifer Lawrence? ––FormalDude talk 00:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC) (talk page watcher)

There's no problem with *mentioning* Jennifer Lawrence. She's on the board of the organization. What I don't understand is why she would be mentioned so many times. More times than the founder and Executive Chairman. It's strange. The whole page is strange, actually. The talk page shows that there were paid editors working on it so that might be why it reads like it was written by RepresentUs and Jennifer Lawrence's PR team. How do pages like this get reviewed? Polycarpa aurata (talk) 03:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Polycarpa aurata,

IF you have questions about editing on Misplaced Pages or Misplaced Pages policies, I recommend taking them to the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you advice and support. I'm generally a nice & helpful person but you brought a complaint about a decision I made to Deletion Review case which was an unpleasant experience I try to avoid. I don't feel like helping you out unless you have a question about an edit or administrative decision I made. In those cases, I'm bound by WP:ADMINACCT to respond.

But, hey, there are plenty of great people here, like

I admit that I am a bit taken aback by this response since you wished me well on my talk page, but I respect your feelings and I will look for help somewhere else or just drop it entirely. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 04:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Request for Unprotection and Help with Submission

Hey Liz, I contacted explicit and he or she told me that I should contact you since you were supposedly the one that protected the article "Sayed Noorullah Jalili". I have drafted an article for this page but I can not make any edits since it's protected because of previous spam. I would like to request your assistance in reviewing the article to see if it is ready to be published and unprotecting the page. Thank you in advance for your assistance, — Preceding unsigned comment added by COEUS1 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, COEUS1,

Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I don't see a draft of Sayed Noorullah Jalili in your contributions, so I can't look at your article. At this point, you would need to keep it on a User page like your Sandbox or a page like User:COEUS1/Sayed Noorullah Jalili.

Secondly, this article was deleted in an Articles for Deletion decision, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sayed Noorullah Jalili, so that makes its creation much more difficult. If an article gets put directly into the main article space of the project, it will be deleted. The article and draft pages were protected because other versions kept being recreated. If I lifted the protection from main space as you request and you put an article on this part of the project, it would be immediately tagged for speedy deletion so that doesn't solve your problem.

The only way I know to overcome an AFD deletion decision is to submit a draft, which would be kept on your User page, to Articles for Creation to get their review and approval.

I don't want to pass your problem on to a different administrator, as you were sent to talk to me, but Draft:Sayed Noorullah Jalili page was protected by 331dot. But I don't think they'd be willing to lift the page protection as you are a very, very new editor. It's best to work on a draft in your User space and submit it to AFC. Or you could build up your experience working on different articles, the draft page protection is just for extended confirmed editors and you could get to that status if a few weeks if you did some regular editing, improving articles. This would also help improve your skills as an editor which would help you write a better article on Sayed Noorullah Jalili which is more likely to get approval from AFC. You could learn about important elements like notability and reliable sources which are crucial to editing on Misplaced Pages. Good luck! Liz 14:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Liz. I highly appreciate the feedback and advice. I will definitely consider your advice to build up my editorial status until I can edit past the protection whilst still improving my skills. Thank you very much once again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by COEUS1 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

About Jimmy Mozzarella.

I know it's obviously fake, it was meant to be that way as a fun little joke to get some readers to laugh, I don't mind my article being deleted, but I would like for it to live on in Misplaced Pages:Silly Things. I didn't mean any harm or bad faith. Just wanted to make a quick joke article, thanks and have a good day! Sodapoppers (talk) 06:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sodapoppers,

Readers expect Misplaced Pages articles to be based in reality, to not be fictitious, there are plenty of other websites or blogs where you can share humorous, fake content, but it's not suitable for Misplaced Pages. We have a little madness that happens here on April 1st but otherwise, "joke content" is not allowed.

If you have questions about editing on Misplaced Pages or its policies, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz 06:41, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Oyster Art Gallery

They're a confirmed globallyl ocked sock of the master. SANTADICAE🎅 19:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I reversed my untagging and it was eventually deleted. Liz 05:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

TFA protection (on the day after) - thanks

Albeit 24 hours too late? Anyways, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 05:44, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RandomCanadian,

What is the page? What is the standard protection given? Liz 05:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

BWV 227, which other one that was recently at TFA and that you protected? I was just subtly hinting that it maybe should have been protected the whole time it was at TFA (as predicting that it will suffer some vandalism, including some of the more egregious stuff which is now revdeled, doesn't require any expertise in predicting the future) and not the day after... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 05:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I didn't know it was a Featured Article, I just saw the vandalism. I think my edit summary even asks why all of this vandalism was happening today. It's definitely not a part of Misplaced Pages I keep track of. But the article should have been protected long before I stumbled upon it. Liz 05:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Zegarac

Hi! Would you be able to restore the dab page in the deleted history under the redirect Zegarac? The previously deleted Dave Zegarac has been restored, so now there are articles about two people with the name and a dab page is viable again. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 13:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Would you be able to restore Sarvar as well? Thank you! – Uanfala (talk) 14:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Uanfala

Good catch. Often when pages are restored via WP:REFUND, it can be a challenge to track down all of the removed mentions or deleted redirects. I restored Zegarac to its state before Dave Zegarac was deleted. I'm restoring Sarvar but I'm less certain about this page as the article Sarvar Abdullaev Sobitovich has not been restored. I removed this mention from the page but that can be added back if the article is restored. I was given a warning months ago about leaving mentions of deleted articles on other pages so I unlink them and remove them when I can. Liz 17:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! The link in the second line in Sarvar was red only because an IP had mangled it a few months previously . Dab pages don't have many watchers, so edits like this don't always get caught. Also, Mr. Sabitovich wasn't the only person with the name, there's one more, the search results can be helpful: . Anyway, I've started a discussion about G14 at Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Rethinking G14, and it involved a look at the deletions (correct and incorrect) in the past one month: both Sarvar and Zegarac count as incorrect. You can have a look if you're interested. – Uanfala (talk) 01:39, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Access to deleted content of Propaedeutic value of Esperanto

Hi! Would you be able to restore / provide me a copy of the contents of the recently deleted page Propaedeutic value of Esperanto, so I can rescue any sources / notable information and include it under Esperanto § Education? I was unaware of a deletion process happening to that page, and any systems that could have notified me about it are defunct :(. TucanHolmes (talk) 17:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, the actual page history might also be worth preserving. Since the deletion process simply expired, would undeleting the page and turning it into a redirect to Esperanto § Education be an option as well? TucanHolmes (talk) 17:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TucanHolmes,

A page deleted through Proposed Deletion can be restored if the deletion is contested which is how I interpreted your request so I have restored Propaedeutic value of Esperanto. It can always be tagged for an AFD deletion discussion but you now have access to its page history. If you want it to continue to exist on Misplaced Pages, you might spend some time addressing the reasons stated in the PROD deletion tag for why an editor thought the article should be deleted, improving the article will make it is less likely to be deleted again. Or, you could turn the page into a redirect which would preserve the page history. It's up to you. Thanks. Liz 17:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

It's now a redirect to Esperanto § Third-language acquisition. I will look over it in more detail soon, to see if anything can be salvaged. Thank you very much for your quick response! TucanHolmes (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

For a lightning-fast response to a user in distress with not a lot of time on their hands. TucanHolmes (talk) 18:13, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! It's been a long time since I had a falafel but now I am in the mood for one! Liz 18:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

LTA is again back

Please block this IP range ... This IP is again unknowingly remove entries from articles. See this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User:2402:3A80:1A46:12E1:707B:A77A:7C8A:6B32 117.226.146.124 (talk) 19:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 117.226.146.124,

I don't really do many range blocks and it looks like you and User:2402:3A80:1A46:12E1:707B:A77A:7C8A:6B32 might just have a content dispute. If you see a great deal of vandalism, it's best to report it at Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Liz 20:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, it's not a good idea for an unknown IP account to make identical requests on the talk pages of several administrators, it raises questions about who you might be. Liz 20:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: Ma'am currently I'vent any account and why the same things with this sock IP ???who's continueusly edits unknowingly and removing entries and casts, need to stop this IP.

Google Go

You have retargeted Google Go to the dab page which has Google Search#Smartphone apps as the primary topic. This is wrong currently. You would either have to fix the dab to have no primary, or retarget Google Go to the app target until someone fixes the dab. Or revert the close if you feel the dab page needs more discussion on the primary. Jay (talk) 03:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

I thought I correctly assessed the consensus of this discussion but I will revert my decision. Liz 03:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

It is only a technicality that the consensus (about the redirect) is different from the current state of the dab. About the dab, there was only one vote with an opinion, and it was a suggestion (I'd suggest it's not entirely clear cut that the app is the primary topic). If you agree with that vote, you may want to change the dab instead. Jay (talk) 03:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

No thanks, I reverted my closure. I'll let a different admin take a crack at it. Liz 03:52, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Winter Storm Delphine

Regarding the Winter Storm Delphine relisting, typically I do not relist a deletion nomination if there is no discussion, or there are only delete votes. I relist it when the nomination is opposed, or there is no vote, but only a comment expected to encourage more discussion. Trying to understand your thought process behind the relist. Jay (talk) 04:14, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Edits by this “Liz” at Misplaced Pages.

Who is this woman (other than someone seeking to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit) is be removing photos from a notable biography? She removed photos of singer Brian Evans, who was the opening act for all of the celebrities whose photos she removed. The relevance is without dispute, as was his entrance into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. That’s not notable? Seems this woman has an axe to grind but knowing how Evans has handled this kind of stuff from what I’ve seen online his lawyers will be all over it…again. And Liz: you don’t know what you are talking about. Every photo on Evans page…he was the opening act for right up until they died. 189.206.144.171 (talk) 05:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Brian,

They were unnecessary clutter. They didn't show any real relationship, millions of people get their photo taken with celebrities. I didn't realize you constantly policed your own article. Sigh. Liz 05:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Liz

First of all, as does “Hell in a Bucket,” I am not Brian. The photos of Brian Evans opening for the celebrities were not just photos of him with celebrities, but news sources articles that confirmed he opened for them all. Perhaps you should read those articles? Additionally, as you know, editors of Misplaced Pages are no longer immune to lawsuits, and there are some seriously inflammatory remarks you and editors are making stating assumption as fact. To state Evans is known “more for lawsuits than his career” while his music is literally on dozens of TV shows as of this writing is absurd. But…dig your legal grave if you please. 189.206.144.171 (talk) 05:49, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like a legal threat, a blockable offense. -- Valjean (talk) 05:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

And there comes the prior knowledge that seals the WP:BLOCKEVASION. Unbroken Chain (talk) 05:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Brian,

If you have an argument to make for keeping this article, then make in on the AFD page. Try to be persuasive. And not attack everyone who votes to "Delete". Berating me here will only get you blocked. Liz 05:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

In fairness, I removed it as block evasion. Unbroken Chain (talk) 05:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

First of all, I am not Brian, "Liz."

I have made the following statement on the AFD page and am pasting here for your own review and assessment:

The statements made by Hell In A Bucket and indeed someone named "Liz" are not worthy for deletion. With no evidence, statements are made about Evans as facts by these two editors. In fact, "Liz," who removed photos of Evans and all of the celebrities he has opened for, which is specifically sourced on the very page she claims is simply "Evans with Celebrities," is ludicrous. He was all of their opening act and it's sourced right there on the page. In addition to the well sourced news articles that substantiate why the photos were on Mr. Evans page, a simple Google search confirm this. I have personally reached out to Misplaced Pages regarding what I've seen today and I vote that this page not be deleted. It is my opinion that this is a personal issue with these two editors, and not factual based on Evans well established career, which is duly sourced throughout his page. For these two editors, who have provided no evidence that Mr. Evans has ever added information to his page, is suspect. They both make statements, not alleging or assuming, but stating as fact what they provide no evidence for. Additionally, and most outrageously, "Liz" makes the claim that Evans is more known for lawsuits, than the plethora of well sourced information on his page, including literally being added to The National Baseball Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, but this is an attack on this artist, and even myself, who has nothing to do with him and have edited other pages completely unrelated to him. Even I, as an editor, without any factual basis other than the vendetta of these two editors against this man, for whatever reason, certainly not based on anything factual, have even alleged that I am him. I would suggest that anyone reviewing this page really take a look at the years of effort of "Hell In A Bucket" and now more recently "Liz," who actually claims Evans, a member of The National Baseball Hall of Fame and who has recorded historic music videos that are well sourced as "more known for lawsuits," is very concerning. These editors have no right, and no basis, to make claims of fact when what they are really doing is alleging with no evidence to back it up. I have never seen anything like this as an editor, nor have I ever been accused of "sock puppet" activity until I decided, when editing Corey Haim's page, to work on this page, which is what Misplaced Pages requests. All anyone reviewing my vote on this need to do is Google the name of Brian Evans and his work with the legendary producer Narada Michael Walden, who produced the likes of Whitney Houston, and now is producing an artist for Evans. Evans also obtained 39 United States governor Proclamations for Sleep Apnea Awareness. As I said, I have reached out to five different sources that I know at Misplaced Pages to look at the activity of these two editors. Evans also has a verified Twitter page which displays all of the celebrities he has opened for, and those very celebrities following Mr. Evans personal Twitter account and in many cases even "Tweeting" about him. In one comment, "Liz," with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, responds to a comment made by, frankly, it could be anyone, as "Brian." I am also copy and pasting this entire comment to send to Misplaced Pages in the event that, as history has shown, anything positive about Mr. Evans is immediately removed so that, for example, the assessment by "Liz," who makes an absolutely astonishingly uneducated and unsubstantiated remark about this artist that he is "known more for lawsuits than his career" is simply shocking to me while his music is literally, as of this writing, on the show "BoJack Horseman," and numerous others on Netflix and others. For example, they don't claim "we think Mr. Evans did this or did that." Instead, they say that he is personally responsible for whatever it is they conjure up backed by no evidence to support those statements. I would suggest you look strongly at this, as I am having Misplaced Pages do, again, through multiple sources I know there and have in the past had direct contact with. Anyone looking at this page, the sources, or a simple Google search (not to mention the article citing Evans as one of the most relevant crooners of this generation in Grammy Magazine), will find that Mr. Evans has done more than many artists I've seen who have a page on Misplaced Pages. As an individual who lives in Mexico, I assure you that I am not Brian Evans. For these editors to make that claim, not as a claim but as a final judgment, is outrageous. Evans, the first artist ever to film a music video at The Bates Motel with comedian Carrot Top made history when he did so. Now, I normally would not say as much as I have here, and I certainly am not attempting to attack any Misplaced Pages editors the way these two editors have done to this man, but when I look at the statements that are meant to say that Evans simply "has pictures with celebrities" when the very Misplaced Pages page they are attempting to delete sources media that contradict her statement, and make allegations that he is "more known for lawsuits than his singing career" is beyond the pale. All one need do is look at the page, the sources, or search his name on Google or YouTube. The statement by "Liz" would be laughable if it was not so egregious. His work with William Shatner has garnered him millions of views on YouTube, the same work that got them both added to The National Baseball Hall of Fame and indeed the Baseball Almanac, all of which any of you can search on their very own websites. I've never seen this much attention brought to a single artist who on Amazon, has over a dozen albums and over 150 songs recorded. He has obviously also had legal issues which I don't dispute as they are also well sourced, but you do not see either of these editors deleting any of those, just the well sourced items that give Evans any credibility. Again, I have copied and pasted this entire statement and forwarded it to those I am in communication with, who know I am not associated with Mr. Evans personally, at Misplaced Pages for their review of what these two editors have done to Mr. Evans, and that is simply how I see it. How on Earth do you claim Mr. Evans is simply posting photos of himself with celebrities when the celebrities themselves are tweeting about him, and are by a simple Google search utilizing him as their opening act. Absolutely appalling behavior by these two Misplaced Pages editors. You cannot call it self-promotion if independent sources confirm what is being said. I have my own theories related to these editors intentions, and some may actually have to do with those lawsuits he was involved in. That's my opinion, those are big corporations that Evans has taken on so I would not doubt anything. The editor "Liz," in this particular matter is totally out of line. Just read what she says, then Google those very celebrities and who their opening act was: Brian Evans. Totally ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joan4505A (talk • contribs) 08:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

You mean like ] and ]? Or perhaps you are his cousin or his lawyer this time? Unbroken Chain (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

But, Joan4505A you say you live in Mexico and Brian Evans just Tweeted today a video from Mexico? You have to at least be consistent with your stories. If you are not him, you are related to him. Or President of his Mexican Fan Club, if he has one.

And I don't really know why you are attacking me, all I did was remove some unnecessary photos from the article, I didn't edit the rest of the content at all. The only claims I've made have been in talk page comments, besides the photos, I haven't added, removed or altered any other content on this article so I'm not sure why you see me as your Number 1 enemy. I definitely haven't done or said anything you could sue me over although lawsuits seem to be your thing. Liz 20:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Admin's Barnstar
		You always seem to be there whenever I CSD an article, and for that, I will give you this barnstar! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 08:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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Take a look at it now! Please see User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64 ... when you see an IPV6 address like that, blocking just one rather than the /64 is more often than not completely ineffective. In almost all cases (read at least 99.5% of them), blocking a /64 will do no harm and will not cause collateral damage. I also opened a relevant SPI. Graham87 15:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)