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| Heyo, I came across a few editors doing the same thing as each-other with similar names and when visiting their talk page I came across your message linking to this ]. Just a heads up two of the accounts that I can see are active again. This time with cycling Honors and refs. The users are ] and ]. ] (]) 10:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC) | Heyo, I came across a few editors doing the same thing as each-other with similar names and when visiting their talk page I came across your message linking to this ]. Just a heads up two of the accounts that I can see are active again. This time with cycling Honors and refs. The users are ] and ]. ] (]) 10:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC) | ||
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Response to your suggestion on my talk page
Hey man, I always ensure that I am logged in while editing, you can check the edit log & I have edited the article through my account.. Maybe its the issue where people share the IP address in question,I can assure you that I use my account to edit any article. I just have a single account named "Lord Elzai". Hope this sorts it out. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year in Advance!- LORD ELZAI
Sockpuppets on Buyeo and more
About Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Zessede, what is an editor supposed to do if new accounts and anonymous users keep making the same edits? I know you said to wait before continuing the investigation, but the page keeps being attacked in the meantime.
After Zessede, Accplc1213, and Aqww did it (as we discussed at the investigation page), this new anonymous user 220.95.101.209 just removed the references and material from Buyeo. The new ones from this week (Accplc1213, Aqww, 220.95.101.209) are ignoring the attempt to discuss this on Talk:Buyeo while continuing to push their Korean nationalist stance.
Am I supposed to keep moving the page back to its original version until this person get bored and stops? Several other editors were also undoing the new Korean nationalist accounts and anonymous users for the past year. I don't mean to sound frustrated, but there must be some other way than having to go back to check the newest account ignoring everyone else to remove the academic mainstream (Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, De Gruyter, Routledge, Taylor & Francis, Antiquity (journal), Asian Affairs, ...).
Thanks again for the help you have already given and any more advice that you might offer. MGetudiant (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- I guess Esiymbro just changed it back, so Buyeo is back to normal. But regard my question above as one on general procedure on how to handle the new accounts. Should I keep changing the page back to normal until there is enough evidence to restart the investigation? MGetudiant (talk) 02:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- @MGetudiant I'm semi-protected Buyeo which should give some relief. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for answering me so quickly. What exactly does that mean? MGetudiant (talk) 02:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- To more specifically answer your question, reverting makes sense (even if it does get old pretty quickly). Once my page protection expires (in a month), keep an eye on that page. If problems persist, asking at WP:RFPP to have the protection extended will probably be a faster way to get a response than at SPI, which tends to be pretty slow. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- @MGetudiant My apologies for speaking in techno-jargon. There's several different levels of protection that can be applied to a page. The lowest is what we call "semi-protection", which means to edit the page, a user need to have 10 or more edits and the account was created more than 4 days previously. If problems persist, there's stronger measures we can take, but we try to apply the lowest level of protection which will stop disruption. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think the protection did much because Aqww and Zessede can still edit war on the page. Can you take a look at the article again?
- After the protection, Aqww undid 3 other editors 6 times (isn't that edit warring?), while even using the same exact words as Zessede did: . Then Zessede returned to undo an editor and make the same edit as Aqww: . Then another new account Q1A1Z did the same: .
- Can I restore the page? Zessede/Aqww/Q1A1Z have not addressed any of the concerns on the talk page (Zessede and Q1A1Z did just comment on it, but without addressing anything substantial while still making their edits). MGetudiant (talk) 18:04, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- @MGetudiant Thanks for the note. There's been a lot more editing since I first look at this case, so I'll reopen it and take another look. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- @MGetudiant My apologies for speaking in techno-jargon. There's several different levels of protection that can be applied to a page. The lowest is what we call "semi-protection", which means to edit the page, a user need to have 10 or more edits and the account was created more than 4 days previously. If problems persist, there's stronger measures we can take, but we try to apply the lowest level of protection which will stop disruption. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.
- AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
- The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.
Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-08
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Asrtyon
You had warned Asrtyon for socking and with this edit he has proven that he is socking. He is not even replying your message here. I think indef block should be made on both accounts and the main account (Asrtyon) should be unblocked only if he promises to adhere to not just WP:SOCK but also WP:COMMUNICATE. Srijanx22 (talk) 07:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for your note. I've been keeping my eye on that one, but feel free to open a new SPI report if there's some significant change in activity. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure how SPI will help because checkuser was already done and there is no doubt if they are not same person. See their very recent activity here. Srijanx22 (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Tech News: 2022-09
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- When searching for edits by change tags, e.g. in page history or user contributions, there is now a dropdown list of possible tags. This was a request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey.
- Mentors using the Growth Mentor dashboard will now see newcomers assigned to them who have made at least one edit, up to 200 edits. Previously, all newcomers assigned to the mentor were visible on the dashboard, even ones without any edit or ones who made hundred of edits. Mentors can still change these values using the filters on their dashboard. Also, the last choice of filters will now be saved.
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Likely sockpuppets
Hi, regarding the Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Zdnf I strongly oppose your withholding of check user as this editor has a long history of using multiple sockpuppets so there is every chance there are unknown live sockpuppets and sleeper accounts. I would also request you discuss this checkuser request with other more experienced checkuser admins, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 23:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Atlantic306 Everything in the case is long stale; there's no data to compare to. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, so the ip data from 2017 is not available ? Atlantic306 (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Correct. Data is only kept in the CU system for 90 days, then it disappears. It is possible to manually preserve information for future reference beyond 90 days; if you see people talking about "notes in cuwiki", that's what they're talking about. But, in this case, no such notes exist. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, perhaps there should be a change to require all info to be kept permanently either automatically or manually. I'm pretty sure that some clerks are very scrupulous about keeping notes but unfortunately they weren't involved in the 2017 case, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm totally with you about wanting better preserving of data. The 90 day expiration window is due to WMF privacy policy, driven by legal requirements. The notes in cuwiki help, but they require CUs to manually upload the data, so it doesn't happen nearly as often as one might hope. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, perhaps there should be a change to require all info to be kept permanently either automatically or manually. I'm pretty sure that some clerks are very scrupulous about keeping notes but unfortunately they weren't involved in the 2017 case, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Correct. Data is only kept in the CU system for 90 days, then it disappears. It is possible to manually preserve information for future reference beyond 90 days; if you see people talking about "notes in cuwiki", that's what they're talking about. But, in this case, no such notes exist. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, so the ip data from 2017 is not available ? Atlantic306 (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).
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Guideline and policy news
- A RfC is open to change the wording of revision deletion criterion 1 to remove the sentence relating to non-infringing contributions.
- A RfC is open to discuss prohibiting draftification of articles over 90 days old.
Technical news
- The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at Misplaced Pages talk:Talk pages project. (T296645)
- Special:Nuke will now allow the selection of standard deletion reasons to be used when mass-deleting pages. This was a Community Wishlist Survey request from 2022. (T25020)
- The ability to undelete the talk page when undeleting a page using Special:Undelete or the API will be added soon. This change was requested in the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey. (T295389)
Arbitration
- Several unused discretionary sanctions and article probation remedies have been rescinded. This follows the community feedback from the 2021 Discretionary Sanctions review.
Miscellaneous
- The 2022 appointees for the Ombuds commission are Érico, Faendalimas, Galahad, Infinite0694, Mykola7, Olugold, Udehb and Zabe as regular members and Ameisenigel and JJMC89 as advisory members.
- Following the 2022 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: AntiCompositeNumber, BRPever, Hasley, TheresNoTime, and Vermont.
- The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey results have been published alongside the ranking of prioritized proposals.
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Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Jorg De Pelecijn
Heyo, I came across a few editors doing the same thing as each-other with similar names and when visiting their talk page I came across your message linking to this Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Jorg De Pelecijn. Just a heads up two of the accounts that I can see are active again. This time with cycling Honors and refs. The users are User:Jorg De Pelecijn and User:Dplcnjrg. Paulpat99 (talk) 10:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, I'll take a look. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)