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I can to the page looking to find out if this is one of the water soluble vitamins or one of the fat soluble ones. I would have thought that's a fairly basic and commonly needed piece of information since it affects how you take the in and how you should consume supliments. I couldn't find the information I was looking for, instead I got bogged down and confused by much more complicated chemistry. ] (]) 10:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC) | I can to the page looking to find out if this is one of the water soluble vitamins or one of the fat soluble ones. I would have thought that's a fairly basic and commonly needed piece of information since it affects how you take the in and how you should consume supliments. I couldn't find the information I was looking for, instead I got bogged down and confused by much more complicated chemistry. ] (]) 10:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
:"water-soluble" added to first sentenc of LEad. It was buried way down in the article. ] (]) 11:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC) | :"water-soluble" added to first sentenc of LEad. It was buried way down in the article. ] (]) 11:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC) | ||
== Treatment for exercise-induced bronchoconstriction == | |||
A shows positive results for using vitamin C to treat exercise-induced asthma. However, if I were to interpret this study in the way that the anti-fringe zealots want me to, the only statement this study could possibly back up is "there is no good evidence of vitamin C for treating exercise-induced asthma", given the wording in the conclusion. Of course, they would only apply this impossibly high standard of evidence when the study goes against the "approved conclusions" the anti-fringe cabal has selected. ] (]) 20:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Dispute over need for a reference
On 9 April 2021 a sentence was added by User:Magnovvig to the Food additives subsection: "It may be used as a flour treatment agent used in breadmaking." Two references were included. My opinion is that the second, from the Federation of Bakers, is sufficient, and that the first, a link to an article in the Independent titled "THE SHOCKING TRUTH" that is a lengthy screed against all bread ingredients not organic, containing a short mention about vitamin C being an ingredient, is not needed. I deleted the first reference. Magnovvig restored it. I hold by my opinion that the Independent ref is not needed to support the very simple factual sentence that is supported by the other reference. I would appreciate hearing from others on this dispute. David notMD (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Agree. The first reference is not needed: the second is sufficient. Jrfw51 (talk) 21:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- I had notified Magnovvig on 9 April. No reply. Deleted the ref again on 13 April. David notMD (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Citations needed
Cleared some citations needed. One remains in first paragraph of Chemistry. David notMD (talk) 06:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Historical anecdote about scurvy in Richard Dana's Two Years Before the Mast
There is a great historical anecdote about scurvy in Richard Dana's Two Years Before the Mast, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/Two_Years_Before_the_Mast, where the author recounts a crew member falling sick and the symptoms--poking his arms made an indentation in the flesh, which did not spring back, as it had lost its elasticity. The brig hails another ship seeking provisions, fresh potatoes and onions. The sick crew member made a mush out of the onions and rubbed it on his gums. He was up in the shrouds within a couple hours. Might be a good addition. FYI. Cheers.
- Feels a bit too obscure. Scurvy at sea is covered in the article in context of Lind's research, circa 1753. Dana's book is circa 1840. David notMD (talk) 01:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Other diseases - Covid
Umm, quackery...? Just a sprinkle of research on efficacy in Covid and lowering the mortality:
- https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.674681/full
- https://www.aging-us.com/article/202557/text
- https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00792-3
This article needs some serious updating.
- REPLY: Misplaced Pages guidelines do not accept individual clinical trials as evidence. See WP:MEDRS. Any content about treating (or preventing) COVID requires review refs, preferably meta-analysis. The three hyperlinks provided above are to three trials, one oral, two IV, with mixed results. In my opinion it is premature to make any mention of COVID in the article. See Vitamin D as an example of more evidence and heated dispute. David notMD (talk) 11:23, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- MORE: Supplementation with micronutrients, including vitamin C, has been suggested as part of the supportive management of COVID-19, as levels of vitamin C in serum and leukocytes are depleted in the acute stage of infection owing to increased metabolic demands. The use of high-dose intravenous vitamin C has been studied. According to ClinicalTrials.gov, there are 50 completed or ongoing clinical trials including vitamin C, which have completed or are recruiting people, hospitalized and severely ill with COVID‑19.
- There is a much more recent meta-analysis of RCT of Vitamin C in Covid-19 which should be included. This meets WP:MEDRS standards. Overall results are negative. Jrfw51 (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Content added to article, using the Rawat reference. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- There is a much more recent meta-analysis of RCT of Vitamin C in Covid-19 which should be included. This meets WP:MEDRS standards. Overall results are negative. Jrfw51 (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Abobaker A, Alzwi A, Alraied AH (December 2020). "Overview of the possible role of vitamin C in management of COVID-19". Pharmacological Reports. 72 (6): 1517–28. doi:10.1007/s43440-020-00176-1. PMC 7592143. PMID 33113146.
- "Search of: vitamin C | Recruiting, Completed Studies | COVID-19". clinicaltrials.gov. Retrieved 27 February 2021.
- Rawat D, Roy A, Maitra S, Gulati A, Khanna P, Baidya DK (October 2021). "Vitamin C and COVID-19 treatment: A systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials". Diabetes & Metabolic Syndrome. 15 (6): 102324. doi:10.1016/j.dsx.2021.102324. PMC 8552785. PMID 34739908.
Mistake in scheme describing ascorbate synthesis is mammals.
I removed the picture illustrating the synthesis of Ascorbic acid in mammals for the moment. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Vitamin_C_Biosynthesis_in_Vertebrates.svg)
As the article and the sources of that section state correctly the synthesis goes via Gulonate, not Gluconate, as the image showed. Unfortunately I do not have a correct scheme at hand at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha ScorpiiA (talk • contribs) 17:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
water soluble or fat soluble?
I can to the page looking to find out if this is one of the water soluble vitamins or one of the fat soluble ones. I would have thought that's a fairly basic and commonly needed piece of information since it affects how you take the in and how you should consume supliments. I couldn't find the information I was looking for, instead I got bogged down and confused by much more complicated chemistry. 209.93.48.118 (talk) 10:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- "water-soluble" added to first sentenc of LEad. It was buried way down in the article. David notMD (talk) 11:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Treatment for exercise-induced bronchoconstriction
A meta-analysis shows positive results for using vitamin C to treat exercise-induced asthma. However, if I were to interpret this study in the way that the anti-fringe zealots want me to, the only statement this study could possibly back up is "there is no good evidence of vitamin C for treating exercise-induced asthma", given the wording in the conclusion. Of course, they would only apply this impossibly high standard of evidence when the study goes against the "approved conclusions" the anti-fringe cabal has selected. MarshallKe (talk) 20:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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