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Discussion of Canada's official name Future TFA paragraph |
The official name of Canada is "The Dominion of Canada"
Though rarely used its the official title of the nation and should be represented as such on Misplaced Pages. Similar to how Australia is listed as "The commonwealth of Australia" though its commonly and usually referred to as just Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHeartVeronica (talk • contribs) 03:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- We have discussed this before. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
"We have discussed this before." Wow thanks for providing no input or an answer! So can we now discuss actually adding the Dominion of Canada to the info box title? IHeartVeronica
- To elaborate on the post above: we have discussed this before and arrived at a consensus against doing that. You can see some of the previous points made here in particular. If you have new arguments to put forward as to why this change should be made feel free to elaborate, ideally with reliable sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- @IHeartVeronica: I'm sorry. Yes, Talk:Canada/Officialname1, but the archives have dozens more. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- That was never the official name, although it was used in official documents. The British North America Act refers to "One Dominion under the Name of Canada." Compare this with the Constitution of Australia which refers to "a Federal Commonwealth under the name of the Commonwealth of Australia." TFD (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Canada hasn't been a dominion in decades. It's now a commonwealth realm. GoodDay (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Is the article not clear?Moxy-
15:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Upon Confederation in 1867, Canada was adopted as the legal name for the new country at the London Conference, and the word Dominion was conferred as the country's title. By the 1950s, the term Dominion of Canada was no longer used by the United Kingdom, which considered Canada a "Realm of the Commonwealth". The government of Louis St. Laurent ended the practice of using Dominion in the statutes of Canada in 1951.
In 1982, the passage of the Canada Act, bringing the Constitution of Canada fully under Canadian control, referred only to Canada, while later that year the name of the national holiday was changed from Dominion Day to Canada Day. The term Dominion was used to distinguish the federal government from the provinces, though after the Second World War the term federal had replaced dominion.
References
- O'Toole, Roger (2009). "Dominion of the Gods: Religious continuity and change in a Canadian context". In Hvithamar, Annika; Warburg, Margit; Jacobsen, Brian Arly (eds.). Holy Nations and Global Identities: Civil Religion, Nationalism, and Globalisation. Brill. p. 137. ISBN 978-90-04-17828-1.
- Morra, Irene (2016). The New Elizabethan Age: Culture, Society and National Identity after World War II. I.B.Tauris. p. 49. ISBN 978-0-85772-867-8.
- "November 8, 1951 (21st Parliament, 5th Session)". Canadian Hansard Dataset. Retrieved April 9, 2019.
- Bowden, J.W.J. (2015). "'Dominion': A Lament". The Dorchester Review. 5 (2): 58–64.
- Buckner, Philip, ed. (2008). Canada and the British Empire. Oxford University Press. pp. 37–40, 56–59, 114, 124–125. ISBN 978-0-19-927164-1.
- Courtney, John; Smith, David (2010). The Oxford Handbook of Canadian Politics. Oxford University Press. p. 114. ISBN 978-0-19-533535-4.
As stated at the start, Dominion of Canada should be included as the official name (perhaps just in parentheses). The widespread consensus is to simply refer to it as Canada (and plenty of sources were cited supporting that) but that consensus does not somehow justify the exclusion of information. The official name name of the Dominion of Canada was never repealed/officially overwritten by law. See for example the Encyclopedia of Canada. The purpose is to provide information and withholding it serves no reasonably defensible (in the spirit of Misplaced Pages) logical purpose. Max3218 (talk) 17:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I do not think you read the discussion correctly. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- As the discussion reveals, it was never the official name of the country. TFD (talk) 22:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the usage of Dominion of Canada, in the intro. GoodDay (talk) 23:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- As mentioned in the previous discussion, the Candaian government and Commonwealth stopped refering to itself as a Dominion after the Second World War. soulscanner (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Look, https://www.leg.bc.ca/dyl/Pages/1867-Dominion-of-Canada-Created-July-1.aspx this is the official legislative assembly of British Columbia, even they stated that the Dominion of Canada was the country's first formal name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magellan Fan (talk • contribs) 03:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- That source absolutely, positively does not say that. All it says is that the colonies were joined into one entity, which the statement itself refers to formulaically as the "Dominion of Canada". Largoplazo (talk) 03:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
I even have more proof that the Dominion of Canada is the rightful former formal name. This time by the Canadian Museum of History: https://www.historymuseum.ca/history-hall/birth-of-the-dominion/ User:Magellan Fan (talk) 19:34, 13 December 2021 (PST)
I come back with more proof by History this time: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/canadian-independence-day User:Magellan Fan (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2021 (PST)
- Best not look at overview type websites....stick with scholarly publications that go into depth and analyze the topic....like the ones in the article or at Dominion#From Dominions to Commonwealth realms.Moxy- 03:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- How many more "proofs" are you going to bring us that, themselves, use the styling "Dominion of Canada" in the course of relating the birth of the country, while saying nothing about that being its official name? It's like presenting a dozen sources all stating "Prime Minister Trudeau was born in 1971" as proof that his official name at birth was "Prime Minister Trudeau". Largoplazo (talk) 04:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Additions to the country infobox
There are a few items that could be added to the infobox which are seen on the pages for other countries. I previously added some of these myself, but the page was reverted with a message saying to discuss the content here first.
First would be the Great Seal of Canada. Official government insignia like this is also present on the pages of France, Japan, and the United States. It would seem appropriate to put it up for Canada as well.
Next would be chief justice of Canada being included. They take on the role of administrator of Canada when there is no governor general and lead the judiciary branch. I would say they are an important part of the government.
There could also be official languages recognized in the territories included. Regional languages are listed for many countries on Misplaced Pages like the United Kingdom and India. They would only need to be marked as being recognized on the territorial level.
Finally, the steps of independence from the United Kingdom could include the admission of British colonies into Confederation. Many other country pages include states they had united with in their independence or formation process. It would make sense to include British Columbia, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland for Canada. UAmtoj (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
- The Great Seal of Canada has been discussed ad nauseam in the past; it simply cannot be included here, because it falls under Crown copyright, which is not compatible with Misplaced Pages copyright as it does not permit reuse in commercial contexts.
- Listing the Chief Justice has been discussed in the past as well, and resulted in a consensus not to. In fact, the last discussion is still just further up this very page, and hasn't even been archived yet. Bearcat (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, my apologies on missing the post on the chief justice. What about the provincially recognized languages and the steps to independence? UAmtoj (talk) 23:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
- The purpose of info-boxes is to provide key information at a glance. If readers want detailed information, that's what the article is for. There is already excessive information. TFD (talk) 00:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding the Great Seal, while I do not really care about its inclusion, https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Great_Seal_of_Canada.png lists it as being in the public domain. Unbeatable101 (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, my apologies on missing the post on the chief justice. What about the provincially recognized languages and the steps to independence? UAmtoj (talk) 23:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
History section too long
The History section is too long and can be condensed. A few specific issues.soulscanner (talk) 17:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- We have a short history section compared to most.--Moxy- 18:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Leif Erikson's presence in Canada
Noted in edits that there is no direct evidence of Leif Erikson's presence in Canada. Moved cited references to Leif Erikson to L'Anse aux Meadows where speculation about his role is discussed in detail. There is too much speculative content around the presence of Vikings in Canada (Norse sagas, Inuit oral history, Newfoundland traditions) to include in this section to balance the subject properly.soulscanner (talk) 17:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Restored...as per previous talk....some you were involved with and per the sources removed....perhaps a review https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/leif-ericsson . You been trying to remove this for over a decade now.....whats really odd is this edit that implied he buld L'Anse aux Meadows. Stop guesswork pls. --Moxy- 18:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
The definition of Metis
Reference to Metis as 'mixed blood" is at best antiquated and at worst racist, relying on old, disproven ideas of race. Why is it relevant that Metis are "mixed blood" and not that the Inuit and First nations "pure blood"? The term also does not appear in the reference attached to the sentence. It should suffice to define Metis as decendants of local first Nations and European fur traders. Even this is which is not relevant, because many First Nations and Inuit people have "mixed ancestry" as well. Better yet, allow the wikilink to define the term as is done with First Nation and Inuit. All of these definitions are complex and cannot really be defined in one sentence. It will also save space. soulscanner (talk) 17:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- So common that books use the term Metis: Mixed Blood Stories.....but will change it to "mixed-descent" as per https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/metis .Moxy- 18:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2021
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Change the name "Canada" to the "Dominion of Canada" as the official name for Canada. BooklingWiki (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
- No - see above. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:01, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Native names of Canada in Infobox?
Should any indigenous names of Canada be used in the infobox under the official English/French name ("Canada"), especially under the "Native Name" template, as is the case with New Zealand with Maori, for example? I fully understand that there aren't any official languages of Canada besides French and English, but I feel as though it might be worthwhile to include some more common indigenous language names (e.g. "ᑳᓇᑖ" in Cree and "ᑲᓇᑕ" in Inuktitut), if only to provide representation to them. NipponGinko (talk) 20:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- No...Native Name does not mean indigenous names....it means " native language" like Federal Republic of Germany =Bundesrepublik Deutschland.--Moxy- 22:37, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- In addition to Maori being one of two official languages in NZ, the Maori had a name for the country before European settlement. Aboriginal Canadians had no conception of Canada as a country and all the aboriginal names are just Canada spelled using their individual alphabets. So I don't see a parallel. TFD (talk) 23:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Independence of Canada
might suggest adding Canada gained its independence from Britain in 1867 and France in 1763 Alanldn21 (talk) 03:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- The former isn't true (which is explained in the Early 20th century section: "the Statute of Westminster 1931 affirmed Canada's independence") and the latter follows from what's said in the second paragraph of the lead section. Largoplazo (talk) 03:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Asking when Canada became independent is like asking how long is a string. Independent in what? Able to independently modify its own Constitution? 1982. Independent citizenship? 1947. Independent foreign policy? Arguably 1939. Independent domestic control? 1867. Canada isn't the US, there is no "independence day". trackratte (talk) 14:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- For most former colonies, independance was achieved by the UK parliament giving up their right to legislate for them, at which point they received international recognition. In Canada's case, both of these occured long after the country was independent. But which date that occured is unclear. TFD (talk) 05:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2021
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I would like to change this anthem file for God Save the Queen (File:State Ceremonial Music - God Save the Queen.ogg) to be licensed as Open Government License. 49.150.116.127 (talk) 06:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The original file on Wikimedia Commons is already licensed as such. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 08:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Not done The suggested file is not actually licensed under OGL so is not suitable, here or anywhere. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2021
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50.255.107.29 (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC) pleasew
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Oldest settlement in Canada
@Dunutubble: Let me start the discussion. There is sourced content at St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador#The oldest European settlement in North America controversy that argues against your claim that St. John's is "the oldest settlement in Canadian history". The second problem is, even if it were true, you are inserting it between sourced content and its reference. It should be added after it. The third problem is the grammar. It would read better, if it were true, as "the oldest settlement in Canada"; history is unnecessary and a general rule for good prose is removing unnecessary words. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Walter Görlitz - I'm sorry. Dunutubble (talk) 22:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I see you offered to source the content, so please do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:38, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Start with entry level intro to topic here. If still confusion can supply academic publications.Moxy- 23:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- And that article is about North America while Dunutubble was claiming it was just in Canada, and the CBC article does not enter that discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Freedom Convoy 2022
I think the Freedom Convoy 2022 is relevant enough to include a mention of it in the paragraph aboout disruption due to the COVID pandemic. There are hundreds of sources in the article about the convoy itself. --CasuarioAlmeriense (talk) 23:16, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think Terry Fox has had a greater, lasting impact on the nation and its psyche, yet he is not mentioned. Why in the world would we ignore WP:RECENT to add a discussion about a convey fuelled with foreign cash to this article? I also see that you are a WP:SPA and your only concern, to date, has been the protest. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:43, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Too early to tell if this is actually a significant event, and since it doesn’t appear to be achieving anything it doesn’t appear it will be significant. It may change in the future but right now we’re not news. Canterbury Tail talk 02:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- The Freedom Convoy isn't relevant enough to Canada as a country to be included. User:Aem111607 19:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- It lacks weight considering how little the article discusses covid. TFD (talk) 20:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Coat of arms
Good evening, I wanted to propose to replace the current image of the coat of arms by a more modern one. This image is already used in some wikis. Coat of arms of Canada rendition.svg Thank you Cyygma (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- As per the description at commons:File:Coat of arms of Canada rendition.svg, the rendition is a good copy but very slightly different from the official version kept on the English Misplaced Pages, and that where fair use allows for it (such as this article), the official version should be used, not the unofficial rendition. Singularity42 (talk) 18:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- I understand that the visual effect is very slightly different on the compartment... But a coat of arms is defined by the blazon, so different visual translations can exist and be accepted. I believe that "A wreath of roses, thistles, shamrocks and lilies proper" fits very well to this part, and the rest is entirely identical. But it was a proposal...Cyygma (talk) 08:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- While a coat of arms has its heraldric definition, but as a visual representation, there is also an official version. In this case, the official version has a greater recognition. While you may have no concern about familiarity to readers, it is clear that other editors do. And so while commons:File:Coat of arms of Canada rendition.svg may be your preference, File:Coat of arms of Canada.svg is the preference of the project working on this article.
- For the reasons I have provided above, I suggest that, where possible, the uses of other coat be replaced with the official one. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- I understand that the visual effect is very slightly different on the compartment... But a coat of arms is defined by the blazon, so different visual translations can exist and be accepted. I believe that "A wreath of roses, thistles, shamrocks and lilies proper" fits very well to this part, and the rest is entirely identical. But it was a proposal...Cyygma (talk) 08:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Claim about Lower Mainland and Calgary-Edmonton Corridor population
This sentence: "An additional 30 percent live along the British Columbia Lower Mainland and the Calgary–Edmonton Corridor in Alberta." is untrue. It is true that about 30% of Canada lives in Western Canada, but only about 16% of Canadians live in the Lower Mainland and the Calgary-Edmonton corridor. 2001:569:7E7F:8000:A938:EF27:3B40:30AE (talk) 07:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Province and territory
Content trying to be added....
Each province and territory establishes elected local municipal governments. The powers assigned to these governments varies across the country. Most provinces have only a single tier of municipal governments, but Ontario and Quebec use a two-tier system where there exists both a town government and a county government. In the Maritimes, Quebec, and Alberta, all land is part of an urban or rural municipality, but the other provinces and territories have large areas of unincorporated land.
So i see a few problems with this....Although there is alots here it really is very gernerlized. Its not sourced (think easy to do). The content leads to no info by way of links. I think what is at the main article would be more info.--Moxy- 14:33, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Theoretically, provinces have a great deal of power relative to the federal government, with jurisdiction over many public goods such as health care, education, welfare, and intra-provincial transportation. They receive "transfer payments" from the federal government to pay for these, as well as exacting their own taxes. In practice, however, the federal government can use these transfer payments to influence these provincial areas.
References
- Mahler, Gregory S. (1987). New Dimensions of Canadian Federalism: Canada in a Comparative Perspective. Fairleigh Dickinson Univ Press. p. 86. ISBN 978-0-8386-3289-5. Retrieved November 22, 2015.
- ^ Peach, Ian (2007). Constructing Tomorrows Federalism: New Perspectives on Canadian Governance. Univ. of Manitoba Press. p. 52. ISBN 978-0-88755-315-8. Archived from the original on May 10, 2016. Retrieved November 22, 2015.
Overlinks
@Walter Görlitz: You're actually one of a handfull of editors I think are exceptional, which is why you left me scratching my head as to why you linked North America, the United Kingdom, the Pacific Ocean, the Arctic Ocean, the United Nations, NATO, and Federalism. I'm not sure reading these articles is particularly relevant to understanding the article Canada, and some of the links are listed as specific examples of what not to link at MOS:OL. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- My edit history shows I am very much in favour of respecting OVERLINK. I even remove links to Canadians on biography articles because of what I have discussed and seen discussed at that MoS. However, the guiding principles are whether reading the article you're about to link to would help someone understand the article you are linking from. Unless a term is particularly relevant to the context in the article, the following are usually not linked and what follows are the nations, etc. Articles about places have generally been considered valid articles to contain links to geographic content, and this certainly falls into that category.
- I would be be pleased to hear if we have let this go too far and if the following topic should be linked in this article or not.
- North America
- United Kingdom
- Pacific Ocean
- Arctic Ocean
- United Nations
- NATO
- Federalism
- I assume there are links to them in similar articles so comparison is not rationale, instead focus on where there is any benefit to readers to have the link. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
For the first time, Canada is the No. 1 overall country
Sea of Blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Canada&curid=5042916&diff=1083483944&oldid=1083476669 Typical WP:SEAOFBLUE no? Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- No need to link USA main article in this lead.....as it leads to ZERO info on this country. This editor is new and needs so help.....looking over a few edits .....lots of guess work. Moxy- 02:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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