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| :See ] and keep this kind of content out because we require medical experts who are related with the issue in order to say anything about mental or physical health of the subject. You can also take a look at these other related discussions on and for understanding what we exactly need before making such claims. ''']''' <sup>('']'')</sup> 17:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | :See ] and keep this kind of content out because we require medical experts who are related with the issue in order to say anything about mental or physical health of the subject. You can also take a look at these other related discussions on and for understanding what we exactly need before making such claims. ''']''' <sup>('']'')</sup> 17:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
| ::Then name experts who diagnosed Putin with cancer and name any source possessing official medical report. Can't you do this? Ok, in this case, the current version of the subsection "Health" is just gossip too. You don't really need to be doctor to realize that Putin has sick mindset, unlike to say something about his physical health. The removed content had more rights to exist than rumours about Putin's cancer and deer antler blood baths. ] (]) 18:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | ::Then name experts who diagnosed Putin with cancer and name any source possessing official medical report. Can't you do this? Ok, in this case, the current version of the subsection "Health" is just gossip too. You don't really need to be doctor to realize that Putin has sick mindset, unlike to say something about his physical health. The removed content had more rights to exist than rumours about Putin's cancer and deer antler blood baths. ] (]) 18:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
| By the way, the paragraph devoted to Putin's peadophilia (I got it out of the article ]) should be restored too. ] (]) 18:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
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I wanted to bring this source into the article, but that is protected.
- "Statement by Boris Yeltsin". 31 de diciembre de 1999.
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--Berposen (talk) 04:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- That URL seems to be walled off.Mavigogun (talk)
- "Statement by Boris Yeltsin". 31 de diciembre de 1999.
{{cite journal}}: Check date values in:|date=(help); Cite journal requires|journal=(help) Here is the file, although, me it does open the original for me. Best regards. Mavigogun --Berposen (talk) 16:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC) - Why do we need this source? Renat 17:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think it can be expanded slightly on the reasons why Yeltsin resigned, as it simply just says that "Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned" without context on this. But some secondary sources are needed. Mellk (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- "Statement by Boris Yeltsin". 31 de diciembre de 1999.
- That URL seems to be walled off.Mavigogun (talk)
restoring federal control of Chechnya?
This phrase seems Russocentric. Chechnya was invaded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvitray (talk • contribs) 15:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Chechen Republic of Ichkeria was an unrecognized state, therefore it was de jure part of Russia, and this wording is supported by RS. Mellk (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Fact in wrong section - 'Cult of Personality'
In the section 'Cult of Personality', there is a sentence about Putin's advisor, Mikhail Lesin, being killed. While the citation is apt for this sentence, the sentence itself doesn't pertain to this section of the article and I believe it needs to be moved to another section. Fones4jenke (talk) 22:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Vladimir Putin's health
Hello everyone!
I protest against the removing the subsection about Vladimir Putin's mental health, made by Aman.kumar.goel.
This user assumes that removed content violates WP:SYNTH and is based on poorly sources. Moreover, he wrote on my talk page the following text: "Note that I am talking about your poor edits to Vladimir Putin which are based on rumors and non-experts. To make claims about someone's medical health you need actual experts who can prove their credentials with regards to the claim they are making".
1. Current version of the article contains unproven claims related to Putin's physical health. Sources contain suspicions that Putin has cancer but there is no official confirmation of this fact. In other words, it is just rumours, but nobody cares about it.
In this case, what's wrong with the removed content about Putin's mental health?
The removed content didn't contain any allegation that Putin is mental patient. It contained the information about the facts that US intelligence, Boris Nemtsov and other people expressed their reasonable doubts about Putin's mental health. How is this any different from rumours about Putin's physical health?
2. As I said earlier, the removed content didn't contain any allegation that Putin is mental patient. So, there is no violation of WP:SYNTH, becase there's no a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source.
3. The removed content was sourced by CNN, Republic.ru and Kasparov.ru. CNN is reliable English-speaking source. Republic.ru and Kasparov.ru are reliable Russian-speaking sources especially when it comes to news about Russian events.
4. The removed content and sources are already used in other Misplaced Pages's articles, namely Boris Nemtsov, Russia under Vladimir Putin. Previously, it was used in the article Putinism from which it was removed by My very best wishes with note "his mental health is definitely important, but this is about Putin, not about Putinism".
5. We discussed a necessity for creation a subsection about Putin's mental health (Talk:Vladimir Putin/Archive 16, the section "Mention the speculation about his mental health").
In conclusion, I would like to state that the removing of the aforementioned content committed by Aman.kumar.goel is politically motivated action as well as his threats to block me. I believe this user just likes Putin, that is why he removed the mentions of doubts about Putin's mental health. K8M8S8 (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:BLPGOSSIP and keep this kind of content out because we require medical experts who are related with the issue in order to say anything about mental or physical health of the subject. You can also take a look at these other related discussions on Talk:Donald Trump and Talk:Joe Biden for understanding what we exactly need before making such claims. Aman Kumar Goel 17:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Then name experts who diagnosed Putin with cancer and name any source possessing official medical report. Can't you do this? Ok, in this case, the current version of the subsection "Health" is just gossip too. You don't really need to be doctor to realize that Putin has sick mindset, unlike to say something about his physical health. The removed content had more rights to exist than rumours about Putin's cancer and deer antler blood baths. K8M8S8 (talk) 18:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
By the way, the paragraph devoted to Putin's peadophilia (I got it out of the article Alexander Litvinenko) should be restored too. K8M8S8 (talk) 18:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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