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| Opening up by saying I do not believe this crime was racially motivated or a hate crime. I believe anyone insisting such is just a troll or hates black people, and wants to use this tragedy as an excuse because the victims were white. | |||
| However, given the ] had the names of a couple victims of this crash on his gun , I feel like we should look into reliable sources that report on (Not support) how this tragedy is being used by the alt-right to push the White Genocide/Black Terrorism narrative. Since it doesn't sound like it's going to stop any time soon. ] (]) 01:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Media Response to Attack Many media outlets faced widespread criticism regarding the incident for the way it had been characterized in headlines. Many felt as though most large media outlets were deferring blame from Brooks and on to the SUV with the way their headlines were phrased. This is significant because of the support these outlets had offered the Black Lives Matter movement during the race riots of 2020, because Brooks had been an active member of Black Lives Matter. His social media also indicated that he was involved in racially charged attacks against elderly white people in years prior, where young men of color would walk up to unsuspecting innocent elderly white people and punch them in the face, leaving them unconscious, prior to robbing them.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-waukesha-parade-attack-caused-by-suv
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/21/waukesha-parade-suv-crash/ 47.205.124.87 (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. casualdejekyll 17:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
This weren't racially motivated because whites were the targets. 88.106.234.104 (talk) 12:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, they are not called racist because no RS has said they were.Slatersteven (talk) 12:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
This Was Terrorism
Publish it truthfully. 2603:6000:A640:DA:414:308C:66AC:BD4B (talk) 23:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- You would need multiple reliable sources for us to label the incident as terrorism related. We only report what has been clearly stated elsewhere in reliable sources. If you can point to some we might consider a change depending on the source(s). -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:51, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Are we back to entertaining these instead of removing them as disruptive? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- "entertaining these" stop trying to take away from the fact that this was an anti-white terrorist attack. They're not disruptive. (Redacted) InfernoBubbless (talk) 11:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- We need RS saying it was, else it was not. 11:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- "entertaining these" stop trying to take away from the fact that this was an anti-white terrorist attack. They're not disruptive. (Redacted) InfernoBubbless (talk) 11:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Are we back to entertaining these instead of removing them as disruptive? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
All you need to do is reference Math Boi Fly's own social media pages to prove he is a Black Supremacist and this was revenge killing for the Rittenhouse verdict. His social media pages were full of "kill whitey" vitriol. It's all there for all to see. If Misplaced Pages had any integrity left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4800:3A10:FC4F:2B62:568F:24D5 (talk) 23:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please read wp:or, we need wp:rs to say it. Slatersteven (talk) 10:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well that presents a problem when the agenda of these "reliable" sources leads them not to mention the long, long history of vitriolic anti-white hatred despite it being a rather important part of the motivation of the attack. It's shocking that not a single part of this article even mentions the word "white". Why on earth wouldn't we use primary sources as sources for the articles? Why would we need to wait for some daddy's money online "journalist" to spin the story for clicks before we can reference it? Fredalot (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Because WP:5P and WP:V. Go read WP:TRUTH. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well that presents a problem when the agenda of these "reliable" sources leads them not to mention the long, long history of vitriolic anti-white hatred despite it being a rather important part of the motivation of the attack. It's shocking that not a single part of this article even mentions the word "white". Why on earth wouldn't we use primary sources as sources for the articles? Why would we need to wait for some daddy's money online "journalist" to spin the story for clicks before we can reference it? Fredalot (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Add in the Response Section the 2022 Buffalo Shooting
WP:NOTAFORUM If and until this is covered by RS, this is moot. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The Buffalo shooter had written the name of one of the victims on the AR-15 and then wrote "There's your Reparations." 2601:2C7:680:3C90:7019:BC26:1852:323 (talk) 00:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- NOt sure that is at all relevant. Slatersteven (talk) 10:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- It could be pretty darn relevant, given how hard some people tried to push the narrative that the man was a "black supremacist" (whatever that means), and the Waukesha "attack" was racially motivated. Fastr forward half a year and the culprit of the Buffalo shooting writes the name of one of the victims on his gun - something that was indeed covered by reliable sources. 46.97.170.50 (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- He praised Hitler, praised the Holocaust, posted about attacking whites on social media and called them savages. If this was a white dude doing this to blacks there would be no hesitation to recognize a racial motivation. Indeed, we see that with the Buffalo shooting. 2601:18D:8D80:A560:4C6D:9591:90A4:7663 (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Only is RS recognised it, they have not. Slatersteven (talk) 12:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- IP, your comment does not strike me as one made with the intention of improving the article. Reliable sources said nothing about what you claim about the SUV driver. But reliable sources HAVE pointed out indisputable facts that at least suggest the Buffalo shooter, a white supremacist, antisemite and neonazi, seems to be at least somewhat familiar with the kind of people who push this narrative about the Waukesha incident. 46.97.170.50 (talk) 13:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm well aware of "reliable sources" consistently choosing to omit certain information that goes against the narrative they want. Kind of like how this mass murder was being called a "Parade Crash" by the media. That was even the title of this article for a while. I'm also aware of activist editors using wikipedia rules to try to push a certain narrative. The co-founder of the website Larry Sanger has written on this pretty extensively.
- You're accusing people of trying to push a narrative while simultaneously referring to the Waukesha Attack as Waukesha "attack", as if it wasn't an attack. And you claim you don't know what the word "black supremacist" means...Do you know what "white supremacist" means?
- Also, like Slatersteven, I'm failing to see the relevance of the Buffalo incident to this. You claim it's relevant because of what you perceive to be narrative pushing by people claiming the Waukesha attack was racially motivated. How would a future unrelated event (the Buffalo shooting) retroactively affect whether or not Darrel Brooks's mass murder in Waukesha was racially motivated? Your logic doesn't follow. 2601:18D:8D80:A560:18E7:A991:8966:BAE2 (talk) 23:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- He praised Hitler, praised the Holocaust, posted about attacking whites on social media and called them savages. If this was a white dude doing this to blacks there would be no hesitation to recognize a racial motivation. Indeed, we see that with the Buffalo shooting. 2601:18D:8D80:A560:4C6D:9591:90A4:7663 (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- It could be pretty darn relevant, given how hard some people tried to push the narrative that the man was a "black supremacist" (whatever that means), and the Waukesha "attack" was racially motivated. Fastr forward half a year and the culprit of the Buffalo shooting writes the name of one of the victims on his gun - something that was indeed covered by reliable sources. 46.97.170.50 (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Previous discussion on possible racial bias motivation
- Talk:Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack/Archive_1#Distinguishing_features_about_Darrell_Brooks_Jr
- Talk:Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack/Archive_1#More_tedious_race_discussion
- Talk:Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack/Archive_3#Why_is_the_racial_motivation_being_censored?
- Talk:Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack/Archive_5#Adding racial motivations of attacker.
EvergreenFir (talk) 21:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
"Terrorism" narrative
Opening up by saying I do not believe this crime was racially motivated or a hate crime. I believe anyone insisting such is just a troll or hates black people, and wants to use this tragedy as an excuse because the victims were white.
However, given the 2022 Buffalo shooter had the names of a couple victims of this crash on his gun , I feel like we should look into reliable sources that report on (Not support) how this tragedy is being used by the alt-right to push the White Genocide/Black Terrorism narrative. Since it doesn't sound like it's going to stop any time soon. June Parker (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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