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Thanks for your rock star thoroughness and expert work

Thanks for your rock star thoroughness and expertise in reading and analyzing the large amount of discussion, analyzing it and in such a thorough close at Anti-Soviet resistance by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. As mentioned I had no opinion there and was just trying to help navigate. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @North8000! It literally would not have been possible to close that thread if it weren't for your persistent efforts to shepherd consensus, so thank you for doing that. Levivich 16:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Growth team

Hi Levivich! It's been awhile since we talked. I was wondering if you still remember the conversation we had two years ago about newbies ? I know you followed through with some of that to let me know about the Help button that conversation helped inspire. Anyways, I was wondering if you've heard of the new growth team features? If you're interested I think that you'd likely be great at it. Whenever I see you around you've always been so thoughful, so I guess what I'm trying to say is I think that people could probably benefit from your advice if you want to offer it. No pressure, though! Misplaced Pages is all about doing the things we enjoy, so if you're not interested, feel free to ignore me. Clovermoss (talk) 01:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me, Clovermoss! I'll definitely check it out. Hope all is going well! Levivich 14:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Things have been going better for me lately, yeah. I was dealing with stressful real life stuff but that's been getting better too. Thanks for thinking of me as well! Even if you ultimately don't decide to provide mentorship, I still thought you'd likely be interested in the changes the growth team has made for the newbie experience, especially considering the struggles you shared in that conversation. It's nice to know that people have tried to change things for the better. Clovermoss (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: *looks at ANI notice two threads below* So, uh, I'm not gonna sign up to be a mentor :-) I don't think being associated with me would give a new editor the best introduction to Misplaced Pages's editing experience. I can better contribute by writing help files and stuff. :-D But I wanted to say I do appreciate your encouragement and for letting me know about it because you're right, I am interested in it! So thanks again, Levivich 18:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

That's a completely understandable perspective. In case anyone tries to accuse you of canvassing, I will say that I technically already made a comment there before this reply. Also I have this page on my watchlist so I saw the ANI notice anyways. I'm going to avoid commenting further because the very limited experience I've had with ANI has convinced me that's not my forté and I really don't know enough about discretionary sanctions to say anything useful.

When all this dies down, regardless of how that happens, I was wondering if you know if there are any help pages dedicated to helping newer editors learn how wiki markup works? I was explaining some of the basics to someone the other day and I thought "if we have a million policy/guideline/essays, we should have something that explains how wikimarkup works". I haven't found anything yet, but it's possible I'm looking in the wrong spot. If there isn't anything, I was thinking of starting a userspace draft at User:Clovermoss/A guide to editing Misplaced Pages because there really should be something along those lines. If that userspace draft is created because there's a need for it, I'd value your input. Clovermoss (talk) 19:05, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Have you seen Help:Wikitext and Help:Introduction to editing with Wiki Markup (which is part of Help:Introduction)? Levivich 03:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. No, I haven't seen those pages. This is essentially what I was looking for. There's a lot of pages geared towards new editors so I guess it can difficult to sift through everything sometimes? I do feel slightly embarrassed I missed something that seems so obvious, though. Clovermoss (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Don't be embarrassed, we have a gajillion pages that's why it takes fifty thousand editors to keep track of them all. Anyway, I still think a "wikimarkup quick reference sheet" would be helpful to new (and experienced) users... some kind of "one-pager" that's shorter than Help:Wikitext but doesn't require the step-by-step tutorial of Help:Intro (though that step-by-step intro is a good introduction for new users, and Help:Wikitext serves a purpose as a comprehensive reference). Levivich 15:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Yep. And we're not a bureaucracy. Even though there's literally a bureaucrat user right. I've found that hilarious ever since I found about it. I do appreciate that you think that the idea could be useful, though. When I'm less busy I'll see if I can do anything about it. Clovermoss (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Yearly reminder

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You have shown interest in the Arab–Israeli conflict. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Misplaced Pages's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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nableezy - 15:39, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nableezy: Please don't give me a yearly reminder. This isn't a helpful practice. Levivich 16:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Given that you have in the past used the lack of a formal notification to wiggle out of a 1RR block, I think I will thank you very much. If you do not want a reminder you may feel free to include the awareness template on your talk page. You can include it in a hidden comment like I do so that it does not show but will still trigger the edit-filter so that anybody who does try to give you the required formal notification will see you have waived that requirement. If you do not waive that requirement however I will then need to make a yearly appearance here. nableezy - 16:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I have never used lack of awareness to wriggle out of a 1RR block. As you may recall, I did not argue lack of awareness, and I was actually blocked, a logged sanction, which you know because you were here arguing in favor of it. As such, you also know that I am now permanently aware of DS having been the subject of a logged sanction. Thus, these yearly reminders are unnecessary. I've asked you to stop leaving these unnecessary reminders. If you don't stop, I'll ask the community for help. Levivich 17:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Youre right, somebody else argued that for you, and the admin unblocked you, and you said you were withdrawing for a year in shame, and then did not. Feel free to ask for the community to help, but so long as these remain required administrative notices that need to be renewed yearly to remain effective and so long as you decline to note your awareness with one of the other methods Im pretty sure the community will give you a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. As far as I know, your sanction was rescinded, making it not a logged sanction, so you are not perpetually aware. See you next year. nableezy - 18:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

The sanction is logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration enforcement log/2020#Palestine-Israel articles. WP:AC/DS#aware.aware says ever been sanctioned within the area of conflict, it doesn't have to be logged. If you're going to wikilawyer this, do it right.

Aside from the fact that I'm perpetually aware because of the previous sanction, with the exception of a couple edits to City of David (historic) in January of this year, I haven't edited an article in this topic area since the Palestinian bantustans debacle in Feb 2021, well over a year ago. This bullshit right here is exactly why I don't edit in this topic area anymore.

It's bad enough that you came to my talk page two years ago and made 25 posts arguing for me to be sanctioned in a dispute that didn't involve you (see multiple threads in User talk:Levivich/Archive 2), but now you think you're going to come here every year and post a DS notice to make sure I'm aware, so that I can be blocked easier in the future? Even when I'm perpetually aware under the rules? Even when I don't edit in the topic area anymore? Hell no. That's harassment, and I'm not going to put up with it.

This isn't the first time you've come out of nowhere to bring negativity to my talk page, and not the first time I've called you out for it. You've got your wish: I stopped editing in the topic area long ago; now leave me alone before I change my mind. Find something better to do than bothering strangers on the internet. Levivich 21:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

What WP:AC/DS#aware.aware actually says is They have ever been sanctioned within the area of conflict (and at least one of such sanctions has not been successfully appealed). As your sanction was successfully appealed and lifted that does not apply. As far as the claim of harassment, well not the first time Ive laughed on the internet. As far as your threat, Ive never expressed such a wish, and I dont actually give a crap where you edit. I have seen you in the topic area (the CP deprecation RFC for example), so I notified you of the sanctions as is required to request sanctions. If you would like to actually show yourself aware and not be notified yearly then, again, you can add the {{Ds/aware}} template. It isnt that hard. And absent that, yes, I will be along every year so that when you again violate an arbitration decision the wikilawyers wont be able to deny or deflect away from that issue. Im going to ignore future messages unless they make bs claims of harassment (which incidentally is WP:ASPERSIONS, also a violation of an arbitration decision). Would very much like such bs claims to stop, and I can take my leave from this page until next year. nableezy - 21:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Stop making things up. I never appealed my sanction. It was lifted without my asking for it to be lifted, and it wasn't "successfully appealed" anyway because it was "un-lifted" per the DS log. If you come back here in a year to post a DS notice, I will almost certainly complain about it to some noticeboard. And let me make that easier for you: don't post here again. Congratulations on becoming the first person kicked off my talk page. Levivich 21:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

This isn't a warning. This is baiting and taunting. Buffs (talk) 22:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Nableezy, your initial "warning", whether benign or intended to irritate the user, irritated Levivich. You personally are under no obligation to provide such warnings. In fact, you went out of your way to needle him more when he asked you to stop. While you deleted it, you were keeping a (short) list of "wrongs" of Levivich and you tried to wikilawyer it away. This is WP:HOUNDing behavior and borders on legal harassment. I would advise you to just plain stop. Buffs (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I gotta say, User:Nableezy/LV is surprisingly short; I'm both creeped out and a little insulted. Levivich 00:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. nableezy - 17:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

ds/aware

I'm not sure how... lawful (for lack of a better term) it is, but the way I avoid the drawbacks of visibly (and prominently) placing {{ds/aware}} on my talk page is by using the following code: <div style="display:none;">{{ds/aware|ap|e-e|gg|a-a|blp|gc|ipa|kurd|ab}}</div>. I accompany it with a custom edit notice of course, though. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 05:04, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Lemonsnout: that's a neat hack, thanks for the heads up! It might be useful as a |hidden= switch for the template. There's something very Wikipedian about a "hidden awareness template". Levivich 15:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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